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Luxus
08-02-2017, 09:49 PM
In the alembic is the Sun (Male) always above the moon (Female) or does it alternate as the process continues from start to finish?

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z0 K
08-02-2017, 11:24 PM
In the alembic is the Sun (Male) always above the moon (Female) or does it alternate as the process continues from start to finish?

In the first distillation the Moon comes over before the Sun which floats on the Moon when it comes over. After that it is your choice whether you separate and purify them, or putrefy them together. Better to call them crude Philosophical Sulfur and Mercury, or Red King and White Queen. The white bird is related to Azoth a determined manifestation of Spiritus Mundi also called Sal Armoniac.

How you proceed: separate or putrefy is determined by your goals. If you want a medicine for your health then separate and purify. If you want to play with neutrons then putrefy. Putrefaction of the Sun and Moon is a closely guarded secret to be revealed through experience attained by moving Spiritus Mundi from one determination to another using the Elements as outlined by Edward Kelly.

Spiritus Mundi can move you and you can move Spiritus Mundi. It happens all the time.

Luxus
08-03-2017, 01:00 PM
The Man (Sun) and Woman (Moon) must copulate to create the philosophical child (the philosophers stone). I do not think you can separate them and purify them, maybe you could but the resultant compound would be of little value.

I remember reading something to the effect, the man must be above the woman, the women must not be above the man, it could be interpreted several ways I guess.

Kiorionis
08-03-2017, 01:32 PM
by moving Spiritus Mundi from one determination to another using the Elements as outlined by Edward Kelly.

Hi again z0 K,
I've never read any E. Kelley, so I'm unfamiliar with this source. Is there a specific book?

z0 K
08-03-2017, 04:49 PM
The Man (Sun) and Woman (Moon) must copulate to create the philosophical child (the philosophers stone). I do not think you can separate them and purify them, maybe you could but the resultant compound would be of little value.

I remember reading something to the effect, the man must be above the woman, the women must not be above the man, it could be interpreted several ways I guess.

Your thinking will change once you actually do work in a laboratory.

z0 K
08-03-2017, 05:12 PM
Hi again z0 K,
I've never read any E. Kelley, so I'm unfamiliar with this source. Is there a specific book?

Edward Kelly's alchemical writings are available online. Most everyone interested in alchemy thinks Kelly was a charlatan and fraud who took advantage of John Dee. They think this because it was said or rumored that he lost his ears for forgery in England. Yet the Queen of England tried unsuccessfully to persuade Kelly to return to England and help the Crown to build a fleet with his alchemical gold. Kelly declined preferring to remain in Bohemia after being knighted by Emperor Rudolph II for making alchemical gold for him. At the time Edward Kelly was the most famous alchemist in Europe.

The Alchemical Writings of Edward Kelly:
https://archive.org/details/b24857300

Might be of interest relevant to this thread:

Arbor Alchemae (http://www.alchemylife.org/AlchemyLifeMagazine/Philosophical%20Tree%20of%20Life.htm)

Axismundi000
08-03-2017, 05:19 PM
Thanks for the PDF link I've been looking for Kelly material for some time. Personally I think the ears cut off for forgery would improve scrying ability because between 30% and 70% hearing is lost so perhaps new perceptions might take their place. The loss of the outer ears could have improved Kelly's ability to scry for Dee. Also hunger and poverty were continual problems for most people in Elizabethan England so I do not very much condem Kelly if his dishonesty was because he was hungry and cold.

JDP
08-03-2017, 05:49 PM
Edward Kelly's alchemical writings are available online. Most everyone interested in alchemy thinks Kelly was a charlatan and fraud who took advantage of John Dee. They think this because it was said or rumored that he lost his ears for forgery in England. Yet the Queen of England tried unsuccessfully to persuade Kelly to return to England and help the Crown to build a fleet with his alchemical gold. Kelly declined preferring to remain in Bohemia after being knighted by Emperor Rudolph II for making alchemical gold for him. At the time Edward Kelly was the most famous alchemist in Europe.

The Alchemical Writings of Edward Kelly:
https://archive.org/details/b24857300

Might be of interest relevant to this thread:

Arbor Alchemae (http://www.alchemylife.org/AlchemyLifeMagazine/Philosophical%20Tree%20of%20Life.htm)

From Dr. Dee's diary & his "Five Books of Mystery" manuscript, as well as from his son's comments, we can arrive at a few interesting conclusions and theories regarding Edward Kelley and alchemy:

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4889-Northwick-Hill

I think he did very likely figure out how to make either the white Stone or at least some sort of "particular tincture" that could turn some metals into silver, since the provenance of the silver-making "tincture" in their possession is NOT accounted for in Dee's diary or manuscript. Where did it come from, then? Dee surely would have recorded its provenance if they had also found it at a "digging" somewhere, as he did with the sample of the red Stone in their possession, but there is no word about it.

Schmuldvich
08-03-2017, 09:04 PM
In the alembic is the Sun (Male) always above the moon (Female) or does it alternate as the process continues from start to finish?

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=986&d=1501710260


http://forum.alchemyforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=985&d=1501710259
It is important to remember that our Matter evolves inside of the flask, therefore taking upon itself different qualities in the flask, or as some would say an inversion of the Elements.



Your thinking will change once you actually do work in a laboratory.
You have one of the nicest, cleanest, and most organized labs that has ever been shared on the internet. I have read all of texts I could find published under your real name/other pseudonym, which leads me to ask you directly...

With all the numerous preparations you have prepared, what have you been able to accomplish worthwhile with any of it? I mean, I understand the value of carrying out the lab work to provide oneself with better comprehension of the ancient texts and labwork in general, but have you been able to use any of the substances you have prepared in a practical way...to accomplish anything? Have you seen the Moon occult the Sun?



Edward Kelly's alchemical writings are available online. Most everyone interested in alchemy thinks Kelly was a charlatan and fraud who took advantage of John Dee. They think this because it was said or rumored that he lost his ears for forgery in England. Yet the Queen of England tried unsuccessfully to persuade Kelly to return to England and help the Crown to build a fleet with his alchemical gold. Kelly declined preferring to remain in Bohemia after being knighted by Emperor Rudolph II for making alchemical gold for him. At the time Edward Kelly was the most famous alchemist in Europe. The Alchemical Writings of Edward Kelly:
https://archive.org/details/b24857300 Might be of interest relevant to this thread:
Arbor Alchemae (http://www.alchemylife.org/AlchemyLifeMagazine/Philosophical%20Tree%20of%20Life.htm)

From my limited knowledge of his life, I always wrote off Edward Kelly as a pseudo-alchemist, but after reading this, maybe there is an inkling of truth to his words. I need to read his works again. Interesting analysis you present here.



From Dr. Dee's diary & his "Five Books of Mystery" manuscript, as well as from his son's comments, we can arrive at a few interesting conclusions and theories regarding Edward Kelley and alchemy:
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4889-Northwick-Hill I think he did very likely figure out how to make either the white Stone or at least some sort of "particular tincture" that could turn some metals into silver, since the provenance of the silver-making "tincture" in their possession is NOT accounted for in Dee's diary or manuscript. Where did it come from, then? Dee surely would have recorded its provenance if they had also found it at a "digging" somewhere, as he did with the sample of the red Stone in their possession, but there is no word about it.

Compelling thoughts, JDP. You and z0 K have renewed my interest in Edward Kelly which I will begin once I finish my other studies of the moment. Thanks!

z0 K
08-04-2017, 03:31 PM
You have one of the nicest, cleanest, and most organized labs that has ever been shared on the internet. I have read all of texts I could find published under your real name/other pseudonym, which leads me to ask you directly...

With all the numerous preparations you have prepared, what have you been able to accomplish worthwhile with any of it? I mean, I understand the value of carrying out the lab work to provide oneself with better comprehension of the ancient texts and labwork in general, but have you been able to use any of the substances you have prepared in a practical way...to accomplish anything? Have you seen the Moon occult the Sun?

Well, thanks for the kudos about my lab. I appreciate it.

You want to know if I have accomplished anything worthwhile with my laboratory preparations. Who decides what is worthwhile? Reminds me of a request for a resume or a biography.

What have I accomplished through alchemy: I yam what I yam. I'm Popeye the sailor man. When I'm low I eats me spinach then good to go.

Have I seen the Moon occult the Sun? I don't know what you mean by that one. I have traveled into the Abyss the yoke of Nothingness where the Sun don't shine. That is incredibly worthwhile to me.

You will never know what the Vegetable Stone will do for you until you make it and take it. If you have developed your inner circuits you can pull the ecstasy directly into your Microcosmic Body. That is a rush akin to orgasm. If you have not developed your inner circuits you probably will not experience that ecstatic influx of Spiritus Mundi. Your insights will be germane to your level of development. If you are inclined to meditation your meditations will be deepened. If you are a materialist then the physical improvements will be subtle and take time to notice depending on how old you are and how crapulent you've become. I've been taking three different preparations of the Vegetable Stone for over a year now. I am an old man and I feel better than ever!

The authoritah beat me down for 10 years because I provided spagyric elixirs to seriously ill people under doctors supervision. My lab was looted by the authoritah. I was thrown into the high tower prison in the City of Ghosts. The tower to my surprise was only a prison on the surface a facade. Underneath that intimidation it was actually one of the Monasteries of the Dark Lord. Some got religion in that Monastery. I used the opportunity to exercise and further develop my inner circulation. The practice successfully removes stress and anxiety for a time. I began teaching it to others upon request. I learned to distill Shen from Qi in there.

After a few months the Dark Lord had me escorted out of the prison. That was after a prisoner a Muslim monk in that monastery told me that I would get out when the Lord was ready to release me and then the doors would open for me and no man could do anything to stop it. That is how it happened. One morning they came and let me out under house arrest a severe form of bail, but bail had not been paid. Weeks later I had to make an appearance in court. The judge and prosecutor were amazed to find that I had been freed without securing bail. They said it had never happened before.

My reservoirs of alchemical energy were seriously depleted and I began to age rapidly. Or I began to catch up with the rest of my cohorts in wear and tear and stress. The storm of authoritah blew itself out over the decade but I was old by then. And my body was declining. Some of my organs started to fail from the decade of stress. My stash of elixirs was depleted. I made some simple spagyric tinctures to keep me going while I rebuilt my lab.

Schmuldvich
08-04-2017, 08:58 PM
http://i.imgur.com/IVpTPAr.jpg


In the alembic is the Sun (Male) always above the moon (Female) or does it alternate as the process continues from start to finish?

It is important to remember that our Matter evolves inside of the flask, therefore taking upon itself different qualities in the flask, or as some would say an inversion of the Elements.

The Man (Sun) and Woman (Moon) must copulate to create the philosophical child.
YES! This is the step following our Separation which we call Conjunction.

The text accompanying the exquisite images from the "Splendor Solis" wonderfully describes our Conjunction in detail...




"Morienus says: You shall know that the whole work of this Art ends in two Operations hanging very close together, so that when the one is complete, the other may begin and finish, this perfecting the whole Mastery. But as they only act on their own matter, it is necessary to give more particulars about it. Geber says in his "Summa Perfectionis Magisteri In Sua Natura" that Nature produces the Metals from Mercury and Sulphur, and to the same effect we see Ferraruis speak in his "Treatise On Alchemy", in the 25th chapter, that from the beginning of the Origin of Metals, nature also uses a slimy, heavy water, mixed with a very peculiar white subtile earth, which resolves the former into a steam and vapour, raises it in the veins or crevices of the earth and decocts, steams and collects it together so long, till at last dryness and moisture completely unite, thereby forming the substance which we call Mercury, and which constitutes the peculiar and very first Matter of all metals, and again he treats of it in the 26th chapter as follows: Those who will imitate nature, are not to use Mercury only, but Mercury mixed with Sulphur, but not the common Mercury and Sulphur, but those only which Nature herself has mixed, well prepared and decocted into a sweet fluid. In such a Mercury Nature has begun with primary action and ended in a metallic nature, having thus done her part, leaving the rest for Art to complete her work, into a Perfect Philosopher’s Stone."

For now the Philosophers say: ‘Dissolve the thing, and sublimate it, and then distil it, coagulate it, make it ascend, soak it, dry it, and ever up to an indefinite number of operations, all of which take place at the same time and in the same vessel’. Alphidius confirms this and says: ‘You must know that when we dissolve we sublimate as well and calcinate without interruption,’ and if our Corpus is being thrown into the water, for the purpose of dissolution, it first turns black, then separates itself, dissolving and sublimating, then unites itself with the spirit which is its origin and birth.

It has been compared as analogous to all things in the world, visible or invisible, possessed of a soul or not, corporeal or animal, dead or alive, mineral or vegetative; analogous to the elements and their compositions, to things hot and cold, further to all colors, all fruits, all birds, and in short to all things between Heaven and Earth, and among all these are belonging to this Art the aforesaid operations, which are explained by the Philosophers in two words, ‘Man’ and ‘Woman, or ‘Milk’ and ‘Cream’. He who does not understand these does not understand the preparation of this Art.



http://i.imgur.com/m52QCMp.jpg



Well, thanks for the kudos about my lab. I appreciate it.

You want to know if I have accomplished anything worthwhile with my laboratory preparations. Who decides what is worthwhile? Reminds me of a request for a resume or a biography.

What have I accomplished through alchemy: I yam what I yam. I'm Popeye the sailor man. When I'm low I eats me spinach then good to go.

Have I seen the Moon occult the Sun? I don't know what you mean by that one. I have traveled into the Abyss the yoke of Nothingness where the Sun don't shine. That is incredibly worthwhile to me.

You will never know what the Vegetable Stone will do for you until you make it and take it. If you have developed your inner circuits you can pull the ecstasy directly into your Microcosmic Body. That is a rush akin to orgasm. If you have not developed your inner circuits you probably will not experience that ecstatic influx of Spiritus Mundi. Your insights will be germane to your level of development. If you are inclined to meditation your meditations will be deepened. If you are a materialist then the physical improvements will be subtle and take time to notice depending on how old you are and how crapulent you've become. I've been taking three different preparations of the Vegetable Stone for over a year now. I am an old man and I feel better than ever!

The authoritah beat me down for 10 years because I provided spagyric elixirs to seriously ill people under doctors supervision. My lab was looted by the authoritah. I was thrown into the high tower prison in the City of Ghosts. The tower to my surprise was only a prison on the surface a facade. Underneath that intimidation it was actually one of the Monasteries of the Dark Lord. Some got religion in that Monastery. I used the opportunity to exercise and further develop my inner circulation. The practice successfully removes stress and anxiety for a time. I began teaching it to others upon request. I learned to distill Shen from Qi in there.

After a few months the Dark Lord had me escorted out of the prison. That was after a prisoner a Muslim monk in that monastery told me that I would get out when the Lord was ready to release me and then the doors would open for me and no man could do anything to stop it. That is how it happened. One morning they came and let me out under house arrest a severe form of bail, but bail had not been paid. Weeks later I had to make an appearance in court. The judge and prosecutor were amazed to find that I had been freed without securing bail. They said it had never happened before.

My reservoirs of alchemical energy were seriously depleted and I began to age rapidly. Or I began to catch up with the rest of my cohorts in wear and tear and stress. The storm of authoritah blew itself out over the decade but I was old by then. And my body was declining. Some of my organs started to fail from the decade of stress. My stash of elixirs was depleted. I made some simple spagyric tinctures to keep me going while I rebuilt my lab.
Wow! Thank you for sharing and taking the time to type all of that. Much appreciated!

I find it interesting that you denominate 'Vegetable Stone' as your stone that you highly value. As I understand it, our Stone (The Philosopher's Stone) is altogether Vegetable, Animal, & Mineral; the 'Vegetable Stone' simply being a less matured product of our Matter. Why stop at the 'Vegetable Stone'? The fact that you say, "You will never know what the Vegetable Stone will do for you until you make it and take it. If you have developed your inner circuits you can pull the ecstasy directly into your Microcosmic Body. That is a rush akin to orgasm. If you have not developed your inner circuits you probably will not experience that ecstatic influx of Spiritus Mundi" in my opinion clearly displays a lack of fundamental Understanding on your part of the properties of a 'Vegetable Stone'.


What is the starting matter of your Vegetable Stone?

Ultimately, as we already all know, what is worthwhile to some is not worthwhile to another, so the answer is completely subjective when asking if someone has accomplished anything worthwhile, which I why I chose to leave the question open-ended on this one. What I really wanted to ask is "Have you completed the Great Work?" Which also has a relatively subjective answer, being that one's interpretation of Great Work varies from one person to another, so I guess a better more direct question would be, "In the lab have you manifested the Philosopher's Stone?" (ya know, the one with all the irrefutable marvelously miraculous properties described by the Ancients) I would be interested in any tier of completion, be it White Stone or Red Stone, as these each have definitive characteristics that are not open to interpretation and have been defined countless times throughout the years.



http://i.imgur.com/3J3sg0O.jpg

z0 K
08-04-2017, 10:56 PM
I find it interesting that you denominate 'Vegetable Stone' as your stone that you highly value. As I understand it, our Stone (The Philosopher's Stone) is altogether Vegetable, Animal, & Mineral; the 'Vegetable Stone' simply being a less matured product of our Matter. Why stop at the 'Vegetable Stone'?

Your understanding needs refinement that comes with experience in the lab work. Who said I have stopped? I discuss the Vegetable Stone because most pilgrims in this sport think it is the lesser work. And for this reason they dismiss it choosing to launch themselves into the theater of metallic compounds of all sorts. All done without the philosophical Matter necessary for that work.


"If you have not developed your inner circuits you probably will not experience that ecstatic influx of Spiritus Mundi" in my opinion clearly displays a lack of fundamental Understanding on your part of the properties of a 'Vegetable Stone'.

Your understanding does not appear to be based on experience but on sophisticated thinking which breeds a host of opinions. Good luck with that. I find it humorous that you choose to think I lack a "fundamental Understanding of the properties of the Vegetable Stone." It's hilarious really. Roger Bacon was right in his reasoning about obscuring the Mysteries. The Matter itself that you desire to know is stinking, sickening and repulsive at first. That alone has stopped 99% of those who attempt Hollandus Vegetable work which is one of the most openly detailed in lab procedure generally available. Axismundi000 was honest enough to admit in another thread that the stinking sticky foul tars produced from distillation of herbs turned him away from the process. I've seen this happen with many others as well. They get that "tar baby" stuck all over everything and their labs turn into briar patches.


"In the lab have you manifested the Philosopher's Stone?" (ya know, the one with all the irrefutable marvelously miraculous properties described by the Ancients) I would be interested in any tier of completion, be it White Stone or Red Stone, as these each have definitive characteristics that are not open to interpretation and have been defined countless times throughout the years.

All the irrefutable marvelously miraculous properties described by the Ancients? Have you ever been fishing? Do you know the difference between fishing and the story told about it? Your interests do not motivate me; get stuck to your tar baby, then I might be motivated.

That is one reason why I only give operational advice for the work in the laboratory to someone that is actually working in the lab. And that is only in private. If you can get that tar baby out of the briar patch you are halfway there. That is the Black Hole Sun.

In my eyes, indisposed
In disguises no one knows
Hides the face, lies the snake
The sun in my disgrace
Boiling heat, summer stench
'Neath the black the sky looks dead
Call my name through the cream
And I'll hear you scream again

Black hole sun
Won't you come
And wash away the rain
Black hole sun
Won't you come
Won't you come (won't you come)

Stuttering, cold and damp
Steal the warm wind tired friend
Times are gone for honest men
And sometimes far too long for snakes
In my shoes, a walking sleep
And my youth I pray to keep
Heaven sent hell away
No one sings like you anymore

Black hole sun
Won't you come
And wash away the rain
Black hole sun
Won't you come
Won't you come

Black hole sun
Won't you come
And wash away the rain
Black hole sun
Won't you come

Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)

Hang my head, drown my fear
Till you all just disappear

Black hole sun
Won't you come
And wash away the rain
Black hole sun
Won't you come
Won't you come

Black hole sun
Won't you come
And wash away the rain
Black hole sun
Won't you come

Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come
Won't you come

Kiorionis
08-04-2017, 11:29 PM
In my eyes, indisposed
In disguises no one knows
Hides the face, lies the snake
The sun in my disgrace
Boiling heat, summer stench
'Neath the black the sky looks dead
Call my name through the cream
And I'll hear you scream again

Black hole sun
Won't you come
And wash away the rain
Black hole sun
Won't you come
Won't you come (won't you come)

Stuttering, cold and damp
Steal the warm wind tired friend
Times are gone for honest men
And sometimes far too long for snakes
In my shoes, a walking sleep
And my youth I pray to keep
Heaven sent hell away
No one sings like you anymore

Black hole sun
Won't you come
And wash away the rain
Black hole sun
Won't you come
Won't you come

Black hole sun
Won't you come
And wash away the rain
Black hole sun
Won't you come

Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)

Hang my head, drown my fear
Till you all just disappear

Black hole sun
Won't you come
And wash away the rain
Black hole sun
Won't you come
Won't you come

Black hole sun
Won't you come
And wash away the rain
Black hole sun
Won't you come

Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
Won't you come
Won't you come

Did you write these lyrics?

I like :)

Andro
08-04-2017, 11:51 PM
Did you write these lyrics?

I like :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mbBbFH9fAg

Schmuldvich
08-05-2017, 05:20 AM
Who said I have stopped? I discuss the Vegetable Stone because most pilgrims in this sport think it is the lesser work. And for this reason they dismiss it choosing to launch themselves into the theater of metallic compounds of all sorts. All done without the philosophical Matter necessary for that work.
If this were the case, certainly your focus would be on the 'Sun above the Moon' rather than mundane particular lab works that you show here and recap elsewhere...would it not? There is no 'lesser work', only White Stone & Red Stone.


Your understanding does not appear to be based on experience but on sophisticated thinking which breeds a host of opinions. Good luck with that. I find it humorous that you choose to think I lack a "fundamental Understanding of the properties of the Vegetable Stone." It's hilarious really. Roger Bacon was right in his reasoning about obscuring the Mysteries. The Matter itself that you desire to know is stinking, sickening and repulsive at first. That alone has stopped 99% of those who attempt Hollandus Vegetable work which is one of the most openly detailed in lab procedure generally available. Axismundi000 was honest enough to admit in another thread that the stinking sticky foul tars produced from distillation of herbs turned him away from the process. I've seen this happen with many others as well. They get that "tar baby" stuck all over everything and their labs turn into briar patches.
Agreed! Sophisticated theoretical thinking is nothing without the lab Work to parallel it--we are on the same page here--which is why I have walked through the Dung fields myself, endured the feculent stench of Death, and raised my own "Tar baby". I don't know wish to know our Matter, I already know it and continue to work with it every day. With a little bit of theoretical knowledge anyone can do the same. You know this as well as I. Our Work is not hard, but it does take great patience, tolerance, perseverance, and time; most people tap out before they ever see their first Baby mature into an Angel. Is it any surprise that so few progress in our Art?

Remember that guy chasm (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/member.php?8792-Chasm)? He explained things so plainly, eloquently, directly, and openly that one cannot help but wonder why he was banned.


I've decided to make my first post here on this thread. The reason why is because I think it's significant.

The simplicity of this is befuddling, however, it's quite true and clear that every last operation of the alchemists takes place as spoken of. Furthermore, watching what takes place within the flask allows one to easily follow the alchemical/Hermetic Doctrine.

I will sum what I know as such:

Our matter begins.

It is separated into two components.
(Many scripts begin here)

The two components give rise to a third component
(A philosophical marriage occurs)

All components recombine and morph into a fixed component
(This component is the regenerated matter, fertile soil)

No one has posted any pics at all. Am I missing something? I eventually wish post a few pic here. I can't say what I've seen and not back it up now can I?

He then went on to post pictures of his own, the likes of which no one else has come forward and posted any of their own since. I wonder why?


Has anyone seen the method to this stage?

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=942&d=1472413036

Can anyone tell me what I'm looking at considering that this image is authentic and is a progressive stage in this method?

Luxus, this is the Sun above the Moon.

Or, as chasm explains this,



"It's the land of milk and honey philosophically speaking"




"But our Stone, as it has been bequeathed to me by the Ancients, is derived from two things, and one thing, in which is concealed a third thing."

The two things are begotten of one thing. The coction of the two yields a third thing.

It is clear that the one thing must be composed of these other things.
One may assume that the esteemed Monk is implying that two things are added to one thing resulting in a concealed third thing, but this would be an error in grammatical comprehension.
It is therefore, on solid ground that the "one thing", MATTER, which yields "two", SUBSTANCES, who's coction reveals a "third" Substance.


"You need not look for our metallic seed among the elements. It need not be sought so far back. If you can only rectify the Mercury, Sulphur, and Salt (understand, those of the Sages) until the metallic spirit and body are inseparably joined together by means of the metallic soul, you thereby firmly rivet the chain of love, and prepare the palace for the coronation."

All this from ONE thing...our Matter!


In my attempts to better show what I've discovered for myself, I hope that this offsite image is easier to depict.

http://i.picasion.com/resize82/c481d10bf5334b583001ceaf3e81b3d8.png

This image is taken as the matter is exiting the black of blacks stage or the reign of Saturn. It signifies the triumph of antimony.
Notice what is depicted as a "starry sky", the coating of the glass. Again, the circular iris are reminiscent of the caudal pavonis features.

Is it just me or is there something in this image that resembles mine?
Please, before any negativity, observe closely:

http://i.picasion.com/resize82/d16cb62004dfdde1bf6d07257d961fb7.jpg

I'd hoped that the active experimenters here who've pierced the veil would come out and play. It's difficult certainly and we all know why.
I've placed a lot of information here on this forum with images of which no one has duplicated (at least none willing to share).
My hope is to follow in the steps of the ancients, assisting the true lovers of philosophy.

The end goal is to access the seed of all things. That's what the Stone does.

I've basically put the true meanings of the texts on a platter.



All the irrefutable marvelously miraculous properties described by the Ancients? Have you ever been fishing? Do you know the difference between fishing and the story told about it?

Your interests do not motivate me; get stuck to your tar baby, then I might be motivated.
Done. Now confirm an irrefutably successful Philosophic Separation and we will both be motivated. Less than five individuals on this planet have shown this Operation publicly on an open forum like this, and even fewer continue to post on internet message boards. Ever wonder why...? Those who are in the Know don't say, and those who say aren't in the Know; for the most part I have found this to be true. Once a certain level in our Great Work is achieved lips start getting tighter and tighter. Think about it, would you want anyone in the world to know that you possess and know how to reproduce the most valuable Medicine on Earth? The words of the Sages describing the properties of the Philosopher's Stone is not a circlejerk for a writing competition lasting thousands of years. These are men & women who have successfully penetrated the Gate, Key in hand, and pierced the Inner Veil.

Regardless of how many particulars you have completed in the lab, for you to describe our Art as the "difference between fishing and the story told about it" at best demonstrates inferior understanding and lackluster comprehension of the very Art you claim to practice.


That is one reason why I only give operational advice for the work in the laboratory to someone that is actually working in the lab. And that is only in private. If you can get that tar baby out of the briar patch you are halfway there.
Agreed!

Awani
08-05-2017, 07:55 AM
Chasm was banned for the same reason anyone has been banned: breaking the rules and guidelines

Also regarding the rest of your post I conclude one of either:

1. you are Chasm
2. people in alchemy are so gullible

Edit: gullible is not really the word I am satisfied with in hindsight, "boring" is a better one. Lol.

:p

Axismundi000
08-05-2017, 11:37 AM
@ZoK my lab is in the house in a spare room. The stench from just one run of Hollandus opera vegetabilia was unlike anything else I had done. Other works produce the occasional noxious odour but can be contained in the Lab with air freshener outside, the Hollandus work stank out the entire house for days after just one run. I wish to remain married.

The other big no no for me even outside in the garden would be boiling my own piss, someone I know did that in their back yard and their wife could be observed desperately putting towels at window frames and the bottom of outside doors. The stench was indescribable. Putrefaction and stench must be localised in Alchemy and all other aspects of life I personally feel.

Schmuldvich
08-05-2017, 01:38 PM
The other big no no for me even outside in the garden would be boiling my own piss, someone I know did that in their back yard and their wife could be observed desperately putting towels at window frames and the bottom of outside doors. The stench was indescribable.:eek:

Wow! Why on Earth (I mean, under the Sun) would someone ever do this!?

Luxus
08-05-2017, 03:59 PM
I know that our matter separates naturally into the Sun & Moon, what I was getting at is until conjunction (when the Sun is occulted by the moon) does the Sun always remain above the Moon or is there a rotation, sometimes the moon above the Sun.

As for the need of secrecy remember well the law of karma, you are responsible for any harm that results not only by your actions but by your speech also. This is why every Alchemist is reminded not to have a loose tong. Never reveal openly the first matter and never reveal the secret solvent.

Avatar
09-13-2017, 05:45 PM
It seems i need to read Holland's.

Black hole sun
Won't you come
And wash away the rain
Black hole sun
Won't you come
Won't you come (won't you come)

XD Couldn't help myself.

As for the sun and moon. I am under the impression, bath of the sun brings redness. Bath of the moon makes white.
Although I suppose there are many interpretations.

Schmuldvich
10-22-2017, 03:18 PM
https://i.imgur.com/LKrOF6P.jpg