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pierre
05-31-2017, 07:04 PM
"You need not to doubt the among the metals sol and luna are both agents and masculine sperms, for they both give form and tincture severally, the one White work, the other to the red work, according to the sayings to the philosophers…"

_John Dee / The Rosie Crucian Secrets...

Many alchemist put the silver (luna) in the list of female metals.

Salazius
05-31-2017, 08:15 PM
I doubt the translation and the origin of the text. A lot of text in the so called "Rosie Crucian Secrets" is a compendium of other texts, and sometime seemingly completely plagiarized, (we find in it some of the writtings of Samuel Norton).

So, yes for me Luna, Silver, is female seed, or female state of Sulfur.

Kiorionis
05-31-2017, 08:35 PM
Recently I've been thinking about common silver and gold. In the natural world, there is no "female" sex in the species of silver like there is polarity for the animal and vegetable kingdoms.

Which makes me lean towards silver and gold, and other metals, being hermaphroditic or androgynous in their natural state. Silver is also considered a 'noble/perfect' metal I think.

Salazius
06-01-2017, 04:40 PM
Wanna see some metal porn ? look at that !

http://salonarcano.com.ar/galeria/contenidos/cine/salazius/highslide/images/large/13CaveandStar.jpg
Antimony regulus, one of my pics.

That's a uterus, a womb. Looking for a seed.

Illen A. Cluf
06-01-2017, 05:05 PM
Wanna see some metal porn ? look at that !

http://salonarcano.com.ar/galeria/contenidos/cine/salazius/highslide/images/large/13CaveandStar.jpg
Antimony regulus, one of my pics.

That's a uterus, a womb. Looking for a seed.

She really "rocks" :-)

pierre
06-01-2017, 06:50 PM
Wow! Nice rock!


Wanna see some metal porn ? look at that !

http://salonarcano.com.ar/galeria/contenidos/cine/salazius/highslide/images/large/13CaveandStar.jpg
Antimony regulus, one of my pics.

That's a uterus, a womb. Looking for a seed.

Kiorionis
06-02-2017, 01:45 AM
Haha I apparently don't work with metals enough...

Salazius
06-02-2017, 06:12 AM
Thank guys.

It's a big mama indeed, and she is really hungry. But beware, after copulation, she eats the male !

zoas23
06-02-2017, 06:26 AM
This translation is a bit... weird, but possible to understand it. It gives a different perspective:

22. Now Sol is Masculine forasmuch as he sendeth forth active and energizing seed, Luna is Feminine or Negative and she is called the Matrix of Nature, because she receiveth the sperm, and fostereth it by monthly provision, yet doth Luna not altogether want in positive or active virtue.

23. By the name of Luna Philosophers understand not the vulgar Moon, which also may be positive in its operation, and in combining acts a positive part. Let none therefore presume to try the unnatural combination of two positives, neither let him conceive any hope of issue from such association; but he shall join Gabritius to Beia, and offer sister to brother in firm union, that from thence he may receive Sol's noble Son.

24. They that hold Sulphur and Mercury to be the First Matter of the Stone, by the name of Sulphur they understand Sol; by Mercury the Philosophic Luna; so (without dissimulation) good Lullius adviseth his friend, that he attempt not to work without Mercury and Luna for Silver; nor without Mercury and Sol for Gold.

Jean d'Eespagnet, of course... http://www.rexresearch.com/alchemy/espagnet.htm

The "Rosie Crucian" secrets is surely not a work by Dee.... that's just a wrong attribution.

Florius Frammel
06-02-2017, 11:26 AM
There are some languages in which the moon is male and the sun female, for example in german.
Some say in Sanskrit, sumeric and arabic languages, etc.. it is like this as well. If that's true, then the whole solar - lunar things must be seen switched. But maybe it is just part of the bipolar topic that it is.

pierre
06-02-2017, 01:31 PM
This is the text:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11577527-the-rosie-crucian-secrets


I doubt the translation and the origin of the text. A lot of text in the so called "Rosie Crucian Secrets" is a compendium of other texts, and sometime seemingly completely plagiarized, (we find in it some of the writtings of Samuel Norton).

So, yes for me Luna, Silver, is female seed, or female state of Sulfur.

pierre
06-02-2017, 01:40 PM
A black widow, indeed.


Thank guys.

It's a big mama indeed, and she is really hungry. But beware, after copulation, she eats the male !

pierre
06-02-2017, 01:54 PM
Hi, zoas...

Apparently, the author argues that "Luna" and "Sol" serve to direct the work to white or to red, alternatively.
That is why he considers "Luna" as a male, (in a case) who needs a female complement to dye.
And it is more, he says not to mix both in the same path, but both need a female matter.
???


This translation is a bit... weird, but possible to understand it. It gives a different perspective:

22. Now Sol is Masculine forasmuch as he sendeth forth active and energizing seed, Luna is Feminine or Negative and she is called the Matrix of Nature, because she receiveth the sperm, and fostereth it by monthly provision, yet doth Luna not altogether want in positive or active virtue.

23. By the name of Luna Philosophers understand not the vulgar Moon, which also may be positive in its operation, and in combining acts a positive part. Let none therefore presume to try the unnatural combination of two positives, neither let him conceive any hope of issue from such association; but he shall join Gabritius to Beia, and offer sister to brother in firm union, that from thence he may receive Sol's noble Son.

24. They that hold Sulphur and Mercury to be the First Matter of the Stone, by the name of Sulphur they understand Sol; by Mercury the Philosophic Luna; so (without dissimulation) good Lullius adviseth his friend, that he attempt not to work without Mercury and Luna for Silver; nor without Mercury and Sol for Gold.

Jean d'Eespagnet, of course... http://www.rexresearch.com/alchemy/espagnet.htm

The "Rosie Crucian" secrets is surely not a work by Dee.... that's just a wrong attribution.

Kiorionis
06-02-2017, 06:00 PM
There are some languages in which the moon is male and the sun female, for example in german.
Some say in Sanskrit, sumeric and arabic languages, etc.. it is like this as well. If that's true, then the whole solar - lunar things must be seen switched. But maybe it is just part of the bipolar topic that it is.

I have heard the same thing. Various cultures also attributed the masculine power/force to the Moon, and the feminine to the Sun.

JDP
06-02-2017, 11:47 PM
I doubt the translation and the origin of the text. A lot of text in the so called "Rosie Crucian Secrets" is a compendium of other texts, and sometime seemingly completely plagiarized, (we find in it some of the writtings of Samuel Norton).

Regarding Samuel Norton (a descendant of the famous 15th century alchemist Thomas Norton), whose Latin works were indeed plagiarized by the likes of Heydon: It is interesting to compare his earlier work, "The Key of Alchemy" (dated 1577), to that of the later texts he composed in the early 1600s. In his earlier and more naive work, Norton uncritically believed in such ridiculous claims as preparing the "Virgin's Milk" (a very popular code-name for the secret solvent) simply by gradually dropping portions of mercury into a red hot clay retort and collecting the distillates each time (which would actually be nothing else but the very same vulgar mercury and NOT any "water" of mercury), and his "alchemy" was basically merely manipulations of vulgar acetates (yes, made with actual vinegar, because he obviously would NEVER have succeeded in preparing the secret solvent by the absurd "mercury alone" prescription that he details.) By the early 1600s, his Latin works show quite a different picture than his naive early work: a more experienced Norton now politely declines to give any clear explanations regarding how the "Lac Virginis" is actually made, only to point out that it is the key of the whole subject.