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elixirmixer
10-25-2017, 10:37 AM
Sythesising Suger of Lead is a fairly straightforward process; however in the hands of a fool, things can get tricky. (Lucky we have just the fool to demonstrate such things)

To create Suger of Lead, Take 55g of Glacial Acetic acid and water down to 50%. Then preferably use 50g of Lead(II) oxide, and stur.

Today I used Lead (II,IV) oxide (red lead or minium) and this has had undesirable results. however, i am still to see the crystals form so maybe it will be okay.

I would still recommend the yellow variety. Lead(II).

Filter. Crystalize. Done. Dont touch the lead with your skin and DO NOT injest it, it becomes very bio-available when it mixes with your stomach acids and is very toxic.

Acetic acid is also very painful to smell in high concentration. Believe me.

Peace

Axismundi000
10-25-2017, 12:04 PM
Lead acetate is readily absorbed by the human body Elixirmixer. I have always wondered why other metals are not favoured for acetate more, is it because you get better products when dry distilling if lead acetate is employed?

JDP
10-25-2017, 04:46 PM
Lead acetate is readily absorbed by the human body Elixirmixer. I have always wondered why other metals are not favoured for acetate more, is it because you get better products when dry distilling if lead acetate is employed?

It's rather more because the calxes of the metals known back in older times do not dissolve in acetic acid as easily as those of lead. But once it was realized that things like "tutty" or "calamine" were actually the calx of a hitherto unnoticed metal, zinc also became a common choice, since its oxide also dissolves easily in that acid.

Axismundi000
10-25-2017, 05:58 PM
I appreciate this info. This is important enough for me to repeat. Any acetate is readily absorbed by the human body so lead acetate has more capacity to do harm then for example smelted lead bolts.

elixirmixer
10-25-2017, 07:44 PM
Indeed. Sodium and Potassium acetates are a much safer starting point.

In this particular instance I am making this Suger of Lead to perform dry distillation; as the Spiritus Vini from this experiment isnwhat will open my silver chloride crystals and release their oil, so im trying to make oil of lead, and also oil of silver aswell.

JDP, can you explain the different in reactions between Lead(II) and Lead (II,IV)???

ArcherSage
10-25-2017, 09:44 PM
Indeed. Sodium and Potassium acetates are a much safer starting point.


So I can start with gatorade?

elixirmixer
10-25-2017, 10:14 PM
Yes. Yes you can.

Sodium Acetate was my first metallic oil. It was fun trying to work out the right proportions. It took me a couple of attempts. Chemistry is a tad more specific than you would at first think, even with things.as basic as bicarb soda and vinegar.

Sodium and Potassium really are some of the most important elements in your body, so making medicines from them is (probably?) a good idea. I might have another shot at the sodium today in fact.

Sorry but Skype is not an option ATM.

I wonder... Im picking up some wine leese today to extract the potassium tartrate. I wonder if I can make potassium acetate from them?

How are your metallic oils coming along Axis? Ive come to a crashing hault because I didnt have Sugar of Lead spirit to extract my Silver; so thats where I am now, trying to work up the balls to do a dry distillation of lead acetate (in the top 5 most stupid things ive ever done) but unfortunatly I have no choice....if I want my silver oil, which I most certainly do.

elixirmixer
10-25-2017, 10:20 PM
Lead acetate is readily absorbed by the human body Elixirmixer. I have always wondered why other metals are not favoured for acetate more, is it because you get better products when dry distilling if lead acetate is employed?

Well; while JDP may be right, lets remember that each of the traditional metals were deeply associated with different states of intelligence. Lead was associated with Time and Karma, and people would consume these Medicines in hope that it would initiate them, and heal past Karma (Lead oil specifically)

Also, using the spirit of Lead, is the only way that I know how to produce the oil of Gold and Silver. Do you have a better way?

black
10-26-2017, 12:17 AM
Also, using the spirit of Lead, is the only way that I know how to produce the oil of Gold and Silver. Do you have a better way?

Hi Mr. Mixer

Oil of Gold and Oil Silver ?

Where did you get this process from ?

Axismundi000
10-26-2017, 12:58 AM
Well; while JDP may be right, lets remember that each of the traditional metals were deeply associated with different states of intelligence. Lead was associated with Time and Karma, and people would consume these Medicines in hope that it would initiate them, and heal past Karma (Lead oil specifically)

Also, using the spirit of Lead, is the only way that I know how to produce the oil of Gold and Silver. Do you have a better way?

Bartlett gives a method for silver using ammonium chloride in real Alchemy. I thought the advantage with lead is when dry distilled it gives more amounts then other metals. I understand your frustration but speaking for myself I just keep steadily working.

JDP
10-26-2017, 01:03 AM
JDP, can you explain the different in reactions between Lead(II) and Lead (II,IV)???

For making lead acetate there does not seem to be a difference between the red & yellow oxides. Both will produce it.

JDP
10-26-2017, 01:07 AM
Bartlett gives a method for silver using ammonium chloride in real Alchemy. I thought the advantage with lead is when dry distilled it gives more amounts then other metals. I understand your frustration but speaking for myself I just keep steadily working.

Another thing regarding this topic: unlike the other usual acetates, zinc acetate will give sublimates during its distillation, besides the usual acetone and "oily" byproducts mixture. And copper acetate will actually give mostly strong acetic acid, unlike most of the other metallic acetates.

elixirmixer
10-26-2017, 01:09 AM
@Mr.Black

Admittedly; I did not discover this on my own but rather was just fortunate to build a small relationship with the main alchemist from here:

www.kymiaarts.com

He taught me, in fact, if you look hard enough, there is a recipe somewhere hidden away in the website.

And apparently there is no issues with using Lead (II,IV) oxide, other than it is a bit 'dirty' and requires a significant investment of filtering to get it clean, however, even though im not quite finished it seems so.far that ill be getting some decent yeilds, its crystalizing very readily all over the bowls and beakers ive been using for filtering.

Im in a big 'synthesis' stage at the moment; making as many different type of crystals as I can with what I have. Mainly because I feel there are just too many unneccesary chemicals just sitting around that i want to put it more stable, less dangerous forms, and also just as a learning exerzise to remind me of my basic chemistry skills.

I have a fetish for self prepared crystals :rolleyes:

Im feeling alchemical jealousy giving you the whereabouts of that recipe; which shows how much I must love you guys to still give it to you anyway :D (since none of you really deserve it :p;) )

ArcherSage
10-26-2017, 01:11 AM
Yes. Yes you can.

Sodium Acetate was my first metallic oil. It was fun trying to work out the right proportions. It took me a couple of attempts. Chemistry is a tad more specific than you would at first think, even with things.as basic as bicarb soda and vinegar.

Sodium and Potassium really are some of the most important elements in your body, so making medicines from them is (probably?) a good idea. I might have another shot at the sodium today in fact.

Sorry but Skype is not an option ATM.

I wonder... Im picking up some wine leese today to extract the potassium tartrate. I wonder if I can make potassium acetate from them?

How are your metallic oils coming along Axis? Ive come to a crashing hault because I didnt have Sugar of Lead spirit to extract my Silver; so thats where I am now, trying to work up the balls to do a dry distillation of lead acetate (in the top 5 most stupid things ive ever done) but unfortunatly I have no choice....if I want my silver oil, which I most certainly do.

Of course they are. You should look into electric universe cosmology. Everything is electric, we do no exist without it. Potassium/sodium/calcium etc, are ELECTROlytes, they conduct electricity. The muscles cannot contract without an electric charge, working out uses energy (electric energy). Replenishing after a workout with gatorade and the like, is simply restoring the charge back to the muscles. We are electricity. Everything is electricity. Life ceases to exist without it. We are like rechargeable batteries. Failing to recharge causes disease.

elixirmixer
10-26-2017, 01:19 AM
Of course they are. You should look into electric universe cosmology. Everything is electric, we do no exist without it. Potassium/sodium/calcium etc, are ELECTROlytes, they conduct electricity. The muscles cannot contract without an electric charge, working out uses energy (electric energy). Replenishing after a workout with gatorade and the like, is simply restoring the charge back to the muscles. We are electricity. Everything is electricity. Life ceases to exist without it. We are like rechargeable batteries. Failing to recharge causes disease.

Yes biologically your pretty much right; the body does.use these electrolytes to perform specilized electrical processes that keep us running.

Has anyone found any use for these oils?
Has anyone consumed any?
I had a large does of Oil of Gold diluted in Quintessense of Honey. I shared it with some people. Everyone agreed that they felt some change in consciousness. So I am hoping to take a massive, undiluted taste of Oil of Silver and see if it will awaken my subconscious.

ArcherSage
10-26-2017, 01:25 AM
By the way these electrolytes as well as the electrostatic force is what keeps DNA together. It has been my belief for a long time that whatever the process is to make the stone, it must deal with the electrostatic force and the manipulation of it. The force that binds all things is the key, once you break something down to the point where the force no longer applies, you can alter matter. However, you must recreate the force that bound it together in the first place

Axismundi000
10-26-2017, 08:04 AM
Another thing regarding this topic: unlike the other usual acetates, zinc acetate will give sublimates during its distillation, besides the usual acetone and "oily" byproducts mixture. And copper acetate will actually give mostly strong acetic acid, unlike most of the other metallic acetates.

I think Calcium acetate is one that gives a lot of acetone. So is the arguement here that lead acetate gives a specific usfull mix of products? Whilst chemistry shows this my feeling is that this is a red herring, just a feeling.

JDP
10-26-2017, 09:42 AM
I think Calcium acetate is one that gives a lot of acetone. So is the arguement here that lead acetate gives a specific usfull mix of products? Whilst chemistry shows this my feeling is that this is a red herring, just a feeling.

Yes, calcium acetate was preferably used by chemists since they were more interested in acetone than any other byproducts of acetate decomposition.

Regarding the usefulness of the byproducts of lead acetate: it is obviously a dead-end when it comes to alchemy. Neither the secret solvent nor the Stone can be made from acetates (at least not by themselves.) "Chymists" had been tinkering with metallic acetates since at least the 16th century (Quercetanus and Blaise de la Vigenere are among the first ones to openly, CLEARLY & WITHOUT ANY AMBIGUITY describe the distillation of lead acetate and its byproducts; I am omitting here the earlier more cryptic/enigmatic/vague descriptions, like those found in some of Ripley's works, that VERY AMBIGUOUSLY seem like they might be describing such operations, but which are couched in the language of alchemy with its vast array of often misleading "decknamen"), and none of them were able to make the Stone from them. If the distillation of acetates was alchemy's secret, it would already have been publicly discovered a long time ago. Hundreds of years of accumulated experience on them, at the hands of both "chymists" and chemists, plainly show that the secret of the Stone does not belong here.

elixirmixer
10-26-2017, 09:14 PM
I think your both right. I believe that it was acetone that these guys were looking for, and as ive suggested in my work; one reason could have been the extraction of Sulfurs of Silver and Gold.