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elixirmixer
05-09-2017, 08:45 AM
Hello all! Just me again...

Was wondering if any of you brainy alchemical nerds could give me some information about the reported, spontaneous germination.

Was it, Spiritus Mundi, or the Stone, which was said to create these effects?

Perhaps someone can give me a source that I could read.

How amazing will it be in 5000 years when there is simply an alchemical index book. :D

Any and all info regarding this topic would be lovely.

zoas23
05-09-2017, 09:23 AM
The claim I remember about such thing comes from "Hermetic Recreations", which is a VERY tricky text (completely filled with double and triple meanings, not always alchemical, but also linguistic -and filled with puns which mostly attack Freemasonry).

I don't have the time to go to the text right now, but if your understanding of the text is that the author is using the Spiritus Mundi (I have zero doubts about it), then the answer is that in that specific book it is neither the Spiritus Mundi or the Stone... but the matter in one of the parts "between" the two sides of the rope between "SM" and "Stone" (i.e, in the middle of the process, can't remember in which part).

The book contains some ALLEGORICAL botanical symbolisms, but when he speaks about this growth of vegetables, it is my understanding that he's been literal. Other than that, he says that it is POSSIBLE to do it, but mostly stupid (because his claim is that it is possible, but that such thing would involve wasting some of the proto-stone for a stupid purpose without much value).

It is ALSO possible to make a different lecture and understand that it's an allegory, though my lecture is that in that specific comment he is being literal... but far from speaking about it as something amazing, he somehow speaks about it in a derogative way.

He does not do it with the SM nor with the Stone, but in the middle of the process (but certainly he claims that it is somehow stupid to do it and wasting what you have for a not very valuable purpose).

elixirmixer
05-09-2017, 10:42 AM
Certain species of plants have extremely low germination rates. Some of those plants are very special. Because the germination rates are so low, seeds are often cheap while the plants themselves are very expensive.

Seed germination could be VERY profitable and, a hell of a lot more legal than pumping out gold ;)

horticult
07-08-2017, 10:34 PM
somewhere in texts is i think peat/torf ash + gw?stale; growing lettuce in minuts
btw wood ash+gw is very good fertilizer
imo today germination is ... than pumping ((

Kiorionis
07-09-2017, 12:10 AM
From Bardon's third key:


Used materially, any seed may be impregnated in such a magic-quabbalistic manner that it
will shoot up and grow with unnatural rapidity. In this connection, everybody will certainly
remember the well-known mango-tree miracle, which may realized by the help of this
formula. Through the "D-Sh" formula, any matter may be enlivened and any idea may be
materialized.

elixirmixer
07-09-2017, 01:56 AM
Could you share your interpretation of what Bardon means Kiorionis?

Im not very magically gifted...

Kiorionis
07-09-2017, 03:37 AM
Most certainly. What is the information system you understand most?

elixirmixer
07-09-2017, 04:21 AM
I have a feeling your about to start talking in erms of 'bio-chemical electromagnetic energies' and if thats the case, then the Jing, Chi, Shen system most probably...

Otherwise you may be talking about something all together different, but i Suppose my question is what does THIS:


Through the "D-Sh" formula

...mean please?

Schmuldvich
07-09-2017, 04:58 AM
Is there actual, scientific evidence of super-accelerated plant growth/germination out there (genuine question, I haven't researched it)?

Kiorionis
07-09-2017, 05:39 AM
Is there actual, scientific evidence of super-accelerated plant growth/germination out there (genuine question, I haven't researched it)?

Yes. The alchemylife site has info on it

Kiorionis
07-09-2017, 05:41 AM
I have a feeling your about to start talking in erms of 'bio-chemical electromagnetic energies' and if thats the case, then the Jing, Chi, Shen system most probably...

Yes and no. Bioelectrics is only 1/5th of the equation. Or something like that. Maybe more relative.

My own interpretation is that in order to stimulate growth, there is a necessary prerequisite of Love.

If you understand the manifestation of Love, the analogy can be carried over scientifically. But not the love between a man and woman

Axismundi000
07-09-2017, 07:47 AM
I know William Mistelle suggests that specific letters from Bardon's 3rd key can be solely focussed on rather than doing the whole of the work needed to master the creative word, in 2012 I was emailed a PDF with this idea with the author shown as William Mistelle. Personally I disagree with Mistelle and focussing on just a few letters could I think cause imbalance and danger to health something that Bardon specifically warns about in his 3rd book: The Key to the True Quaballah.

Kiorionis
07-09-2017, 06:45 PM
I know William Mistelle suggests that specific letters from Bardon's 3rd key can be solely focussed on rather than doing the whole of the work needed to master the creative word

I also disagree, but not that it creates unbalance (it might, I don't know), but because it would be like building a puzzle with a whole bunch of missing pieces

Axismundi000
07-10-2017, 08:33 AM
You may be right Kiorionis the current magical work i am doing is the early stages of Bardon's 2nd key specifically the genii of the zone girdling the earth. I think only a hermeticist who has practical experience of the 3rd key would know for sure.

Roburus
07-11-2017, 10:46 PM
It is a coincidence that you have opened this topic. Probably, as my good friend Zoas says, it is a stupid thing to waste material in this way, but, to my point of view, it is an experiment and as such, allows us to explore other properties of the universal spirit.
I have recently been able to try some seeds with spiritus mundi and i can say, based on my personal experience, that things are not exactly like the texts say.
The seed i used has a germination period of 10 to 15 days (as the package indicates) and when exposed to sm, germinated in less than 12 hours, but did NOT GROW.

Schmuldvich
07-12-2017, 12:26 AM
It is a coincidence that you have opened this topic. Probably, as my good friend Zoas says, it is a stupid thing to waste material in this way, but, to my point of view, it is an experiment and as such, allows us to explore other properties of the universal spirit.
I have recently been able to try some seeds with spiritus mundi and i can say, based on my personal experience, that things are not exactly like the texts say.
The seed i used has a germination period of 10 to 15 days (as the package indicates) and when exposed to sm, germinated in less than 12 hours, but did NOT GROW.

Incredible feedback!! Thank you for sharing.

How did you obtain your spiritus mundi?

black
07-12-2017, 01:14 PM
Hi Roburus

I'm just wondering if you signified the Spiritus Mundi to the plant realm ?

Axismundi000
07-12-2017, 09:07 PM
Like all things Spiritual or Corporeal I will believe it when I see it. This is like fishermen bragging about a catch but there is no fish.

There is something to be said for secrecy however if you claim something but cannot back it up........I mean I freely admit that magic cannot be proven scientifically but these Alchemical things can be physically produced. I would never say a thing that I cannot clearly show.

Edit to clarify: several people have seen the same form in the triangle of art but nothing on the camera so no proof, I freely admit I cannot prove. If you can make this spiritus Mandi then show it or admit you cannot prove it.

Kiorionis
07-13-2017, 01:04 AM
Like all things Spiritual or Corporeal I will believe it when I see it. This is like fishermen bragging about a catch but there is no fish.

Haha or the fishermen are bored so they start exaggerating while drinking ;)

I think it didn't grow because the application of SM stopped.

Kiorionis
07-13-2017, 01:08 AM
Edit to clarify: several people have seen the same form in the triangle of art but nothing on the camera so no proof, I freely admit I cannot prove. If you can make this spiritus Mandi then show it or admit you cannot prove it.

I've seen some pretty interesting photographs of manifestation during ceremony. Bit the True Skeptic will always say, it is an anomaly in the smoke, or a strange distortion of reflection in the concave of the morror.

Axismundi000
07-13-2017, 08:01 AM
My first evocation in 2008 was of Vassago (from Lemegeton) and in the Dittany of Crete a spiral formed then a big bestial skull. These things should be photographable but often the light levels are a problem, perhaps a skilled cameraman or photographer could get an image. Sadly most people I have met who have such skills would likely 'fill their pants' also I have no wish to become an object of media entertainment. With regard to the spiritus Mundi/universal Mercury it is clearly observable and dissolves pure gold so this is more verifiable. Personally if I spoke about it I would show it or not say I had it.

elixirmixer
07-13-2017, 09:48 AM
I used to make accusations and judgments about people who claimed to have the mundi and wouldn't share, however, when I achieved an understanding of the process, then I had someone, who speaks openly about SM, prove to me it's true existence, and I don't think that I've ever read them claim on the forums to have SM, even though they clearly do.

There is a special hermetic understanding required to unlock the secret of SM. If the things Ive posted were deamed at least 'satisfactory' by those in the know, to be given addition knowledge, then rest assured then that I have shared MUCH in the way of this understand and that it is here on the forums to be read and understood.

I always thought that when I knew, I would tell the world, however when I learnt, something changed in me. A certain increase in my desire to honor that which is sacred and also honor those who honor it's specialness.

Keep looking, always praying, do good to those in need. This is the way of keepers of the true secrets. Godbless.

Kiorionis
07-13-2017, 12:48 PM
also I have no wish to become an object of media entertainment.

Not many other people or entities want this either.

Axismundi000
07-14-2017, 08:07 AM
Not many other people or entities want this either.

Indeed. Historic records of non-corporeal entities appearing to mass crowds rather than one person or a small group of individuals are hard to find. Usually in religious/mystical texts it is a 'revelation' to one person or at most a small group. There may be examples but I cannot think of one. Edit just thought of one: On the ceiling in the Vatican you have a painting of Simon Magus being held aloft by 4 demons so he flies through the air. Then St Peter prays to God the demons flee and Simon Magus plunges to his death in front of the multitude. Can't think of any other examples.

@Elixirmixer I appreciate that once a thing is experienced (SM/Universal Mercury) how you might choose to behave may change compared to before the thing was experienced. So thinking you will show SM but then when you have it realising that you would profane the sacred nature of the work so choosing not to show it after all, I appreciate this genuine view you present. However going on a forum and chatting about its qualities is bullshit, lots of people will pretend they have it. The idea that they can hint at things so that those 'in the know' understand the esoteric knowledge like them is also bullshit and easily stagemanaged. For example the individuals concerned can conspire outside the forum to agree a common symbol set to give the impression they have secret knowledge even though they may not actually have produced SM. Motivation for this being for example people may approach them privately for life saving medicine offering large sums of money, another motivation could be just plain narcissism, also a malicious wish to upset people even.

I call bullshit on this chat about SM's qualities, show SM if you have it or be known to be calumniators.

elixirmixer
07-14-2017, 08:56 AM
I've only just gained a basic understanding of its first principals of manifestation, and due to that fact, theres not a lot I could do with the SM at this stage, also, I'm probably not as skilled as I would like to be in preparing the right equipment and then the other road would be to pay for it and its just not on the budget right now. Meaning I have not created SM, I dont have a use or a good enough understanding of what I SHOULD do with it, although I've got plenty of ideas of what I would like to do with it.

In fact this spring my major focus will most likely be collection of Pulvis Solaris, in prep for when I do have some SM handy.

I still have a lot 'to prove' (at least to myself) in the herbal works i'm doing at the moment, I want perfect spagyrics and perfect Hollandus stones done and dusted before I move into the purist methods of SM, which will be my next mission after I've achieved my current work.

I'm really interested, Axis, in how your work is going on the Hollandus stone. I know you've got certain criteria for sharing but I'd love to just talk theory anyway because i know we look at it quite differently and im sure we could teach each other a thing or two.

Back to seed germination: has anyone hear tried the old John French method:

TO MAKE A PLANT GROW IN TWO OR THREE HOURS
Take the ashes of moss and moisten them with the juice of an old dunghill, being
first pressed forth and strained. Then dry them a little, and moisten them as before.
Do this four or five times. Put this mixture, being neither very dry nor very moist,
into some earthen or metal vessel, and in it set the seeds of lettuce, purslain or
parsley (because they will grow sooner than other plants) being first impregnated
with the essence of a vegetable of its own species (the process thereof you shall
find in Book I) until they begin to sprout forth. Then, I say, put them in the said
earth with that end upwards which sprouts forth. Then put the vessel into a gentle
heat, and when it begins to dry moisten it with some of the said juice of dung.
You may by this means have a salad grow while supper is making ready.

Also, for interests sake, this is quite thought provoking:


TO MAKE A VEGETABLE GROW AND BECOME MORE GLORIOUS
THAN ANY OF ITS SPECIES
Reduce any vegetable into its three first principles. Then join them together again,
being well purified, and put the same into a rich earth, and you shall have it
produce a vegetable far more glorious than any of its species.
Now, how to make such an essence, look into the first book, and there you shall
see the process thereof.

Axismundi000
07-14-2017, 11:29 AM
I'm not doing Hollandus opera vegetabilia because I gave it a small trial run and the stench and glassware cleaning is excessive.

My current work is mineral based and although it will take time before ready I will show pictures eventually ( not till next year probably). It's not that I want to be especially secretive. Rather I want to show completed things that will be of potential use to others, they may choose to draw from what I have done for themselves. I also appreciate the occasional constructive practical comments that people give here though they are sadly few and far between. Plenty of philosophising and braggadocio relating to SM instead.

Heliophilos in his work: Alchemy Rising The green book (pub Scarlet Imprint I think) gives some interesting stuff on plants rising from their ashes that you may find interesting.

elixirmixer
07-14-2017, 12:51 PM
Not a very cheap book... But thankyou for pointing that guy out I hadnt seen him before.

Pyro-distillation isn't the hollandus plant stone Axis, thats just him leading away the unobservant. He says very specifically right at the start of his vegetable operations volumes that herbs that still hold in them the subtle lifeforce, (he calls them the three spirits of taste, colour, smell) should never rise over the temperature of a mid-summers day, and this being, because the very subtle spirits, the aqua ardens, would be damaged in the process, most notably, the very volatile fragrance molecules would decompose, and they would no longer have the strength to volatize the salts later in the work.

You would have noticed if you did attempt a pyro-distillation, that the first thing that came over was a beautiful sweet smelling water (Im assuming you used Philosophic Wine).

This water, and the ardens that came over un-noticably before it, are all that is required, then, the phlem is poured back over the dry mass to Solve et Coagula with digestions in-between. What this does, is leech the fire element out of the body without damaging it, and then all that needs to be done is filtering. circulations or digestions are used to allow additional feces to appear and subsequently be filtered out.

Then, after your waters will no longer extract any more of the fire element (its red colour) then its safe to burn of and calcine the ashes like you did in spagyrics.

THEN you take your white ash, your aqua ardens, pelican it up for a while in the incubator, and if both the earth and the air were very pure, you will have the TRUE volatised salts of Tartar.

You still have to leech out the Salt of Sulfur and you still have to congeal your water and fire elements with your volatized salts, so yeah, the vegi stone is a fair bit of work, but is my main focus ATM.

Pyro-distillation sucks, I still have a whole glassware kit out the back thats black and filthy, it will probably sit there for a couple more years I'd say lol.

Andro
07-14-2017, 01:04 PM
Gentlemen, please mind the topic...

This thread is centered around speedy seed germination...

Is there a thread on the Hollandus stone somewhere?

Axismundi000
07-14-2017, 06:46 PM
The author sent me a free PDF of the Green Book but I promised not to send it to anyone else. I'm out of touch with him at present I think he is somewhere in Portugal otherwise I would ask him.

There are a number of texts indicating Alchemy can accelerate plant growth. Presumably non-Alchemists have seen this demonstrated. Perhaps we will see an example on this forum, stop motion photography can achieve a similar visual effect. So no secrets are necessarily revealed because it can be explained away.

elixirmixer
11-08-2017, 06:55 AM
So I've started a new experiment, using my Hermetic coriander elixir (My first Alchemically prepared medicine)

I am putting coriander seeds in test tubes in cotton buds.

5 seeds as control with only rain water
5 seeds with cotton dampened with Sea-sol (a commercial brand of fertilizer made from seaweed)
5 seeds with cotton dampened with the coriander elixir.

We'll see what happens...

Any guesses??