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Ree
02-03-2009, 11:46 PM
I recently read an interesting interpretation of the Ouroborus ( snake eating its tail or worm eatings it tail) and it suggeested that in Alchemy "Spiritual Physcology"

that this is actually when you are in a brain loop of thought.. going around in circles no way in and no way out....... i thought that was kind of interesting
just thought i would share that one explaination ;)

Awani
02-04-2009, 04:39 PM
Yeah, that could be one take on it... sure!

:D

solomon levi
10-28-2010, 08:22 PM
Great. I'm glad I looked a bit before starting a thread on this.
Yes, it is exactly a loop, but also more... it is the loop of all loops,
not just a loop of thought. It is fractal in nature, so containing any loop we can imagine/experience -
loops of time/frequency.

Consider the EM spectrum:
http://www.windows2universe.org/sun/spectrum/multispectral_sun_overview.html
http://www.copperalliance.net/IndexPageGraphics/ElectroMagneticSpectrum.html

and now join the ends into a loop/ouroboros, recognizing that the infinitely small is the same as the infinitely large.
This Ouroboros is the universe, infinity; and any way it is divided becomes another loop/Ouroboros reality.
Consider that "matter" is a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream....

Reference my post in this thread:
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1765-Eleusinian-Mysteries-DMT

So the dreaming can go centripetal or centrifugal, smaller or larger.
One can't really identify/define the source - where the "head" of the serpent is- because of the fractal nature.
But as far as we are concerned, one defines it by where one's attention is concentrated:
again, solve/coagula... diffusion/concentration... de-emphasize/emphasize...

The invention of "purpose" intends the 'head'/particle/coagula of the serpent/wave/solve.
Said in other words, the appearance of the observer collapses infinity into an event (the observed).

To perceive the connectedness, the oneness of the different manifestations or degrees of frequency/vibration...
to realize you are dreaming, and you are the dream... The dream dreaming itself...
That "events" are places where time loops intersect/interact...
That the Ouroboros/serpent is dreaming the worlds into being where one portion of the spectrum of
frequency/time interacts with another portion of itself at a different freq/time...

Can you see it? Can you feel it?

When you perceive this interconnection, then you are unable to believe in division, unable to judge anything...
you connect to the whole and all there is is variety, differences... not good or bad or better...
Jacob's ladder can be translated as being hierarchical, but it is not so in itself - that is a projection.
It's really a loop without beginning or end. However it "began", there is no use searching for the beginning now...
there isn't one; it stretches fractally up and down, as above so below, as below so above... infinite smallness in the black hole
being one side of the cloth - infinite largeness of the telstar/white hole being the other.
To "invent"/imagine a beginning/source is to define a dream/world from one's present perspective.

From what I can see, the loop is closed by the dream meeting itself...
imagine the infinitely small dreaming larger and larger...
quarks dreaming together to make protons... dreaming together to make atoms... dreaming together to make hydrocarbons...
dreaming together to make proteins... dreaming together to make DNA... dreaming together to make plants, animals, humans...
in the human self-reflection is possible and consciousness can recognize itself as the part and the whole as i am describing now.
This closes the loop - the head bites the tail - man (manifestation) "knows himself" as "God" (the whole); he wakes up from sleep
and participates as co-creator of the dream.

solomon levi
11-02-2010, 01:22 AM
These are really the most significant words i have ever written.
This "thing" is the Emerald Tablet's one thing:
"And as all things have been arose from one by the mediation of one:
so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation."

Like the fish not knowing what water is, this is our medium, this Ouroboros.
We are the river and the fish. Where shall we cast our nets?

Aleilius
11-02-2010, 01:41 AM
These are really the most significant words i have ever written.
This "thing" is the Emerald Tablet's one thing:
"And as all things have been arose from one by the mediation of one:
so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation."

Like the fish not knowing what water is, this is our medium, this Ouroboros.
We are the river and the fish. Where shall we cast our nets?
Yes, this part of the ET is really quite significant. The one creates, molds, and shapes reality throughout one's journey, but this is only the tip of the iceberg. The end is the beginning, and the beginning is the end. We seek after God in an externalized sense that is apart from one's own being, but this mentality strips us of our true nature/inheritance. We seek for truth eternal in the world of the external, but this is folly: truth eternal is internal. We only need to look within to see the full totality of without. The Kingdom of God is within. We are what we seek.

The true goal of the Great Work is the revelation of the complete, and total externalization of the supreme Word. Solve et coagula! Rectify, rectify, rectify, and rectify again.

Man, know thyself!

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/Magickiana-1.jpg

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/foola-0.jpg

theFool
11-02-2010, 01:17 PM
I like those tarot card representations, a lot of symbolism and intuition is involved. Does anyone (Aleilius) has a link for me to see the rest of them also? thanks

solomon levi
11-02-2010, 09:43 PM
The most significant words I was referring to are those on the EM spectrum/Ouroboros and
following the thread of connection from human being to cell to DNA to atoms to light,
and realizing you are the whole spectrum - that your focal point can shift from one realm to another,
or to the whole Ouroboros.
The Emerald Tablet is just one item that refers to it.
The Australian aborigines call it the Rainbow Serpent and it dreams the world into being.
In the "Wingmakers" thread/info they call it LERM - light encoded reality matrix.
Cleopatra saw it as Ouroboros and wrote "En ta pan" - One the All.
Acts 17:28 calls it "Him in which we live and move and have our being."
It is also known as the Ten Commandments (emanations) or Tree of Life in both
Jewish Kabbalah and Toltec sorcery (the Eagle's emanations/commands; also the Wheel of Time)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/387479/Carlos-Castaneda-Missing-Chapter-From-Carlos-Castanedas-Eagles-Gift
In Central and South America it was Quetzalcoatl - the Plumed Serpent
(the plumes represent the fractal nature, and a combination of serpent and eagle).


If people could witness this first-hand, besides being able to manipulate matter, it would
unify people and transcend religion: every religion is about connecting with this One Thing.
Every book i ever read, and there have been hundreds... my whole life studying the occult,
the metaphysical, etc... I was looking for this experience. I wish my words could translate
it to you all. If you follow the progression from quarks to self, or self to quarks, that covers
a large portion of the spectrum - enough to let you see the whole Ouroboros. Remember, the
infinitely large is the same as the infinitely small. I expect that people can follow this description
with a dream-like attention and see the connection with the All. That's how i do it.
And if you can SEE the river/Ouroboros, you can then ENTER into it and travel.

When you see the connection, you may also see the dreaming. For example, on the DNA level,
you see DNA is collectively dreaming as plants, animals, humans, etc. But in the Ouroboros,
you can reverse the stream and dream the DNA - heal your body, access "junk DNA",
replicate DNA of a specific intent...
Or on a photon level you can experience your light body and place a dream in it that will precipitate
into mass...
Or you can experience being a planet, a solar system, a galaxy...

Everything is there, at hand.
I can't imagine anything more significant to become acquainted with.

From Castaneda's "The Eagle's Gift":
"When I talk about time, I am not referring to something which is measured by the movement of a clock. Time is the essence of attention; the Eagle's emanations are made out of time; and properly, when one enters into any aspect of the other self, one is becoming acquainted with time.
The wheel of time is like a state of heightened awareness which is part of the other self, as the left side awareness is part of the self of everyday life. It can physically be described as a tunnel of infinite length and width; a tunnel with reflective furrows. Every furrow is infinite, and there are infinite numbers of them. Living creatures are compulsorily made, by the force of life, to gaze into one furrow. To gaze into it means to be trapped by it, to live that furrow.
Will belongs to the wheel of time. It is something like the runner of a vine, or an intangible tentacle which all of us possess. A warrior's final aim is to learn to focus it on the wheel of time in order to make it turn. Warriors who have succeeded in turning the wheel of time can gaze into any furrow and draw from it whatever they desire. To be trapped compulsorily in one furrow of time entails seeing the images of that furrow only as they recede. To be free from the spellbinding force of those grooves means that one can look in either direction, as images recede or as they approach."

solomon levi
11-02-2010, 09:46 PM
I like those tarot card representations, a lot of symbolism and intuition is involved. Does anyone (Aleilius) has a link for me to see the rest of them also? thanks

I'm pretty sure that's the Crowley deck if you want to google it.
Here's a link to some pics:
http://www.google.com/images?q=crowley+tarot&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&rlz=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=TIbQTPPAGoyisAPDma2lAg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CDcQsAQwAg

solomon levi
11-02-2010, 10:05 PM
What also amazes me is the universality of the eagle and serpent, and the tree.
I've been familiar with Castaneda's books for over twenty years and i never connected his
Eagle's emanations with our/alchemy's eagle. But if you recall the mythology -

Eagle = Jupiter, Zeus, Ammon, Jehovah, Enlil, Perun...

When Moses smoked some "burning bush" and ascended a mountain (got high),
he spoke with god/Jehovah/"I am that i am"/the connectedness/Ouroboros... he had this vision
that i am describing. And he came down from the mountain (high) with 10 commandments -
the vision of the Eagle's/Jehovah's 10 commands/emanations/sephiroth.

http://livingjourney.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/serpenttreeoflife.jpg


Astral view of the atom - as above so below with above serpent-tree pic:

http://www.vanamaliashram.org/Leadb-Rainbows2.jpg

solomon levi
11-04-2010, 09:00 PM
The second most significant thing i can say, IMO, is that we needn't search out the source,
which was the impression I always had.
If there ever was a source, origin, an "in the beginning", it is no more.
Or if it still is, it cannot be reached from the Ouroboros.

In the Ouroboros, each "level" is a new world (Malkuth) and contains the whole,
so wherever you are dreaming from is a source, equal to any other source.
In other words, you don't have to go somewhere else, raise your vibrations, climb Jacob's Ladder, etc, to enter the stream.
It really is fractal and holographic - the part contains the whole. You are the dreaming now.
This is one of the reasons mercury was chosen to represent Ouroboros/Universal substance:
If you shake mercury, in vinegar for example, you can get it to separate into numerous spheres,
and you can see in each a mirror refelction of yourself - the hologram.
http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/12/78/17/61/th/pict0712.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=379&u=12781761)

It is also fluid, running: mercury = running (curr - current, etc) sea (mer).
So in mercury we have numerous water correspondences because of the fluidity, the waves;
Castaneda called it "the dark sea of awareness".
The serpent is another symbol because of movement and waves (frequency).

What III called "that which is conscious of itself" I like to call the dreaming.
The dreaming is different (I should probably say "can be differentiated") from the dreamer or the dreamed which are specialised or determined.
But in truth, you are the dreaming, the dreamer and the dreamed, simultaneously.

http://thumb9.shutterstock.com.edgesuite.net/display_pic_with_logo/102951/102951,1185020995,2/stock-photo-stylized-fractal-tree-4013350.jpg

Is this not also what we see when we split an atom?


http://www.tarotpedia.com/wiki/images/thumb/e/e0/22_3.jpg/250px-22_3.jpg

solomon levi
08-02-2013, 12:03 AM
When you contemplate the unknown, the bigger picture, our potential, etc, the microcosm is penetrating the macrocosm. The macrocosm is also giving birth to the microcosm, which is then penetrating/impregnating the macrocosm, which then gives birth to a wiser version of microcosm, which is still the body of that same not so wise microcosm, which is also the body of the macrocosm...

Astarte
10-22-2013, 02:21 AM
The Dragon (Ouroborus) impregnates, or nourishes itself with its own material essence (body) eventually becoming nothing but spiritual essence (head). The flesh transmutated into spirit. Jung says in Mysterium Coniunctionis:
"The latter may well derive from the fact that the seat of the Urobouros is in the tail of the dragon. Sulphur is the masculine element par excellence, the "sperma homogeneum"; and since the dragon is said to "impregnate himself", his tail is the masculine and his mouth the feminine organ. Like Beya [soror mystica]*, who engulfed her brother in her own body and dissolved him into atoms, the dragon devours himself from the tail upward until his whole body has been swallowed into his head. ... The dragon whose nature sulphur shares is often spoken of as the "dragon of Babel" or, more accurately, the "dragon's head" (caput draconis), which is a "most pernicious poison," a poisonous vapour breathed out by the flying dragon. The dragon's head "comes with great swiftness from Babylon." However, the "winged dragon" that stands for quicksilver[Mercurius/unity of oppositions/integration of unconscious numinous content into the consciousness]* becomes a poison-breathing monster only after its union with the "wingless dragon," which corresponds to sulphur. Sulphur here plays an evil role that accords well with the sinful "Babel." Futhermore, this dragon is equated with the human-headed serpent of paradise, which had the "imago et similitudo Dei" in its head, this being the deeper reason why the dragon devours its hated body. "His head lives in eternity, and therefore it is called glorious life, and the angels serve him." (Mysterium Coniunctionis, III.140-III.141)

...

"The serpent rejoicing in itself" (luxurians in se ipso) is the Democritean physis (natura) "which embraces itself" and is symbolized by the uroboros of Greek alchemy, a well-known emblem of Mercurius. It is the union of opposites par excellence and an alchemical verion of the proverb: les extremes se touchent. The uroboros symbolizes the goal of the process but not the beginning, the massa confusa or chaos, for this is characterized not by the union of the elements but by their conflict. The expression "giving birth in a single day" (in uno die parturiens) likewise refers to Mercurius, since he (in the form of the lapis) was named "the son of one day". (Mysterium Coniunctionis VI.718)


Thus, in my understanding, there are two seemingly, but not really, contradictory explanations of the Ouroboros - one which sees the process of the devouring of the tail as an infinite loop - a never ending unity of opposites - material/spiritual unity - almost Buddhist in that it seeks to unify the here and now of material reality with spiritual consciousness - the other which sees the process of devouring to its final end leaving - the obliteration of the material body with only the spiritual "head" remaining which contains the image of God inside of it - hence the "God Head".
* = my note

solomon levi
10-24-2013, 05:36 PM
i've seen nothing to indicate an end. i can't imagine no options, save to say that no options is all options potentially and actually.
we cannot exist in a universe of no options/endings. we exist, therefore the option existed.
we can say the option didn't always exist but evolved into an option, but that's the same thing as saying it was potentially an option,
thus an option. :) the end is a return is a new beginning is a...

Astarte
10-24-2013, 08:06 PM
i've seen nothing to indicate an end. i can't imagine no options, save to say that no options is all options potentially and actually.
we cannot exist in a universe of no options/endings. we exist, therefore the option existed.
we can say the option didn't always exist but evolved into an option, but that's the same thing as saying it was potentially an option,
thus an option. :) the end is a return is a new beginning is a...

The Symbology of the Ouroboros is multi-layered. In the case of the end I mentioned, the Dragon devours its own tail until only the head remains, this has the explicit meaning of the flesh body being consumed as nourishment for the "head" wherein resides the seat of the "image of God", or "imago et similitudo Dei" ("image and likeness of God") which means the matter body is consumed/worn out/putrified/aged/degraded in the process of the cooking of the lapis that is philosopher's stone of enlightenment or ascendancy to daemon existence which is symbolized by only "head" remaining. Who is to say the symbology can only have the singular meaning of the tail stuck in the snake's mouth, statically, for all eternity - to me that symbolism seems like an infinite loop of repeating matter existence/lives - never shaking off the fetters of matter, but always repeating material lives - this is so because it is the body (material) being consumed by the head (material vessel wherein resides scintilla/imago et similitudo Dei) - and thus it is a symbol of material vessel devouring itself to release the spiritual essence as anything which transcends matter reality would not even posses such a kind of material body.

Lo!
12-28-2013, 07:36 AM
Please correct me if I'm wrong, Astarte, but it seems as though the interpretation of a perpetual devouring may seem static to you because you're viewing it in light of microcosm only (man and his destiny). I see this symbol as representing not only the progress of all things, but also the nature of the entire macrocosm. The tail remaining in the mouth doesn't necessarily communicate a static, repetitive pattern but could instead be communicating a qualitative fact. Not necessarily "the destiny of man is so," but "the nature of the universe is such."