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gedfire
04-16-2016, 10:20 PM
Hello All,

I would like some help in reconstructing Leoretilus Method of Creating the Stone.He mentioned in the thread success little or no putrefaction, orgone storing ,ormus,GW etc.I would like a step by step approach.I am hoping that someone can help to fully understand the method by which he created the Stone (or his version thereof)

Thanks

ghetto alchemist
04-17-2016, 01:04 PM
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but LeoRetilus never made any gold from lead as he reported in his success thread.

He only made lead oxide, and he mistook a yellow substance for being gold.
He's not the first, other would be alchemists have also made the same mistake.

Unfortunately he lacked the strength of character to admit that he made a mistake, and never put up a statement to retract his original claim, even after he came to know the truth himself.

Link to LeoRetilus' "Success" thread HERE (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1133-Success).

gedfire
04-17-2016, 05:03 PM
Thank you for you kind response.I have reread the thread.I agree he made lead oxide.I have done that too looks nice and golden. But I did that by bubbling vapour under molten lead.Dangerous stuff with all that vapour.Think I got sick too at the time.Anyway, I wanted to reexamine his method of creating the powder.It is struvite by the way.I have also seen the urine Ormus thread.

I have tested urine after its just released and its indeed acidic.After 2 weeks fermentation its alkaline, enough to precipitate phophorous etc.

I am working on ways to enhance the process.So I was thinking he added seawater precipitate (heat treated then placed them in orgone accumulators.

Just for posterity I wanted his full method, whether useless or not. I am not interested in making gold via the philosopher's stone.I am STRONGLY interested in its reported health benefits however.Cheaper than medication.

If you could help with the reconstruction of Leo's Method it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Andro
04-17-2016, 05:21 PM
Hi gedfire,

I see that his old site is no longer online (http://www.houseleoretilus.org/), but you can search YouTube/Google/etc for his name (https://www.google.com/search?q=leo+retilus), to find ways to contact him directly, if so inclined. He's also on FB under his real name, so I've been told.

There may be some forum members here who could still be in touch with him through other channels, but it's up to them whether they wish to contact you on this matter or not (if they see this thread).


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ghetto alchemist
04-17-2016, 10:10 PM
Gedfire asked:
If you could help with the reconstruction of Leo's Method it would be greatly appreciated.

I made an attempt to reconstruct his method 5 or so years ago.
Just checked my notes and this is what I had written down from back then:

Sea salt extraction
sea salt -> white powder precipitate -> annealed by heating
(unsure if Mg hydroxide is removed, assuming that it was not since he never mentioned it)

Urine extraction
1 collect urine
2 charge it up with tesla hairpin circuit
3 add ether and let sit for a couple of days
4 extract ether and evaporate off leaving ormus oil
5 split oil into 2 parts -> 1 part in direct sunshine until red -> 1 part in moonlight until white
6 combine the red and white together with the white powder from sea salt...
maybe let sit for a while in a gentle heat in the dark.


He was definately using that tesla hairpin circuit pretty heavily at the time he believed he made
the philosophers stone. He was also spruiking sea salt precipitate and urine back then too.
At that time, I deduced that all 3 were linked, but they might have been completely separate projects for him.

Just for the record.... I don't believe the above process is the way to make the philosophers stone.

gedfire
04-21-2016, 03:52 AM
Hi gedfire,

I see that his old site is no longer online (http://www.houseleoretilus.org/), but you can search YouTube/Google/etc for his name (https://www.google.com/search?q=leo+retilus), to find ways to contact him directly, if so inclined. He's also on FB under his real name, so I've been told.

There may be some forum members here who could still be in touch with him through other channels, but it's up to them whether they wish to contact you on this matter or not (if they see this thread).


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Thank you very much for the lead.Appreciated.

gedfire
04-21-2016, 03:54 AM
I made an attempt to reconstruct his method 5 or so years ago.
Just checked my notes and this is what I had written down from back then:

Sea salt extraction
sea salt -> white powder precipitate -> annealed by heating
(unsure if Mg hydroxide is removed, assuming that it was not since he never mentioned it)

Urine extraction
1 collect urine
2 charge it up with tesla hairpin circuit
3 add ether and let sit for a couple of days
4 extract ether and evaporate off leaving ormus oil
5 split oil into 2 parts -> 1 part in direct sunshine until red -> 1 part in moonlight until white
6 combine the red and white together with the white powder from sea salt...
maybe let sit for a while in a gentle heat in the dark.


He was definately using that tesla hairpin circuit pretty heavily at the time he believed he made
the philosophers stone. He was also spruiking sea salt precipitate and urine back then too.
At that time, I deduced that all 3 were linked, but they might have been completely separate projects for him.

Just for the record.... I don't believe the above process is the way to make the philosophers stone.

Got it.Thanks Ghetto Chemist.What is the method you use?

Thanks .

ghetto alchemist
04-22-2016, 01:57 AM
Gedfire asked:
What is the method you use?

Fair enough question.
Obviously I never made the philosophers stone, I only have an idea.
So...If already have philosophers mercury, then I think part of that theoretical Retilus process is correct. I would tweak it just a little bit like so:

1/ get philosophers mercury
2/ split into 3 parts: -> 1 part in sunlight until red -> 1 part in moonlight until white -> 1 part heat until powder
3/ recombine red liquid, white liquid and powder
4/ sit in the dark and gently heat

This should make a medicine for ingestion, if wanting a projection stone, add 1 more step
5/ add powdered quartz (and maybe more philisophical mercury) -> heat until red liquid ingress into quartz

That said, I have never seen philosophical mercury, and I seriously doubt that either myself (or the rest of us) will ever see it in our lifetimes.

Also, I don't think philosophical mercury can be acquired from either sea salt or urine.
I reckon it is extracted from a calcium carbonate source (Eg limestone), using acid and ether.
But I'm not really sure how to do this. Also note that LeoRetilus himself changed his thinking to later say that limestone is the source of Spiritus Mundi. Much as I hate to admit it, I'll concede that Retilus does know a lot about alchemy, and he probably possesses most of the keys required. But I still don't think he ever succeeded as he claimed.

It was Retilus who gave me the key about spiritus mundi in sunlight turns red, and in moonlight turns white. So even though I don't think very much of him as a person, for his gift I am eternally grateful.

gedfire
05-04-2016, 03:33 AM
Fair enough question.
Obviously I never made the philosophers stone, I only have an idea.
So...If already have philosophers mercury, then I think part of that theoretical Retilus process is correct. I would tweak it just a little bit like so:

1/ get philosophers mercury
2/ split into 3 parts: -> 1 part in sunlight until red -> 1 part in moonlight until white -> 1 part heat until powder
3/ recombine red liquid, white liquid and powder
4/ sit in the dark and gently heat

This should make a medicine for ingestion, if wanting a projection stone, add 1 more step
5/ add powdered quartz (and maybe more philisophical mercury) -> heat until red liquid ingress into quartz

That said, I have never seen philosophical mercury, and I seriously doubt that either myself (or the rest of us) will ever see it in our lifetimes.

Also, I don't think philosophical mercury can be acquired from either sea salt or urine.
I reckon it is extracted from a calcium carbonate source (Eg limestone), using acid and ether.
But I'm not really sure how to do this. Also note that LeoRetilus himself changed his thinking to later say that limestone is the source of Spiritus Mundi. Much as I hate to admit it, I'll concede that Retilus does know a lot about alchemy, and he probably possesses most of the keys required. But I still don't think he ever succeeded as he claimed.

It was Retilus who gave me the key about spiritus mundi in sunlight turns red, and in moonlight turns white. So even though I don't think very much of him as a person, for his gift I am eternally grateful.

Sounds good.I have 99% pure limestone in my backyard. I also have calcite.I added HCL to it and got golden water.So Spiritus is present? Remember that Ca = Si+C .Ca can transmute to Si and C or vice versa.So we are stuck with Si aka quartz.

ghetto alchemist
05-04-2016, 11:13 AM
wonderbar...how exciting.

Your limestone should be good to work with....you no doubt also know calcite is the very pure crystals of calcium carbonate...so effectively same thing. If your calcite is a mineral source, should also be good to work on.


Gedfire: I added HCL to it and got golden water.So Spiritus is present?
Absolutely the spiritus should be in there.


Gedfire: Remember that Ca = Si+C .Ca can transmute to Si and C or vice versa.So we are stuck with Si aka quartz.

I was stunned to find you're absolutely right...theoretically Ca could be split to Si and C, even the neutrons balance out. But I reckon the calcium carbonate is somehow holding onto that spiritus substance...all you gotta do is separate the two. That's already tough enough....dont make it harder still.

so...options to separate the spiritus from your yellow solution....

Option 1:
John Hudson process says that if you add sulfuric acid to your yellow solution and heat it...you'll get a white precipitate...this white precipitate probably takes the spiritus with it because hudson describes the characteristic smell of spiritus from heating the white powder in an oven. But you'll then have to separate the spiritus from the white powder (which is chemically calcium sulfate). You could add pure alcohol to the white powder which should pick up the spiritus but leave the powder behind...but then you have to separate the spiritus from alcohol....got any ideas...??

Option 2:
Boil your yellow solution to a white powder (it will then chemically be calcium chloride).
You cant add alcohol to this powder because the both the powder and spiritus will dissolve.
Instead you could add dietyl ether, that should collect the spiritus but leave the powder behind.
This time you have to separate the spiritus from diethyl ether....got any ideas??

Either way you'll have to separate the spiritus from a solvent.....that requires at least one key.
This is the bit where I'm in the dark.

Do you simply pull a vacuum on the solvent and slightly heat it to boiling point, and solvent evaporates leaving behind spiritus? Ormus researchers seem to indicate this.
Do you pull a vacuum and use a torsion field to distill off the spiritus and leave solvent behind? Alchemy texts seem to indicate this. (Torsion field in this instance can be made from a spinning magnet.)
Do you do something else altogether different?
Eg simply burn the solvent leaving spiritus behind? (I doubt it, but who knows)

I recommend option 2, because if you have sulfuric acid and pure alcohol you can make diethyl ether using only those two chemicals anyway, so may as well do that. But how ironic that those substances....ether...sulfuric acid...absolute alcohol ....are all forbidden for purchase by common people in nanny state like Australia. Which means we have to create them ourselves, exactly like Paracelsus and Lullius did 500+ years ago, but for completely different reasons. Incredible.

Andro
05-04-2016, 12:05 PM
But how ironic that those substances....ether...sulfuric acid...absolute alcohol ....are all forbidden for purchase by common people in nanny state like Australia.

You can register a company in Oz, register with the police so they are 'officially informed' that you're not making 'drugs', and you're good to go and get all the aforementioned substances.

Make sure you get a HazMat sign for your lab :)

gedfire
05-23-2016, 04:50 AM
wonderbar...how exciting.

Your limestone should be good to work with....you no doubt also know calcite is the very pure crystals of calcium carbonate...so effectively same thing. If your calcite is a mineral source, should also be good to work on.


Absolutely the spiritus should be in there.



I was stunned to find you're absolutely right...theoretically Ca could be split to Si and C, even the neutrons balance out. But I reckon the calcium carbonate is somehow holding onto that spiritus substance...all you gotta do is separate the two. That's already tough enough....dont make it harder still.

so...options to separate the spiritus from your yellow solution....

Option 1:
John Hudson process says that if you add sulfuric acid to your yellow solution and heat it...you'll get a white precipitate...this white precipitate probably takes the spiritus with it because hudson describes the characteristic smell of spiritus from heating the white powder in an oven. But you'll then have to separate the spiritus from the white powder (which is chemically calcium sulfate). You could add pure alcohol to the white powder which should pick up the spiritus but leave the powder behind...but then you have to separate the spiritus from alcohol....got any ideas...??

Option 2:
Boil your yellow solution to a white powder (it will then chemically be calcium chloride).
You cant add alcohol to this powder because the both the powder and spiritus will dissolve.
Instead you could add dietyl ether, that should collect the spiritus but leave the powder behind.
This time you have to separate the spiritus from diethyl ether....got any ideas??

Either way you'll have to separate the spiritus from a solvent.....that requires at least one key.
This is the bit where I'm in the dark.

Do you simply pull a vacuum on the solvent and slightly heat it to boiling point, and solvent evaporates leaving behind spiritus? Ormus researchers seem to indicate this.
Do you pull a vacuum and use a torsion field to distill off the spiritus and leave solvent behind? Alchemy texts seem to indicate this. (Torsion field in this instance can be made from a spinning magnet.)
Do you do something else altogether different?
Eg simply burn the solvent leaving spiritus behind? (I doubt it, but who knows)

I recommend option 2, because if you have sulfuric acid and pure alcohol you can make diethyl ether using only those two chemicals anyway, so may as well do that. But how ironic that those substances....ether...sulfuric acid...absolute alcohol ....are all forbidden for purchase by common people in nanny state like Australia. Which means we have to create them ourselves, exactly like Paracelsus and Lullius did 500+ years ago, but for completely different reasons. Incredible.

Thank you very much for replying.Very exciting indeed! The calcite is a huge chunk,the size of roughly two footballs.So its heavy.I broke of bits and pieces for experimentation.Before this, 5 days ago, I added baking soda to what I think is Calcium Chloride plus "new" water,carbon dioxide and possibly some left over acid.

Lots of fizzing and an increase in volume as new water and carbon dioxide is formed again.(I did a simple flame test).Lo and behold,I did see a white precipitate at the bottle after the fizzing stopped.I used dissolved baking soda that was filtered.I then added vinegar.More fizzing and some precipitate.Crazy!

Now I had planned to add sulphuric acid, but remembered that I could just add the chunks of calcite to the sulphuric acid and get calcium sulphate ,new water and carbon dioxide.That's next.That new water thing came from George Wiseman.Maybe if I seed the mix I could get a metal I desire...Not so easy eh?

Cheers!

elixirmixer
06-08-2016, 11:19 AM
You can register a company in Oz, register with the police so they are 'officially informed' that you're not making 'drugs', and you're good to go and get all the aforementioned substances.

Make sure you get a HazMat sign for your lab :)

You also need to apply for a 'permit to purchase confessional spirits'if you want to buy the cheap absolute alcohol. This involves declaring each month how much you buy, even if you don't buy any, and fines can apply to people who don't declare. (more Aussie government BS)

This 'red in the sun' 'white in the moon' thing is very interesting. Has anyone experienced this themselves?

elixirmixer
06-09-2016, 08:04 AM
So I'm just trying to learn more about this process. I thought this was a kind of.. one substance one flask kind of set up, but you have added ether. Is that what you need to get the separation of the water's from the oil?

I very philosophically pee'd in a porcelain milk jug. Left it cold for 6 hours and expected to see some kind of separation?

Please help me on one other thing because I'm stupid. What is everyone referring to when they say GW?

True Initiate
06-10-2016, 12:37 AM
GW stands for Golden Water which means urine.

elixirmixer
06-10-2016, 03:34 AM
Thank you. Makes sense, I thought it might have been someone's initials.

So I did get a separation after 24 hrs. Isolated a pink powder with some tiny red/orange crystals.

I don't want to ask too many questions because I don't expect to be spoon fed. (starting to grasp how this forum works) but can we please just talk about potential dangers?

At what stage will this substance become explosive? And how might one work with it safely? (or learn to work with it safely.)

True Initiate
06-10-2016, 05:36 AM
(starting to grasp how this forum works)

This was funny!

elixirmixer
06-10-2016, 10:57 PM
Thank you very much for replying.Very exciting indeed! The calcite is a huge chunk,the size of roughly two footballs.So its heavy.I broke of bits and pieces for experimentation.Before this, 5 days ago, I added baking soda to what I think is Calcium Chloride plus "new" water,carbon dioxide and possibly some left over acid.

Lots of fizzing and an increase in volume as new water and carbon dioxide is formed again.(I did a simple flame test).Lo and behold,I did see a white precipitate at the bottle after the fizzing stopped.I used dissolved baking soda that was filtered.I then added vinegar.More fizzing and some precipitate.Crazy!

Now I had planned to add sulphuric acid, but remembered that I could just add the chunks of calcite to the sulphuric acid and get calcium sulphate ,new water and carbon dioxide.That's next.That new water thing came from George Wiseman.Maybe if I seed the mix I could get a metal I desire...Not so easy eh?

Cheers!

What is the goal here exactly? You've got yourself quite a little mixture going on now. What are you trying to make? I certainly don't think LR was using bicarbonate and vinegar. That would create sodium acetate, and here we're stepping right away from the stone and oil of gold... so far it looks like you've got a salt and vinegar flavoured calcium supplement.

Was that the goal?

Also... sea salt... not sure this is the salt your looking for, but then again I'm not sure what your plan is because you said your trying to re-create LR but not make the stone... which is what he claimed he did.

I do have a question though... can ethanol be used instead of ether to extract the urine oil? Is there another way, without adding any solvents, to extract this oil of urine??

Andro
06-10-2016, 11:14 PM
I do have a question though... can ethanol be used instead of ether to extract the urine oil? Is there another way, without adding any solvents, to extract this oil of urine?

Read THIS THREAD (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1351-Ether-Extraction-Method) (entirely).

gedfire
07-26-2016, 02:21 PM
I have paused my experimentation with the Calcite.Still considering what to do after the yellow fluid stage.I have a theory though.Hope to get back to it soon.