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garvolt2002
10-22-2016, 01:21 PM
Doing a translation on an old alchemical document and came across this symbol. Now trying to find its meaning. Has anyone ever seen this symbol before and what does it mean?

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae87/garvolt2002/symbol.png

garvolt2002
10-22-2016, 02:18 PM
The copy I have is very poor quality so perhaps it's squares on the three arms of the cross and not circles.
The bottom arm of the cross does not appear to have one attached? Perhaps linked to the salt of land of Sendivogius?

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae87/garvolt2002/original.png

Illen A. Cluf
10-22-2016, 02:58 PM
The copy I have is very poor quality so perhaps it's squares on the three arms of the cross and not circles.
The bottom arm of the cross does not appear to have one attached? Perhaps linked to the salt of land of Sendivogius?

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae87/garvolt2002/original.png

That's an unusual symbol. The closest it comes to is the symbol for virdigris. What is the context?

Kiorionis
10-22-2016, 07:04 PM
does this help?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/19/2b/a6/192ba6b3d5f9515fe8ae7defe06a3dce.jpg

garvolt2002
10-22-2016, 08:16 PM
does this help?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/19/2b/a6/192ba6b3d5f9515fe8ae7defe06a3dce.jpg

It's certainly close and points to what I am working on but what make this symbol so different from any other I've seen is the small circles on the arms of the cross.

elixirmixer
10-23-2016, 04:51 AM
This first picture you drew represents 'Malkuth' or 'The Kingdom' in the Qabalah. It is the Sephiroth which represents the senses; the bio-mechanical expression of touch, smell, sound, ect.. in which our world incarnates, which is within the context of the 4 elements, which are the four sections in your picture. I would then assume that the small circles are simple then, instead of being the fire, air, water, earth principles, they are instead representative of Dry/Wet/Hot/Cold.

Of course, symbology is most often subject to miss-interpretations.

However, to me this image represents our physical world, divided into the four elements and four qualities.

zoas23
10-23-2016, 07:16 AM
This first picture you drew represents 'Malkuth' or 'The Kingdom' in the Qabalah. It is the Sephiroth which represents the senses; the bio-mechanical expression of touch, smell, sound, ect.. in which our world incarnates, which is within the context of the 4 elements, which are the four sections in your picture. I would then assume that the small circles are simple then, instead of being the fire, air, water, earth principles, they are instead representative of Dry/Wet/Hot/Cold.

Of course, symbology is most often subject to miss-interpretations.

However, to me this image represents our physical world, divided into the four elements and four qualities.

Malkuth is often represented as a circle and a cross. Your interpretation is possible, but quite uncertain (I had the same interpretation though). It CAN be a symbol for malkuth with a minor variation.
A wider context may help to identify the symbol.
The idea of Malkuth is possible, but quite uncertain.

I.e, what Illen says makes sense too... and it's something completely different... but without a proper context, it get VERY hard (or impossible) to "guess".

It's very much like showing a triangle and asking what it means in a specific text that nobody knows which one it is.

Michaelis Vallachus
10-23-2016, 09:34 AM
in general, cross and circles are linked to acids or corrosive substances. my money is spiritus vitrioli.
but people here are right, we need to context. it s like trying to find out how to pronounce the letters GH in English: in the word LAUGHTER it s the sound F, in Ben ghazi its the sound G and in SLAUGHTER its no sound at all.

Once we know other symbols from the manuscript we can correctly place it.

garvolt2002
10-24-2016, 08:07 PM
Found this on the alchemical website. It's the cross with four circles but minus the outside circle. This part is called mercury quicksilver ?
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/val_symb.html