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Awani
01-25-2016, 06:45 PM
DISCLAIMER: we don't recommend anyone doing this for real (cause we didn't)!!!

This is what DMT extraction would look like if we did it, which we didn't. What you will see in this thread is a re-enactment.

Ghislain (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/member.php?186-Ghislain) and I have worked together to produce DMT. We used the recipe that can be found HERE (http://www.digestyourself.com/#!extraction-liquid/wcqdm) or in THIS (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1933-DMT-Extraction-Guide) thread.


Materials needed
(Quantities can be scaled accordingly to work with smaller or larger amounts of material)
Protective gloves, glasses and paint mask should be used
100 grams of DMT containing plant material
100 grams of Sodium Hydroxide (NAOH / Lye)
***Lye will burn your skin, vinegar will neutralize the burn. We’ve all seen Fight Club***
~400ml of distilled white vinegar
1L Naphtha
~400ml of distilled H2O
1L Mason jar
1lb iodized salt (you will not need all of this but salt is cheap)
Funnel, Turkey baster (glass), Pyrex dish, Fan, Razor blades, another small Mason jar with a lid.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_7631_zpsmmkjciwc.jpg

The hotplate is not necessary we discovered. Also the actual bark (Mimosa Hostilis) is already powdered. We used about 70 grams. So all the quantities above we used 70%.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_7633_zps2pdilknz.jpg

Stove Top
Bring ~500ml vinegar to a boil and remove from heat. In a seperate pot bring ~500ml distilled H2O to a boil, add iodized salt until it stops dissolving, the key here is to saturate the H2O. Set aside for 10 minutes until the salt that didn’t dissolve settles to the bottom. Run the salt H2O through a coffee filter collecting the extra salt and disgard.

Acid Soak
In your Mason jar add 100g bark powder + hot vinegar + hot salt-H2O. Fill to two inches below the rim of the jar and shake until mixed well. Continue to shake occasionally for 1 hour allowing the DMT alkaloids to change into salt form catalyzed by the low pH. The purpose of the salt is to take up virtually all the vacant space in the H2O and help push the DMT alkaloids into the non-polar solvent once changed into freebase form. With this amount of vinegar a pH meter is not needed. The low pH ensures all DMT is in its salt form, which is soluble in H2O.


So the reddish liquid in the jar above is the finished product. Unfortunately we didn't take any pictures of the actual process. But it was straigthforward.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_7635_zpswgksiild.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_7636%201_zpssxacpr54.jpg


Basify
Basify by adding 100g NAOH to the jug but not all at once. The reaction creates heat and will boil if you dump it all in one shot. Once all the NAHO is added top off the jug with the salt-H2O until the aqueous solution level is 1 inch below the rim of the jar. With this amount of NAOH a pH meter is not needed. The red/brown aqueous solution will turn dark purple. The high pH ensures all DMT is now in its freebase form, which is soluble in Naphtha. Shake occasionally over an hour. Burp jar to prevent too much pressure from building. Burping is not nessesary when the aqueous solution has returned to room temperature.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_7638_zpssa3tfsqh.jpg

During this stage it is important to be careful and use protection. Caustic Soda or as it is also called Sodium Hydroxide (NAOH / Lye) can burn flesh.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_7641_zpsvafl6tcy.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_7647_zpshc6ari8t.jpg

:cool:

Ghislain
01-25-2016, 06:46 PM
Pulling part 1
Add ~50ml-100ml of Naphtha to the jar, filling it to 98% (leaving an air bubble helps for mixing). Shake this vigorously turning over end, upside down and spinning for a few minutes. Set down and let the Naphtha separate from the aqueous solution.

At first we gently turned the jar to mix the Naphtha in. This seperated quite easily. Although we thought too easily. On the next extraction we shook it a lot and we think this was a mistake because it didn't separate at all. So we added more Naphtha and gently turned it and this seemed to work. So it is a balance finding out how much you should mix the Naphtha with the sollution.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_7649_zps5xecmgad.jpg


Pulling part 2
If there is an emulsion layer of bubbles between the aqueous solution and the Naphtha go read a book or do some errands. The reaction is still taking place. Eventually there will be no emulsion after mixing/settling time. Once there are two defined layers use the GLASS turkey baster to suck out the Naphtha and put it in your collection mason jar. Don’t worry about getting every last drop! You will continue to do many pulls so it's ok if you leave a some Naphtha behind each pull. What is most important is NOT removing any of the aqueous solution. Wear your mask and do this in a well-ventilated area.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_7650%201_zpslqixhhmw.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_7653%202_zpstij15xns.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_7654_zpsscs9mnnm.jpg

We placed the Naphtha containing the Stone into a flat glass baking dish in a well ventilated space to evaporate.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_7656_zpsvzszd2oo.jpg


Drying
Once you have a good amount DMT saturated Naphtha collected (it will probably have a yellow tint), pour this into your Pyrex dish with a fan blowing on it. Set your dish up outside in a shed. DO NOT do this in your house. (If you live in a cold region it’s ok if it’s zero degrees outside – Naphtha’s freezing temperature is -72 degrees). Freezing temperatures actually promote crystal growth. Freeze preparation is possible but very time consuming and if you don’t have a separate freezer you don’t want Naphtha next to your ice cream. Let the fan blow on Pyrex dish until evaporated yielding crystals. Scrape these up, consolidate and chop up until you have a nice fine powder.

Continue to add ~50ml-100ml of Naphtha to the jar, shake, let settle and separate until the aqueous solution is exhausted of DMT alkaloids. You will know this when nothing yields after evaporation. Typical yields are 1-2%. If you’re yielding mucky oil that is clearly not crystal you will need to defat. DO NOT ingest any of this yet, oils trap solvents and it needs to be cleaned.


http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_7659_zpstq2hlfun.jpg

Scrape of the crystals with a razor, put it in a pipe and smoke it. (it took ages to fake the DMT to make it look real)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_7662_zpsbdhudbxw.jpg

Use a torch rather than a lighter.

The final step of the DMT path is this:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/dmt_inspired_picture_by_kingcandyflip-d4pos4e_zps4kwnru5c.jpg

And it is!!! (we think, since we haven't done it)

Ghislain

Seth-Ra
01-25-2016, 07:49 PM
Very nice guys.

I of course would never try such.

However, I like your re-enactment, would one of you mind PMing me with where you get your stage props? :)




~Seth-Ra

Awani
01-25-2016, 07:52 PM
We forgot to mention:


“And just as, in Christianity, the Godhead conceals itself in the man of low degree,” Jung writes, “so in the ‘philosophy’ [alchemy] it hides in the uncomely stone.” Symbolically, this is the stone “rejected by the builders,” which ultimately becomes the cornerstone. - source (http://www.awakeninthedream.com/the-sacred-art-of-alchemy/)

The bark is rejected when constructing with wood (which have been used for building things since the dawn of time).


However, I like your re-enactment, would one of you mind PMing me with where you get your stage props?

All of it is easy available except the bark, but there are many things that contain the Godhead.

:cool:

Kiorionis
01-26-2016, 02:10 PM
I love reenactments. This one was particularly dramatic. :)

zoas23
01-27-2016, 12:48 AM
Nice movie!

So you managed to make Dev act in the context of a Lab, Ghislain??? That's impressive...

Your thread inspired me to create another thread with a question...

Awani
01-27-2016, 10:33 AM
So you managed to make Dev act in the context of a Lab, Ghislain??? That's impressive...

If I know I am making something "real" then I don't have a problem with Lab work... ;)

:cool:

JinRaTensei
01-27-2016, 03:14 PM
If one wanted to make own mockplays about, what a coincidence,lab work with dmt what would you imagine the "trip" would be like,maybe a few words from your imagination if you donīt mind.Further would you imagine something like dmt could be compared to lets say marihuana in its "high" or to be precise I heard that there are people who try to achieve higher states of mind by using marihuana like dmt,just much stronger thc also extracted by fake lab work and than either taken oraly and digested or inhaled.
Similarly offcourse also for mushrooms.

in germany it is really hard to get believable props for lab work scenes with dmt and trying to get started with marihuana or mushrooms in trying to achieve higher states of conciousness seems more accessable for my audience ^^

Awani
01-27-2016, 04:47 PM
If one wanted to make own mockplays about, what a coincidence,lab work with dmt what would you imagine the "trip" would be like,maybe a few words from your imagination if you donīt mind.Further would you imagine something like dmt could be compared to lets say marihuana in its "high" or to be precise I heard that there are people who try to achieve higher states of mind by using marihuana like dmt,just much stronger thc also extracted by fake lab work and than either taken oraly and digested or inhaled.
Similarly offcourse also for mushrooms.

in germany it is really hard to get believable props for lab work scenes with dmt and trying to get started with marihuana or mushrooms in trying to achieve higher states of conciousness seems more accessable for my audience ^^

Cannabis and Mushrooms are a JOKE compared to DMT!!! It is the strongest psychedelic there is... ayahuasca and iboga (not sure if iboga has dmt) both create the same realm as smoking DMT... the only difference is that smoking DMT only lasts 5-10 minutes whereas ayahuasca and iboga lasts for 6 hours (or in ibogas case sometimes for days).

These threads has some attempts at describing the "trips":

Ayahuasca Report (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1298-Ayahuasca-Report)
Iboga Report (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3386-Iboga-Report)

As for smoking DMT (or even the reports above) you cannot really explain it. This is one of those things where you have to "take a look" for yourself.

It is the Logos! True wisdom beheld, not explained...

:cool:

zoas23
01-27-2016, 05:05 PM
If I know I am making something "real" then I don't have a problem with Lab work... ;)

:cool:

Real? Oh... that's how I used to think 20 years ago!

( :p joking with you, Dev! Congratulations on your achievement!).

As for Marihuana being a joke... I'm totally with you. I always perceived it as a fast trip to the land of "silly". I don't like it at all.

Awani
01-27-2016, 05:23 PM
As for Marihuana being a joke... I'm totally with you. I always perceived it as a fast trip to the land of "silly". I don't like it at all.

Joke = as in weak compared to DMT

:cool:

JinRaTensei
01-27-2016, 05:47 PM
thanks for the elaboration dev !

Before this planet goes to shit dmt will for sure be on my bucket list now XD.
Here in germany if ppl talk about dmt they talk about a synthetic ot organic product made in a lab.I dont like that which is why I am looking for ayuvasca or the other plant you metioned.

As for marihuana to each their own taste.And each person reacts/absorbs organics differently.For instance I NEVER have trips to "sillyville" or become dull/stupid it is the absolute opposite.Marihuana is my zen,it stills my mind and calms my heart it is like meditation.I also never loose memory or control over my actions even if under vast amounts of alcohol.
Maybe it is genetic or maybe it is the lifelong believe I had/have that nothing can control me against my will not even my own mind which changed the operatings of my phy. body accordingly who knows.

But I always was of the believe that alchemists of all people are the ones who love to experiment with substances and drugs and explore as many states of mind or levels of depth as possible :)

Awani
01-27-2016, 06:16 PM
DMT is organic. The only reason we did an extraction is because it won't work if you eat it. The body absorb it. That is why when you drink ayahuasca you actually drink two things: ayahusca which stops dmt from being absorbed and chakruna which is the dmt. This is the only way to make it work drinking or eating it. But if you do not know how to make it there are some dangers.

That is why if you do this process and smoke it there are no risks... apart from maybe the risk your life will change.

Also forgot to mention that you have to inhale a lot and keep it in till you cannot keep it in anymore.

Iboga is already finished in nature. No need to mix it. Maybe that is why it is even more powerful.

If you want spiritual wisdom ayahuasca is still number one. Since I have had a lot of training with ayahuasca and iboga I can navigate in the smoked DMT realm, but if you have no experience smoking DMT can be very confusing.

And do not do it like all those idiots on YouTube. Sit in the dark (in a quiet safe space) and prepare mentally to clear your mind. And have a friend with you for support (but keeps quiet).

With psychedelics your mind is always clear. To use cannabis correctly you should eat it.

:cool:

Awani
01-27-2016, 08:15 PM
When you make DMT you can get yellow crystals (as in the examples already posted) or the more pure version which are white. But yellow crystals work just fine!

Terence McKenna once said:


"DMT is like an intellectual black hole in that once one knows about it, it is very hard for others to understand what one is talking about. One cannot be heard. The more one is able to articulate what it is, the less others are able to understand. This is why I think people who are able to attain enlightenment... are silent."

This is also why psychedelics has been a silent partner to the human evolution... and even though it is pretty vocal at this period in time I do understand the need for silence. If a seeker comes to me I will speak, but if a person does not seek I shall be quiet. If you know what I mean... ;)


thanks for the elaboration...

If you read these threads in full you will get a very detailed elaboration. Just keep in mind that it is only "my" journey... yours might be very different... but the ambience of it will be the same I think. ;)


Ayahuasca Report (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1298-Ayahuasca-Report)(contain 3 different trips to the Amazon)
Iboga Report (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3386-Iboga-Report)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/tumblr_mbv8wwxk0w1r3z74co1_500_zpszanprxkx.gif
Even this gif is a fucking weak joke compared to what is the true reality of DMT. ;)

:cool:

Awani
01-29-2016, 01:03 PM
This thread started to go into many different ways to do psychedelics so I moved all those posts to: How to do psychedelics (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4361-How-to-do-psychedelics)

This thread is just about DMT extraction (which no one here has done nor will ever do). Yuck!

:cool:

Awani
01-30-2016, 07:00 PM
It is impossible to make graphics that simulate a DMT journey, but this I found is pretty good... although it is only 1 % of what is experienced... still the video might get people an idea of what it is like... although the difference between seeing a photo of a roller coaster and being on one are very very different.

[video deleted]

:cool:

Ghislain
02-02-2016, 04:37 AM
How Close is this?




M-state modified wet method.

How to make M State gold from Dead sea salt.

1 Take 1/2 cup of Dead Sea Salt,

2 Add 2 cups of distilled water.

3 Now have sea water from dead sea salt.

4 Pour sea water through a coffee filter to filter out scum.

5 Pour the sea water into a stainless steel pot. Slowly, drop-by-drop,add the food grade lye solution WHILE STIRRING. Every ten drops or so, test the pH. You might want to take at least 3 to 5 samples from different regions of the liquid.

6 bring the pH up to 9.5, then stop to be on the safe side. If you are using a pHmeter, stop just before you get to pH 10.78.

7 A white precipitate which includes m-state elements will form.

8 You must proceed slowly and patiently so that you do not
exceed pH 10.78 with a meter or pH 9.5 with pH paper. If you go
higher than pH 10.78, you might get a "Gilcrest precipitate" of toxic
heavy metals. It is alleged that the Dead Sea salt water does not produce any Gilcrest precipitate. This has not been proven and should not be assumed.

9 Once you are at the correct pH, stop.

10 Pour the solution into a clean glass jar or test tube.

11 The white precipitate (slurry) slowly settles on the bottom of the jar.Let the slurry settle overnight. If metals or other toxins have been ruled out by prior testing of your starting material, the slurry is probably mostly calcium hydroxide, Mg(OH)2, lye, and a small amount of m-state

12 Using a large syringe (or siphon), remove the liquid above the slurry

13 Add distilled water to the precipitate (filling the jar), stir thoroughly, and let it settle again for at least 4 to 5 hours, preferably overnight. Put the jar inside of a metal cookie jar inside of another metal jar . Steal wool between the jars will keep the solution away from magnetic fields.

14 Do 12 and 13 4 times to wash the material well. Using distilled water each time.

15 This step use to be to boil the solution for 5 minutes. Boiling is probably not the best idea unless you are using straight sea water and not using the dried sea salt reconstituted in water.

16 Take ph to 12 .

17 Filter material and keep liquid.

18 Use vinegar to bring the ph to 10.7 . Jello like precipitate will form.

19 To further filter the material to dry material m state elements.

This procedure removes the Mg(OH)2 by dissolving it below pH 9. First get some HCl (or muriatic acid) and coffee filters. A safer alternative to HCl is distilled white vinegar.

1. Dry the precipitate in a dark oven at about 275 degrees F for
one or two hours. This forms a dry powder.

2. Take the dry powder and pulverize out any clumps.

3. In a glass container, cover the powder with some distilled
water. For example, one liter of water for one cup of powder.

4. Add HCl or distilled white vinegar drop-by-drop to bring
the pH to 5 or 6.

5. Shake the bottle and let it sit overnight. The dried m-state
should not dissolve at that pH, but the Mg(OH)2 should
dissolve.

6. The next day, after all the Mg(OH)2 has dissolved, pour
everything into filter paper.

7. Wash the powder collected in the filter paper several times
with distilled water to remove any residual traces of HCl or
vinegar.

8. The washed powder may be oven-dried again at about 275
degrees F, and you should have m-state powder free of
Mg(OH)2.here is another method of obtaining m-state elements



Could this be a corruption of the DMT path?

Ghislain

Ghislain
02-02-2016, 05:00 AM
I'm Curious now...I am going to do the DMT path using only DSS and no other material.

I will report what I find.

Ghislain

Awani
02-03-2016, 10:31 PM
Did this quick, sure it can be improved (I'm not lab guy)... seems to fit.

Calcination
Heat the vinegar and the water

Dissolution
Dissolve the salt.

Separation
Filter the salt water.

Conjunction
Add the Sodium Hydroxide.

Fermentation
Mix/stir and let it sit.

Distillation
Extract the yellow liquid (the naphtha).

Coagulation
The naphtha evaporates. The DMT crystals are formed.

And this you have the true “powder of the sun”!

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/10660225_522680251246610_6609528153052895096_n_zps aquc0ly0.jpg

:cool:

Awani
02-07-2016, 05:34 PM
Found this account which I could not have said better myself:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/12642645_1090992687612377_6336445744003666195_n_zp sisuoetpt.png

:cool:

Ghislain
02-16-2016, 05:22 PM
I'm Curious now...I am going to do the DMT path using only DSS and no other material.

I will report what I find.

Ghislain

The video below shows an experiment to see if there is any DMT in Dead Sea Salt


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtSwHIlRMCY&feature=youtu.be

The conclusion is that there is not any DMT in DSS ;)

Ghislain

Awani
02-17-2016, 11:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtSwHIlRMCY&feature=youtu.be

Good work even if unsuccessful.

:cool:

Awani
02-23-2016, 04:00 AM
I tried doing it by myself, but I did not manage to extract anything. I think my fault was not stirring so much as I should have... which means "mixing" is very important.

Good thing is I stocked up on distilled water (which can be hard to find) so we have it for the congress... don't think distilled goes off. Actually it is de-mineralized water... but same thing?

Took this photo though and thought I'd make a good advert... ;)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/dmt%20ad_zpsvle1livz.jpg

:cool:

Nibiru
04-09-2016, 05:20 PM
Hi, I have a very simple method if you'd like. I posted a similar method link to the public thread but it somehow was deleted. I actually just partook in a stash I had made years back and recently found. It seems it improves with age, mine now smells like roses :) I'm able to go from rootbark to smokable crystals in less than an hour. Let me know if you want the method.

Kiorionis
04-09-2016, 05:59 PM
Let me know if you want the method.

I'd like the method.

Nibiru
04-09-2016, 06:22 PM
Cool, no problem. Keep in mind I haven't been keeping up with the on goings of the forum much lately, so if this has recently been revealed elsewhere I apologize.

This is info regarding a dream a friend of mine once had:

Start with a quart mason jar. Fill it a little over 3/4 full(600ml) with distilled water and 100g of lye(potash may work better being a plant salt). Once the alkaline salt is dissolved, add 100g inner root bark powder (the good stuff is usually pink or purple in color). Put the lid on tight and shake it up good until you feel increasing heat from the plant salt being converted to its freebase form. Once the reaction begins the liquid will become much darker. After 5-10 minutes and while still hot, add a small layer naptha(form of ether used for lighter and BBQ fuel) at about 50-100ml. Smaller amounts are better because it causes the naptha to become supersaturated making pure crystal formation much easier. For the next 10-20 minutes slowly turn the jar from right side up to inverted, don't shake or you will get foam/emulsification that takes forever to settle. With time the naptha will become a nice golden yellow. Once the jar begins to cool but is still pretty warm use a turkey baster, eyedropper, or separation funnel to seperate the infused naptha. Put it into a shallow dish with a lid and place in freezer. When the naptha is cold the excess crystals(supersaturation) will drop from the solution, due to solubility changes from tempature, in a very pure form. Pour the excess naptha carefully off of the crystals and allow them to air dry. These are super pure, the excess naptha can then be evaporated to obtain the remaining alkaloids mixed with a bit of the fats and oils but is still quite effective just a bit more harsh, though its possible to recrystallize to purify if needed. You can pull multiple times with quantity dropping after around the third pull. If you allow a pull to digest for a long time with the naptha before separating you will obtain a red Spice with quite different properties..

Hope this helps, and be prepared for 'breakthrough' experiences, they can be quite intense..

Good luck :)

Awani
04-12-2016, 02:31 PM
Ghislain does the freezing method so we might do this next time.

:cool:

Nibiru
04-12-2016, 11:20 PM
Cool, one last tip to avoid harshness. They sell items called 'nectar collectors' for smoking hash these days that are used by heating the tip of a long glass 'straw' with a blow torch then applying it to a premeasured quantity while inhaling. These work quite well for spice.

Ghislain
04-21-2016, 03:07 PM
Start with a quart mason jar. Fill it a little over 3/4 full(600ml) with distilled water and 100g of lye(potash may work better being a plant salt). Once the alkaline salt is dissolved, add 100g inner root bark powder (the good stuff is usually pink or purple in color).



Nibiru are you saying you can miss the acidification part?

Everything I have read includes this part.

Ghislain

Nibiru
04-29-2016, 06:42 PM
yes

Nibiru
05-21-2016, 03:16 PM
I should mention that you may need to wash he finished product to remove excess alkalinity.