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Awani
12-25-2008, 01:35 AM
This is a Phoenix-thread (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=7) from the old site (http://alchemy-forums.forumotion.com/forum.htm).

The Bible has already been dealt with here and there in various topics, but I though I'd get a thread going dedicated to this great book! Now when I say great don't get me wrong... I am not a creationist, nor a Christian. I fact I loath religion with all my heart!

I think the Bible is a misunderstood alchemical text! It is actually filled to the brim with alchemical subtexts, of which my personal favourite is in Genesis 32:30:

And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Anyone else see the alchemical aspects of the Bible... and if so give some examples.

The Bible (KJV) (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/index.htm)
When Jesus turned water into wine was that not transmutation?
How about the Bread and Fish miracle?
Oh there is thousands of passages worthy of discussion... I am about to go to bed... but feel free to interpret and bring up questions/answers/ideas regarding the alchemical allegories of the Bible in this topic and I will give you my 2 cents at a later date... and I am sure other members might as well.

Jesus was for sure an Alchemist - and even if he wasn't a real person of flesh and blood he is still a mirror image of Hermes.
I feel that it is completely possible. Using alchemy as a means of spiritual refinement to obtain the prima materia(Divine Spirit), as I mentioned in my introduction, I am new and still learning, as far as practical alchemy goes, I might get into on the journey but not a main focus now. And as far as the bible is concerned I think a great deal of it involves alchemy (Jesus' miracles, resurection, ascension (Sp?))) and I find the whole thing fascinating. That and the church kind of scares me, I am not a church goer and I don't plan on it, completely an independant practitioner. I would love anyone and everyones ideas and opinions on this topic so PLEASE feel free to say anything!
The problem with the Bible is that there are so many versions and really the KJV is a bad one to use since it has been so heavily diluted... the Gnostic texts are of course very interesting.

Anyway for me the alchemical process is deeply connected with DNA and the microcosm of ourselves (and the macrocosm without), and a lot of this can be found in GENE-sis!

Tie this in with Jacob's Ladder, the double-helix and the pineal gland and the plot thickens...

By the way have you noticed Balinas and the similarities he has with Jesus?
I just recieved from a source, Alchemylab , that Psalms 19 is the Alchemic Psalm, and that the ten commandments are potentially alchemic instructions and, according to some sources, the emerald tablet was given to Miriam, Moses' sister. Interesting, no?
Yes it is. The link that Moses got the Emerald Tablet comes from Freud I think... so it is just a theory... although it doesn't mean it is wrong.

Have a look at this post: Seven (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=6)

Half way into the first post of this topic there are some stuff on the Lord's Prayer that you might enjoy!
Completely awesome and interesting. Very intriguing I find. Thanks so very much!

...Psalms 19 is the Alchemic Psalm...
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, [and] rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth [is] from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. The law of the LORD [is] perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD [is] sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD [are] right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD [is] pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the LORD [is] clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD [are] true [and] righteous altogether. More to be desired [are they] than gold, yea, than much fine gold: [i]sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: [and] in keeping of them [there is] great reward. Who can understand [his] errors? cleanse thou me from secret [faults]. Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous [sins]; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.I have always liked the Bee symbolisms... often found in Freemasonry, but I wonder if it can be found/applied in the symbolic world of Alchemy?

Look HERE (http://z.about.com/d/altreligion/1/0/8/B/5/texthiramiclegend.jpg) (bottom left)

Link:
Freemasonry & Bees [link broken, google it]
The Symbolism Of The Beehive And The Bee (http://mill-valley.freemasonry.biz/worrel/beehive.htm)
The Bible is definitely interesting and most, if not all, great alchemists use Biblical or Christian symbolism. This is an area of love-hate relationship for me, especially the Old Testament, for an example I would seriously doubt that if God exists he would require people to read rather obscure old tales of Jewish folklore and judge according to scholarship in that area. The real value lies in wisdom and inspiration that can come from the Bible, among other things. There's definitely great source of wisdom in the Old Testament but at the same time I believe it's riddled with general human ignorance. The New Testament seems much clearer, since Christ is pretty clear overall.

I consider the Old Testament, and the God therein, to have a sense of the old grim god Saturn of law, bringer of restriction (actually, the Old Testament is partly just the old law-book of the Jews) while the New Testament represents the Sun, that dies and is reborn, in the form of Christ who brings salvation.

ScalerWave
06-07-2011, 11:28 PM
Also....the way I see it, Jesus as he is presented, is the "Red Lion".

Quote from "Secret Teachings of All Ages" Chapter - Mystic Christianity

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta44.htm

"Jesus was reared and educated by the Essenes and later initiated into the most profound of their Mysteries. Like all great initiates, He must travel in an easterly direction, and the silent years of His life no doubt were spent in familiarizing Himself with that secret teaching later to be communicated by Him to the world. Having consummated the ascetic practices of His order, He attained to the Christening. Having thus reunited Himself with His own spiritual source, He then went forth in the name of the One who has been crucified since before the worlds were and, gathering about Him disciples and apostles, He instructed them in that secret teaching which had been lost--in part, at least--from the doctrines of Israel. His fate is unknown, but in all probability He suffered that persecution which is the lot of those who seek to reconstruct the ethical, philosophical, or religious systems of their day."

"Although early Christianity shows every evidence of Oriental influence, this is a subject the modern church declines to discuss. If it is ever established beyond question that Jesus was an initiate of the pagan Greek or Asiatic Mysteries, the effect upon the more conservative members of the Christian faith is likely to be cataclysmic. If Jesus was God incarnate, as the solemn councils of the church discovered, why is He referred to in the New Testament as "called of God an high prim after the order of Melchizedek"? The words "after the order" make Jesus one of a line or order of which there must have been others of equal or even superior dignity. If the "Melchizedeks" were the divine or priestly rulers of the nations of the earth before the inauguration of the system of temporal rulers, then the statements attributed to St. Paul would indicate that Jesus either was one of these "philosophic elect" or was attempting to reestablish their system of government. It will be remembered that Melchizedek also performed the same ceremony of the drinking of wine and the breaking of bread as did Jesus at the Last Supper.

George Faber declares the original name of Jesus was Jescua Hammassiah. Godfrey Higgins has discovered two references, one in the Midrashjoholeth and the other in the Abodazara (early Jewish commentaries on the Scriptures), to the effect that the surname of Joseph's family was Panther, for in both of these works it is stated that a man was healed "in the name of Jesus ben Panther." The name Panther establishes a direct connection between Jesus and Bacchus--who was nursed by panthers and is sometimes depicted riding either on one of these animals or in a chariot drawn by them. The skin of the panther was also sacred in certain of the Egyptian initiatory ceremonials. The monogram IHS, now interpreted to mean Iesus Hominum Salvator (Jesus Savior of Men), is another direct link between the Christian and the Bacchic rites. IHS is derived from the Greek ΥΗΣ, which, as its numerical value (608) signifies, is emblematic of the sun and constituted the sacred and concealed name of Bacchus. (See The Celtic Druids by Godfrey Higgins.) The question arises, Was early Roman Christianity confused with the worship of Bacchus because of the numerous parallelisms in the two faiths? If the affirmative can be proved, many hitherto incomprehensible enigmas of the New Testament will be solved."