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zoas23
08-09-2017, 06:54 PM
So... what do you think about the expression "in real life"?

I mean in the context of internet forums like this one... when someone says "I'm writing this thing, but in real life I do this and that".

It's an expression that puzzles me. It somehow gives "the intenret" a new ontological status, but that's interesting because in the analogue phone age or in the analogue letters age nobody said "but in real life" whilst making a call or writing a letter.

The expression makes me remember a lot of the first chapter of the Society of the Spectacle: http://www.bopsecrets.org/SI/debord/1.htm

It also makes me think of Ernst Jünger, who went strongly against Nietzsche and his "prophecy" of the Last Man (i.e, the mentality that was going to show up in the future before the age of the supermen or übermenschen).
Jünger thought that Nietzsche was wrong, that his prophecy didn't take place and the "last man" was replaced by the "man-machine":

Man-Machine:
It's not a cyborg, but a person who relies on technology as some sort of extension of his own body and mind. As Jünger said, in the wars of the future there's going to be each time less persons shooting guns and more persons acting as technicians who press buttons.... the only reason for such thing is that a more sophisticated technological medium makes the pain somehow go away... machines don't feel pain, a man-machine is more efficient to murder others without much guilt, a man-machine will also be less afraid to die during a war, he will be busy with the buttons that he has to press; a new kind of mechanical insensibility.

Of course, Kraftwerk popularized the idea of Jünger (the sci-fi writer J.G. Ballard did it too in some novels, specially "Crash" and "The Atrocity Exhibition").

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkd7LbQnfIQ

It is surprising for me how we (as a civilization, as a culture) went from Calderón de la Barca's "Life is a Dream" to the expression "in real life"... is that an ontological change of how we perceive life?


What is life? A frenzy.
What is life? An illusion,
A shadow, a fiction,
And the greatest good is small;
For all of life is a dream,
And dreams, are only dreams.

Calderón de la Barca in 1636

So... what happens to you when you read "in real life" on the internet? :confused:

Awani
08-09-2017, 07:56 PM
So... what do you think about the expression "in real life"?

I use the hacker term: AFK (away from keyboard)

It is all real life. ;)

:p

Schmuldvich
08-09-2017, 08:07 PM
So... what do you think about the expression "in real life"?

When used the common way it is today, the phrase simply means "in person".

I used the phrase in the thread that spurred this one because when I type on this message board I make effort to avoid using acronyms. In the context of the other thread, I was simply writing out the phrase "in real life" instead of typing the acronym IRL.

"...in the analogue phone age or in the analogue letters age nobody said "but in real life" whilst making a call or writing a letter." Ha! But we do not make phone calls anymore, that's only for schmucks!!! Bruh, ya gotta txt if u wanna respons now. Git wit da program!

Many people have an "online persona" they embrace that does not fully represent their actual life (Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook, etc.). People tend to forget that there is a person on the other side of the keyboard.

I get where you're coming from though...It is a misleading expression. You bring up a good point!

In this day and and age (modern times) much communication is done via the Internet and certain colloquial terms and phrases have their mainstay. This is one of them.

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Regarding the future (which I do not like to openly talk about)...You do already know that we no longer fight wars with people (still do, but are phasing this out), but kill with advanced remote technology. [/I]We have "drones" (airplanes) that fly over the enemy's territory and blow them to smithereens. We have armored land vehicles with nobody inside that can roll up to a location and decimate anyone in the vicinity. We have remote controlled missiles in outer space that can hit any location on Earth to an inch! We have live surveillance of anywhere on this planet at the flip of a switch. The future is here and face-to-face is becoming a thing of the past!

Our children will be having sex with robots instead of their hands. 3D sex apps are already on the market, and in a couple more years will be so realistic and surprisingly close to the real thing physically; only a decade or two more and the lines between "real life" and "reality" will be blurred to obscurity! We can already have sex across the world with someone we've never met [while still being the one pleasing them]. We can already have sex with a computer controlled object that acts and feels like the real thing while someone on the other side of the world experiences the exact size and movements produced. Just wait until you can download any 3D model replication of your favorite person or neighbor's wife just by looking at them, importing it into your sex application and feeling (with gloves that provide resistance and make it feel like you are "feeling" the person--which we already have) whoever you fancy that day. Wait until we can simply look at something or someone and 3D print it at our own home in less than an hour. Oh man, our kids are going to have a lot to deal with, and as parents we are going to have to manage and concern ourselves with things we never imaged!

Kibric
08-10-2017, 01:16 AM
So... what do you think about the expression "in real life"?

In real life i'm a Vampire Wizard King

and long after some annoying teenager stakes me through the heart
and if there's a record of this somewhere and someone's reading it
who's to say I wasn't a Vampire Wizard King

you've gone incredibly profound and deep into one phrase
I guess I've gone the opposite ?
:(

JDP
08-10-2017, 02:15 AM
In real life i'm a Vampire Wizard King

Allow me to introduce myself. My name is... Dr. Van Helsing

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Horror-Icons-Peter-Cushing-092815.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OyCb5-pl3tk/UaH1QuhCsTI/AAAAAAAAEnQ/a9Ib0u0NLco/s1600/cushing-draculastake.jpg

Kibric
08-10-2017, 02:28 AM
you could easily distract me by throwing some seeds on the floor
pesky teenagers.

its undead so lets kill it...
Geniuses.

zoas23
08-10-2017, 02:50 AM
When used the common way it is today, the phrase simply means "in person".
I used the phrase in the thread that spurred this one because when I type on this message board I make effort to avoid using acronyms. In the context of the other thread, I was simply writing out the phrase "in real life" instead of typing the acronym IRL.

Well, yes... I thought of this thread after seeing you using that expression, but the thread is not specifically about you or the context in which you used it, because it is a common expression nowadays.

And then I related it to Jünger and his essay "On Pain", written around 1930. An essay that investigates how we use technology as to avoid pain. His idea is very simple: that we merge with the machines and somehow become a part of them to avoid the experience of pain. His essay is very prophetic, he says that in "the future" (he was writing in 1930) we were going to see "human bombs"... but gives a very strange definition of such thing: a human bomb is not exactly a human carrying a bomb, but a mechanism with different parts... and one of those parts is a human. His idea is that the mechanism is designed to make a person ignore his defence mechanisms and make it easier for him to kill himself (he's no longer a human, but a part of a device that includes a human).
He has the same idea for the "wars of the future" (his future is "now")... that each time they will involve less and less direct fightings and more "buttons"... and a new kind of soldier, the insensitive technician who clicks buttons.


Many people have an "online persona" they embrace that does not fully represent their actual life (Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook, etc.). People tend to forget that there is a person on the other side of the keyboard.

I get where you're coming from though...It is a misleading expression. You bring up a good point!

That's what I meant... and that's why I also thought of Guy Debord:


2. The images detached from every aspect of life fuse in a common stream in which the unity of this life can no longer be reestablished. Reality considered partially unfolds, in its own general unity, as a pseudo-world apart, an object of mere contemplation. The specialization of images of the world is completed in the world of the autonomous image, where the liar has lied to himself. The spectacle in general, as the concrete inversion of life, is the autonomous movement of the non-living.

3. The spectacle presents itself simultaneously as all of society, as part of society, and as instrument of unification. As a part of society it is specifically the sector which concentrates all gazing and all consciousness. Due to the very fact that this sector is separate, it is the common ground of the deceived gaze and of false consciousness, and the unification it achieves is nothing but an official language of generalized separation.

4. The spectacle is not a collection of images, but a social relation among people, mediated by images.

That's interesting for me... the perception of the conversations that take place on the internet as something unreal. As Debord somehow says, a spectacle where the liar lies to himself.

I also relate such thing, pardon me for using you as an example, to the same thread in which you used the expression "in real life"... You asked me to provide evidences or demonstrations of some things. That was weird for me, but weird in the sense that in this *dream* known as the internet we seem not to know what is real and what isn't. We need to check if the things are also real "in real life".


In real life i'm a Vampire Wizard King

and long after some annoying teenager stakes me through the heart
and if there's a record of this somewhere and someone's reading it
who's to say I wasn't a Vampire Wizard King

you've gone incredibly profound and deep into one phrase
I guess I've gone the opposite ?
:(

Yes, you did such thing... thus the obvious question would be asking why you did such thing.
(Probably there's an easy answer... you wanted to say something funny... or you thought that the thread was too silly... or you wanted to show that it's not a big deal... or something else).


Allow me to introduce myself. My name is... Dr. Van Helsing

I am VERY and PROFOUNDLY disappointed at yourself, JDP... I will try to forget this post.
The phrase "Allow me to introduce myself" should always be followed by "I'm a man of wealth and taste (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiIH5PewAzs)"

JDP
08-10-2017, 05:55 AM
I am VERY and PROFOUNDLY disappointed at yourself, JDP... I will try to forget this post.
The phrase "Allow me to introduce myself" should always be followed by "I'm a man of wealth and taste (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiIH5PewAzs)"

In this case a vampire-related crack was deemed more suitable. And come on, when it comes to dealing with the undead it doesn't get any more "classy" than him

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