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Awani
10-29-2015, 01:42 AM
Recently I compared Islamic art to the art of the Shipibo to claim that the Prophet Muhammad (probably) dropped acid... (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4529-Islam-amp-Psychedelics)

Now I want to take this further.

It is very interesting to see how similar these typical examples of art are... even though they are vast distances both in time and space between them.

And it can be argued it is coincidence, but anyone that has been in the psychedelic realm can see that these patterns have not been created out of nothing, for no reason. ;)

Pygmy - Africa - Indigenous
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/mbuti01_zpsttjskdsb.jpg

Aboriginal - Australia - Indigenous
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/19b57167059e7d812abd6d9c90a32ad31_zpsij8yv0fw.jpg

Shipibo - Amazon - Indigenous
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/shipebo1_zpsqbyvulci.jpg

Islamic - Middle East
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/islamic%20art_zpstgqirkru.jpg

Greece - Modern Man... the heirs of the Eleusinian Mysteries (Eleusinian Mysteries alchemy forums)
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/greek_patterns_4_by_patterns_stock_zps5mfqleo9.jpg

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zoas23
10-29-2015, 11:01 AM
As a the lover of Abstract Art that I am, I have many books on the subject, but the most interesting of them is "El Espíritu Abstracto" by Juan Eduardo Cirlot ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Eduardo_Cirlot ). An excellent author from Spain, also the creator of one of the best dictionaries of alchemy & symbolism.

His passions were classical & contemporary art, music and hermeticism.

Sadly his works are only available in Spanish (as far as I know).

The book "El Espíritu Abstracto" (The Abstract Spirit) is great, because I expected a book about Mondrian, Malevitch, Kandinsky, etc...

But he doesn't even talk about the XX century there (on purpose)... and ONLY investigates "Abstract Art" in ancient cultures, giving explanations of the meanings of the abstract designs which can be found in objects just like ancient pottery or images like the ones you posted. He does not get into the "drugs" issue, but gets into the "images with meaning vs decorative meaningless images" debate, strongly supporting the "images with meaning" thesis.

P.S. I found that his Dictionary of Symbols has been translated to English:
http://www.amazon.com/A-Dictionary-Symbols-J-E-Cirlot/dp/0203326180/ref=pd_sim_sbs_14_3?ie=UTF8&dpID=51DTURzN%2BPL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR120%2C160_&refRID=1B1YV0HGSZ879Z3ATKT4

It's truly worthy to have it!!!!!

Awani
10-29-2015, 01:33 PM
Are you a shill for Amazon?

This is the second book I am buying this week. You are going to ruin me. ;)

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zoas23
10-29-2015, 02:32 PM
Are you a shill for Amazon?

This is the second book I am buying this week. You are going to ruin me. ;)

:cool:

VERY off topic:

LOL... my city is known for being the city with more bookstores per capita in the whole planet. For some reason we never developed the tendency of buying books online and we buy them at "physical" bookstores (95% of my books came from bookstores... even a lot "hard to find" alchemy classics).

But when I write here, amazon is the only online shop for books I know (I purchased books from amazon some 3 or 4 times... and I have something like 5,000 books).

Eduardo Cirlot is the "father" of the Cirlot family. They own a FANTASTIC publishing house in Spain (Siruela) that is specialized in Medieval literature, classical alchemy, mystical art and visionaries.
Most of the "Cirlots" (the sons and daughters of Eduardo) are writers too... all of them specialized in the genre of essays, with a style that is quite similar to Frances Yates or Culianu... and quite often they write about alchemy (in most cases from a historical point of view, never "alchemy manuals") or visionaries (i.e, Lourdes Cirlos, the daughter of Eduardo, is probably the leading authority in the world about the works by Hildegard von Bingen)

Sadly most of their works only exist in Spanish (because they focus on their own editorial house, Siruela).

If you speak German, this other book is also AMAZING:
http://www.amazon.com/Alchemie-Lexikon-hermetischen-Wissenschaft-German/dp/3406441068/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1446127128&sr=8-3-fkmr0&keywords=Claus+Priesner+alchemy
(I have the Spanish edition, it is surprising that there isn't an English edition!!)

A great "Dictionary" of alchemy with very good explanations of everything and, specially, a LARGE index of classical texts that comment the subject described in each entry.

And if you speak French, this book is AMAZING too:
http://www.amazon.com/Alchimie-Etude-LIconographie-Hermetique-Influences/dp/B00OF2YAPU/ref=la_B00OINC7O2_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1446127742&sr=1-1
(It seems it only got published in French and Spanish, I didn't find it in other languages).
Lennep is a neo-dada artist who wrote probably the most complete and interesting essay on alchemical iconography that was used both in classical and avant-garde art... this is truly one of the best books I've read in my life (It sounds like Canseliet, I know, but it's completely different... the focus of Lennep is to investigate in an extensive way all the painters who used alchemical symbols and explain what they mean, rather than trying to show how a specific work of art shows the "secrets" of the process of a specific path -I love Canseliet, but Lennep is extraordinary)

He has a web here: http://www.lennep.be/Lennep/ACCUEIL.html (it is in French, but it is mostly visual and ONLY focused in his neo-dada art, not in his literature. When he creates art he's playful and "dadaistic", but when he writes, he's an extraordinary academic with a vast knowledge on the history of alchemy and the history of art... whilst his art is certainly "tongue-in-cheek", his book isn't).

A short performance by him, eating the Nigredo, the Albedo and the Rubedo in a "humorous" way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjUXGJDB52E

Awani
10-31-2015, 12:21 AM
Cool. Thanks. I'll look into it. I am really in need of brushing up my Spanish and get it up to fluent level.

Think I've posted this before somewhere but it goes with the topic of this thread...

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/677275879-tassalli_shroom_shaman1_zps4vgbdpvx.gif
Rock carving found in Algeria, dating from 5000 B.C.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/clip_image002-2_zpsmgg4qdq7.jpg

http://www.mushroomstone.com

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zoas23
10-31-2015, 01:47 AM
The ONAS... the original inhabitants of my country. Sadly killed by the European colonization (not a racist comment about Europeans... I would be part of that "European colonization" actually, since I am not related to the original inhabitants).

For a long time the policy was to murder them and pay money to their murderers (horrible fact: the government in the late XIX century payed money to the persons who showed up in an office with a pair of ears cut from one of them... it was the way to "comprobate" that they have killed one... an the government gave them money for each "pair of ears").

And then when this atrocity finished, they "culturized" them and forced them to wear clothes instead of their traditional system of protection, which consisted of wearing animal fat on their bodies painted with geometric patterns and absolutely no fabric at all. They lived in a very cold and rainy zone... so when they were forced to wear clothes, the weather killed them (simply because they were always wearing wet clothes in this cold weather).

Some old images of how they looked like were thankfully preserved, sadly this culture is 100% lost.

The Onas (also known as "Selknam") of the South of Argentina... they were really living art!!!!

http://static.batanga.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/curiosidades.batanga.com/files/Por-que-las-onas-se-pintaban-los-cuerpos-3.jpg

https://dioramaetnico.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/onas.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f5/8d/cd/f58dcdc741ef9f7faee952e67595db03.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/07/4a/3e/074a3e0ee7d19e39b8dd69feeaa22a36.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pjhXY2Bumvs/SisGbroszHI/AAAAAAAAAi0/GW2oDn-LHI4/s400/Onas+-+Tierra+Del+Fuego+rcd+Jun07%2301.JPG

http://www.temakel.net/fotoahainl.jpg

Awani
10-31-2015, 01:52 AM
Cool. Interesting. That body paint pattern is very similar to the Bwiti of Gabon (that use Iboga).

All indigenous people have, sadly, suffered similar fates as the Onas.

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zoas23
10-31-2015, 03:45 AM
Are you familiar with the Dream Machine, Dev?

If you don't know what I am talking about...

Long explanation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJFgNMVePaQ

A shorter video of a random person using one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE0E0ZCInSw

I thankfully own one since 1998... it's still alive and kicking and it's one of my dearest possessions.
It is simply a spinning tube with "holes" that has to be watched with closed eyes.
A dream machine will produce in any person the vision of geometrical patterns that look VERY similar to the ones that you published in your first post here.
It also puts the mind in a dream-like state, though without somnolency.

Some interesting facts of the Dream Machine:
-It gives a 360º vision of these patterns... this is hard to explain, but you will see some of the patterns "behind your back" (or, your brain will locate them behind your back, but you will still see them as clearly as the ones you see in front of you).
-It may seem like some curious "optical illusion", but it's definitely not. The patterns are 100% symbiotic with MUSIC... even if the device will always spin at the same speed, the patterns will flicker following the "tempo" of the music you are listening too, whilst it is also true that different types of music will produce incredibly different types of patterns.
-The machine will automatically take you to an abstract realm of complex patterns, whilst the mind will start thinking in a very interesting way about these "abstractions".

Awani
10-31-2015, 11:49 PM
Cool, have to try one...

:cool:

zoas23
11-01-2015, 05:14 AM
Cool, have to try one...

:cool:

If you have a "modern" cell phone, you can download any free app that uses the flash as a strobe light... watch the movies and try to emulate the speed of the strobe... The effect is not identical, but it's VERY close (and probably easier than creating a DM if you aren't quite sure if you'll like them).

If you do:
http://www.permuted.org.uk/dmplan.htm

(they are easy and cheap to build... but with the flash of the cell phone and a strobe app you can "emulate" it and get quite close to the same thing). Just put it in front of your face and close your eyes.

There's also "internet versions" that do it with the screen of the computer, but they are 100% unworthy due to the lack of a strong light.