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lapisph
03-18-2017, 10:43 PM
Hello guys, I´ve been searching in the forum but I dont found any info about this... So i begin...

In Mexico there was a doctor Dr Jacobo Grinberg who studied the shamanism in the scientific view ( neuro psychophysiology).
He went with many shamans, but one of them had really amazing abilities; her name: Pachita.

She can materialize live organs and made operations with very prodigious facts!
Dr Jacobo postulated a quantum theory knows like syntergic theory trying to explain how Pachita alter the space/time to materialize "things" only with her will.

Theres an investigation that I read recently that in London some researches succeded with the "transmutation" of light into matter...

I dont know if its alter the space/time, or transmute the energy (maybe light (photons) into matter (atoms)... but only with the mind!

I´m fascinated with the real and unknown power of the mind...

So I would like to ask you: what do you know about the "materialization"?
Do you know other cases of this " Prodigious feats" ?


Greetings!

Kiorionis
03-19-2017, 02:26 PM
Hey there lapisph!

We've had some recent discussions on various parts of this (the real and unknown power of the mind), but not specifically about Dr. Jacobo's work. Unfortunately, I don't have much to add to it at the time.

However there are some threads which might interest you:

Musical Sublimation (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4730-Musical-Sublimation&highlight=musical+sublimation)
Time in Alchemy (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?5165-Time-in-Alchemy&highlight=musical+sublimation)
Alchemist's Mind Palace (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4814-Alchemist-s-Mind-Palace)
Solidification of Mercury (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3439-Solidification-of-Mercury)

lapisph
03-19-2017, 09:28 PM
Hey there lapisph!

We've had some recent discussions on various parts of this (the real and unknown power of the mind), but not specifically about Dr. Jacobo's work. Unfortunately, I don't have much to add to it at the time.

However there are some threads which might interest you:

Musical Sublimation (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4730-Musical-Sublimation&highlight=musical+sublimation)
Time in Alchemy (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?5165-Time-in-Alchemy&highlight=musical+sublimation)
Alchemist's Mind Palace (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4814-Alchemist-s-Mind-Palace)
Solidification of Mercury (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3439-Solidification-of-Mercury)

Hi Kiorionis
Oh, I still dont read those threads...

Thank you for the links and for your answer!

Quarrox
03-20-2017, 12:35 AM
Interesting topic. I cannot add anything to materialisation unfortunately. But i am sure that it has to do with quantum mechanics / theory. All kinds of psi-phenomenons like telepathy, bilocation, psychokinesis, pyrokinesis, levitation, materialisation, etc. must have to do with it.

So i am sorry that i cannot add something valuable to the topic, i just can tell an anecdote about psychokinesis:

More than once i borne witness when my wife moved objects. She cannot produce this effect voluntary or by choice. It does only happen when she enrages herself (luckily very seldom). One time the salad bowl spinned itself in front of us on the glass table. One time 360° clockwise, and then 360° counterclockwise. The other occasion was when we left an office with bad news, pretty pissed off, so we passed a magazine rack standing on a counter and it just fell over with a lot of noise.

Awani
03-20-2017, 12:38 AM
..."transmutation" of light into matter...

All matter is "light" in a sense. All matter is a thought made solid. Like when we have a dream. The dream is "air", but when you are dreaming it... then it is solid.

I am not sure the human mind can do this unless it connects with the source signal of the "higher mind" (or whatever you want to call it). And this is the reason why materialists who only believe in matter will never be able to see or experience or perform any such feats... because they have blocked the signal.

:cool:

lapisph
03-21-2017, 03:36 AM
Interesting topic. I cannot add anything to materialisation unfortunately. But i am sure that it has to do with quantum mechanics / theory. All kinds of psi-phenomenons like telepathy, bilocation, psychokinesis, pyrokinesis, levitation, materialisation, etc. must have to do with it.

So i am sorry that i cannot add something valuable to the topic, i just can tell an anecdote about psychokinesis:

More than once i borne witness when my wife moved objects. She cannot produce this effect voluntary or by choice. It does only happen when she enrages herself (luckily very seldom). One time the salad bowl spinned itself in front of us on the glass table. One time 360° clockwise, and then 360° counterclockwise. The other occasion was when we left an office with bad news, pretty pissed off, so we passed a magazine rack standing on a counter and it just fell over with a lot of noise.

You´re right, its a field of quantum mechanics and Dr. Grinberg said that the Lattice its altered by the shaman´s mind.

About your experiences with your wife, its very interesting what you said. There´s a case of Nina Kulagina, a women who moved objects when she had intense emotions; When she got very angry there was psychokinesis in the room.

Thank you Quarrox, for your answer and share the experience with your wife.

lapisph
03-21-2017, 03:48 AM
All matter is "light" in a sense. All matter is a thought made solid. Like when we have a dream. The dream is "air", but when you are dreaming it... then it is solid.

I am not sure the human mind can do this unless it connects with the source signal of the "higher mind" (or whatever you want to call it). And this is the reason why materialists who only believe in matter will never be able to see or experience or perform any such feats... because they have blocked the signal.

:cool:

I agree, everything is energy... in different vibration but all is energy.

And yes, it needs a higher mind to such power... Pachita was in trance when do that miraculous things. She said that "the brother Cuauhtemoc" (an ancient aztec emperor) made the materializations and all the healing process, because she cant do it.
She was acting like a medium. After the trance she cant remember anything of the things made by "Cuauhtemoc".
Dr. Grinberg said that her mind connects directly to the Lattice, and then she can alter it with her will...

Did you know another histories of materialization?

Thank you Dev!

Aham
03-21-2017, 11:48 AM
Did you know another histories of materialization?



lapisph,

Materialization is a somewhat common 'trick' manifested by some Indian Yogis. There was an individual called Sai Baba who made his mark by materializing various objects. The video discusses what he did for one of his interviewers a long time ago.

What I've generally heard is that there are quite a few ("quite a few" is relative) that can do but only a few that tend to demonstrate. I guess when you know how to materialize objects from thin air, you don't feel the need to prove it to yourself over and over again :)

Aham


http://www.dailymotion.com/cdn/manifest/video/xxkykx.m3u8?auth=1490268850-2562-6l7pkxu7-c127a0826629af04e4b1683dd7ccc1c8

Kiorionis
03-21-2017, 12:11 PM
lapisph,

Materialization is a somewhat common 'trick' manifested by some Indian Yogis. There was an individual called Sai Baba who made his mark by materializing various objects.

Which reminds me of the 'Miracle of the Mango Tree', in which a Yogi made manifest the whole tree from it's seed in a matter of hours.

lapisph
03-21-2017, 09:59 PM
lapisph,

Materialization is a somewhat common 'trick' manifested by some Indian Yogis. There was an individual called Sai Baba who made his mark by materializing various objects. The video discusses what he did for one of his interviewers a long time ago.

What I've generally heard is that there are quite a few ("quite a few" is relative) that can do but only a few that tend to demonstrate. I guess when you know how to materialize objects from thin air, you don't feel the need to prove it to yourself over and over again :)

Aham


http://www.dailymotion.com/cdn/manifest/video/xxkykx.m3u8?auth=1490268850-2562-6l7pkxu7-c127a0826629af04e4b1683dd7ccc1c8

Sai Baba... I would investigate... I knew of Milarepa (a tibetan yogi) who left a mark of his hand in a cave... Gregg Braden found the cave and the mark...
Yes, somebody with that power maybe dont be interested in prove it... others maybe yes, like the alchemists, to let some people know another truth beyond their minds...

Thank you Aham, for the info about Sai Baba.

lapisph
03-21-2017, 10:06 PM
Which reminds me of the 'Miracle of the Mango Tree', in which a Yogi made manifest the whole tree from it's seed in a matter of hours.

Oh... I hadn´t heard about "The Miracle of the Mango Tree"... I would investigate too, but i heard of the power of "fakirs". They can accelerate the growth of a seed...
There are a few stories of fakirs accelerate the growth of a seed in the book of Papus: "traité méthodique de magie pratique" or "Tratado elemental de magia practica"

Thank you for the info Kiorionis!!!

lapisph
03-25-2017, 04:37 AM
About the materialization... I read that in the Philadelphia experiment (Montauk project) John Von Neumann worked in some kind of machine... He could save thoughts in a computer and then materialize them... It sounds like 3D printer...
I dont have the sources where I read that text, and I dont know if it was real or dont...

Does anybody knows about this?

John Bane
10-02-2017, 11:55 AM
I am currently on this subject. Materialization and transmutation are the same for me. The most important factor behind successful results is the thought, an intention behind it. If you working with harmony to natural law - "all obscurity will flee from you" ;). I think that this is the true reason behind Emerald Tablet hidden meaning.
This must be a simple mechanics of it. If nothing is existing and everything become from ones contemplation, then mine contemplation is creation of everything as well. It's quite logical.

elixirmixer
10-02-2017, 10:59 PM
Manifestation...

I've always been pretty lucky, in that, even without a good background in magic, I've always had the ability to pray, and receive what I want.

Just yesterday, my friend of 13 years who is a complete nutcase, followed me to my town, moved here about 4 weeks ago and has been giving me grief. So I asked God (Jesus) to please take him away. Bang, he flips his car and crashes into two other cars, drunk as a skunk, and gets locked up. THE BERY SAME DAY!

Is this a coincidence?
Is it because of my prayer?
Are their multiply factors of which my prayer was only a part?

I think it's likely to be the last one.

I also did a hermetic meditation last night about growing closer with my wife. We then had the most amazing sex and she's been really nice to me ever since.

The power of the mind... it's real.

Axismundi000
10-03-2017, 08:04 AM
In terms of materialisation seeing a genii in the triangle of art or shewstone or mirror is visible but not necessarily material. Decades ago my first work at what could be called materialising things was about the acquisition of pussy using chaos magic techniques and was surprisingly effective and got me interested in magic more broadly. Things happening which could be coincidence or entities which are visible but not solidly material are I think different to these other examples given. I think the pinnacle of materialisation is the stone of the wise to which we all aspire in different ways and these other things are just cantrips and parlour tricks.

Chrysa Lead
11-01-2018, 12:45 AM
Very interesting thread !

Our mind is definitly a very strange and totaly unknowed "thing".
Since a very long time, I'm living strange experiences but because they are totaly involuntary, it's impossible to explain them. I can only discribe them and I would be very happy to meet a person who is able to control what is involontary for me ...

Since I drank an elixir I got by my Labora, I have new kind of experiences of materialization : by "sounds".

An example : in the streetcar.

I was thinking about something very special and I had some questions about it.
Soudainly, just near me a woman started to speak alone, loud enough to cach my attention.

Everybody was wondering : "what happens to this woman", then I realised she was answering to my questions !
I had a real conversation with "her" by asking my questions in my head, every time I got an answer from "her".

I'm using " " around her, because it was clearly not her who was speaking with me but "I don't know what" which was using her body to speak with me.

It happened too that I got answers directely from the streetcar's radio.
Soudaindely, no music anymore but someone who (like the woman) was answering to my questions.
It was not the voice of the radio host.

The persons around me was quite "disturbed" by thoses strange messages on the radio.

Another example : with my cats.

When they have a problem I get soudainly plants to heal them.
And they are growing very fast under the window of the room where I'm working my Labora.

Yes, I know, this is very strange ...

In the past, I had this experience : I made a "quantic jump" just by thinking "Oh I will be late".
I was driving to an appointement several hundred miles from home.
Then I realised that I was late (20mn).
Soudainely, I was driving exactely to the same place but 20mn before. It allowed me to be on time.

This jump through the time was totaly involontary.

It's only since few months that I got a way to make little jumps with a method which was used by Cagliostro.
When I got the information, I was thinking that I would never be able to manage it. I was wrong, it worked perfectely.

Catherine

black
11-01-2018, 11:57 AM
Thank you Chrysa Lead.

This type of post is always close to my heart and gives me hope of the things
that may be possible with continued study, prayer and work in the laboratory.

Chrysa Lead
11-02-2018, 09:32 PM
Thank you Chrysa Lead.

This type of post is always close to my heart and gives me hope of the things
that may be possible with continued study, prayer and work in the laboratory.

You're welcome black !

Yes our evolution is a perpetual "study, prayer and work (outside and inside)" I would add something important : we all need a "guide" (I don't like the word "Master") because so much things was never wrote and since centuries till now the oral transmission is crucial and necessary. And when it's well made, then you get your access to the"non matter" world and become able to control things (this is was I missed since too much time with my involontary experiences, now I understood ... a bit late).

To work alone without a true oral transmission is a trap where we all are falling in when we are starting our journey.
I wish you to find the right person to allow you to make "the" step.

Today this is much more difficult than in the past ... But it's still possible !

Regards,

Catherine

Euphrasia
11-03-2018, 05:57 PM
Very interesting thread !

Our mind is definitly a very strange and totaly unknowed "thing".
Since a very long time, I'm living strange experiences but because they are totaly involuntary, it's impossible to explain them. I can only discribe them and I would be very happy to meet a person who is able to control what is involontary for me ...

Since I drank an elixir I got by my Labora, I have new kind of experiences of materialization : by "sounds".

An example : in the streetcar.

I was thinking about something very special and I had some questions about it.
Soudainly, just near me a woman started to speak alone, loud enough to cach my attention.

Everybody was wondering : "what happens to this woman", then I realised she was answering to my questions !
I had a real conversation with "her" by asking my questions in my head, every time I got an answer from "her".

I'm using " " around her, because it was clearly not her who was speaking with me but "I don't know what" which was using her body to speak with me.

It happened too that I got answers directely from the streetcar's radio.
Soudaindely, no music anymore but someone who (like the woman) was answering to my questions.
It was not the voice of the radio host.

The persons around me was quite "disturbed" by thoses strange messages on the radio.

Another example : with my cats.

When they have a problem I get soudainly plants to heal them.
And they are growing very fast under the window of the room where I'm working my Labora.

Yes, I know, this is very strange ...

In the past, I had this experience : I made a "quantic jump" just by thinking "Oh I will be late".
I was driving to an appointement several hundred miles from home.
Then I realised that I was late (20mn).
Soudainely, I was driving exactely to the same place but 20mn before. It allowed me to be on time.

This jump through the time was totaly involontary.

It's only since few months that I got a way to make little jumps with a method which was used by Cagliostro.
When I got the information, I was thinking that I would never be able to manage it. I was wrong, it worked perfectely.

Catherine

Very very interesting. What are your thoughts on who/what was answeing your questions?

Chrysa Lead
11-07-2018, 02:22 PM
Very very interesting. What are your thoughts on who/what was answeing your questions?

I would say the "Divin Fields".
But maybe I'm wrong ... I was happy to get anwers without to try to explain the process.
My philosophy is to never try to explain what happens around me.
I stay concentrate on "what I get", not on the way it comes to me or from who/what it's coming from because I know that it's pointless.

black
11-08-2018, 03:40 AM
Hi Chrysa Lead

The many years of "Ora" before you began with the Labora must have given
you a very solid foundation for The Work, possibly the reason why your
evolution is now moving so quickly ?


Originally Posted by Chrysa Lead

Since I drank an elixir I got by my Labora, I have new kind of experiences of materialization : by "sounds".


Are you still drinking your elixir ?

If so .... have you tried adjusting the "posology" to see if it may enhance these
phenomena that you are experiencing ?

It must be very exciting for you to get answers to your questions and being
able to sleep-in knowing you won't be late for your appointments.


Originally Posted by Chrysa Lead

To work alone without a true oral transmission is a trap where we all are falling in when we are starting our journey.
I wish you to find the right person to allow you to make "the" step.

I have my fingers crossed and I'm praying for some Divine Intervention !!!

Thank you Catherine it's always good to hear what you have to share.

So many possibilities ......