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z0 K
05-01-2017, 09:39 PM
This is a spin-off thread from: (non)Mineral (non)Metal (non)Magnet (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?5247-(non)Mineral-(non)Metal-(non)Magnet)


What we need is a starting Matter containing all of Nature within itself potentially. The Sages say that this Universal starting Matter is known by everyone but valued by few. This special Matter is the beginning and starting point of the Great Work and the only thing on Earth that will ever lead to a successful completion of the Magnum Opus, which I assume is what you seek."

The excerpt from Von Suchten is on point. He agrees with Ripley and Dunstan about the three principles extracted from one thing. He is very insightful about the Prima Materia as you have shown in the excerpt. Isolating the Prima Materia from the starting matter is the beginning of empirically demonstrating the Philosophical Matter we work with. The Great Work is to collect Prima Materia from the starting matter which is one thing with nothing added to it. We use heat and/or water to purify it and concentrate it. As Von Sutchen said:


In order that one should not imagine such Lion to be a strange, rare thing, he, Bernhardus says: “This Lion is named by many but known by few”. And it is true that it is at the present day carried about by all sorts of men in their mouths, although few, yea, only those whose eyes God has opened to Nature’s virtues and powers, can recognize and use it. Yet in its substance, nature, and matter it is so common, often-used a thing that Bernhardus says: “The whole world have it before their eyes”. Morienus asserts it to be so universal that Man could not live without it. Verily, “I declare to thee”, quoth he to King Calid, “that this Thing by Divine Will has been greatly used in Creation, and nothing made by God can exist without it”. Every person knows this thing, and whoso knows it not, he knows nothing else. I should like to see a child of 7 or 8 who is not acquainted with it, and is without a hearty appetite and desire for it immediately he beholds it. This inclination proceeds from man’s inner spirit, which well knows that all power to preserve health and long life are hidden in his one thing alone. And, in order that this substance be revealed and made known, he gives you another hint and sign whereby you yourself may recognize it, saying: “Such matter is the Greatest Pearl and Noblest Treasure upon Earth according to God’s Revelation and man’s desire”. These words are literally copied from the Lesser Rosary, which says: “For God has under Heaven created no more precious thing, except the rational mind”. Examine one after the other all creatures, you will find among them all no more precious, better, more lovely, or nobler creature created by God. An intelligent man can easily find bottom here by diligently observing the above explanations, together with the Sympathy and Disposition (Diathesis) of God’s creation with respect to man’s natural life. I will let the above instances and the guiding of Theophrastus suffice, and now refer you to our Author’s little Book, De Viribus Spiritualium, where he speaks of the Spirit of Life. There you will find that [B]the Spiritis Vitae, or man’s life, is itself a celestial, invisible vapour; it is the temperament between the Elements, and is included in the Stars and all Heaven’s influences as far as the firmament stretches. Cornelius Agrippa, in Book I, “Concerning Occult Philosophy”, and the Spirit of the World, teaches how and by what means such Spirit is attracted from the Stars into nether corporeal bodies by their Magnetic Force. Richard, the Englishman, also teaches the same fully in his Corrector. Alchy., Part V, Chap. 8 and 9: “When you have now found which most abundantly partakes of this Influx and Spirit of life from other, the same you may use for your work, and apply it by right means and preparation, using its Spirit for the strengthening, preservation, and augmentation of you own spirit. This is more than enough concerning the matter”.

JDP
05-01-2017, 11:48 PM
The excerpt from Von Suchten is on point. He agrees with Ripley and Dunstan about the three principles extracted from one thing. He is very insightful about the Prima Materia as you have shown in the excerpt. Isolating the Prima Materia from the starting matter is the beginning of empirically [based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.] demonstrating the Philosophical Matter we work with. The Great Work is to collect Prima Materia from the starting matter which is one thing with nothing added to it. We use heat and/or water to purify it and concentrate it. As Von Sutchen said:

Since you work with vegetable matter it is obvious what you have in mind by this "one thing". But even if we assume that you can make the secret solvent or "water" from just "one matter" of vegetable origin, you would still need a metallic matter to be joined to the secret solvent in order to make the Stone or any other true alchemical "tincture". Sooner or later you will have to do what these malicious writers (among which Ripley should NOT be included, since he does not endorse such a misleading claim) tell you (to lead you astray) that you supposedly should not do: mix it with other substances. So it would no longer be "one matter only". Ripley used 3 substances (this is most clearly shown in his "Liber Secretissimus", but can also be gathered from some of his other texts), and Fulcanelli, Thomas Norton, "Theodorus Mundanus", Ibn Tammam, Ibn Umail, al-Iraqi, Aras the Sage, Maria, Zosimus, etc. all used anywhere between 2 to as many as 5 substances to make the Stone. But I also strongly doubt that even just the secret solvent/water by itself can be made from "one matter" alone.

One Matter Only = Death-Trap

z0 K
05-02-2017, 11:25 PM
Since you work with vegetable matter it is obvious what you have in mind by this "one thing". But even if we assume that you can make the secret solvent or "water" from just "one matter" of vegetable origin, you would still need a metallic matter to be joined to the secret solvent in order to make the Stone or any other true alchemical "tincture".

I’m glad to see you are willing to assume the alchemical solvent could be made from one matter of vegetable origin. You are right about needing a metallic matter to make an alchemical stone. That I know from experience. The metallic matter to start with comes from the plant’s own mineralized feces or earth. I have shown the crystallization process in videos.


Sooner or later you will have to do what these malicious writers (among which Ripley should NOT be included, since he does not endorse such a misleading claim) tell you (to lead you astray) that you supposedly should not do: mix it with other substances. So it would no longer be "one matter only".

It seems ridiculous to me for you to state that Ripley does not endorse the one thing premise. You have the same docs as I do. You know what he wrote in his Key to the Golden Gate:


Ripley:
4 yet the true way (according to the intention of the philosophers)
5 is not in them for their gold & silver are two chief tinctures
6 red & white, buryed in one & the same body the which never by
7 nature, arrived unto their perfect complement or ripeness.
8 Yet are they separable from their earthy lubricity(*) or slimi-
9 ness & their accidental dross, in which they ly hid, & are so
10 commixtible according to their proper nature, with pure earth
11 of white & red, & are accounted such fit ferments
12 thereof that they cannot be at all sayd to want any other strange
13 thing. For the whole work is one, & the thing itself one,
14 & the whole hath its derivation from one image. For the parts
15 of our stone are in it, coëlestial & concrete, the which would be
16 altogether absurd if there wanted common gold & silver to
17 the composition thereof. For the philosophers say take a body in which
18 is argent vive, pure, bright, unspotted, & uncompleated by nature.
19 & such a body (after its compleat & perfect mundification is
20 much more excellent than the body of gold & silver of the mine.
21 As concerning this body of the matter of this stone, there are
22 three things most chiefly spoken, & it is called, the green
23 lyon, asa foetida, & the white fume. But yet this is so con-
24 trived by the philosophers that they may deceive fooles, and that by

* lutosity

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1 reason of the multitude & diversities of the names they may be
2 blinded & mistaken. But see, that thou doest understand
3 & know that one thing is always & really signifyed although there
4 are three named & accidental for the green lyon, asa foetida
5 & the white fume, are denominated from one & the self same
6 subject, in the which they do altogether & always ly hid until
7 they are manifested by art.


You will find in your lab that “their gold & silver” as described in the above quote can be produced from any plant source. I have shown many of those elements and more obtained from biomass in videos.


Ripley:
The which properties verely, are not to
23 be found in common gold & silver without a great deal

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1 of labour & that but in part neither; because that the vegetative
2 virtue & mother of all increase is for the great part) long
3 ago extinct in them. My son if thou knowest but how to effect
4 this, & to imitate the condition of more inferiour nature
5 in frameing metals, thou mayst deservedly be named
6 a philosopher well experienced in natural things. But it is
7 to be considered that the more ancient philosophers did not use
8 common gold & silver in this work, & for that cause, said that
9 those labour needed not much costs, & mought as well be
10 accomplished by the poor & countryman, as by the rich man &
11 citizen; the which saying would be wholy untrue, if it could
12 not be finished without common gold & silver, for they are
13 very precious & rare, & not gotten by the poor without a
14 great deal of labour. Many indeed have reduced by this
15 art a great quantity of gold & silver into nothing & have
16 spent their time & labour exceedingly unprofitably to
17 the destruction both of body & soul & these (I judge) well de-
18 serving pity


As you can read above Ripley said that finishing the stone with common gold and silver is not the easy or cheap way but it can be done. He says Au and Ag had long ago lost their vegetative virtue. And if you would revitalize them you have to imitate framing Au and Ag as inferior in the process. They are secondary to the protocol of the stone made from one thing. As you know Ripley details 24 ways of working with the elements gained from the one thing process in his Philorcium.


So it would no longer be "one matter only". Ripley used 3 substances (this is most clearly shown in his "Liber Secretissimus", but can also be gathered from some of his other texts), and Fulcanelli, Thomas Norton, "Theodorus Mundanus", Ibn Tammam, Ibn Umail, al-Iraqi, Aras the Sage, Maria, Zosimus, etc. all used anywhere between 2 to as many as 5 substances to make the Stone.

That is right. Alchemical stones made with any metals have added those metals (usually prepared by a calcination process) to the secret solvent containing vegetative virtue or Green Lyon. Take a look at Ripley’s Scroll. A host of elements are derived from the dragon’s breath. Making the secret solvent involves some very subtle elements obtained from the airless burn in a closed system. Weidenfeld’s Secret of the Adepts contains myriad preparations of the secret solvent.

You start with one thing biomass. From it you get usually three things. When you have some experience you can get four things. Otherwise from the white fume you get two things: a golden water and a stinking oil-tar. A dry sometimes brittle black basalt looking earth remains below as your third thing. From the golden water you get argent vive. In it lies hidden two more things, a diaphanous spirit, and a subtle liquid sometimes called fire. The same spirit and fire also lie hidden in the stinking oil. From the earth one obtains two salts one fixed and one volatile.

So from one thing we obtained three things. From the three things we obtain three more things. Now we have six things from one thing. All of these things yet hide another element: vegetative virtue. Ripley called it a lusty appetite in one place and Green Lyon in another. That one you will not be able to hold in your hands but you can experience its presence by the actions it takes. Now we have seven things from one thing. Putting them back together has many options. One could spend a lifetime exploring the options.

JDP
05-03-2017, 01:03 AM
I’m glad to see you are willing to assume the alchemical solvent could be made from one matter of vegetable origin. You are right about needing a metallic matter to make an alchemical stone. That I know from experience. The metallic matter to start with comes from the plant’s own mineralized feces or earth. I have shown the crystallization process in videos.

The only metals that plants contain in appreciable quantities are the alkaline metals potassium and sodium, but these are useless for obtaining the "sulphur" or "tincture" for the secret solvent to "coagulate" with and generate the Stone or any other true alchemical tincture. The alchemists themselves did not recognize substances so well known to them as potash or common salt to contain any metals (when in fact they do, as we know today.) They would not have recognized them in plants either. When they talk about metals they mean things like lead, gold, silver, tin, etc. In other words, what we call heavy metals today. Those were the metallic matters they used, not potassium or sodium, which were unknown to them.


It seems ridiculous to me for you to state that Ripley does not endorse the one thing premise. You have the same docs as I do. You know what he wrote in his Key to the Golden Gate:

That's because "Key of the Golden Gate" is really a reworking of one of the texts attributed to St. Dunstan, not Ripley's. Plus the author of that text maliciously peddles the "one matter" claim yet he himself contradicts it by casually admitting that this "one matter" is really a COMPOUND (i.e. a thing that is composed of two or more separate substances; a mixture), not some single substance found somewhere already made in nature (such as any mineral or plant would be considered):

https://archive.org/stream/fasciculuschemic00deea#page/8/mode/2up

"Of this very Body the matter of the Stone, three things are chiefly spoken, viz. The green Lion, Assa foetida, and the white Fume; but this is inferred by the Philosophers FROM THE COMPOUND, that they might answer the foolish according to their own folly, and deceive them by the divers multiplicity of names."

Notice that the person who re-edited this text to make it into the "Key of the Golden Gate" VERY MALICIOUSLY REMOVED THE REFERENCE TO THE COMPOUND to make even more sure that he would lead "undesirable" people astray with the "one matter only" ruse. At least the original author was kind enough to provide a means to alert readers to the trap in the manner of a contradiction ("one matter only" vs THE COMPOUND)

Regarding Ripley's actual texts: I don't remember him endorsing the "one matter only" claim anywhere.


As you can read above Ripley said that finishing the stone with common gold and silver is not the easy or cheap way but it can be done. He says Au and Ag had long ago lost their vegetative virtue. And if you would revitalize them you have to imitate framing Au and Ag as inferior in the process. They are secondary to the protocol of the stone made from one thing. As you know Ripley details 24 ways of working with the elements gained from the one thing process in his Philorcium.

In that text he talks about making several other "tinctures".


That is right. Alchemical stones made with any metals have added those metals (usually prepared by a calcination process) to the secret solvent containing vegetative virtue or Green Lyon. Take a look at Ripley’s Scroll. A host of elements are derived from the dragon’s breath. Making the secret solvent involves some very subtle elements obtained from the airless burn in a closed system. Weidenfeld’s Secret of the Adepts contains myriad preparations of the secret solvent.

Yes, and Weidenfeld is yet another one who does not endorse the "one matter only" gimmick. All of the "tinctures" he talks about are made by mixtures of diverse matters, even some of vegetable origin, not just metallic/mineral ones, with the secret solvent. Nowhere does he claim that you can make the Stone from "only one matter". And as for the secret solvent itself, he does not say that it can be made from "one matter only" either. He talks about the "mortification & regeneration" of any member of certain "family" of substances in order to obtain the secret solvent, and in order to be able to do this you need reactions between at least two general types of opposing substances. It is just impossible to do it with "one matter only". The "adept" who called himself "Theodorus Mundanus" makes some very similar statements as Weidenfeld's in his letter to Edmund Dickinson. "Mundanus" used at least 3 substances to prepare the secret solvent. He calls these 3 substances "mercury", "sulphur" and "a distilled water" (notice that this "distilled water" might itself be the product of a reaction between two or more substances, that's why I said that he used "at least 3 substances", but might in fact have used more during these initial stages of the work. Notice also that he talks about the "purification" of the "mercury" by distillation or sublimation, and he also mentions vitriol and salt during these preparatory stages of the work.) From the complex interactions between these 3 substances and the byproducts they give, he prepares the secret solvent. So no "one matter only" nonsense claim can be found in the interesting (and originally intended to be private, but which eventually made its way to the printing press) letter of this "adept" either.

Kiorionis
05-03-2017, 01:16 AM
The only metals that plants contain in appreciable quantities are the alkaline metals potassium and sodium, but these are useless for obtaining the "sulphur" or "tincture" for the secret solvent to "coagulate" with and generate the Stone or any other true alchemical tincture.

But they are pretty useful in combination with chlorine and hydrogen in gastric acid for extracting nutrients from our food (gastric acid being primarily hydrochloric acid, potassium-chloride and sodium-chloride)