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crestind
05-11-2015, 03:20 AM
Discussing and deciphering the method originally posted here.
http://www.illuminated-alchemists.com/t4-the-glowing-white-philosophical-mercury




In this past summer of 2008, I received some letters from a man who used the alias "Sergio". His IP address traced to Monterrey, Mexico. He claimed to be part of a group of 12 who posses the stone, and they make it using a glowing fluorescent white Philosophical Mercury, which sublimes in sunlight.

He refused to answer anymore of my questions, and nobody I know has been able to figure it out, so I figure it's time to share this with everyone and see if anyone else can decode his cryptic letters.

Here is the photo he sent me of his small vial of mercury:



And here is a copy of the 1st letter he sent:
(Strange that he is supposed to be an accomplished alchemist that is part of an elite group, yet he didn't have the common sense to use a Spanish to English translator)

Email: Sergio Alejandro
The following text was sent to you on Tue May 2008 at 10:54
pm
through your website contact form:
Your stone or elixir isnīt the true one , and Iīm sure that you
canīt performance the real transmutation of poor or lower
metals in gold or silver , but listen i can tell you only the
ingredents to create the real stone , but I canīt tell you how
can make it , Isnīt personal but i havenīt the permission of El
or my brothers to tell how create it . Well my English isnīt good
but I believe that you can understood me . To create the Lapis
you need the following ingredients :

-Philosopherīs gold
-Calcined Arcanum Duplicatum (with coal)
-Destiled Water
-Butter of antimony
-Spiritus de vini
-Love , Faith and pacience.

You only need 1 crystal round flask to make the stone , the
correct order of heat , and the correct proyection of the stone
on pure gold (1 part of the stone to 4 of molten gold).Then
make the transmutation test 1 part of the stone can change
250 parts of lead , on pure gold,and 1000 parts of mercury on
pure gold . Listen you can change silver, copper or tin but in
less quantity (1-10 , 1-25 , 1-40).Iron CANNOT be transmuted
by any way to gold with the red stone or silver with the White
stone, first use the Venus Stone to change iron to copper and
then your prefered stone . The perfect stone can be finished on
1 day of hard work and 6 weeks of slow heat .

If the transmutation was sucessful completed now you can
make the elixir , take 1 part of the stone (without proyecting)
and 100 parts of Spiritus de vini,5 parts of Acetum destilatum ,
10 parts of honey or sugar (to sweet only)triturate the stone to
fine powder like refined sugar glass , put in 1 crystal flask and
mix the other ingredents , tap the flask and gently heat the
liqour for 14 weeks aprox. You see a liquid with the colour of
Red Wine and sweet smell and taste , if you born with the earth
element take 1 pint on saturday after winter solstice . If your
element is fire on sunday after equinox of spring . If you are
wind take ít on thursday after solstice of summer . And if you
are water , take it on friday after equinox of fall.

You fell some 'happiness' without explain after the drink , and
then when you are slepping open the door donīt look him to
the face and only answer to him with truly faith and love , and
he confers 1 gift select it with wisdom , only once time you can
stand infront him , if you try to open the door again you will die
without remedy . Solomoh chosen wisdom , I chosen other
gift .

To make the medicine take 1 drop of the elixir and 20 oz of
milk . put to rest all night and take the rose curd or 'cheese'
mix with 30 oz of vinager of red wine and put to ferment 3
weeks.

The terapeutic dosage is about 4-6 drops on male adults 4 on
female , and 1-3 on childrens . Only cure phisical diseases or
infections, blindness ,deafness , paraplegia , etc. But cannot
regenerete amputate members or deformations or born
syndromes(like Down).

Well , take care , I trust on you , Iīm sure that you can make
the stone with the right ingredients , because you are smart
and young use with wisdom and pray to god and he reveals him
secret on your mind.

The IP of the visitor was 201.172.226.73, the message was
sent at Tue May 2008 at 10:54 pm (GMT)


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Here is the copy of the 2nd letter he sent as a response to my questions. His response is the capitalized letters::

Greetings again Sergio,
I would first like to thank you for giving me your
instructions on how you and your brothers produce the
Stone, and the Elixir and Universal Medicine.

I think I have indeed figured out how to do it by your clues.
If I'm right, then your Philosopher's Gold is antimony or the
Star Regulus of antimony(NO) And your butter of antimony
is antimony trichloride, which is the Philosopher's Mercury
(NO BUT IS ONE KEY). If these 2 are joined together in
the proper proportions and heated in a quartz crystal flask for
6 weeks, it will go through the color changes and make the
Stone(NO , ONLY MAKE A KERMESSITE). The
antimony itself will be entirely transformed. But do I also
need to add the Philosopher's Salt which would be the
calcined potassium sulfide (Arcanum Duplicatum)(YES
AND NO) Or is that only used to titrate the Stone after it's
dissolved in distilled water?(YOU NEED THE WATER
TO SOLVE SOME INGREDIENTS AND THEN
SUBLIMATE AND MAKE THE AMALGAM OF THE
PHILOSOPHER GOLD (ISNīT ANTIMONY) , BUT
I GAVE YOU THE LONG SAFE PROCESS TO
PERFORM THE STONE , YOU ONLY NEED 1
FLASK (OR A EGG CRUCIBLE IF YOU HAVE THE
ELEMENTS PURE) , 3 ELEMENTS(FOUND ON
THE MINERAL KINGDOM) 2 OF THEM MAKE
THE LUNA AND THE OTHER IS THE SOL .2 OF
THEM ARE VERY CHEAP THE OTHER ONE IS A
PRECIOUS METAL . TWO OF THEM TAKE ITS
SHINING FROM THE MOON THE OTHER ONE
FROM THE SUN. TWO OF THEM HAVE THE
SOUL AND THE SPIRIT OF THE STONE , THE
OTHER ONE IS THE BODY , ONE IS A
DAUGTHER OF SATURN OTHER ONE IS A SON
AND THE OTHER ONE IS HIM GRANDSON ,
TWO OF THEM ARE VERY USEFUL ON THE
METALURGICAL OR MEDICAL INDUSTRY THE
OTHER ONE IS USED FOR WORLDS VANITY ,
TWO OF THEM ARE 1 WIFE AT LEAST , THE
OTHER ONE IS THE HUSBAND .

I'm grateful for your help. Just a few days before you sent me
this letter, I was told by my spirit guide that someone would
send me the process for the Stone, and that person is a
member of the only secret society that makes the true Stone.
(OK IF YOU THINK IT , YOU ARE LOST , ONLY 12
HAVE THE SECRET)

Hopefully you will respond to my letter, or else why did you
give me your email address?
If you can't answer my questions, I would still be interested
to know what other things you have to share, like what have
you achieved with the Stone? What healings? And what gifts
did you and your brothers receive from him when you
opened the door? I am very interested to know more.(WE
HAVE THE KEY , MAYBE YOU SEE IT BUT YOU
CANNOT KNOW IT , OPEN YOUR MIND AND
SEARCH THE STONE ON THE NATURE , USE
THE SUPERIOR LAWS ON THE INFERIOR ,
ONLY THE METALLIC KINGDOM GIVES YOU
THE KEY , IN A TREE SPROUT COWNS? , THE
ACETUM AND OTHER SUSTANCIES ARE ONLY
DANGEROUS CORROSIVES , OUR WATER ISNīT
TOXIC AND NOT CORRODES OUR HANDS , IS
METALLIC AND DENSE , BUT DOESNīT HAVE
METALIC LUSTER , IS WHITE LIKE SNOW BUT
FLUID LIKE COMMON MERCURY BUT LESS
DENSE , AND MORE DENSE THAN SILVER ,
ALWAYS ARE LIQUID AND SUBLIMES ON THE
SUNLIGHT , ON THE DARKNESS BRIGHT LIKE A
FLUORECENT WHITE BULB , AND BOILING AT
35-40 C , THE NATURE OF THIS WATER IS
UNCOMMON , IS A TREASURE) .


And here is Sergio's 3rd letter:

YOU ARE LOST ON MY WORDS , I RESPOND TO YOU WITH RESPECT AND
FRIENDSHIP , THIS IS MY LAST LETTER TO YOU BECAUSE I REVEAL ALL THE
PERFECTION ON THE PAST LETTER , REVEALING THAT THE LAPIS ARE MADE
IT FROM THE MARRIAGE OF 3 ELEMENTS ,DESCENDATS AND PARIENTS OF
SATURN , THE SISTER OF SATURN HAS A LOVE WITH OTHER SATURN SON ,
NAMED JUPITER , SHE IS THE MOTHER OF THE SUN AND THE MOON, JUPITER
HAVE ANOTHER CHILD WITH THE DAUGHTER OF AND ANCIENT ENEMY
DEFEATED AND CONDEMNEMNED TO STAND AT THE WESTERN OF THE EARTH
ON THE BEGGINING OF THE TIME , THIS CHILD HAVE A RELATION WITH HIS
GRANDMOTHER AND FROM THE PROHIBITED RELATION A DAUGHTER BORN ,
THIS BEAUTYFUL YOUNG GIRL WAS ACURSED BY JUPITER AND CONDEMNED
TO STAND ALONE FOREVER WITHOUT BODY , SHE HAS A WHITE PERFECT
SKIN AND SILVERY HAIR AND ARE SO BEAUTY , BUT SHEīS ONLY A CRATURE
WITHOUT BODY , SHEīS ONLY DUALITY OF SOUL-SPIRIT LIKE WATER , ONE
DAY SHE ATRACT THE SUN ATTENTION , HE FALLS IN LOVE WITH HER BUT HE
SEE THAN SHE DOESNīT HAVE BODY AND THEN HE TRIES TO STOP THE
CURSE ON SHE , BUT WHEN HE ARE CLOSEST TO HER THE CURSE ON HER
START TO DESTROY THE SUN BODY AND HIS BRIGHT AND START TO DIE IN
HER ARMS , SHE DOESNīT HAVE BODY YET , SHEīS ALONE BECAUSE HER
LOVER DIES FOR THE CURSE , SHE STARTS TO CRIES FOR THE SACRIFICE OF
HER KING THAT REDUCED TO DUST , AND THEN SHE GIVES HER SOUL AND
SPIRIT TO THE SUN ASHES , A STORM ARRIVES AND THE VIRGIN SOUL AND
SPIRIT COPULED WITH THE RED SUN ASHES , FOR 40 DAYS THE DARKNESS
FALL ON THE WORLD , BUT WITH A MIRACLE OF THE SOUL , AND SPIRIT OF
THE VIRGIN AND THE SUN BODY ASHES , THE RAINBOW START TO BRIGHT ,
AND IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS CHAOS A TREE STARTS TO GROWN-UP FROM
THE ASHES AND CARRIES A BOY BORN OF THE ASHES OF HIS FATHER AND
HIS VIRGIN MOTHER SPIRIT AND SOUL , HE RISE WITH ROYAL POWERS
MORE GREAT THAN ALL AND PERFORM MIRACLES IN THE WORLD .
IīLL NEVER USE LEAD OR URINE TO PERFORM THE MIRACLE OF THE LIFE ,
BUT I SEND YOU A PHOTO TO SEE MY MERCURY , THE REAL MERCURY AND
TRY TO IMITATE THEIR ROYAL APARIENCE AND CARACTERISTICS WITH
URINE , HE HE HE , WITH SUNLIGHT IS STARTS TO SUBLIME , THE SAME WITH
GENTLY HEAT , LOOK IT BRIGHTNESS LIKE A SMALL MOON , IS THE
PERFECT WHITE COLOR FROM THE PERFECT WHITE METAL , HEAVY LIKE LEAD
BUT WITHOUT LEAD , THIS IS OUR QUEEN THE PERFECT UNION OF THE MALE
AND FEMALE MERCURY , THE KEY OF THE STONE ...


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Thank you so very much Sergio for responding again. The photo indeed shows me that your words
are true and your white mercury does actually glow like a fluorescent bulb when in the shade or
dark! I hope with reading your words many times I will eventually understand your meaning. But
now that you mention jupiter and the moon, this means tin and silver are also now involved. It went
from being just the butter of antimony and philosophical gold, to being so many ingredients. I'm only
more confused now.

But why are you no longer going to communicate with me in more emails? I don't want to be pathetic
and beg for you to stay. You don't have to tell me anymore about your stone in the emails if
you don't think I deserve anymore help. Nobody has ever helped me with alchemy -- I had to figure
out everything myself. This is the only time a real alchemist has helped me, so I am eternally
grateful to you for the door you have opened. It is only a matter of time before I understand your
words. As you know, I'm very good at understanding alchemy writings. So if you know I'm going to
figure it out anyway, then why not help me more? I WILL GIVE YOU ONE KEY , FIND ONE
INGREDIENT ESENCIAL ON THE NITROGEN FAMILY I know you want me to work for it because
if you just told me exactly how to do it, then I might not appreciate it. But I just need to know what
temperature to heat the flask and how many elements go in the flask, and if they are wet or dry.THE
WET OR THE DRY ARE THE SAME WAY , BUT ONLY CHANGE THE CONTAINER (EGG FLASK
FOR WET , EGG CRUCIBLE FOR DRY) THE TEMPERATURE ARE SOFT LIKE HUMAN BODY AND
TRY TO NO PASS TO FEVER , ONLY ENOUGHT TO SUBLIME OUR MERCURY TO FORM A
CICLE LIKE OUROBOROS , ASCENDING AND DESCENDING ON CIRCLE.

I have so many questions about other things. Like why did you decide to help me if there are only 12
people with this Stone? TO SAFE YOU FROM DANGEROUS POISONS AND CORROSIVES Won't
they be angry if they find out you have helped me?NO WE TALK ABOUT THIS NEW
SITUATION And why did you send me a photo of the mercury but not the finished Stone? I ONLY
HAVE RED DUST IN RICE PAPER BAGS TO PERMORM TRANSMUTATIONS , THE DUST ARE
MAKED OF MY STONE AND I DONT A HAVE A PHOTO OF THE COMPLETE RUBY , BUT ON
JANUARY I MAKE ANOTHER WITH MY MERCURY AND I TAKE A VIDEO TO SHOW TO ALL
THE STUDENTS OF THIS ART THE TRUE NATURE OF OUR SCIENCE , AND TO DESTROY THE
FOOLISH FAITH ON ORMES OR COLLOIDAL SILVER AND GOLD , WICH ONLY PRODUCES
ARGIRYA AND MENTAL PAIN . And what gifts did the 12 ask for from God when they opened the
door?IīLL NEVER SAY IT And do you men help the world at all, or do you just remain quietly in
paradise and not care about the problems of mankind?WE ARE WAITING THE SIGN TO APEAR
FROM THE SHADOWS , AND REVEAL OUR REAL NAMES AND NOT OUR FALSE ID
(LIKE SERGIO)

Also do you know how to use the White Stone to make rain water rise up to the full moon?YOU
CONFUSE THE PROPERTY OF OUR WHITE UNICORNUS WITH COMMON SILVER IODIDE I've
seen an alchemist in my own neighborhood do this one night 11 years ago when I was only 16 and
didn't yet know about alchemy.

I hope your heart will make you desire to become my friend Sergio, and you don't stop
communication with me. If you aren't going to respond, then I'll see you soon anyway when I make
the White Stone which is rubbed on the temples before bedtime, and when I awaken I will know your
address and how to get to your house to visit you. It will be in my memory like it was always there.
That is but one of many wonders of the White Stone. Did you know the White Stone could do that, or
do you only focus on what the Red can do?LET ME ACLARE THIS FOR YOU , THE NITROGEN
FAMILY CARRIES THE SECRET OF THE PHISIC TRANSMUTATION , THESE ELEMENTS
HAS THE INCREIBLE ABILITY OF ALLOTROPISM , THE KEY TO CHANGE POISON TO
MEDICINE , BUT THE 3 LAST ELEMENTS ARE MORE POWERFUL AND STABLE , IF
YOU TRY TO MAKE THE WHITE STONE (ONLY IF YOU ARE VERY EXPERIMENTED) ,
ARSENIC MUST BE PREPARED WITH SOFIA TO TAKE AWAY THE POISON AND
CHANGE IT APARIENCE AND COLOR (ON THE PAST ARSENIC ARE MORE COMMON
THAN ANTIMONY OR BISMUTH ), IF YOU ARE IN THE RED PROCESS (ITīS MORE SAFE)
YOU WILL TAKE AWAY THE POISON OF THE BABYLONIAN DRAGON TO CHANGE IT
FORM AND COLOR , OR USE THE SAFEST AND NOBLE WHITE LEAD BUT IS MORE
SLOW TO CHANGE TO THE SECRET ALLOTROPE FROM . I GIVE YOU THE MOST
SACRED SECRET FROM THE STONE , AND YOU WILL SAY "OH I HAVE THE KEY" , BUT
ISNīT EASY CHANGE THE METALLOID ELEMENT TO ALLOTROPIC FORMS AND YOU
WILL NEED THE CORRECT ELEMENTS TO CHANGE THE METALLOIDS FORMS ,
HEHEHE , AND ARSENIC AND ANTIMONY HAS 4 ALLOTROPES BUT ONLY ONE IS THE
CORRECT THE OTHER 3 ARE VERY VERY POISONESS , BISMUTH ONLY HAS 3 ALL ARE
SAFE BUT ONLY ONE CARRIES THE POWER . THIS IS THE LAST LETTER THAN I
RESPOND TO YOU , TAKE CARE .

If you can't respond to me by emails, can I still send you the questions and then you can read them
and I will read your mind for the answers? WELL IF YOU TRY TO MAKE THE STONE FROM OTHER
WAY , YOU ONLY CANNOT READ MY MIND , YOU HAVE SERIOUS DIGESTIVE PROBLEMS ,
AND THE WHITE STONE DONīT HAVE THE MENTIONED ABILITY IS A MEDICINE WITH LOW
POWERS THAT THE RED ONE , ONLY HEALS SUPERFICIAL INJURIES AND SKIN
INFECTIONS , BUT IS MORE POWERFUL TO VEGETABLE KINGDOM , That will prove I deserve
to know the details of your process, right?

crestind
05-11-2015, 03:38 AM
The three ingredients to be mixed are

- Philosopher's Gold
- Haven't a clue. Mercury sublimate?

- Calcined Arcanum Duplicatum (With coal)
- I'm not 100% sure what this is, but according to Wiki it's potassium sulfate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcanum_duplicatum
https://books.google.com/books?id=te77Gx6BPbcC&pg=PA392&lpg=PA392&dq=%22arcanum+duplicatum%22&source=bl&ots=iTWw76lCwt&sig=BdBgXfv3LHHMpjdKedYzHlzpP4U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GCJQVf6aA4ShyQSkqYDoCg&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=%22arcanum%20duplicatum%22&f=false
Nitric acid alone does not have a "caput mortum", so imo this only makes sense if it was discussing the synthesis of nitric acid. One way to make it was heating potassium nitrate with ferrous sulfate
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/newton/reference/mineral.do
I suppose the products here would then be iron oxides and potassium sulfates. But potassium sulfate doesn't really "calcine". It just melts even at high temp. So here is where the coal presumably comes in. If you remember Glauber had an experiment to make "fixed nitre" which is just potassium carbonate. It's made by heating potassium nitrate with... charcoal! I've done the experiment before. You get potassium carbonate when you calcine nitre with charcoal. I presume the same will occur here. If we calcine potassium sulfate with coal, we get potassium carbonate, which is used frequently in alchemy...
http://www.google.com/patents/US3127237
This patent seems to back it up. Thoughts?

- Butter of Antimony
- This one I think we can deem 100% solved. It's a commonly recognized term for SbCl3.

The whole thing reminds me of a certain Mr. Ford and his letter to a certain "dear friend"...

We can also conclude with 99% certainty that endecee was a knob and a noob, but that's another story...

ghetto alchemist
05-11-2015, 06:10 AM
YOU ONLY NEED 1
FLASK (OR A EGG CRUCIBLE IF YOU HAVE THE
ELEMENTS PURE) , 3 ELEMENTS(FOUND ON
THE MINERAL KINGDOM) 2 OF THEM MAKE
THE LUNA AND THE OTHER IS THE SOL .2 OF
THEM ARE VERY CHEAP THE OTHER ONE IS A
PRECIOUS METAL . TWO OF THEM TAKE ITS
SHINING FROM THE MOON THE OTHER ONE
FROM THE SUN. TWO OF THEM HAVE THE
SOUL AND THE SPIRIT OF THE STONE , THE
OTHER ONE IS THE BODY , ONE IS A
DAUGTHER OF SATURN OTHER ONE IS A SON
AND THE OTHER ONE IS HIM GRANDSON ,
TWO OF THEM ARE VERY USEFUL ON THE
METALURGICAL OR MEDICAL INDUSTRY THE
OTHER ONE IS USED FOR WORLDS VANITY ,
TWO OF THEM ARE 1 WIFE AT LEAST , THE
OTHER ONE IS THE HUSBAND .

All of the above information and clues were given in order to name 3 substances....but I confess...I havent a clue.

I thought iron oxide is used for worlds vanity, but it isnīt a son, daughter or grandson of saturn, so I gave up trying.

True Initiate
05-29-2015, 08:47 PM
I think it is obvious that Gold is the Sol mentioned in the text. The other two are Lunary metals linked to the Saturn. Antimony and Bismuth come to mind but Thalium is also a candidate.

Awani
05-29-2015, 10:07 PM
Sergio is probably a pseudonym for *** himself... so in my humble opinion this is nothing but riddles that lead nowhere. Just sayin'...

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/74fd2149400e61d367b83b1cdb956a241d642f702ce8bd1dbd 2c446b8d90a801_zpsplbd1onj.jpg

:cool:

True Initiate
05-30-2015, 02:12 AM
Sergio was a spaniard and i had his msn address. His youtube channel is 7Deneb7Algeri7


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oirWtftDfJo

Illen A. Cluf
05-30-2015, 11:09 PM
Sergio was a spaniard and i had his msn address. His youtube channel is 7Deneb7Algeri7


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oirWtftDfJo

I agree with True Initiate. Sergio definitely was not ***. He was part of a south American Spanish group that did seem to know some very specific details of alchemy not generally known. They were testing ***, not only for his knowledge, but for his, shall we say, "attributes". He seemed to have more or less passed the general knowledge criteria, but miserably failed, not only the specific knowledge criteria, but also their "attribute" expectations.

Awani
05-31-2015, 02:23 AM
Still... I think their method and way of speaking is ridiculous and reminded me of ***. So I was right spiritually, not practically. ;)

:cool:

Illen A. Cluf
05-31-2015, 02:59 PM
Still... I think their method and way of speaking is ridiculous and reminded me of ***. So I was right spiritually, not practically. ;)

:cool:

Yes, the spiritual truth always far surpasses the practical truth. The Bible is a perfect example of a book(s) that make no sense at all from a practical or historical perspective. It is literally riddled with contradictions and historical impossibilities. Yet it does contain some allegorical spiritual truths - otherwise it would never have achieved the success it did. And again, Alchemy is also riddled with allegorical spiritual truths, although some may claim that it really does not contain any significant practical truths from a transmutation perspective.

As for the South American group, yes, their manner of speaking was rather childish. Perhaps some of that can be blamed on their difficulties with our language/customs. Nevertheless, some of what they said borders on some subtle, extremely important alchemical secrets not generally known. Odd - it seems that the childish are awarded secrets not often conveyed to the more serious. However, these secrets seem to relate more to the practical side of Alchemy rather than the spiritual.

Awani
05-31-2015, 03:09 PM
Odd - it seems that the childish are awarded secrets not often conveyed to the more serious. However, these secrets seem to relate more to the practical side of Alchemy rather than the spiritual.

The only secret they have is that they really don't have it.

:cool:

Dragonsblood
05-31-2015, 08:01 PM
Seems that at some stage of seeking one does get faced with an individual / group presenting specific info on alchemy that appear accurate (as a noob how would you know better?)
In my case the info was a teaser to joining a group (Austrian Rosicrucian in origin), their teachings / predictions were along the lines of awaiting another "cleanse" of civilization a la Atlantis, which I cannot abide. Will post the info here if of interest (?) as it somewhat contradicts what is claimed above - mostly on describing the stone & color changes in preperation..

alfr
05-31-2015, 09:38 PM
Hi Dragonsblood welcome i interested in hearing what they had to say on alchemy and stone etc abuot the Austrian Rosicrucian so welcome at the new SERIES info about the group of the Austrian Rosicrucian welcome

Seth-Ra
05-31-2015, 10:59 PM
Seems that at some stage of seeking one does get faced with an individual / group presenting specific info on alchemy that appear accurate (as a noob how would you know better?)
In my case the info was a teaser to joining a group (Austrian Rosicrucian in origin), their teachings / predictions were along the lines of awaiting another "cleanse" of civilization a la Atlantis, which I cannot abide. Will post the info here if of interest (?) as it somewhat contradicts what is claimed above - mostly on describing the stone & color changes in preperation..

I'd be interested in hearing what they had to say, if for no other reason than curiosity. :)




~Seth-Ra

True Initiate
06-01-2015, 12:56 AM
We can't get enough inside information from apocalyptic covens! Can't wait!

Dragonsblood
06-01-2015, 08:50 AM
We can't get enough inside information from apocalyptic covens! Can't wait!

Fine then but please don't shoot the messenger.. Also this is all I have from a handful of notes, the person who originated the info passed away some years ago so dead end in terms of further info even if of value. Notes presented as received - no interpretation.
BTW, found the movie Tomorrowland to be valuable in showing the mindset needed in dealing with advanced groups who are set in the Piscean paradigm of the world ending in flames and that "they" are the only chosen elect, that is so pre2012. Enjoy!

Philosopher's Stone = The product of the main work or magnum opus of alchemy; a heavy opaque oily deep red radio-active substance with a strong smell of violets. It is soft, combustible and spontaneously evaporates unless kept in a pure gold container.
Upon being burnt, it releases vast amounts of heat and other forms of radiant energy (mostly in the astral and mental spectrum).
It is the physical substance with the highest and most subtle vibrations of all known substances. It is found everywhere in nature in minute quantities and is the vivifying or animating principle of all life forms.
It is the original, prime or ancestral substance out of which all physical matter originated.
It is intelligent and subservient to the imagination of man. It can be used to transmute any form of physical matter into any other form of physical matter, depending on the will and/or imagination of higher beings, including man!

Many people believe that the alchemical process is one of spiritual transformation and that the three ingredients sulphur, mercury and salt are only symbols and that the
philosopher’s stone is just a symbol of spiritual refinement, personal transformation and self-purification.

These things are true, but side by side with these changes in an initiate, there is also the actual laboratory work that can be done in order to take e.g. actual sulphur, actual mercury
and actual salt and to place them into a retort and then to heat them up in an actual furnace.

The formula states clearly that unless the operator is pure of heart it will fail.
Hundreds of qualified chemists have repeated this simple formula without any success!
Also when provided with a sample of the Red Lion five different chemists analysing the same powder came back with five different analyses, usually dependent on their first assumption/impression.

What they do not understand and take into account is that the inner alchemy must first be done before the outer alchemy is attempted.
The inner alchemy is done in an alembic or retort, which is the human aura.

As all substances found on this planet or in fact on any planet is made up of substances that were originally made from the materia prima or the philosopher’s stone,
one can use any substance whatsoever to start with in order to prepare the philosopher’s stone.
Some substances can be converted by only a few alchemical steps or operations, while others might require dozens or even hundreds of steps.
The more noble the substances, the less steps will be required and the converse will be when one uses a crude or gross substance.
Whatever the method or original substances used, the operation will only succeed in the aura of a person that is pure of heart!

The colour changes in the aura indicates the level progression. (Visible in) the inner and outer alchemy are various colours e.g. the first red, the green, the
peacock’s tail, the yellow, the white, the orange and the second or ruby red. The product at each of these steps can be useful to some extent, e.g. the blue stone can be used to impart high vibrations by burning as incense.
When the ruby red is seen, the alchemical operation in the laboratory will convert the orange stone to ruby red - this is then the famous philosopher’s stone.

The philosopher’s stone can be made in different degrees of purity and can be graded by a simple ratio like 1:10 or 1:100.
An old alchemist in Austria built himself a hut high up in the Alps. There he practiced his art and by some hereto secret way produced a Red Lion so pure that it had a power of
projection of4,000:1 instead of the usual 2,000:1!

The Red Lion is radioactive, but in such a way that it is not harmful to humans. This radioactivity can be used with luminescing substances to produce an "eternal lamp" that can provide light for hundreds of years.

Kiorionis
06-01-2015, 12:25 PM
Kool /interesting info, thanks for being the messenger Dragons blood ;)

Illen A. Cluf
06-01-2015, 01:38 PM
Thanks Dragonsblood. Did they also include the formula itself? You mentioned that several hundreds of chemists had repeated the formula, that it was simple, and protects itself. Thus there can't be much secrecy to it since it will only work for those who have done the correct inner transformation.

Dragonsblood
06-01-2015, 02:17 PM
No other formula, all the info I have was given above (including "ingredients" which are clearly given - so no secrecy at all).
No comment from my side on what was presented - this is simply what was received in the way it was given.

Reason this was posted was to highlight that contacts can be made that can "wow" with apparent info, but if it feels wrong best to avoid than get caught up in spiritual elitism / hidden agendas / an individual or group that feeds on the energy of its members rather than simply receiving and transmitting Grace for all - you can't take gold with you and All Being One you can only outrun "the other" so far.

crestind
06-01-2015, 03:29 PM
Sergio was a spaniard and i had his msn address. His youtube channel is 7Deneb7Algeri7


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oirWtftDfJo
I've seen that guy's videos! Surprised to find he is Sergio.


I think it is obvious that Gold is the Sol mentioned in the text. The other two are Lunary metals linked to the Saturn. Antimony and Bismuth come to mind but Thalium is also a candidate.
It says "philosopher's" gold though? I assumed that meant it's not the "vulgar" variety? I initially thought it was some mercury compound, but mercury salt, potash and antimony don't really fulfill the vanity or dental requirements. Only Au or Ag would do so.

So if it's Au, Sb and potash, then it seems the "calcined arcanum duplicatum" may not be potash, as I'm not sure how potash could be used in the metallurgical or medical industry.


I agree with True Initiate. Sergio definitely was not ***. He was part of a south American Spanish group that did seem to know some very specific details of alchemy not generally known. They were testing ***, not only for his knowledge, but for his, shall we say, "attributes". He seemed to have more or less passed the general knowledge criteria, but miserably failed, not only the specific knowledge criteria, but also their "attribute" expectations.
*** actually passed the general knowledge criteria?


Interesting info indeed, Dragonsblood

Illen A. Cluf
06-01-2015, 04:47 PM
No other formula, all the info I have was given above (including "ingredients" which are clearly given - so no secrecy at all).
No comment from my side on what was presented - this is simply what was received in the way it was given.

Reason this was posted was to highlight that contacts can be made that can "wow" with apparent info, but if it feels wrong best to avoid than get caught up in spiritual elitism / hidden agendas / an individual or group that feeds on the energy of its members rather than simply receiving and transmitting Grace for all - you can't take gold with you and All Being One you can only outrun "the other" so far.

I agree - there are certainly far too many individuals and groups who feed on the energy or resources of the followers. This includes the many books and courses written by those who have only studied Alchemy for a few years. It seems like so many in the alchemical community want nothing more than to be admired and be considered an expert or "Master". Yet they can provide nothing of value, and in most cases tend to confuse rather than provide elucidation. "Grace" is the real Philosophers Stone, in my opinion. One of the most difficult but rewarding attributes that can be achieved.

Illen A. Cluf
06-01-2015, 04:48 PM
*** actually passed the general knowledge criteria?



I think that most people who have studied alchemy for more than a few years would pass that criteria :-)

Kiorionis
06-01-2015, 08:19 PM
"Grace" is the real Philosophers Stone, in my opinion. One of the most difficult but rewarding attributes that can be achieved.

Well said!

Ghislain
06-02-2015, 06:28 AM
I think that most people who have studied alchemy for more than a few years would pass that criteria :-)

Can you get the test online...I'd love to give it a go; don't think I would pass though :(

Ghislain

Illen A. Cluf
06-02-2015, 02:30 PM
Can you get the test online...I'd love to give it a go; don't think I would pass though :(

Ghislain

I don't really know what specific criteria they used to respond to ***. I just know that they singled him out and responded directly to him by email. Through his comments and correspondence it is evident that they chose him for certain reasons relating to his understanding of Alchemy and intelligence. For example, they wrote: " Iīm sure that you can make the stone with the right ingredients , because you are smart and young use with wisdom and pray to god and he reveals him secret on your mind." At the time, *** was very involved with certain treatises from the RAMS collection, particularly the Leyden Manuscript. Perhaps his interest and understanding of those texts is what triggered their interest. However, this level of understanding is open to anyone who has studied alchemy for some time.

abdo
06-20-2015, 11:09 PM
Hint may help making the shining antimony:
potassium/sodium sulfate with coal dust was used by Glauber to produce shining gold.