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Shroomyx
01-28-2017, 05:21 PM
Some thoughts about geometry or order and chaos in nature are sitting in my mind for a long time. I tried to make them as clear as possible and want to share them hoping you can proof, correct or maybe just enjoy them.

It started when I questioned myself "What is the most complex possible order?". First I thought about various patterns we found on earth or in the universe such us the planetary paths around the sun or even the pathss of all solar systems in our galaxy and so on since they must follow a special pattern to not crash into each other. Also there are various patters planets are creating if you look at them from a bigger distance and over a long period of time. To make clear what I mean some easy videos about Venus:

Venus Pentagram (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFDBeTdPKig)

Venus "flowers"
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cgQNUhtmHM)

Okay they seem to be acting on an intelligent pattern and I bet most of you will recognize the "sacred geometry". But back to topic: Those patterns are very easy! You can easily recreate them with a compass+ruler. Even if you dont get the full meaning of those patterns, the basic shape is very simple.
So what about smaller things? Let's look at plants and stones. You will never find an exact copy of a stone or plant on earth, they are all different even some of them have a more or less similiar soul, body and mind. But that's the thing, even if they appear varied, they also follow the same pattern.
Most of you know those patterns more or less but to make it more vivd:

Basic shapes of crstals
http://boomeria.org/chemtextbook/table16-1.jpg

Plants are fractals
http://www.filebuzz.com/software_screenshot/full/paprotka_screensaver-200451.png

Why do those things vary in their appearence when they all (meaning a certaint plant or stone or metal or whatever) have the same basic structure? (Additionally I have a question: Is the information of structure, the appearence of the salt, given from the sulfur or mercury? Is the structure a part of the soul expressed by the mind as the body?) Of course you could say "Plants vary in their DNA" but stones doesnt. So for me it's more the conditions under they (metals,stones,plants) grow since you can never create the same conditions. It starts in your mind: You have two seeds you want to plant but you look at them as two. So you seperate them and they will grow as two plants and not as one (if you have two exact copies of a plant it should be one plant existing twice). So do have plants personalities? And stones too? Maybe! Since they got a soul like us, why dont believe they also have various personalities? Maybe thats the reason why you cant create exact copies of plants?
Back to topic: The patterns f.e. plants follow seem to be (concerning a certaint species of plants) limited but also endless since they have different personalities. They all have more or less easy basic structures which you could recreate but due to their personalities they vary. So is the most complex pattern only possible to gain by giving basic patterns a soul?


Some additional thoughts:
Lets imagine an endless black room (f.e. the universe without anything inside) and an endless amount of dots.
1) Some would say the "highest order" is to arrange them all with a fixed distance to each other. But to be honest this isn't very hard to do if you have an infite amount of time.

2) So if you say "Let's make sure between two points is NEVER the same distance". This would be nearly impossible to do since you have no pattern to follow and maybe thats why it would be the most complex possible order (or even a chaos)?

3) And my last thought: What would happen if you throw those infinite dots randomly in the space? The answer would be awesome: Since they're infinite like they space they're into EVERY POSSIBLE PATTERN WILL BE SHOWN at a certain place. The amount of possibilities would be ENDLESS. To proof or show what I mean a short video: (sadly there was a better video about this but I couldnt find it anymore)

Typing monkey theorem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6zhR_0WiyQ)

BUT: First I thought 2) can be the same as 3) but it's not possible since in an endless amount of possibilites there will be dots with the exact same distance between each other.

So my conclusion: Is the most complex order given by pure randomness?


I hope you can follow my thoughts, it wasnt easy to explain myself but I tried my best.
So now go! Criticise or approve me!

Greetings
~Shroomyx

Ghislain
01-29-2017, 12:02 AM
Have you looked at crystal formation...especially Platonic Solids (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_solid)

Even we as humans develop our shape due to our environment; gravity dictates our bone structure. In space our bones start to deteriorate due to weightlessness.

You can take a cutting from a plant, therefore a clone, but it won't necessarily mimic its parent as it may be growing in different substrate or environment.

There are too many variables to find an answer to your question, but I agree with the most complex being total chaos.

Ghislain

Shroomyx
01-29-2017, 01:36 AM
Have you looked at crystal formation...especially Platonic Solids (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_solid)
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Of course I did! I love them.. Also Platon has connected them to 5 Elements.. Once I painted a picture of them which is now on the wall beside my microscope. (I can share it if wanted.)
There are SO MANY similiar patterns everywhere to find if u look closely and most of them follow similiar basic patterns (such as the golden ratio). But still they're all different. I love to think about it.

I love the fact that we think of the "highest order" and end with a total chaos. :D

~Shroomyx

Kiorionis
01-29-2017, 03:07 AM
I love the fact that we think of the "highest order" and end with a total chaos. :D

~Shroomyx

There are some members here who contribute it to the flow of Spirit (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4556-The-Flow-of-Spirit&highlight=Fractal).

Besides that thought, I like this :cool:

Shroomyx
01-29-2017, 04:49 PM
Nice I didnt read this thread before. Very good collection of examples.

Schmuldvich
01-29-2017, 06:53 PM
5 Elements.. Once I painted a picture of them which is now on the wall beside my microscope. (I can share it if wanted.)

Let's see 'em, Shroomy!

Shroomyx
01-29-2017, 08:23 PM
Is there an art thread were I can post them?

Andro
01-29-2017, 08:30 PM
Is there an art thread were I can post them?

Just create your own Art Thread in the forum's Art Section (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/forumdisplay.php?20-Art).

Shroomyx
01-29-2017, 09:37 PM
Done (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?5120-Art&p=47459#post47459)

Ghislain
01-29-2017, 10:50 PM
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There are SO MANY similiar patterns everywhere to find if u look closely and most of them follow similiar basic patterns (such as the golden ratio).


My spare room wall...

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/picture.php?albumid=25&pictureid=121

Shroomyx
01-29-2017, 11:00 PM
Very nice! I love Fibonaccis sequence!

Kiorionis
01-31-2017, 04:01 AM
My spare room wall.

I love it !