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True Initiate
08-25-2017, 07:02 PM
This book reveals The Alchemical Practice of Ancient Turkish Freemasons as practisized by Baktashi Order in Turkey. This is what we may call a inner path but according to them it is the only path.
I have uploaded the book for you because i am sure that none of you have ever heard of such Alchemical practice.


08-25-2017, 07:31 PM
yes I know well the book of The Alchemical Practice of Ancient Turkish Freemasons
Of the famous Nazi senbotterdoff
I know well this book because our ex member of our group (one of the our founder dannan/alessandro boella now expelled from us) has 20 years ago translated and public in Italian The Alchemical Practice of Ancient Turkish Freemasons

but in my opinion if there is no transmission of power and it was not from a true master who did not function anyway preternally it is found in the famous order internal hepdar of boyn-ra


True Initiate
08-25-2017, 08:00 PM
Well it is an intriguing book for sure but it is very similar to Franz Bardon school of magic especially in his third book The Key to the True Kabbalah

08-25-2017, 08:33 PM
An interesting work thank you. It resembles more I think runic work with posture sound colour and Divine principles. Key to the True Quaballah specifies things like simultaneously acting in astral mental and physical and the letter propagating infinitely with colour, musical pitch, elemental force and numerical legality. As well as the Divine principle specific to that letter and what modality it is expressed in. Bardon rightly identifies that without extensive preliminary training Key to True Quaballah could injure some trying it without preparation. This Turkish Alchemy book does not specify these other necessary methods or something analogous.

So i think alfr is correct when he says the book is incomplete and lacks the full methodology. It does fill me with appreciation that these methods are being studied and practised by different groups around the world and the 'True Quaballah' persists. Obviously there is no specific Lab Alchemy described in this interesting work.

08-25-2017, 08:44 PM
Everything in this book looks very far-fetched (especially that I A O stuff, you'd think old alchemists would make those letters at least somehow evident). If I didn't know the translator, I'd even say that this book looks like it was made for quick money grab.

I'd even say this book is dangerous, it teaches to work "against the current", and all schemes in the book are inverted. Work should be done starting from the bottom and upward. Even what concerns tha tables in the book: Moon is Ajna, which is situated in pineal gland and projected to forehead and to behind the head. Sun is Manipura; for other table: Linga Sharira (Bhuta) is Moon/Yesod, Sthula Sharira is Materia/Malkuth, and they are totally not Saturn/Jupiter, etc.

Water of Life, it easily comes if you switch the places of Sun and Moon, and you can feel it, it is a very special substance. So is said in the teaching of Kriya Yoga, and so I found in my own practice.

08-25-2017, 09:09 PM
This brings me back, remember seeing it in a bookshop years ago.

Some people supposedly went crazy practising it. I think the author of Alchemy unveiled (cant remember his name) mentions it. He puts it down to delusion through self hypnosis.

08-26-2017, 07:58 AM
To me this Turkish Freemason's Alchemy book good or bad is about Magic not Alchemy. I wonder what other books are around that use the description Alchemy for Magic. It shows perhaps the broader Hermetic pursuit instead of Alchemy or Magic being used as catch-all terms.

True Initiate
08-26-2017, 08:48 AM
Is it Magic or Alchemy? Well i hope there is a difference. The Ancient alchemists have worked according to their theories but from our modern perspective some of their theories were pretty whacky.

08-26-2017, 11:28 AM
In my view there is a difference between Alchemy and Magic so the title is misleading. This adds weight to the view that this work was published by a person who didn't properly understand this type of material and put the Alchemy word in the title to help it sell.

08-26-2017, 11:45 AM
Definition of Alchemy:


Definition of Magic:


So I think this book The Alchemical Practice of Ancient Turkish Freemasons actually falls more into the field of Magic whether or not it is good book it is still interesting. It appeared roughly around the same time as the armamen runic books that had analogous methods with runes. Both this book and the armamen stuff predate Bardon's Key to the True Quaballah which describes techniques not mentioned in the earlier works. Whether or not any of these have any efficacy would require practical experimentation and some risk to the researchers well-being I suspect.

True Initiate
08-26-2017, 12:18 PM
As i said i really hope that The Practice of Ancient Turkish Freemasons has nothing to do with our european metallurgical alchemy but they are some signs which are suggesting that it may have been. One of those is none other than Timothy Hogan, head of the modern Knights Templar speaks about Sufi tradition in this video beginning at 12:00 minutes into the video.


For those who doesn't know who Timothy Hogan is, this is a great introduction:

08-26-2017, 06:23 PM
Interesting stuff I carried on to the end of this clip but again no actual Lab Alchemy. More about ceremonies and symbolism. Perhaps some of the symbolism is Alchemical but I'm not a Templar or Freemason so perhaps have missed these.

Generally interesting I think I will listen to more of his stuff when I'm playing elite dangerous I was looking for good material for use whilst I'm video gaming. Cool actual lab stuff as well in the other thread, thanks.

True Initiate
08-26-2017, 08:08 PM
He talks about alchemy practice from 11:30 to 14:00 minutes when he talks about: si si si sa sa sa so so so...
This is how this lab work is performed. It has nothing to do with chemisty lab.

In the book page 10 to 11:


True Initiate
08-26-2017, 08:37 PM
Here is another document on how to perform Lab work. If somebody have scribd account please download this doc and share it here.

08-26-2017, 08:40 PM
Thanks for explaining. As a Thelemite my position is that the old formula IAO is abrogate in this new Aeon. Probably why I missed this 'mystery'. We live in a heliocentric solar system, the sun always shines and is approx 93 million miles away from us, it does not die to be reborn each morning. IAO is completely outmoded which is why I didn't give it much attention.

As in the book the demarcation between Magic and Alchemy is not clear from your posts. What you say about IAO relates historically just as much to magic ritual as Alchemy lab work but you are reductionist and just say 'it is Alchemy'. My personal view is that inner Alchemy is pretty much synonymous with meditation and on occasion Magic hence my confusion to find this in the practical Alchemy section if this forum. I seem to be labouring under the false assumption that practical Alchemy involves lab work. There is a finite amount of watching of shadows flickering on the Neoplatonic cave wall a fellow can take.

True Initiate
08-26-2017, 08:53 PM
It is not me saying this is the only alchemy that there is but this Sufi Bektashi Order. What if Fulcanelli was describing exactly this path? Who knows for sure? There are a lot of flat earthers nowadays just type in flat earth society on youtube.


True Initiate
08-26-2017, 09:26 PM
AUM is one of the best known mantras. Fulcanelli has to say this about it:


AUM is widely mentioned in the Bhagavad Gita where the mantra AUM is an essential part of its teachings and practice. Krishna tells Arjuna:
‘O Arjuna, I am the taste of pure water, and the light of the moon and the sun. I am the essential nature of the mantra AUM mentioned in the holy scriptures, the sound in ether, as well as the courage and virility of human beings.’ – verse 7.8