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Awani
12-29-2016, 01:25 AM
This is my current perspective on the human experience. This is a report, not a decree... not a truth that I claim to be the law. So if you disagree that is fine, it will not affect my relationship with myself one bit. :) I could have posted this in the thread Is Enlightenment a Trap? (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4778-Is-enlightenment-a-trap), but I felt that this was a distinct view on the matter and I wanted its own thread... but they could be merged if a mod feels the need... again it won't make a bit of difference to me. He he.

There is no such thing as achieving enlightenment. Anyone who claims to have achieved it reveal, in stating such a thing, to in fact not be enlightened at all. We do not need gurus, we need witnesses… and I am a witness; a witness to the awesomeness of what I call the Light. I am a witness to the Divine Mystery.

I am on the path of enlightenment, but I will not get there… why would I need to go to a place that I am already in? Why would I travel to Paris if I live in Paris? That does not make sense.

To be on the Parisian path, to speak allegorically, might be to eat freshly baked baguettes every morning, walk along the Seine shopping for street art or find romance… this is to be on the Parisian path (at least in the stereotypical sense). So no I will not travel to enlightenment, rather I am simply walking the path of enlightenment.

To walk the path does not imply that I am enlightened in this current manifestation, although in some way I am (as are you).

It is my belief that we all entered life as enlightened beings (to some degree), but here in this game of reality we have limited ourselves to the human form. When we die we will merge, return if you will, to this higher state.

This higher state is always with us. If you are quiet you can hear it speak. If you stop looking you might see it. It is there. That true voice that feels like some sort of guide, some fairy godmother. That thing that you most of the time might ignore, especially when you know it was a bad idea not to listen to it. That voice. That being. That is you. It was always you.

My perspective is more about remembering enlightenment, rather than achieving it. That feat has already been accomplished pre-birth, but like any skill it deteriorates if not put to use. This is what happens when you grow up… you kind of grow down.

If I can manifest this higher state of being whilst still be in this material form I will achieve what could be called the Alchemical Wedding; and the consummation of the marriage will be my physical death.

So why are we even here on this Earth? What is the point? Why do we put ourselves through this experience if we are at one with the eternal Light?

It would be silly for me to claim an answer, and even sillier if I would listen to someone else give this answer, because we simply do not know. However my faith is in the Divine Mystery: that unknowable, yet – especially – in death, very familiar Light.

I know that I do not know.

There is awe in seeing the Mystery for what it is: a mystery, but it can also be horrible to gaze into this abyss because – like Nietzsche writes in his book Beyond Good and Evil: “…the abyss also gazes into you.”

The Divine Mystery is very much in the know of you and me, even if we might be in the dark of it. You might be concerned about the NSA or the CIA spying on you, but what you should really be concerned about is the “fact” that the Divine Mystery is keeping a very loving eye on your heart. All the time.

I view life as a Cosmic School and we are its students. The aim is to become Love in all its aspects. This is the ultimate feat and much harder than these words make it out to be.

Some might even view it as New Age mumbo-jumbo, which is fine… but do not come running to me when you discover that you will get an F.

Language is a double-edged sword. It is very handy for communication, but words can create confusion and such an over-exposed, and over-used, word as Love has a great deal of baggage. I am not interested in semantics. When you have seen, felt and heard true Love there is no doubt. There is no question. There is no confusion. There is no fear. There is only awe.

And there is only one thing you can do: serve

It is not easy, but even when only partially accomplished it is utterly glorious. And I am not talking about simply the love of another. I am talking about complete, unconditional love for everything… even the man who raped and killed your little new born child. Even for that person.

If you can reach such a state of love you will become an Angel of the Divine Mystery here on Earth… and such a level of love is feared, because human beings fear that which has no fear. Like Jesus they will probably kill you, which is fine because as Jesus said in Luke 23:34 [KJV]: “for they know not what they do.”

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/cosmic-angel_zps7gxuouch.jpg

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Kiorionis
12-29-2016, 02:00 AM
Not a bad report, dev, I enjoyed it.



It is my belief that we all entered life as enlightened beings (to some degree), but here in this game of reality we have limited ourselves to the human form. When we die we will merge, return if you will, to this higher state.

Limitations! :cool:

Illen A. Cluf
12-29-2016, 02:30 AM
Very nicely said, Dev! I agree almost completely.

Andro
12-29-2016, 07:37 AM
Nice as far as words can go, however I have a few (i.e. not many :)) reservations:

1. Yes, we are already 'IT'. No need to look/search for what we already ARE. So why 'go to school' to 'forget' and re-remember?

2. After countless 'flight hours', at least in my experience, physical death only removes the physical form/vehicle/environment from the equation. The rest remains pretty much the same.

If you die an asshole, you will continue to be an asshole after physical death, unless you have some specific postmortem experiences or realizations.

And even such realizations don't automatically guarantee 'returning' to that state.

Also, if we have to refer to IT as a 'higher' state, we're still in the game. The is no higher/lower in Being. There is no hierarchy if all there is = All There Is (Truth/Light/Love/Beauty/s'All Good/etc...).

3. A genuine guru/'teacher' (quite hard to locate one) can 'teach' via presence & induction, but not via imparting information.

Awani
12-29-2016, 02:16 PM
Not a bad report, dev, I enjoyed it.


Very nicely said, Dev! I agree almost completely.


Nice as far as words can go.

Thanks.


So why 'go to school' to 'forget' and re-remember?

Why dream if you are sleeping, why dream if they are just dreams, why dream if you forget them, why dream if it is just fantasies? Same thing. Another "answer" to this is here below:


If you die an asshole, you will continue to be an asshole after physical death, unless you have some specific postmortem experiences or realisations.

Yes, that is why we are in Earth School... however I don't think you are as big an asshole in death as in life... more like "ok you are a nice guy, but as soon as you are placed in physical form you become a dickhead... so do it some more so you clean up your act and can join the real party".

But I don't know. This is just my conclusions based on my own experiences.


...if we have to refer to IT as a 'higher' state, we're still in the game...

Only in relative relation to the monkey in clothes form. But the subtext of what I wrote also imply we are already in the high state (which are words to describe a state)... call it Angel State or whatever. Or "it". Higher State is just words to describe the Enlightened Body of Light or whatever you want to call it. It is a "higher" form than our current one, even if it is part of us internally/inter-dimensionally at all times.

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Awani
12-29-2016, 02:33 PM
...we're still in the game...

Also "game" is a word. Makes it easy to explain/understand reality. But I don't think it is the best word.

It implies any sort of game, but I think this game is "limited" to being an "education game in the form of an emotion simulator".

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/emotion%20simulator%20game_zpsbvvq7l9b.jpg


I have a few (i.e. not many :)) reservations:

Anything I say is a reservation. ;)

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Andro
12-29-2016, 02:41 PM
But WHY?

(if we already ARE "it" to begin with)


I think this game is "limited" to being an "education game in the form of an emotion simulator".

'Education' FOR WHAT?

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/Earth%20Addict_zpspmbdexar.jpg

Awani
12-29-2016, 02:46 PM
'Education' FOR WHAT?

You know a language that you knew before you could write or read this language, so why do you feel a need to learn to write and read it? Sure, society/parents forced you to go to school and learn this... but if you had free will would you learn it or is it enough for you to just be able to speak it?

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Andro
12-29-2016, 03:19 PM
You know a language that you knew before you could write or read this language, so why do you feel a need to learn to write and read it? Sure, society/parents forced you to go to school and learn this... but if you had free will would you learn it or is it enough for you to just be able to speak it?

Point being?


Also "game" is a word. Makes it easy to explain/understand reality. But I don't think it is the best word.

Anything I say is a reservation.

Maybe 'Reservation' is a better term than 'Game' :)

And (maybe) an even better term to describe it would be 'Loosh-Harvesting Farm (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3897-Tom-s-Big-TOE&p=38825#post38825)'...

Awani
12-29-2016, 03:55 PM
Point being?

I guess it was missed.


And (maybe) an even better term to describe it would be 'Loosh-Harvesting Farm (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3897-Tom-s-Big-TOE&p=38825#post38825)'...

I don't think that. This is fear-based philosophy / victim mentality.

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Andro
12-29-2016, 05:16 PM
This is fear-based philosophy / victim mentality.

No it isn't. It's just simple, basic food-chain mechanics/dynamics.

As we eat, so are we also eaten.

Some people believe they're not eaten.

Apparently, they cannot see the game/farm-coded correlation between emotional stimuli and food (Loosh) production. Any potential/voltage eventually becomes dinner.

Thus, stuck in endless loops of 'becoming' and 'attaining', we do and keep doing.

Until we don't anymore, that is, and finally are.

Awani
12-29-2016, 05:42 PM
Well yes I agree when you phrase it like this. But I still think that the "loop" is self-inflicted in the sense that when "graduation" is complete there will be no more loops. I am not saying I will graduate when I die, that would be a ludicrous statement. But I am not saying I will not either. And unless you die around the same time (depending on if you graduate or not, and we meet) I can let you know for sure what happened. ;)

But I don't think the eat/farm metaphor is completely accurate in the sense that it is too dualistic. Yes something has to die in order for something to live. But there is also something that cannot die, cannot live... something that just "is".

This "is" is what we are. This is the "higher spirit" I mentioned earlier. Call it what you want.

So when I die, regardless if I reincarnate or not, it is simply a matter of changing forms more than dying/living or eating/food or energy out/in. This "is" energy cannot change.


Until we don't anymore, that is, and finally are.

This is what I am talking about.

We already are. Perhaps this is what you mean when you talk about liberation or stop playing. But my angle is that we already are liberated, and by trying to stop playing we are playing. And by playing we will actually seize to play, if we play our cards right that is.

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Andro
12-29-2016, 05:46 PM
We seem to be gradually coming to an agreement (it wouldn't be the first time it happens).

Perhaps a little more 'fine tuning' is required, but I have work now and will continue another day :)

Awani
12-30-2016, 11:16 AM
We seem to be gradually coming to an agreement (it wouldn't be the first time it happens).

Perhaps a little more 'fine tuning' is required...

Well it's due to the limit of words and from what perspective each party is approaching any subject.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/15401086_1125711810881905_4476301135615329360_n_zp szrnekd7r.jpg
"Unio Mystica" by Dutch artist Johfra Bosschart

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Awani
04-26-2017, 10:59 AM
Thus, stuck in endless loops of 'becoming' and 'attaining', we do and keep doing.

Until we don't anymore, that is, and finally are.

There is no escape. There might be escape from becoming reborn, but no escape from "the self (whatever form it is in)"... you speak about stop playing altogether, because you have had enough (sorry, paraphrasing your own words... might not be the right composition)... to become one with the UN-created etc.

But to me this sounds like some desire for escape, whatever language you want to use? Maybe not escape, but some sort of "getting away". I mean if God came down and told you that "you will be a human for another 1000 lives", then you would be a little annoyed right? If yes, then it means you want something to seize?

I think that the only way to make it stop, the only way to end the game, is to become one with it. One with the self. If I am in perfect harmony with myself and with the world I am living in, only then will the world (and me) become irrelevant... and dissolve.

I also do not think Love is what it is described in Loosh (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3897-Tom-s-Big-TOE&p=38825#post38825). Monroe does not know what he is talking about in my opinion. Lust, yes that works. Not Love. Not the way I see it, because the form of Love I am talking about does not demand anything. It does not require anything. You don't feel anything. This form of Love is something you are, not something you do or think or feel.

I am curious about what your view is on all this.

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