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zoas23
10-04-2017, 06:22 AM
Hello,
I am writing and feeling quite scared at the same time. I had to take a tranquilizer for I was shaking.

Some weeks ago a person with whom I had never talked to before decided that I am "Rhoend". I was simply in a small forum in which he was a member too.
I somehow laughed at the idea, but didn't pay much attention.

On the next day something odd happened:
1) My phone was hacked... I do not know much about computers and hacking (well, I know nothing actually, I simply know how to make webs in a quite primitive way). The hack simply made my phone write by itself random words in Spanish with insults and other meaningless words, something like: "Idiot marzipan asshole son of a bitch champagne motherfucker table bastard porcupine". The button to turn it off was blocked, it didn't work. The applications didn't work either, I couldn't run the anti-virus... and I finally managed to go to the settings and "restore the phone to its original state" (i.e, I deleted EVERYTHING). Such thing worked and the whole thing got fixed.

2) I found out later that I had been expelled from ALL the spanish speaking forums related to alchemy. Someone had taken the time to write to the moderators of each damn forum as to say something (I have no idea of what they said) and get me banned.

3) I found out later an anonymous web stating that I am Rhoend (Actually that Sebastián Jarré and I are Rhoend).

That's what happened on the day #1 of this nightmare.

Some days later some former friends told me that I am Rhoend... which is silly, because they know me (and they were persons who liked Rhoend and were in good terms with him).

What comes next is not chronological, I am too stressed as to make a chronological description:

As the days went by the anonymous web began to grow with some absurd ideas. Photos of me, my phone number, all my contact information and an explanation that the truth behind "Rhoend" is that it's me, and that I am the leader of a Satanic Cult that makes some sort of satanic rituals influenced by Aleister Crowley to rape or abuse women and an invitation to sue me because of my "frauds" or "swindles".

I was also contacted by 3 persons:
1) a friend whom I have seen for the first time in a recent travel to Europe... acting as the "messenger" of those who were writing that page (I know who they are and their messenger confirmed such thing to me). He told me that he knew that I am not Rhoend, but that his other friends were too enraged as to think. His idea was to negotiate a peace. He told me that the idea was a skype conversation with everyone involved, which I accepted. However the persons who attacked me decided not to do it because Rhoend had published a video that offended them or something like that.

2) A person from Latin America who told me that he was betraying a friend, but he felt the moral obligation to inform me that there was a plan to murder me.

3) A person from Spain who told me exactly the same thing and doesn't know this other person (well, maybe he does, I think he doesn't). He simply told me that my phone had been hacked and that there's a lot of information about me... but that my concern should not be the information that was published anonymously, but my life.... because there is a plan to murder me.

I got in touch with Rhoend and with Sebastian Jarré... because the whole thing was INSANE. Rhoend made some videos showing his face and stating that he is not me. Sebastian attacked the attackers with some writings.

In my own case, I preferred to remain silent... but today I saw my address circulating with claims that I am into some sort of Satanic Circle influenced by Aleister Crowley to rape or abuse women. The pages also said that I hide under the alias "Zoas".

So I would like to explain some things:

1) I am not Rhoend and my name is Julian... and my full name is easy to find in my signature here... and my ONLY web is http://salonarcano.com.ar .... which shows my real name and a simple "whois" of the domain will show my name too.

2) EVERYONE who knows me already knows that I am NOT Rhoend. I actually knew that Rhoend existed when there was a controversy in this same forum because of the cost of the book "Legado Hermetico". That's the first time I've heard of Rhoend in my life.

3) I have ZERO influence on what Rhoend writes, does, sells, thinks, acts, etc... Assuming that I have some sort of influence on his writings or photos or whatever is as absurd as assuming that the author of the books by Salazius is actually me (I'm not Rhoend, I'm not Salazius, I'm not JDC, I'm not Illen A. Cluff... and my name is Julian).

4) It is TRUE that from time to time I receive gifts by mail that Rhoend sends me. In most cases it is lab stuff, in some other cases it is things like rings, masks, even a bag, electronic devices... Why he sends that stuff? I have no idea... though when I receive them I write a "thank you note". Other than that I do not remember to have discussed anything related to alchemy with Rhoend in my whole life... I have the weird tendency to talk about random things (books, movies, my ideas about love, something that happened during the day... art, etc). Though I have not talked much with Rhoend during my life. I have never seen him face to face... and I have sent him some photos of me and he did the same, sending me photos of him (though not photos related to alchemy, just silly photos of travels, etc). I do not know much about him actually.

5) I do not write in any anonymous blog, I find it childish... and "Zoas" is not my "alias". It is just a login name... and even when the "Alchemy Forums Anthology" was published I discussed (in a friendly way) with Awani because he wanted me to sign my article as "Zoas23"... and I told him that I wanted my name there, that he could ALSO add "Zoas23" if he wanted to, but that it's just a damn login name. If the other authors of the second issue happen to hurry up, then the second issue will show my name too, just like the first.

6) I saw a caption that is circulating of a copyright denounce in youtube (I don't even get which video was denounced or who was denounced), but here's the caption:

https://s1.postimg.org/8f0kkxdkn3/Sin-t_tulo-1.png/

This has been used in several websites to "disclose" that I am Rhoend.
I would like to clarify some issues: I have no idea if that is a fake caption or a weird "joke" that someone did using photoshop. What I have to say about it is:
a) I did not write ANY denounce on youtube related to videos of Rhoend.
b) The web rhoend.com does not belong to me.
c) I have nothing to denounce for I have no copyrights on "symbols" or "watermarks" or whatever that belong to Rhoend.
d) I have not participated in the making of ANY video that Rhoend ever published, filmed, created, edited, etc... so I have zero copyrights on them... thus I have nothing to denounce.
e) I have NEVER talked about "rituals" with Rhoend... and I have to clarify this issue because these anonymous webs claim that I am Rhoend, but also that I have influenced Rhoend with "occult symbolism". I have zero influence on what Rhoend does and I have not even talked about any kind of "ritual" with him. In the same way that I have not talked about such thing with Sophia, since there is a claim that a video of Sophia (a friend of Rhoend) which has some ritualistic tone was conceived by me.
I have never talked to Sophia, I have never seen Sophia.
ALL I know about that video is that I was talking to Sebastian and Sophia phoned him stating that she wanted to make a video for Rhoend... and asked Sebastian if he wanted to help her by filming, he agreed and since I know a thing or too about cinema, then Sebastian asked me if I was OK with helping him to film something that she wanted to film. I said "OK". He called 15 minutes later saying that Sophia was going to be filmed by a relative of her, so I said "OK"... I didn't care much and it was a rainy day. So that's the ONLY video in which I ALMOST participated, but I didn't (I simply was invited to help to film and then told 15 minutes later that such thing wasn't needed... other than that, I had no idea of what was going to be filmed until I saw the video a few days later).
f) So yes, I do not know Rhoend face to face and I have never talked to Sophia.

7) I have ZERO relation with Satanism... I am simply not interested in such thing, I can only imagine "Satanism" as a group of 15 years old nerds playing something like Dungeons and Dragons. As for Aleister Crowley, I honestly think that he was a clown... and not really an interesting person. He is not an author I am interested in at all.

8) As for "Satanic rituals to rape women"... Not much to say on the subject, I don't know if the person who write that stuff is on drugs or something. I have some weird life choices, one of them is to be strictly monogamous... and I do endorse feminism and gender equality. Raping someone is something I would NEVER do. Other than that, I do NOT participate in ANY ritual that involves any kind of sexual thing (I am not into tantra either or anything like that).

9) Besides from being insane to write such things... writing such thing next to my photo and all my contact information opens the very dangerous door of having someone reading some thing and believe that there is any reality into it.... and decide to attack me physically. It is truly PSYCHOPATH to happily write such nonsense as to invite people to attack me.

10) Other than that, 2 persons talked to me about a plan to "murder me". Yes, I am scared. It's not nice to see all that bullshit written and also my contact information.

11) Again... I am not Rhoend. I sign all the works I publish with my real name. The most recent one was a prologue for a French translations of the british painter Austin Osman Spare, which were published by a friend and who invited me and Alan Moore to write a prologue. My prologue is signed with my name, Moore's prologue is signed with his name... and I am not Moore either.

12) The pages publicly insist with inviting everyone to sue me because of my FRAUDS. I publicly invite anyone who wants it to write here which "fraud" are those pages talking about. I have never swindled anyone.

13) Today a person told me: "we have hacked you and we have all your information, the truth will come out. This was done by someone who works for the Argentinean government". I honestly have nothing to hide... my whole house can be searched and you will find books, cats, my axolotl, paintings... but nothing that involves any crime, nor anything that I am ashamed of... though an invasion of my privacy is not exactly nice.

There are other details, but I don't want to make this whole thing too long.
I have tried to contact the persons writing this stuff without much response, I had to block their "messenger" from my contacts because some photos of me are being posted and I am unable to trust anyone (even if I have meet the "messenger" face to face in Europe recently and I can state that he is a very kind person and we had fun talking about life).

I have heard ALL the possible theories about who is Rhoend. My answer right now is that I do not care about who is Rhoend... and if you have theories about it, feel free to discuss them in ANOTHER THREAD. I am simply making this thread because I am being the victim of a very violent diffamation that even opens the door to any lunatic to come and attack me... and because 2 persons have talked to me about a "murder plan" (Which I do not know if it is real or not). I have also heard that one of the persons who is attacking me received some sort of death threat from me... well, no, I am a damn vegetarian since 30 years ago and I absolutely reject violence against sentient beings (let's not discuss about plants being sentient beings too here, please). I didn't write ANY death threat, nor I would.

I am not into making anonymous blogs... and since I know that the 3 persons who are attacking me follow this web, I would like to invite them to contact me. They perfectly know where to find me (well, right now the whole world knows where to find me)... and talk... and find a solution to this bad horror movie. This whole thing is INSANE.

And if you have a problem with Rhoend... then discuss it with Rhoend... He is not me.
I simply want this very unpleasant situation to finish, I do not care about what happened or how it all started, but I will quote a friend: "STOP IT".

As simple as that: STOP IT.

So I am kindly asking those who write that I am into satanic raping rituals and that I am Rhoend to stop assuming that their fantasies are realities. I do have a life and I am happy with it... and you are truly harming me. And I know that Sebastian and Rhoend are stricking too, so it's like a nuclear war. As the proverb says: "There are no winners in a nuclear war". After seeing today my contact information posted on websites I didn't dare to leave my house even to go to the supermarket and buy food to eat and as soon as I finish this message I am moving to the house of a friend and I will be staying there until this situation finishes.

Can you please contact me so we can finish with this bullshit which is simply harming everyone that for some reason or other got involved? The solution is simple: STOP IT.

I do no longer care about what happened, what lead to this insane situation, by now the ONLY solution is a simple STOP IT. You know, someone is going to end up DEAD if this shit goes on... and the ones who remain alive will have their lives made a mess... what is the fucking point of such thing?

Other than that, I will no longer post here for I am not posting ANYTHING on the internet because I am scared.

Schmuldvich
10-04-2017, 12:50 PM
Wow!! Wild news!

I can only imagine the level of fear and insecurity you are experiencing right now. I wish you the best! Give a friend your login details so that we can know if you die (it's probably all idle threats). When you get a chance and feel safer post an update; this is all next-level absurd and disheartening.

Kiorionis
10-04-2017, 01:13 PM
Hope everything goes well for you, zoas.

Illen A. Cluf
10-04-2017, 01:31 PM
Zoas, please - PLEASE, contact the authorities about this. A death threat is not to be taken lightly.

zoas23
10-04-2017, 01:33 PM
I have just received a death threat by phone. Someone talking with a distorted voice.

alfr
10-04-2017, 02:09 PM
Dear friend Julian

maximum solidarity i and our group Prometeo

( see that this crazy now threaten you by telephone, advice of denounce immediately this at the police authority )

dear friend we are very sorry for all this disgusting situations
all the ignominious lies that they are putting up against you are disgusting
all this is a real disgust YOU NOT ARE RHOEDN AD THIS IGNORANT MUST WELL... UNDERSTOOD IT...

(but NB your footage on which these ignorant these ignorant accuse and unfold with their ignorant and lousy lies the your video etc they are beautiful and deep and full of deep symbolic are beautiful and deep and full of deep symbolic alchemic and esoteric very compliments )

and therefore I hope and let's hope like ours group prometeo ..

that all this disgust against you must ENDS IMMEDIATLY ...

maximum solidarity with you Julian

and SO here I turn an INVITATION / WARNIG VERY hard and E VERY clear and very EXPLICITE...

END immediately molest julian so STOP IT IMMEDIATLY

nb this warnig are for the well know persons that molest our dear friend Julian
an THIS WARNIG for now it is in form bonariously STILL but only for now..
( NB we know very well who are these psychopaths crazy persons : A, AL, MC, J, etc and where these they psychopaths crazy persons live addresses houses etc MEXICO, AR, SP, etc ..and we not never play.. and we not pacifist.. and in our lives and the actions of the prometeo group we always apply and will always apply the SACRED law of the taglione eye for eye and tooth for tooth (for wel understood it can read in google our history and our clear action that is not only in eropa but.. also in america country etc we have one very widespread network.. also in mexico etc..SO and after well read it in google etc SO yuo that molest MUST considered very very well this clear warnig and well understood this ..WARNIG ..STILL for now bonariously... )

and SO here I turn an INVITATION / WARNIG VERY hard and E VERY clear and very EXPLICITE...

to those who are molesting you coming from our very well-known .... prometeo group ...

END immediately molest julian so STOP IT IMMEDIATLY

maximum solidarity with you alfr and all our group prometeo

Kibric
10-04-2017, 05:34 PM
a group dedicated to killing satanists is going to get a lot of attention from satanists
(every government in the world)
and if they end up killing innocents, they have become what they hate


I am simply not interested in such thing, I can only imagine "Satanism" as a group of 15 years old nerds playing something like Dungeons and Dragons. As for Aleister Crowley, I honestly think that he was a clown... and not really an interesting person. He is not an author I am interested in at all.

oh no....its all over the western world

contact the police, but probably a few of them are satanists
they're everywhere
a group who tries to hunt them down is opening a can of worms

unless this whole thing is a farce and someone is trying to scare you for some perceived slight
verifying that you are not Rhoend should of been easy...
as you said you are not hiding who you are

i wish you the best Zoa, don't let fear be used as a weapon against you

elixirmixer
10-04-2017, 09:35 PM
i was actually going to buy Rhoends book for like $1200AU, just so i could learn some SM secrets, however Zoas convinced me out of buying it and wasting my money, while at the same time teachings me what i needed to know. No scammer here, quite an honourable and decent fellow in my experience. Not that I need to tell anybody from this forum....

Illen A. Cluf
10-04-2017, 10:16 PM
i was actually going to buy Rhoends book for like $1200AU, just so i could learn some SM secrets, however Zoas convinced me out of buying it and wasting my money, while at the same time teachings me what i needed to know. No scammer here, quite an honourable and decent fellow in my experience. Not that I need to tell anybody from this forum....

Anybody who would even consider buying any book for $1200 has some very loose screws in their head.

Awani
10-04-2017, 11:34 PM
Anybody who would even consider buying any book for $1200 has some very loose screws in their head.

I have been planning to buy this for a few years now (seen prices between $1200 and $2000): https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Teachings-All-Ages-Encyclopedic/dp/B001EWLTHG

As big as a fucking coffee table. Full size color images. Impressive as fuck. I have the normal book, but want this one.

:p

pierre
10-05-2017, 12:53 AM
It is a complete madness what you tell us!
There are people very sick in the world.
We live enough nearby.
For what you need, any time, just let me know.
A big hug!

elixirmixer
10-05-2017, 02:18 AM
For some, knowledge of the Holy Spirit is considered most sacred and of high value.

Jesus - "The kingdom of Heaven is like a man who found a treasure in a field, and sold all he had and bought that field."

Illen A. Cluf
10-05-2017, 02:47 AM
I have been planning to buy this for a few years now (seen prices between $1200 and $2000): https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Teachings-All-Ages-Encyclopedic/dp/B001EWLTHG

As big as a fucking coffee table. Full size color images. Impressive as fuck. I have the normal book, but want this one.

:p

I bought that book decades ago, and it was relatively inexpensive at the time. It's a great book, and only costs about $20 on Amazon. I believe I also saw a free electronic version online somewhere.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=secret+teaching+of+all+ages

zoas23
10-05-2017, 06:30 AM
It is a complete madness what you tell us!
There are people very sick in the world.
We live enough nearby.
For what you need, any time, just let me know.
A big hug!

Thank you, Pierre.
And thanks for the offer of helping. Sadly there's not much you can do.
The ones who CAN do something are free to get in touch with me and fix this insanity of death threats, incredibly weird accusations, invasion of my privacy... I do expect they will behave like adults.
But the moral support is appreciated.
These last days have not been exactly easy.

Also, a lot of persons here were in touch with me through facebook, which I mostly use for working reasons, I had to delete my account for it was being used to display photos of me next to false allegations (i.e, someone has been taking photos of my facebook and then placing them on websites with bullshit next to them).

Andro
10-05-2017, 06:48 AM
Some people are messing with matters they don't understand.

The madness won't stop until certain lessons are learned, an ALL sides.

Quite a few Alchemists actually died on their quest, in our time here.

You all know who they are/were.

The world is insane enough as it is.

Let's not make it even more so.

zoas23
10-05-2017, 07:07 AM
Some people are messing with matters they don't understand.

The madness won't stop until certain lessons are learned, an ALL sides.

Quite a few Alchemists actually died on their quest, in our time here.

You all know who they are/were.

The world is insane enough as it is.

Let's not make it even more so.

I actually know what you mean... and I won't make some comments here, though I mostly agree with you.

BUT I would like to use your comment to clarify one more thing:

I do not have a "side". I have received many supporting messages from friends and also many hideous messages with a weird thing: opinions about "my side" and "the other side".

I do not have a side... there isn't a side called "Julian-Sebastian-Rhoend". I am myself and ONLY responsible for MY actions.

I am not part of a "team". There's no such thing as "my side" (if such thing means Rhoend and Sebastian). I have enough with being myself... and I am not in charge of what Sebastian or Rhoend decide to do. I have explained such thing to all the persons who suddenly began to talk to me in plural... I'm not a Leviathan made out of the compost of several bodies... and I am happy with not being part of any "team" or "side" or "whatever".

Other than that, I get what you mean... and some day we'll talk about it in private if you want to, but I can ONLY talk about what I may understand or not... what I may do right nor not... what I may change of myself or not... My side has nothing to learn, for "my side" simply doesn't exist. A "group therapy" needs a group and there isn't one here.

Axismundi000
10-05-2017, 08:08 AM
I dread to think what this book by Rhoend really is, I doubt it is by Manley P Hall.

Edit: hmmmmm.... why the obfuscation this book is clearly not by Manly P Hall unless it’s the same contents with different book cover. All I can say is caveat emptor unless you have money to burn!

http://www.lulu.com/shop/roark-rhoend/hermetic-legacy/hardcover/product-22918604.html

If zoas23 has not contacted police about repeated death threats from multiple sources why not?

The use of doxing, online attacks, accusations and psychological games shows a low grade of opponent. Any experienced hermeticist who had fallen into malificum would deal with an opponent in the customary manner. They would not need to bother with such petty tactics. In fact this suggests to me a lack of genuine magical ability from all parties concerned. Accomplished Alchemists do not I think have such trouble or seek to make these troubles for others.

Awani
10-05-2017, 09:39 AM
I bought that book decades ago, and it was relatively inexpensive at the time. It's a great book, and only costs about $20 on Amazon. I believe I also saw a free electronic version online somewhere.


I why the obfuscation this book is clearly not by Manly P Hall unless it’s the same contents with different book cover. All I can say is caveat emptor unless you have money to burn!

You guys don't understand. This is a special edition of the book. It is huge. As big as half a car door. Full on color (all those images). Each page could be ripped out and hung on the wall.


I dread to think what this book by Rhoend really is, I doubt it is by Manley P Hall.

Of course it isn't. I just tried to explain that there are books I would buy that were that expensive.

:p

zoas23
10-05-2017, 10:13 AM
O.K... Axis, this time you managed to really disappoint me with your comments.


If zoas23 has not contacted police about repeated death threats from multiple sources why not?

I never said if I contacted the police of not... but if you are curious about it: I will not say if I contacted the police or not... or explain why.


The use of doxing, online attacks, accusations and psychological games shows a low grade of opponent. Any experienced hermeticist who had fallen into malificum would deal with an opponent in the customary manner. They would not need to bother with such petty tactics. In fact this suggests to me a lack of genuine magical ability from all parties concerned. Accomplished Alchemists do not I think have such trouble or seek to make these troubles for others.

I do not make online attacks (nor offline attacks). This post, and I mean the first post I made, is a way to make some people consider what they are doing.
I have willingly not commented some issues which would make the life of 3 persons who are attacking me and sending me death threats become a mess... but I perfectly know when I am going to do it: NEVER. I absolutely refuse to do it. We all choose some ways of behaving and that's MY way, which I am not willing to change, not even if such thing may give me a "benefit" (of course, such thing depends on the definition of "benefit", but my definition may not match yours... in my own case, I do refuse to harm the life of another person, even if this other person is doing such thing to me).

These last days I've had enough of people projecting their own hallucinations into me and assuming that such things are realities. My ways are my ways... they are not the ways of Rhoend, they are not the ways of Sebastian, they are not the ways of the 3 persons who attack me, they are not your ways either... and I am actually happy because of such fact. When you mention the idea of seeking to cause troubles for others, I have little to say about it, mostly that I do not do such thing.

When it comes to my manners, I can simply say that 2 persons helped me a lot to understand what ethics and kindness means and which ways to follow. Johnn and Peter, who gave me a lesson (or gift) that I won't ever forget. A nice song that may explain a lot of ideas I have about how to behave:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvVdySem-Xc
(oh, yes, that video again)

Thanks a lot for your support (or fantasies), Axis. That's honestly NOT something that helps in this situation. My perspectives and your perspectives certainly do not match.

Feel free to share your ideas about your alleged "magical powers" elsewhere. In this thread I am trying to get in touch with 3 persons and make them consider their actions and clarify some issues which are relevant to ME.

I have no idea of what leads you to post something like what you posted, but I won't waste a second thinking about it. Have a nice life.

Illen A. Cluf
10-05-2017, 01:10 PM
You guys don't understand. This is a special edition of the book. It is huge. As big as half a car door. Full on color (all those images). Each page could be ripped out and hung on the wall.



I do understand fully. What I don't understand is why anyone would pay so much for a book when an inexpensive $20 version will provide the same information. It's the information that's valuable, not the outward appearance.

Axismundi000
10-05-2017, 01:18 PM
O.K... Axis, this time you managed to really disappoint me with your comments.



I never said if I contacted the police of not... but if you are curious about it: I will not say if I contacted the police or not... or explain why.



I do not make online attacks (nor offline attacks). This post, and I mean the first post I made, is a way to make some people consider what they are doing.
I have willingly not commented some issues which would make the life of 3 persons who are attacking me and sending me death threats become a mess... but I perfectly know when I am going to do it: NEVER. I absolutely refuse to do it. We all choose some ways of behaving and that's MY way, which I am not willing to change, not even if such thing may give me a "benefit" (of course, such thing depends on the definition of "benefit", but my definition may not match yours... in my own case, I do refuse to harm the life of another person, even if this other person is doing such thing to me).

These last days I've had enough of people projecting their own hallucinations into me and assuming that such things are realities. My ways are my ways... they are not the ways of Rhoend, they are not the ways of Sebastian, they are not the ways of the 3 persons who attack me, they are not your ways either... and I am actually happy because of such fact. When you mention the idea of seeking to cause troubles for others, I have little to say about it, mostly that I do not do such thing.

When it comes to my manners, I can simply say that 2 persons helped me a lot to understand what ethics and kindness means and which ways to follow. Johnn and Peter, who gave me a lesson (or gift) that I won't ever forget. A nice song that may explain a lot of ideas I have about how to behave:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvVdySem-Xc
(oh, yes, that video again)

Thanks a lot for your support (or fantasies), Axis. That's honestly NOT something that helps in this situation. My perspectives and your perspectives certainly do not match.

Feel free to share your ideas about your alleged "magical powers" elsewhere. In this thread I am trying to get in touch with 3 persons and make them consider their actions and clarify some issues which are relevant to ME.

I have no idea of what leads you to post something like what you posted, but I won't waste a second thinking about it. Have a nice life.

Most of the above is opinion there is only one salient point:

Zoas23 states he has had death threats from multiple sources but is not prepared to say whether or not he has contacted the local police force regarding these threats or explain why he has or has not done so. Unless a loved one is being held hostage in which case why post this issue online? this is absurd. The military junta in Argentina finished fairly quickly after the Falklands (Malvinas) conflict the police have a job to do in a democracy. Zoas23 go to the police give a statement stating who exactly gave you the warnings and when the anonymous phone call was received for Gods sake! Who cares what I think or whether or not you like me!

Awani
10-05-2017, 03:32 PM
I do understand fully. What I don't understand is why anyone would pay so much for a book when an inexpensive $20 version will provide the same information. It's the information that's valuable, not the outward appearance.

For the same reason a Picasso does not cost 20 bucks. Some books are content only, some are works of art. For those who went to the Ritman Library in Amsterdam with me a few years ago know what I am talking about.

Regarding zoas23: give him advice, but don't put down his way of dealing with it... no one is in his shoes right now. I guess that goes for any situation in life.

:p

Illen A. Cluf
10-05-2017, 04:21 PM
For the same reason a Picasso does not cost 20 bucks. Some books are content only, some are works of art.

Oh! For the art, I can understand. But that is quite different than that book from Rhoend, which I assume does not contain masterpiece works of art. Likely doesn't contain any real "adept" information either.

Sorry - I think we're getting off-topic.

Awani
10-05-2017, 05:20 PM
Oh! For the art, I can understand. But that is quite different than that book from Rhoend, which I assume does not contain masterpiece works of art. Likely doesn't contain any real "adept" information either.

Sorry - I think we're getting off-topic.

I was simply defending the position that some books can be worth lots of money. As for the Rhoend book I can't say neither YES or NO since I don't know two shits about it to be honest.

:p

elixirmixer
10-05-2017, 09:37 PM
@Illen & Dev: Carl J Jung's "The Red Book" is another coffee table sized books costing about $300 from memory, full colour, awesome artworks. Great oversized-coloured book!

@ Zoas & Axis.

I don't think Axis was implying that you attack people online, I think he was saying that the people who are attacking you are not very spiritually developed if they resort to online bullying.

Axis, what are the "usual methods" for dealing with dickheads, hermetically, because I've got a crazy dickhead I'm dealing with ATM and it's wasting a lot of my energy.

Zoas, I feel sorry for your situation, no one should be made to feel unsafe. I hope your girlfriend catches them and kicks the fuck out of them.

It sounded like this has something to do with an internal, Spanish community, involving somehow Alfr. Alfr seems to have tried to send a message to his special Freemason hunting tribe of freedom fighters. Perhaps it is one of these freedom fighters, as I know that Alfr knows of Rhoend as well.

Anyway, seems like the best bet for you (other than calling the police) would be to further discuss things with Alfr and find out for sure if it was people from his club. Obviously it is a miss-understanding, since they think your Rhoend.

And it's no surprise to me that Rhoend has death threats, he is capable of being an extremely rude and arrogant fuckwit, as well as selling sacred secrets for high dollars, which you yourself most generously shared and discussed with me for free.

If anyone kills you Zoas I will be so mad at them. :mad:

Axismundi000
10-05-2017, 10:36 PM
The kind of thing you are asking about tends to be very nasty stuff Elixirmixer. People I have met who have fallen into such malificum will not bother you unless you have something they want or they think you are standing in their way. So for example this Rhoend guy is presumably losing book sales when zoas23 helps people so they don’t need to buy the expensive book, but they are not an accomplished occultist so they do Doxing and intimidation against zoas23 instead ( hopefully just intimidation zoas23 really needs to report these crimes if he hasn’t already).

This guy that is bothering you Elixirmixer, what does he want that you have? Or what are you stopping him from getting? Or is he someone left over from your previous lifestyle that you spiritually struggled and evolved away from and he is resentful but misses you perhaps?

Luxus
10-06-2017, 01:00 PM
Zoas23,

These people are probably kids, computer nerds...I would not worry about it. If you know the ones responsible confront them. I would turn up on their doorstep and then see how confident they feel.

I honestly don't know who this Rhoend guy is, I googled and found a few fake images of the philosophers stone and glow powder in a test-tube.

Even if you were him what has he done that would make people want to kill him other then sell overpriced books?

I mean if he is a member of some Magik sex cult well such things are more common then people would believe golden dawn etc

JDP
10-06-2017, 01:22 PM
Even if you were him what has he done that would make people want to kill him other then sell overpriced books?

That's what I was wondering as well. What did this "Rhoend" fellow do that is so bad that some people want him dead? Composing and selling overpriced books full of phony-baloney claims might be enough reason for some people to want to kick your ass, but I would hardly call that an argument to try to justify murder.

Illen A. Cluf
10-06-2017, 02:01 PM
That's what I was wondering as well. What did this "Rhoend" fellow do that is so bad that some people want him dead? Composing and selling overpriced books full of phony-baloney claims might be enough reason for some people to want to kick your ass, but I would hardly call that an argument to try to justify murder.

I think the reason is quite obvious from the first post which provides the much more serious reason for the threat: that, according to Zoas' own statement, they think that he is "into some sort of Satanic Circle influenced by Aleister Crowley to rape or abuse women". I don't think it has anything to do with the ridiculous price of "Rhoend's" pretentious book. My feeling is that it's even more serious than that. It's likely not just about the rape or abuse of women (serious enough on its own), but the possible rape and abuse of innocent children as reported in various News articles regarding the alleged rituals of certain Satanic cults.

As I said before, this could potentially become a very serious matter that the authorities should definitely be informed of.

Luxus
10-06-2017, 03:26 PM
I think the reason is quite obvious from the first post which provides the much more serious reason for the threat: that, according to Zoas' own statement, they think that he is "into some sort of Satanic Circle influenced by Aleister Crowley to rape or abuse women". I don't think it has anything to do with the ridiculous price of "Rhoend's" pretentious book. My feeling is that it's even more serious than that. It's likely not just about the rape or abuse of women (serious enough on its own), but the possible rape and abuse of innocent children as reported in various News articles regarding the alleged rituals of certain Satanic cults.

As I said before, this could potentially become a very serious matter that the authorities should definitely be informed of.

All magikal orders based on Aleister Crowley involve "sex magik". Aleister Crowley was a dirty depraved pervert so if you join such a cult man or woman you can expect to be sexually abused and peer pressure placed on you to do all kinds of weird stuff passed off as "magik".

Now if these cults have devolved further then they already are to hunting down people outside their cult and sexually abusing them then the police should be notified. It should be noted as someone pointed out above there are people in high places involved in such satanic cults. It goes all the way up to members of the government.

The victims must come forward if they exist and it is not all just accusation.

zoas23
10-06-2017, 04:03 PM
I think the reason is quite obvious from the first post which provides the much more serious reason for the threat: that, according to Zoas' own statement, they think that he is "into some sort of Satanic Circle influenced by Aleister Crowley to rape or abuse women". I don't think it has anything to do with the ridiculous price of "Rhoend's" pretentious book. My feeling is that it's even more serious than that. It's likely not just about the rape or abuse of women (serious enough on its own), but the possible rape and abuse of innocent children as reported in various News articles regarding the alleged rituals of certain Satanic cults. As I said before, this could potentially become a very serious matter that the authorities should definitely be informed of.

Yes, the vague accusations (diffamation actually) open the door to many interpretations, the abuse of children is indeed one of them.
Others may arrive to different ideas which I can't even imagine (weird rituals involving murders?).
I've had a conversation with someone who acts on their behalf as a messenger yesterday.
I asked if they think that ANYTHING they write about me is true, he said "no" and that it was certainly lies and weird allegations to destroy my life, but that the aim is not me, but Rohend. I asked if they BELIEVE that I am a satanist or a raper, I was told that I am obviously none of these things.
I asked if they BELIEVE that I am Rohend and the person acting on their behalf said "no", that I am obviously not Rohend.
... BUT that they will keep on writing nonsense about me until Rohend follows a some instructions or does some things they want him to do.
I explained them that they are risking my life, so I've been told that I should talk to Rohend and persuade Rohend to follow their instructions.
I told him that they can fucking talk to Rohend instead of talking to someone unrelated to their *problems* with him.
I was explained that I am somehow like the "weapon" they have and that if something happens to me it will be Rohend's fault.
After explaining that I am unrelated to their mental *problems* with Rohend, I was told to talk to Rohend and give him some orders.

I will leave the "messenger" in peace for he has been kind with me when I went to Europe and he invited me to dinner and helped me with finding places to stay and helped me with finding some nice places to visit... and some day he will open his eyes and realize that this is blackmailing and playing with my life in something that may even lead to a murder (I mean me being murdered).

The police will be informed of the rest. I will not get involved in "internet flame wars" with psychopaths (or anyone).


All magikal orders based on Aleister Crowley involve "sex magik". Aleister Crowley was a dirty depraved pervert so if you join such a cult man or woman you can expect to be sexually abused and peer pressure placed on you to do all kinds of weird stuff passed off as "magik". Now if these cults have devolved further then they already are to hunting down people outside their cult and sexually abusing them then the police should be notified. It should be noted as someone pointed out above there are people in high places involved in such satanic cults. It goes all the way up to members of the government. The victims must come forward if they exist and it is not all just accusation.

O.K... I am NOT involved in ANYTHING that has any kind of connection with Aleister Crowley (or Satanism). I am not involved in any kind of "sexual ritual", I am aware that some religions (Hinduism) even have some sort of "sacred sexuality" practices (tantra), but I am not involved or interested in such thing either.

This idiocy has crossed ALL the possible limits of decency. I'm sick of trying to negotiate with psychopaths. I simply downloaded all the accusations and threats I have received and they will have to discuss their ideas with the police. I refuse to be the "weapon" they have agaisnt Rohend... specially when such thing means that my life is in danger.


That's what I was wondering as well. What did this "Rhoend" fellow do that is so bad that some people want him dead? Composing and selling overpriced books full of phony-baloney claims might be enough reason for some people to want to kick your ass, but I would hardly call that an argument to try to justify murder.

At this point, I honestly do not care. If these 3 persons have a problem with Rohend, then they will have to talk about such thing with him and with the police. It is not my business, it is not my problem. I won't negotiate with lunatics who have decided that I have some sort of influence on what Rohend writes, does, films or whatever. I don't and I won't end up dead because of their idiocy.
Their game of playing with my life as to pressure Rohend to do I-don't-know-what is simply psychopath.

And my offer to come and talk to me is OVER. I won't have even more conversations about what a third person has to do if I do not want to die murdered.

alfr
10-06-2017, 05:12 PM
maximum solidarity with you dear friend Julian

for anyone looking a little in internet you understand very well that these 3 "gentlemen A, AL, MC, " and they & , are all the real delinquents for what they say and do and against the friend Julian etc
and these 3 "gentlemen " 4 J it is in SP are only just the crazy psychopaths

maximum solidarity with you julian

alfr and all our group prometeo

ArcherSage
10-09-2017, 03:44 AM
SO....who is rohend again ?

Awani
10-09-2017, 11:21 AM
SO....who is rohend again ?

This is him: Rhoend (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/member.php?8755-Rhoend)

:p