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elixirmixer
10-19-2017, 11:53 PM
(NOTE FOR MODS: I MISSPELLED THE TITLE; PLEASE CHANGE TO "CONSTITUENTS" PLEASE AND THANKYOU

Hermetic principals suggest that a true alchemical quintessense is created when all four elements have been purified and recombined.

Here i seek to analyse the core molecules that we use in our work, the reason should become clear as we continue.

Firstly - EARTH
Most plant ashes consist of mainly sodium and potassium carbonates. There are always other trace minerals aswell, for instance, seaweed ashes contain noteable amounts of iodine. However, once our salts have been leached, we should have a reasonably pure mix of sodium and potassium carbonates. Grape vine ashes are particularly high in potassium salts (ive read).

Carbonates react quite easily with most acids. From the carbonate it is quite easy to create acetates, citrates and other compounds. This ability of the carbonate functional group, to be able to easily share its sodium and potassium ions, is very important in our work as we shall see a little later.

I would like to note: plant ashes are obtained quite easily, giving us a cheap source of our first ingredient, pretty much where ever you look.

I always had trouble in the past getting white salts during calcination, however, i treated black ashes with distilled water and extracted salts all the same, sometimes with marveolus success (and sometimes not)

Second - WATER
The water we use in our work would ideally be gentle distilled from the plant itself, however, at the very least, we should try to use water from the dew in the air, the nitreous salts will help improve the solvent ability of the water, and it will also imbibe the earths spirit into your meds. It is important to note, that water is a polar molecule. It has, due to the shape of its atomic structure and the electronegative potential difference between oxygen and hydrogen, a naturally occuring "charge".
Water will then only extract (typically) the other, charged particles in your macerated herbs. Compare this with another solvent like ether, which is non-polar, and will extract non-polar molecules. Therefore it is easy to recognise that there exists a great difference between sulfurs obtained using water and sulfurs obtained using ether or ethanol. (Andro knows heaps about this stuff but just drops gems of gold occasionally that you have to hunt for.)

It is also worth noting that our carbonates are dissolvable in water and are not dissolvable in ethanol (ive never checked ether, i should)

Thirdly - AIR!!
When plants are heated to a gentle 40 degrees, they begin to release high levels of what we call 'aromatics'. Aromatics are very stable molecules that consist of a benzene ring or similar atomic structure, and some type of functional group (a functional group is a collection of atoms within a molecular structure that allows it to interact with other molecules). As their name suggests, aromatics have a strong smell. They are also very volatile, and are resistant somewhat to thermal breakdown due to having strong cardon rings.

Finally - Fire

This is the most complex part of our equation, because it is the most individualized aspect of the plant realm. For the sake of this discussion, it is enough to say that the fire element is the 'tincture'; it is the colour and personal characteristics of the inward aspects of the plant (i mean its cells, not its "apple core", for instance, the majority of fire element in grapes is found in their skins. These types of molecules are often described as 'pigments'

ADDED:(because i forgot to write it) Pigments and other fire element related molecules (each element has a variety) work similar to steriods and some carbohydrates, in that they absord and stay in the cell walls, and work to signal and transmit information to surrounding activities, assisting, and catalysing positive bio-chemical reactions that could otherwise not occur. An example, the reshi mushroom's, gangonic (?) Acid, is a powerful steroid that improves longevity, only available in the reshi mushroom. (!!!!!)

This demonstrates the point im convaying; that each plant had its own chemical signature (literally) that shares info with the body and allows it to perform specialist tasks.

When these four special types of molecules are arranged and connected using alchemical methods, we end up with a super molecule, capable of a variety of functions within the body. This molecule can be metaphorically detailed using the analogy of a space ship.

A space ship has many parts, all are vital to completing the mission, however, the role.of each part differs increadibly. First of all we have all those metal and joints. This is the glue holding the entire ship together. When studying water, it is often said that hydrogen bonding in water is the "glue" of nature. And it is no different here, the water in our elixir is what allows all to mix and come together, just like the structure of our spaceship.

Next we have thrusters. Without a powerful, fire resistant, VOLATILE compound, there would be no way whatsoever to travel the great distances reauired to reach our destination. Our aromatic compounds behave just like this, allowing your heavy ship to travel through the small intestine wall, cross the blood brain barrier, and approach the cells.

However, a hunk of metal and a few thrusters wont do much good to land this puppy, thats why we have the collective minds of Huston and the pilot crew, Our Fire. Just like in space, where there are set combinstions of controls in order to land the moon craft onto the surface of the moon, requiring great skill and specialisation, (as we travel more and more planets, we will realise that each planet will require certain ships and certain landing proceedures to enter their atmosphere and surface) so too, does our mega molecule have the specialization of the fire pigments, which communicates with the surface dwelling protiens and signalling carbohydrates, deciding, and allowing, which cells to land on.

And finally, what mission to the moon would be complete without leaving a big American flag behind to mark your efforts. When finally, fire, air, and water have found their destination, then they plant that simple potassium or sodium molecule, which has been hypercharged and cleansed by the other elements, into.or around the cell, triggering high voltage gradients, which give bio-energy to the cells and blood plasma and which allows for increased communication between cells, repair, detoxificstion, ATP production. When a highly charged grouo of americans get together in a ship, theres no telling how much they could change the course of your bio-chemistry.

Thank you for reading my brief rambles about the molecular consituents of our work. I will be continuing this thread with updates on how these molecules are united and the specifics of their reaction, however right now i have litte space soldiers trying to get into my brain (the kids)

Ciao for now

Dragon's Tail
10-20-2017, 12:32 PM
How do you feel about phosphorus?

elixirmixer
10-20-2017, 12:50 PM
I read this and felt the flowing in my triple burner and then immediatly felt a new buzzing on the top layer of my tounge and bottom of the top of my mouth.....???

;);););););););)

Im joking. And i must say; this was the perfect question my friend. And for a reason that is slightly too early in this thread, however, it will be addressed, and you just earnt big EM Points :eek:

And thou shalt be rewarded :o

elixirmixer
10-20-2017, 01:20 PM
Fuck it.

Im in a loving mood, lets do this now :D

PHOSPHORUS!!!

hmmm... let me meditate a moment.....


........



Well that was unexpected...................


While i took a moment to step outside and consider how to express my absolute respect and consideration for phosphorus (which at a later stage will be explained as being extremely significant)

HOW.. EVER...

Instead i saw a vision of Australian Congress. I shed tears as I met my brothers, i felt the life long connection that is imminent with ghetto alchemist, i felt the incredible advancment that our community is about to experience; and i was told to share this message: That i must request that for congress, acceptances must be permitted for my wife and two children, as it is essential for my attendance, and as an equally valuable member of our community, i am equally essential as the rest of you for this dynamic development.

Feel no anxiety if you have no bad intentions to my family, i hold a quite reasonable command over my family unit and apart from making excuses, i would expect you'll find it a privilege to meet my wife and children, and treat it with the uttermost hermetic respect.

I will work closely with ghetto to filter out any sneaking Capstone assassins, if your in Australia; do what ever it takes to make it, because if you do; and (only) if you are pure of heart, God has given me permission to accelerate us; just as i have no doubt that my brothers (and sisters?!) Will have Gemstones of Gold Sulphur to share with me.

HM.

Phosphorous.

If you didn't have 60 billion phosphorus reactions happening in your body every second.... well.....:(

I have been trying to sort my life out to an indisputable proffesional level so that i may obtain red phosphorus to do research, however, it a notch above me so to speak (although im very close) because Australia considers it as a precursor (to both drugs and bombs).

Ive been vigilent to upholding the law in my country because slackness could result in them taking my stuff. However, you'd be surprised how reasonable and respectful the police force has been to me over going on 7 years or something.

Phosphorus. Its da bomb! :rolleyes:

And very much worth our investigations

ArcherSage
10-20-2017, 01:21 PM
You already know how I feel about phosphorus

elixirmixer
10-20-2017, 01:30 PM
Flying to Australia mate?:o;)

Andro
10-20-2017, 02:48 PM
Please stay on topic. This is not a private chatroom. That's what PM is for.

Dragon's Tail
10-23-2017, 12:47 AM
Sorry, I didn't see the other thread until after I wrote that. I was actually being quite serious. When I think of "essential elements" during the course of my speculations, the same groups of atoms show up. Alkalis, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon, phosphorus, and a few others. I haven't been doing much in the lab lately, after the last horrible failure with my red fluid. Burnt smell when trying to separate it with distillation as I do my tinctures has me vexed.

I believe the salt of the plant comes in two parts. There's the alkalis, but there is something else with it when the whole plant is incinerated carefully, a very odd salt that tries to fly off with the steam. Could be crap, or it might be important, but I definitely can't pin it down, and I would need a lot of material to make any kind of usable amount, and a suitable trap. Perhaps the water we are after isn't the water coming slowly from fresh plant material, but that which we can capture when drying our salts. There's something in that leeching water. That's only my theory though. We bubble it off without thought, just as we cast away the silica and calcium carbonate that remains after leeching. It makes me think of Hollandus, and his writings when he's making fun of other alchemists for thinking they have the elements, but really they are throwing away the good stuff. I'm too lazy right now to look for the passage.

As for phosphorus, that's just a really neat chemical with interesting properties. It's classed here in the US as well.

elixirmixer
10-24-2017, 10:42 PM
i think there is a possibility you could be right about evaporating off the salt water.

Ive experienced some strange things such as all my salts dissappesring when i tried boiling off the water, and other, unexplained phenomenon. Certainly worth looking into.

Dragon's Tail
10-27-2017, 12:12 AM
I just started an experiment. Results will be inconclusive but I saturated room temp distilled water, filtered it twice, rinsed all glass components again with distilled water (to avoid tap contaminants), and I just fired up the distillation thing. I have some better "salts" laying around from my cedar experiments and I witnessed the phenomenon with those, but I'm going to start probing this paradox one piece at a time. Also just found this article about distilled water leaching alkali metals from flint glass. I wonder if this is still a problem:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jps.3080200809/abstract

I want to say that my lab glass is brosilicate, but I honestly can't remember. Should be the same as Chemglass brand. I have to watch it close to make sure my good 1000mL boiler doesn't pop, so it might take a couple days for the first step. Then I'll try will my good salts. I also have a bunch of big grape vine pieces at the property. I might do a special burn with them next year and see how much salts I can pull from those ashes. They're wild and all over the zone that I'm clearing. Apparently they like strangling cedar trees, so naturally I like them in kind, :P

something is vaporizing:
https://i.imgur.com/QFinnWR.jpg

Kiorionis
10-27-2017, 12:50 AM
Most commercial scientific glassware is made from borosilicate these days, as far as I've found.

elixirmixer
10-27-2017, 01:12 AM
Boro has a green tint when you look through it on a thick angle. Soda glass has a blue tinge when looking through thick pieces and is to be avoided.

all lab glassware is borosilicate; however, china still.does some very cheap crap on ebay that usually last me only about 2 or 3 distillations before they crack.

elixirmixer
10-27-2017, 01:18 AM
I just started an experiment. Results will be inconclusive but I saturated room temp distilled water, filtered it twice, rinsed all glass components again with distilled water (to avoid tap contaminants), and I just fired up the distillation thing. I have some better "salts" laying around from my cedar experiments and I witnessed the phenomenon with those, but I'm going to start probing this paradox one piece at a time. Also just found this article about distilled water leaching alkali metals from flint glass. I wonder if this is still a problem:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jps.3080200809/abstract

I want to say that my lab glass is brosilicate, but I honestly can't remember. Should be the same as Chemglass brand. I have to watch it close to make sure my good 1000mL boiler doesn't pop, so it might take a couple days for the first step. Then I'll try will my good salts. I also have a bunch of big grape vine pieces at the property. I might do a special burn with them next year and see how much salts I can pull from those ashes. They're wild and all over the zone that I'm clearing. Apparently they like strangling cedar trees, so naturally I like them in kind, :P

something is vaporizing:
https://i.imgur.com/QFinnWR.jpg

So let me clarify; you have leached plant salts and your just boiling off the water, and seein if any of the ashes volatize during a standard boiling. Is that correct? If you discover volatized salts ill be very excited. Ive often thought that the heat was volatizing my salts, however ive never bothered to check. Would be very glad to know.

Dragon's Tail
10-27-2017, 02:12 AM
I will be using leeched salts on the next run. The current setup is a control with pink salt (mined) to compare other results to. Some made it into the head, but that may be just bubbles and such. I think my first test will be to simply taste the distilled water. That should be a pretty good pop-indicator if they are sharp. Then dry it out, and start again with plant salts. Actually the plant salts should be very refined Pot-Carb as I was careful to get rid of as much chlorides as possible, by fractionally pouring off and re-heating. Unless something else in there is more soluble than Pot-Carb, which would be interesting indeed.

I know something has volitized out of my plant salts in the past, seemingly when heated too much on recrystallization. It almost felt like a gum though, more than a salt, or a waxy substance. I collected that stuff by holding a spoon in the vapors and it would condense on it. Hopefully this experiment is a little more scientific, lol.

elixirmixer
10-28-2017, 12:32 AM
Does Spagyrics really need to all be made of the same plant?

What I'm trying to say is, do i need to order all the parts for my spaceship from the same supplier?

Ill show you what I mean...

If Volatized Salts of Tartar, give the ability of penetration, and Aromatics give 'rise' to this volatility; if sulfur is the signature of vegetable intelligence, and water the perfect human medium for absorbtion; Can I successfully procure all of these elements separately; and from different plant sources; and still reaper the best results?? Perhaps better?

It is written that Tartar from wine is superior to other plant salts. It is also written that plants that are 'evergreen' Contain a more fixed SM, or a stronger spirit; hense why they are green all year round. Obviously no two oils were created equal either; again, our source of water must also be just as important in our spagyrics as it is in our everyday lives.

I have the dregs of a recently emptyed wine barrel. It appears to have a lot of something in there, stuff sticking to the sides, which I assume is largly tartrates and also many other organic; irrelevant compounds.

I am going to attempt to extract the Salts from this thick wine which is filled with a lot of "wine floaties" and then I am going to attempt to volatize this by preparing the salts into a magnet; and gently distilling the aromatics from fresh plants straight onto the prepared salts.

If I know anything.about hermetic theory at all, this should, with a little circulating perhaps, volatise my wine salts. Then, I am.going to attempt an Andro style Sulfur extract using only ether.

Then I will try and recombine with some distilled rainwater.

Does this sound plausible? I will perhaps draw my initial moistures from pine resin, as this is what is most likely to volatize my.salts, as turpentine is excellent at this apparently.

In all honesty I've never attempted to volatize salts before (well not properly; ive mucked around with some silly ideas in the past) However, what true ElixirMixer could call himself such without getting some of these beautiful little bastards onto my tool belt!?!?

Wish me luck again; cause last time you did everything went really smoothly; which never happens!!

Dragon's Tail
10-28-2017, 04:27 AM
Elixermixer, I'm of the same thought process. I wish to procure medicines of the plant kingdom, not of a specified organism as starting material. That was fun for a while, but it's a deep rabbit hole when you consider each plant a unique entity, even in the same species.

After all, that's how we treat animals for blood stones right? Individuals?

Tartar is some amazing stuff in its own right, and the more that can be prepared carefully should be mixable, but take caution. If you are making batches. I have a small batch that has a fishy aroma. Literally, like seafood when heated, and not in a good way. How I got these rancid salts, I'm unsure, but I know that I didn't give as much care in their creation. I suspect that they've picked up ions from a stainless steel pot, and something else may have gotten in there as well.

My thought on the matter is to find the "water" and "air" of the vegetable kingdom as well. And since I suspect a secret salt hiding in them, it makes sense to me that there would be a common water and air, and a secret one, more subtle. I believe I have some of this secret water from a mullein plant, but unsure exactly how it was produced. Would love to talk about ideas of these more "general" substances that are common to all plants, vs specific salts and oils.

elixirmixer
10-28-2017, 06:16 AM
Yes a good discussion indeed. This is why instead of a specific compound; say.. iprene, I talk about compound TYPES such as Aromatics.

All plants have aromatics, all plants have pigments (chlorophyll at the least) they all have water, which I think is perfect the way it is when its gentle distilled from the plant. and all plants have Salts obviously.

I believe in a hermetic theory, that can change all these into a red stone REGARDLESS of which plant is used; regardless of what compound they may contain.

And I view this theory like this:

Fire = pigments (similar to your blood cells, chlorophyll and also Oil of Gold is also very similar to your blood)
Air= Aromatics (iprene, benzene ect)
Water = Water
Earth = Salts.

Fire circulated with Water.
Earth circulated with Air.

those results circulated with one another

Space ship.

elixirmixer
10-28-2017, 09:02 AM
I am currently testing this theory by the way using fresh corriander.

My water/fire extract is filtering now (EXTREMELY slowly, I have a headache from trying to suck it through because I don't have a vaccume pump and the tiny mooshy partical sizes are blocking the filter paper)

I also have the vast majority of the bio-mass sitting in the furnace being calcined as we speak.

After we do our salt experiment, there is only one thing left to do; see whether or not I am correct in thinking that very dry salts will collect the humidity from a gentle distillation and that they will combine into a volatile Salt. If that occurs; I'll be absolutly stoked as I've waited over a decade to taste these salts. Then, I will dissolve my Fire extract with the salts at a proportion that will allow for crystallization. And if all of that happens; (please infinite fractal Jesus) then I would have created my first true Alchemical Vegetable Stone; and Awani will have the super secret recipe in the groups next book :D

Dragon's Tail
10-28-2017, 02:39 PM
When you collect humidity, are you talking about a two flask experiment with no heat? Fresh herb on one side and purified salt on the other? What kind of temperature ranges are you looking at? Will you incubate the biomass flask?

Would be neat to do this with a sideways setup and a short pin-to-pin connector between equal sized flasks. That's what I'm envisioning. Or maybe connecting them with a 70 degree elbow.

elixirmixer
10-28-2017, 07:38 PM
Pretty much. I use 72degrees to slowly evaporate off the fresh herb in one flask, it in fact goes through a massive alembic hood, followed by a horizontal refluxing condenser, then a recieveing flask, AND THEN I have a gas cold trap connected with my salts in there. I dont want to catch all the moisture in the salts. I only want to catch yhe air fraction; which in my opinion, is anything that can make it past the alembic, condenser and recieveing flask, obviously has exceptional volatility and therefore i consider it 'air'.

So yes and no.

elixirmixer
10-28-2017, 08:13 PM
While this does appear as 'moisture' in reality it is quite different in chemical composition than the typical waters caught in the recieveing flask. Within the cold trap, the Aromatics are collected (air) This can actually be seen upon their condensation, as they do not collect in the typical way but rather form many many micro-globules that all separate from one another. This shows that they possess some type of dissolved; and yet hydrophobic; constituents, that differ from the regular waters in the recieving flask.

Please bear in mind that most of this is just what "I" consider to be a decent hermetic THEORY. While we are doing the practise as we speak, it could all fail to become anything of value, and my theory could be completely wrong.

However, Andro hasn't said anything about it, which in the past has proven to be a good sign that I'm on to something ;)

Dragon's Tail
10-29-2017, 03:36 AM
As far as the aromatics, I think you are one to something. The smell of the herb is then in fact what is bonding with the drying salts. Interesting. I've been wondering here and there about the common spagyric "stone" making process, and if somehow the idea is to get the oils to fuse with the salts in the same way that water normally would when it makes things like K*(H2O)3 and similar, to instead bond K*(oil)3, which would actually make the salts slightly hydrophobic, and the "stone" thereby becomes some type of superfluid. I played around with nano-fluid before and the construction process is similar. A particle of iron for instance is weakly bonded to a fatty acid, and transformed into a supermolecule that will suspend itself in kerosene to give you a type of liquid that responds to magnetic fields. It seems like your method is another attempt to do something similar through a different process. How will you keep the salts open in a cold trap (i.e. not water bonded)?

Either way, it sounds like an interesting experiment to me, and definitely worth the lab time.

elixirmixer
10-29-2017, 06:18 AM
I think we are on the same page.

Not all oils are hydrophobic it would appear; otherwise, what is this dark, golden, red-brown that I extracted from the dried corriander with the water OF corriander? I am assuming it to be pigments and oils, and yet they are water soluable.

Also, Im not suggesting that NO water makes it into the cold trap, but the water that does is of the 'air' fraction (think Archeaus) and that this dissolves the salts, allowing the fusion with the aromatics. I havent got to check yet, but I doubt it is as easy as I make it sound. Im thinking that it might specifically require reflux in order to conjoin. Reason is.... (holy shit epic revos)... The dance of oppo-sames creates the environment needed for hermetic unification. This is what separates this type of work from regular spagyrics; the addition of hermetic principals in order to bring balanced unity to the elements.

In regards to regular Spagyrics, and their 'vegetable stones' I find these a bit silly to be honest, sure, very powerful medicines can be produced; however, my expectation is that this type of alchemically prepared stone far far far exceeds these other spagyric works, especially in terms of spiritual progress and initiation; again, these are just my expectations based on the words of Hollandus.

Im hoping that by this time tomorrow I'll have more answers.

elixirmixer
10-29-2017, 09:42 AM
Soap.

Alkali's (such as potash) combine with oils to create soaps. Soaps are surfactants that allow for oil to dissolve in water. How does this effect our work in Spagyrics? Have you ever heard the term "Our Soap"..? What could that mean?

I am unsure exactly how our soap is created and used. I have my own ideas about how I intend to re-unite my constituents.

I am so fucking excited, ive got salts vaping now, I'm sorry DT but I have too much on the go tonight to do our salt experiment but that will be done another time, after I finish this spaceship.

Ive been fasting to get ready for life change (except for tasting some tiger snake today; delicious!)

Does anyone have any last words of advice before I go and make or break myself into diamond, or a million pieces. Its just so devistating when you completely ruin months of work and waiting time by a careless mistake... Its happened too many times... I'm doing my very best to be extremely patient this time. The filtering is STILL going. However; I learnt a lot from this too. AIR (the stuff you breathe) is fuel for FIRE. What was green when I took it out for filtering has gone a deep dark red colour in the time its taken to filter. The air was enough to finish what could only be classed as digestion/putrifaction? (are they the same??)

Anyway, point is that i thought I must be completely wrong when I observed no colour change; however, since ive taken it out, its gone especially red/golden/brown. Very interesting. Ill add; this is the first time I have used the actual waters of the plant as the main solvent. So far so good.

I am very tempted to use carbon to try and bring more clarity into the red liquid (I want more red and less brown) however, I might do this in a small trial batch first just to see if the carbon takes more than I wish for.

Anyway; sorry for flooding the forums with this but hey; no one else is sharing anything this epic at the moment so :p

Dragon's Tail
10-29-2017, 01:17 PM
superfluids involve surfactants and operated on a lot of the same principles. In a way, they are dirty bath water, to answer that.. hehe.

Happy that you shared the moment. When a color change happens, it's exciting. When there's no chemical reason or cause that you can think of for it, even moreso. My advice is definitely to take your time with the precious fluid, go slow, consider, and be sure before you act. I'm curious about the charcoal filtering, so if you try that, I would love to hear the results.

Mine was a light green that spontaneously went yellow overnight, and after filtering, with a touch of heat, it turned red like blood, but it was also thick and held a great deal of darkness within it that came out as tar, and the red wouldn't distill over (though some kind of yellow oil did appear in the water caught by the receiving flask mixed perfectly and inseparable). and I did get a few tiny red crystals in the oily mess it left behind.

I suspect, because of your process, you will have more success than I did, but go slow, take your time, read your notes again, pray, and then proceed.

elixirmixer
10-30-2017, 04:35 AM
At this stage it seems that carbon is counter productive. It actually reacted with my red waters quite heavily. Lots of fizzing. Also made my waters dirtier, not cleaner. I will filter again and see if anything changes; but at this stage it looks like a no go.

elixirmixer
10-30-2017, 07:17 AM
Okay, so my patience has been rewarded on this salt work. I am watching some of the most beautiful crystallizations I've ever seen right now. I actually (stupidly) filtered out half of my salts, thinking that they were some kind of shit that had dropped out of solution during the evaporation. It looks like... hard to describe and I cant grt a good photo of it but its kind of like little pieces of clear cellophane, that are slowly combining together and dancing and twirling around one another. So so pretty and awesome to watch. I think this has had something to do with my very long, and yet warm evaporation. I can't find my thermometer but I'm guessing its about 85degrees and has been vaping off over night and still has some to go.

Really really cool, slowly vaped corriander salts. Give it a go if you have the chance ;)

elixirmixer
10-30-2017, 12:28 PM
I truely do despise Salt work. My least favourite part of Spagyrics for sure.

Just praying my salts dont burn.. The yeild seems rather low at the moment. I forgot to boil the distilled water I used to extract the salts.

Dragon's Tail
10-30-2017, 02:15 PM
I was using boiling water until i noticed condensate upon drying, now I'm careful with that step too. I'm going to start slowly drying my distillate today. I couldn't get a good rolling boil on the boiling flask, and what I could get seemed to stop coming over. Gonna put it on pause for a minute while I dry what I did collect and see if any salts came over with.

Good to hear from you, I assume that means you didn't blow up in an ether fireball.

Dragon's Tail
11-06-2017, 11:02 PM
EM you should totally try the salt experiment. It's taking for ever to dehydrate the condensate, but something sparkly showed up in the flask today, and it looks nothing like what came out of that dead salt I was testing with. I can only describe it as suspended bits of glassy crystals. They looked like sparkles when I swirled it, that's the only reason I saw them. If it works with mined salt...

elixirmixer
11-07-2017, 04:12 AM
Okay, so I transferred my ether's today and didn't die which is awesome!

(Side note: Oil of Egg is an awesome medicine to make)

Dragon's tail, what salts are you using that created the crystals?
Please explain the process you used exactly and I will do it tonight because I finished my other experiments.

Oh, and I completed my Red Crystal Medicine. It worked, its great and its got me very excited to perfect the process. I didn't want to hand in my essay until I knew it would work, So now that I do, Ill be typing something up.

I'm very interested in epic crystals from salt. Must keep looking into this.

Volatilized salts are CRAZY! Very "penetrating" just as reputed. And certainly gives shifts in consciousness, I think that methamphetamine has similar properties because both of them are volatile salts and both have impact on consciousness.

I have some serious internet issues atm and had to use the public library so my replies might be spread out a bit more than usual.

Dragon's Tail
11-07-2017, 05:05 AM
Dragon's tail, what salts are you using that created the crystals?
Please explain the process you used exactly and I will do it tonight because I finished my other experiments.


Yay! you're alive!

EM, that was the control group. Himylayan Pink salt, dissolved in saturated solution ~400mL
Distilled about 200mL until I got annoyed with the boiling process with so much precipitating. Heat maintenance was a B*#%#
Been drying the recieving flask at around 50-60C. Lowered the heat to BM and transfered to a wide mouth jar after spotting the crystals. Open tops, with a layer of tinfoil over the setup to keep dust out. Steam is actually coming at at 50C after I transfered the distilled water, which is why I lowered the temp. Remaining in the flask may have had an effect due to the slight alembic effect of condensing on the walls, not sure. Drying takes forever though. Going to continue in a wide mouth jar and see if the little crystals grow or not. There's about 100mL left to go. Makes no sense, but I can't wait to get the crystals out and take a closer look and a little taste.

Dragon's Tail
11-07-2017, 05:10 AM
PS, do you think Oil of Egg would work with a slighty safer solvent, like Kerosene or Alcohol? Maybe acetone?

Schmuldvich
11-07-2017, 06:28 AM
Drying takes forever though. Going to continue in a wide mouth jar and see if the little crystals grow or not. There's about 100mL left to go. Makes no sense, but I can't wait to get the crystals out and take a closer look and a little taste.

Neat experiment! I bet the crystals are beautiful!

What result are you wanting, or what are you expecting to happen when take take a closer look and have a taste?

Dragon's Tail
11-07-2017, 06:33 AM
Neat experiment! I bet the crystals are beautiful!

What result are you wanting, or what are you expecting to happen when take take a closer look and have a taste?

Not really sure. I was doing the pink salt as a control and expecting an empty vessel before trying with plant salts. They look like glass. Don't know what to expect.

Schmuldvich
11-07-2017, 09:29 AM
Not really sure. I was doing the pink salt as a control and expecting an empty vessel before trying with plant salts. They look like glass. Don't know what to expect.

Does it look like this?



https://i.imgur.com/eChSZGz.jpg

elixirmixer
11-07-2017, 10:56 PM
They are some very sexy salts Schmuldvich. May I ask how you prepared these?

Isolating the salts was something I wasn't prepared for this time round, but now that I know that I can volatile salts using my method I have finished this experiment off so I can start again with added care, I did not purify my salts enough to be worth spending more time on them so I just dropped it all into solution and put it in the fridge.

The best part about my method is that ALL the salts, whether fixed or volatile DISSOLVE. So yeah, much more effective than their Spagyrical counterparts.

Now that I have found my chosen method, its a case of doing everything perfectly the whole way through (which I usually never do due to the extended waiting periods) however all those experiments were just to prove methods. Now its time to actually make some medicine.

I love those crystals Schmuldvich, please share :D

elixirmixer
11-08-2017, 12:27 AM
Distilling Hymalaian Rock salt is an interesting prospect, however, its hard to use it as a 'control'. Reason being, Himalayan Rock salt has something like 80+ different elements in it.

(actinium, aluminum, antimony, arsenic, astatine, barium, beryllium, bismuth, boron, bromine, cadmium, calcium, carbon, cerium, cesium, chlorine, chromium, cobalt, copper, dysprosium, erbium, europium, fluorine, francium, gadolinium, gallium, germanium, gold, hafnium, holmium, hydrogen, indium, iodine, iridium, iron, lanthanum, lead, lithium, lutetium, magnesium, manganese, mercury, molybdenum, neodymium, neptunium, nickel, niobium, nitrogen, osmium, oxygen, palladium, phosphorus, platinum, plutonium, polonium, potassium, praseodymium, protactinium, radium, rhenium, rhodium, rubidium, ruthenium, samarium, scandium, selenium, silicon, silver, sodium, strontium, sulfur, tantalum, tellurium, terbium, thallium, thorium, thulium, tin, titanium, uranium, vanadium, wolfram, yttrium, ytterbium, zinc and zirconium.)

So, this is a very unusual variety of salts. Another thought is: How the 'F' did they all get there??

Anyway, this is very different from say, NaCL or K(CO)3 for example.

Nevertheless, an interesting experiment indeed, I am considering doing a dry distillation of pink salt, with a flask that's on it's way out anyway, and seeing what the results are.

BTW I do not necessarily condone 'tasting' this. Your distillate may (or may not) have concentrated amounts of some of the stuff listed above. I'm not sure but it is a possibility, and the last thing you want I think is a nice strong hit of plutonium, I would have thought.... Still this is just me giving good advice, I for one will most likely drink it anyway :cool:

Schmuldvich
11-08-2017, 12:55 AM
They are some very sexy salts Schmuldvich. May I ask how you prepared these?

I love those crystals Schmuldvich, please share :D

I don't like to share my Work. When I find something interesting, I will speak with authority. The most I will say regarding these pictures, is that this is our Volatile Salt captured (Spiritus Mundi if you prefer)


https://i.imgur.com/DMXmIwS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EcU5OVg.jpg

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In this photo, you can see how subtle this Salt truly is, as it can be seen escaping through the top of my non-Hermetically sealed flask...

https://i.imgur.com/PjBZSc4.jpg

elixirmixer
11-08-2017, 02:29 AM
Ah yes, well you forget that I do have a rough idea about "your work" ;)

However your secret is safe with me, thanks for the hints, I'm pretty sure I get the jist of what you mean.

This is not pure SM. SM is not fixed at room temperatures without some kind of salt added, and since you have most likely collected your "SM" straight into a condensed crystalline form, this shows that SM has already joined with a fixed counterpart (FYI).

I think its impossible to get pure SM, except by a very special process, which is not available in the path you have chosen Smirnoff.

Still.... A great path your working and your obviously having some positive results. Perhaps I will try this out myself some time in the future, when I progress to the animal kingdom.

Ciao for now

Dragon's Tail
11-08-2017, 02:58 AM
Distilling Hymalaian Rock salt is an interesting prospect, however, its hard to use it as a 'control'. Reason being, Himalayan Rock salt has something like 80+ different elements in it.

So, this is a very unusual variety of salts. Another thought is: How the 'F' did they all get there??

Anyway, this is very different from say, NaCL or K(CO)3 for example.


I considered it a control since the procurement wasn't very alchemical (even though we are mostly talking spagyrics in this thread) The number of crystals in solution has increased as the very slow evaporation proceeds, but they are all still very very tiny. When left for a long time they settle to the bottom but refuse to bond to the glass (and a couple glass beads found there way in as well, probably when I was moving the foil because I spilled some). Also the foil above the jar, has, erm, browned?? From what I understand this is sort of normal, but it's the first time I've seen it. It looks burnt. That didn't happen when it was in a flask with a smaller opening. I might filter what I have so far and see if I can get a picture for you. They're quite lovely, just, tiny. Like tiny little needles floating around.

My guess is that the mixture of salty ions acted on the water somehow to change it without actually coming over, b/c as I said, it tastes and acts like regular water. No salinity observed yet, though I might try another taste test as well.

Dragon's Tail
11-08-2017, 03:16 AM
And for the record, these minerals you are talking about are probably in your plant salts too, just fyi. They're in everything, just a matter of who's calling attention to what at that moment. There are still people that believe only the tobacco plant makes nicotine, and that only THAT plant has heavy metals sucked up from the soil, lol. There's traces of Uranium everywhere.

That said, some plants and animals are better at "fixing" certain things than others.

Crystals are drying. I thought they disappeared but I can see them now. The water is an odd... it's the most subtle salty taste. At first I thought I was only tasting salt from my finger. The odd thing is, I can still taste it. It's a lasting firey salinity, but also a most subtle note. When I started the drying, the water tasted stale. And alas, more tiny crystalline sparkles have appeared already in the remaining fluid :) (I think some of them made it through the filter paper)

elixirmixer
11-08-2017, 06:44 AM
Interesting... And I suppose your right about the trace minerals.

Since you are getting some volatile's, I better investigate this, since I have about 20KGs of Pink salts that need to do something...

And I love lab crystals ;)

Axismundi000
11-08-2017, 10:19 AM
These salts rising up in a glass I have occurring when I am imbibing Spagyric salts with the essential oil of the original plant. In fact every time I have imbibed the alcohol then oil into salts from plant calcination I have had this rising up of crystalline salt stuff which is why I am baffled by all this SM discussion and the who knows and who doesn’t type thing. The ‘fixing’ of it which Elixirmixer mentions so that when the flask is opened to for example do more imbibing of the salts, this is more interesting, then this yet another flask of salts sublimating up the sides. Without some way of fixing it in the salts so it doesn’t fly away methods like having a hypodermic needle in the stopper and inject the oils to imbibe when the salts need more can be used which is a bit fiddly.

One thing that springs to mind with this is the view that the calcination elevates the spirit and then the temple made ready (purified salts), the spirit then returns to indwell.

Dragon's Tail
11-09-2017, 03:37 PM
I don't think it likes being crystals when dry, but I captured it. This was my result, and explains why the dried crystals that I tried to filter out seemed to disappear. It's also closer to what I saw the first time I noticed the material was flying away from my plant salts while recrystallizing at high temps. The ones on the filter paper discolored to a red, and the ones I saw before looked yellow. I think they have the capacity to "eat up" some of whatever is around them, so keep away from possible contaminates when drying.

https://i.imgur.com/vCOiYAD.jpg

Curious to see what you get from your dry distillation EM, but I'm not sure pink salt will decompose by that method. I'm convinced that these are in every salt, because I've seen them from both plants and "dead" salts. There isn't enough material here to do much with, and I'm a little busy this morning, so I'll try some stuff with them later. Theres a swirl pattern on one side, but that could have been from the jar being slightly tilted. Question now is what to do with them. I'm wondering if they can be calcined once completely dry, but again, not a lot of material to work with, so I'm going to ponder this mystery some more before I do anything.

elixirmixer
11-09-2017, 11:57 PM
What would be really interesting is if you combine these salts with say, a natural turpentine (distilled pine resin) to see if they become fully volatized.

Just a thought.

Axis, yes essential oils will volatize plants salts. I skipped that method because I don't think its considered "The True Way" so to speak. AKA the medicinal qualities of the salts of already mentioned using the air fraction of the distillation is harder to realize, yet has the correct 'structure' for our purposes.

I'm not exactly sure the difference, I'm just going off what I've read from other forum members.

Dragon's Tail
11-10-2017, 12:58 AM
Interesting idea, EM. I'll keep it in mind. I'm actually starting to get worried about them. Dry, they didn't appear to have a taste, but when I ate some soup later, I felt a burnt spot on my tongue. I dripped some distilled water in there, and when they instantly dissolved, the solution turned yellow like urine. I put some extra water in, which diluted the color, but I wanted to make sure that I didn't lose anything. Then tested the pH and the paper first read a solid 9, and then spots of blue appeared, making me think this is closer to 10. It has me wondering if this is some captured volatile from the air, perhaps the process managed to capture nitrogen in the process. I'm not sure about all of the safety procedures, but I'm interested in working more with the idea if that is the case. Maybe with NaCl or even just plain water. I will try putting some drops on different metals and observe the results. Nitre from air would be a cool idea, if that's what is happening. Minerals aren't really my thing, so I have a lot of reading ahead of me. Still planning to try with plant salts as well. Next time I'll test the stronger solution and see what kind of pH I get.

Quick update: The puddle that I made for PH testing was in a ceramic plate that had some powder remaining on it from an earlier experiment. Small 1-2mm cubic crystals have formed over the last several hours. I put a silver dime on the plate, and added a drop of the solution, will check tomorrow. I'll start a new thread for this when I have more information, but PMs are welcome, specially if you have an idea of what I may have captured. The crystal forming appears to be catalytic, so I pushed them all to one side of the puddle, just to see.

elixirmixer
11-10-2017, 03:40 AM
I'm not sure if you would be extracting any nitrogen from the air, after all Nitrogen gas is one of the most stable molecules I know of due to its triple-covalent bonding. However im not sure. I think that it requires some electrolysis, or plant enzymes to create nitrates.

Interesting that you did actually get an alkali solution, theoretically these could be used in replacement of plant ashes... Salt of salt??

I've been feeling really drained laterly due to the temperature changes going on at the moment but hopefully I clean my lab up today to start another round of experiments. This Salt work is important IMO