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Kiorionis
06-01-2016, 05:15 PM
Why should I not speak the truth about what is so clearly seen inside of me at this moment?

What is below originated in the above, and what is above originated in the below; this is the most wonderful of all paradoxes!
All things are created from One Thing. All things arise from an adaptation of One Thing, and everything is an adaptation of this One Thing according to Its limitations.

It mothered the Sun and It fathered the Moon. It is an Earth digesting itself, and It is the refining breath of the Air. These actions are manifestations of Its power.

As the Earth refines itself and the Air digests itself, there is a separation of the subtle from the gross.
All the while the Earth is digesting itself, mothering the Sun and fathering the Moon.
Look out in the world and see, this is how Nature operates.
Look inside and see, this is how you operate.

However, there are many adaptations of One process, which is why I, Hermes, have laid down three principle philosophies for you to meditate on.

The work of the Sun, and indeed of the whole World, is finished because of these three philosophies, adapted from the philosophy of One Thing according to Its particular limitation.

zoas23
06-02-2016, 07:06 AM
I liked it, Kiorionis!

What's your interpretation of the "three parts of the philosophy of the whole world"? (Or "these three philosophies, adapted from the philosophy of One Thing according to Its particular limitation").

I've seen authors relating it to: Vegetable, Animal and Mineral.
Others to: Astrology, Alchemy, Theurgy.
Others to the three Sepharim (numbers, language and speech/communication/tradition)
And others to the Neo-Platonic Trinity (One, Spirit and Soul -bad translations... Hen, Nous, Psyche).

What do you think?

Awani
06-02-2016, 02:27 PM
I like it, but have not tried to dissect its meaning. :)

:cool:

Kiorionis
06-02-2016, 03:39 PM
Thanks zoas and dev.


I liked it, Kiorionis!

What's your interpretation of the "three parts of the philosophy of the whole world"? (Or "these three philosophies, adapted from the philosophy of One Thing according to Its particular limitation").

What do you think?

The three philosophies of the world is an interesting subject, and the way I interpret it is that in order to manifest anything, in order to finish or 'fix' a work, there are three forces necessary -- and each force is limited in its function, which give rise to movement and balance or imbalance.

Better yet, anything available for the human mind/consciousness to study falls under one of these three forces, no matter how you label them. I think it's also important to remember, our knowledge and understanding of things is always changing as we pursue wisdom. This is why we have "three philosophies to meditate on" and not three philosophies to learn and memorize.

In the end, they're all trying to describe certain aspects of One Thing, but only after this One Thing has placed limitations on itself by becoming one of the three principles/philosophies.

Basically, the last part for me isn't which three philosophies to study, but how these three interact with one another.

Andro
06-02-2016, 07:09 PM
there are three forces necessary.

god, devil & The Separator (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?2002-The-Separator) :)

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Generally, I see here the three main VR planes: Physical Plane (Alchemy), Astral Plane (Asters/Astrology) and Mental/Causal Plane (Theurgy/Intent, etc...)

There's also the UN-created Spirit/Essence, but it permeates all VR planes, while not being a 'Plane' itself.

Kiorionis
06-03-2016, 04:10 PM
Generally, I see here the three main VR planes: Physical Plane (Alchemy), Astral Plane (Asters/Astrology) and Mental/Causal Plane (Theurgy/Intent, etc...)

There's also the UN-created Spirit/Essence, but it permeates all VR planes, while not being a 'Plane' itself.


The work, and indeed the whole World, is finished because of these three philosophies, adapted from the philosophy of One Thing according to Its particular limitation.

Seems to fit well :cool:

zoas23
11-25-2016, 07:52 AM
I've been talking to Kiorinis about this famous line of the 3 philosophies and I told him why it's the most elusive line of the Table for me (I am not in love with ANY of the answers given in this thread, which includes even my own answers).
Astrology, alchemy and theurgy?
Sulphur, salt and mercury?
Mineral, animal and vegetable?
Hen, Nous and Psyche?
God, devil and the separator?

I was thinking that the idea that the Unity is divided in 3 is quite typical (Chaldean Oracles, Valentinean Gnosticism -later adopted by Roman Catholisicm-, Plotinus, etc)...

It MAY be possible that Hermes Trismegistus (i.e, "three times big", an honorary title) is simply explaining his name and this line is more related to the Religious side of Hermeticism than to the ontological and "practical" side of the Tablet... something as simple as "I'm three times big because I contain 3 philosophies".

Similar to the Book (sepher) Sepher Yetzirah that it is a combination of three "sepharim"... or the three mitical Rosicrucian books (I. M. and H.)

Andro
11-25-2016, 08:10 AM
Papal Tiara (triple crown):

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2JRL8GGZZMA/hqdefault.jpg

St. Didier (Hermetic Triumph) Emblem - triple crown on top:

http://liberatelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/St.-Didier-Emblem-04.jpg

Ghislain
11-25-2016, 07:52 PM
Mineral, animal and vegetable?


This seems the easiest to get my head around, perhaps Hermes Trismegistus had mastered all three.

Ghislain

Kiorionis
12-10-2016, 02:38 AM
but have not tried to dissect its meaning. :)

:cool:

Have you tried yet? I'm interested in hearing what you have to say on it.

Awani
12-10-2016, 03:29 AM
I have problem wrapping my head around the frequent use of "limitation". Can you elaborate.

:cool:

Kiorionis
12-10-2016, 03:55 AM
If during a mushroom ceremony the Mind is trying to wrap itself around the infinite, limitless expanse and sensation of the Sensational... then in this context the "limitation" is the "mushroom ceremony". As long as this limitation -- or definition -- exists, in either ritual or mindset or subconscious influence, a person will never be able to go beyond the "mushroom ceremony" limitation.

Don't get me wrong, this is a good thing! :)

I suppose the most important part of the "limitation" comes through on the mental plane. How do we define 'God'? We cannot give 'Him' any one attribute, and it's best to circumnavigate 'His' definition through the negative.

It is not a plant. It is not an animal. It is not a mineral.

But It is within these things.

This is a very common approach, which expresses the idea of "limitation" I've been experiencing lately.

I suppose the main point "limitations" is trying to express is the difference between ego-experience and... "Self-experience"?

At least, that is my current interpretation of this re-interpretation...

So, in the theme of the thread, the One Thing adapts itself to manifest as "mushroom ceremony" or "I am not a plant"...

Haha if that makes sense.

Kiorionis
12-10-2016, 03:58 AM
The first time I came across the "law of limitation" was in a conversation with a Demonologist, expressing his experiences evoking either Lucifer or some other "Lord of the Earth".

Limitation also deals quite heavily in "fixation".

Awani
12-10-2016, 04:18 PM
Haha if that makes sense.

No. :) Still trying to wrap my head around what you mean exactly.


I suppose the main point "limitations" is trying to express is the difference between ego-experience and... "Self-experience"?

If we continue with the "mushroom ceremony" allegory I feel that when you have a big enough dose you will have, what Terence McKenna calls, a boundary dissolving experience. You loose the "ego" bit and enter a "limitless" perspective (which I guess could be the true self). So in this scenario where does the "limitation" aspect appear?

Sorry if I'm slow to get your point.

:cool:

Kiorionis
12-10-2016, 04:26 PM
You loose the "ego" bit and enter a "limitless" perspective (which I guess could be the true self). So in this scenario where does the "limitation" aspect appear?

In this situation the "limitation" is on the fixt point of experience, so it appears behind both the ego-perspective and the limitless-perspective as the individual's unique experience -- before ceremony, during ceremony (to whichever degree a dissolution occurs), and after ceremony.


Sorry if I'm slow to get your point.

haha, and I swear there's a point to these ramblings... maybe.. :confused:

Awani
12-10-2016, 04:50 PM
The experience is limited to my own direct experience. No one else can experience what I have experienced. If this is what you mean then I agree.


All things arise from an adaptation of One Thing, and everything is an adaptation of this One Thing according to Its limitations.

Which would make this mean:

All things arise from an adaptation of One Thing, and everything is an adaptation of this One Thing according to Its limitations, which is the level of the individual that is using/working/making the One Thing.

?

Hell I don't know. Sometimes an "idea" is not possible to put into language, and sharing it with others might infect it with "stupidity"... perhaps better if you let it dissolve and coagulate internally till its ready and easier to present in a child level language. LOL.

:cool:

Kiorionis
12-10-2016, 05:00 PM
Which would make this mean:

All things arise from an adaptation of One Thing, and everything is an adaptation of this One Thing according to Its limitations, which is the level of the individual that is using/working/making the One Thing.

I agree with this particular adaptation ;)


perhaps better if you let it dissolve and coagulate internally till its ready

Haha, I suppose this was a test to see if the "idea" is ready. To see if it can melt like wax without smoking.

Ghislain
03-11-2018, 09:08 AM
I found this "modern interpretation of the Emerald Tablet" by Dennis William Hauck, which fits extremely well with what I believe alchemy to be about.


Truly, without hype, religious exploitation, or commercial consideration, you can experience Higher Consciousness.

That which is Matter corresponds to that which is Energy, and that which is Energy corresponds to that which is Matter, in order to accomplish the miracles of the One Light. And just as all things came from this Light, through the concentration of One Mind, so do all created things originate from this Light, through the transformation of Thought.

Its father is Energy; its mother Matter; the Spectrum carries it in its belly; its nurse is the Brain. It is the origin of All, the consecration of the Universe. Its inherent strength is perfected, if it is materialized.

Separate the Light from Matter, the Subtle from the Gross, gently, in deepest Meditation. The Light rises from Earth to Heaven, and returns again to Earth, thereby combining within itself the powers of both Energy and Matter.

Thus will you obtain the Glory of the Whole Universe. All Darkness with be illumined to you. This is the greatest Force of all powers, because it overcomes every Energetic thing and penetrates every Material thing.

In this way was the Universe created. From this comes many wondrous Manifestations, because this is the Formula.

Therefore, am I called Thrice Greatest, having united all three parts of reality and seen the underlying relationship between Energy, Matter, and Light. Herein is completely explained the Operation of Consciousness.

Source: (https://www.alchemylab.com/AJ6-2.htm)

Ghislain

pierre
03-11-2018, 10:58 AM
Conscious
The personal unconscious
The collective unconscious, maybe?

True Initiate
03-11-2018, 12:24 PM
Does anybody know a philosopher whose interpretation of the Emerald Tablet was based on Light? No nitrogen, Solar Sulpur or imaginary SM just Light!

Kiorionis
03-11-2018, 05:29 PM
You don’t consider Dennis William Hauck a philosopher, TI?

True Initiate
03-11-2018, 06:37 PM
Never heard of him. Does he thinks Hermes talked about Light in his Emerald Tablet?

Kiorionis
03-11-2018, 07:43 PM
Haha you must have missed Ghislain’s post above. DWH’s interpretation:


Truly, without hype, religious exploitation, or commercial consideration, you can experience Higher Consciousness.

That which is Matter corresponds to that which is Energy, and that which is Energy corresponds to that which is Matter, in order to accomplish the miracles of the One Light. And just as all things came from this Light, through the concentration of One Mind, so do all created things originate from this Light, through the transformation of Thought.

Its father is Energy; its mother Matter; the Spectrum carries it in its belly; its nurse is the Brain. It is the origin of All, the consecration of the Universe. Its inherent strength is perfected, if it is materialized.

Separate the Light from Matter, the Subtle from the Gross, gently, in deepest Meditation. The Light rises from Earth to Heaven, and returns again to Earth, thereby combining within itself the powers of both Energy and Matter.

Thus will you obtain the Glory of the Whole Universe. All Darkness with be illumined to you. This is the greatest Force of all powers, because it overcomes every Energetic thing and penetrates every Material thing.

In this way was the Universe created. From this comes many wondrous Manifestations, because this is the Formula.

Therefore, am I called Thrice Greatest, having united all three parts of reality and seen the underlying relationship between Energy, Matter, and Light. Herein is completely explained the Operation of Consciousness.

Not specifically about Light, but it includes it :)

True Initiate
03-11-2018, 08:06 PM
He is very close to my own understanding but he made a mistake at the end with the word Consciousnes