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Awani
06-12-2015, 11:41 PM
Passing through the Gates of Paradox Androgynus ™ 2015 (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4368-Infinite-or-Finite&p=37946#post37946).
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This is a spin-off from another thread (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4368-Infinite-or-Finite).


An end is possible if one wants the illusion of the finite in the illusionary reality of the infinite. Regardless, when the/an end is reached more space/time is rendered and amnesia is added or removed (depending on what effect is required).


In other words there is neither finite or infinite, only the illusion of either one and if the "I" wants finite amnesia or blindness might occur, whereas if the "I" wants infinite then behold the rendering of new space/time...


Of course 'I' very much lack the experience of passing through the Gates of Paradox and 'moving' between the Knowable and the UN-Knowable... Which is in itself a topic that fascinates me...

I would like to go into this topic some more.

What realm lies between the is and the is not?

What state of mind/being is encountered when in the state between not knowing anything and knowing everything?

Such a place cannot be a realm (and can be), and cannot be a state of mind (and can be). Words don't do it justice but we need words to discuss this.


Allegorically is it Limbo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo)?


...the temporary state of those who, despite the sins they may have committed, died in the friendship of God but could not enter Heaven until redemption by Jesus Christ made it possible. - source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo#Limbo_of_the_Patriarchs)


The Zoroastrian concept of hamistagan is similar to limbo. Hamistagan is a neutral state in which a soul that was neither good nor evil awaits Judgment Day. - source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo#In_other_denominations_and_religions)

If we ignore the theological concepts and look at the known as Hell and the unknowable as Heaven then it goes:


Limbo is... the temporary state of those who arein the friendship with the unknowable but could not enter the knowable until redemption.

Limbo is a neutral state in which a soul/spirit that was neither aware nor unaware awaits the conclusion.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/Panel-25_zpsj2drt8o5.png

The reason I connect the "realm" one would encounter passing through the Gates of Paradox as a hellish world (like Limbo) is due to personal experience.

I have been in a state of complete knowing, as well as in a state of complete ignorance. When finding myself between these states... going from knowing to not knowing is a horrible state to be in. But as with all paradoxes it is also not, because how can you be aware of how you feel when you are not aware that you exist at all?

Maybe if one can be aware passing through the Gates of Paradox one could begin to manipulate the known/unknown? Kind of like entering the terminal of a computer?

I am having trouble really speaking about any of this as words are a major obstacle, but maybe others in the forum can do better.

I finish this post with a kick-ass photo I just discovered while googling about this stuff (of which there is little to find).

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/meditation%20spirituality%20dimensions%20lotus%20s acred%20geometry_zpso91jltlm.jpg

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Another paradox discussion thread: paradox power (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3797-Paradox-Power)

Awani
06-13-2015, 01:30 PM
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/The-Pinnochio-Paradox_zpso8o0u95v.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/comic-2-mirror_paradox_zpsxrd8jcmw.png

Having slept on this I realize that the reason it is difficult to talk about is due to the fact that any paradox is very hard to grasp properly. Even if the paradox drives the universe there must be a place, a corridor, between the two sides of the paradox. When passing through the Gates of the Paradox you enter a place that has no paradoxes at all. This is the place I called limbo... but perhaps it is heaven?

It is the Exit?

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/image.php_zpsnayyia1z.jpeg

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Andro
06-13-2015, 03:40 PM
I'm wondering if it was something specific that brought this 'conundrum' to the forefront all of a sudden... or if it was it always laying there, unspoken of...

Awani
06-13-2015, 10:58 PM
I think it was unspoken... beneath the surface for some time...

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Kiorionis
06-14-2015, 02:26 AM
I wouldn't call the Gates of Paradox heaven, because 'heaven' implies 'hell'.

I currently see the gates (if I understand the concept correctly) as a place of 'looking back and forth without knowing either'

Awani
06-17-2015, 02:39 PM
I wouldn't call the Gates of Paradox heaven, because 'heaven' implies 'hell'.

Maybe not. Maybe Heaven and Hell is the same thing? It is relative to the person experiencing it.


(if I understand the concept correctly)

Yes if, goes for me as well... ;)

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