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Andro
01-29-2018, 11:37 PM
Since some people seem to be pushing/promoting/claiming knowledge of various 'matters' as 'Our Matter', maybe it's time to be more explicit and open about it, in this ever-ongoing and apparently never-ending discussion.

What I'm suggesting here is that people explicitly reveal what raw matter(s) they are working with, towards the confection of THE Philosopher's Stone.

Various particulars need not apply, and only lab stuff here, please.

No need to disclose your procedures, methods, recipes, means of extraction and/or preparation (unless so inclined).

Just the raw, initial matter(s) that you are in fact working with, before any preparation and/or processing.

Also:

No theories or speculations! There's enough of those... Various mind-musings, about what 'our matter' may or may not be, do NOT count!

Post here ONLY if you're doing actual lab-work AND if the goal of your lab-work is the Philosopher's Stone.

Please, no quotes, no textual references, etc... Just the name(s) of the raw, unprocessed, unprepared matter(s) that you are actually working with.

You can of course post multiple matters/combinations IF you are running parallel experiments in your lab with ALL those matters.

Let's keep this simple and to the point!

Participation in this thread is not mandatory :)

So... What's The Matter with you?

Andro
01-31-2018, 07:59 PM
I had a feeling this thread wouldn't be popular :)

Anyway, here are some examples of what you could post:

- "I'm working with Antimony"

- "I'm working with the Martial Regulus"

- "I'm working with Marcasite"

- "I'm working with Dew & Sea Salt"

- "I'm working with salts"

- "I'm working with rainwater / other meteorites"

- "I'm working with bodily fluids / urine / blood / saliva / semen / sweat / /tears / etc..."

- "I'm working with plant material"

- "I'm working with animal material"

- "I'm working with Cinnabar"

- "I'm working with metallic Hg and Au"

etc...

Also, for this particular thread: Please, no debates/arguments/etc... Just simply name the matter(s) you are currently working with. If so inclined.

Andro
01-31-2018, 08:11 PM
I'll go first:

I'm working with two matters, which I suspect are different aspects of the same Materia.

One is a liquid, precipitated out of (very) thin air, by personal methods of my own devising.

The other is a solid, salt-like but not crystalline, precipitated out of distilled water.

So one might say that I'm basically working with thin air and distilled water.

Seth-Ra
01-31-2018, 08:46 PM
Lol yeah I don't see this one being very popular either, my friend. :D

Does it just have to be matters currently being used, or can it be a list of matters that have been actually used/pursued throughout the years? I know many keep current goings-ons "close to the vest", but get a bit more lax about past materials once they've explored them satisfactorily, for success or failure.



~Seth-Ra

Andro
01-31-2018, 09:40 PM
Does it just have to be matters currently being used, or can it be a list of matters that have been actually used/pursued throughout the years? I know many keep current goings-ons "close to the vest", but get a bit more lax about past materials once they've explored them satisfactorily, for success or failure.

We can just name the matter(s) we are (or were) practically working with, and keep everything else "close to the vest". No need for big revelations :)

elixirmixer
01-31-2018, 09:57 PM
I am trying to get some pure SM in order that I may dissolve me Calcite. A water that wets not the hands :)

To be more specific, stalagmites and stalactites. These are water that has basically been filtered trough the earth and drips down into caves before becoming fixed. I see this as 'a virgin earth' and believe it to be the sperm of metals.

Its not always calcite, different caves will yield different "waters"

I have crystals from a dolomite cave, a limestone cave, and yesterday a sandstone cave. I believe that these need to be dissolved in SM and then I'm on my way to victory.

Weidenfeld
01-31-2018, 10:04 PM
I (had) work(ed) with
- urine
- honey
- chimney soot
- essential oil
- ethiops mineral
- stibnite
- cerrusite
each single and/or combinations thereof

Dragon's Tail
01-31-2018, 10:15 PM
Bash my response if you like, most of my work is still in the plant kingdom, but the end game is of course the PS or a particular. I'm not sure if my slow exploration with the Vegetable Kingdom to bring about that end counts.

The current matter under investigation on that front is chalk (CaCO3 from various sources, plants, shells, calcite, etc), and investigating all I can do with it, and what it can be "dissolved into" when properly prepared with water and heat, and what kind of products I get with subsequent "cooking."

True Initiate
01-31-2018, 10:30 PM
Does the different states of matter count in this thread? Like allotropic and plasma states? This are the matters of interest to me.

Kiorionis
01-31-2018, 10:43 PM
water gets my vote as well, but mine is from a geothermic spring. Mostly because I love hot springs and it gives me an excuse to go for a soak haha. So yes, my selection of matter is based on recreation :)

Right now I'm in what I call the 'playing' phase (which has been on and off over the last few years) to test it's abilities. It has some very interesting ones, even before the alchemical works.

http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u502/chorvidus/BoilingRiver_zpsyhnutwtq.jpg

elixirmixer
02-01-2018, 03:48 AM
So it seems DT and I are on the same page again. This matter, calcite is a particular, designated to the mineral realm. I have other starting matters that I intend to try as well which include blood, and also, the powder of the sun.

Fire becomes Air
Air becomes Water
Water becomes Earth. Calcite and salt peter match this progression perfectly. Also, in the "Dry water Virgin Terra" thread, whatever quote is sitting there, calcite matches most perfectly.

Anyway, I suppose we are all speculating until the deed is done.

I don't think that calcite is specifically required, I think that any dry cave waters will probably get the job done, that's why I've collected cave crystals from various landscapes. Today I got about another 6kg of calcite from a very dangerous cave, my friend and I almost died from a lack of oxygen. It was very hard to carry out all the rocks. I'm absolutely exhausted right now. Anyway, can anyone send me some SM? Lol.

Kiorionis
02-01-2018, 04:24 AM
I’ve started a new thread based on your post, EM.

Generation of the Elements (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?5520-Generation-of-the-Elements&p=54812#post54812)

(In order to keep this thread on topic)

elixirmixer
02-01-2018, 05:01 AM
I have chosen my starting matter, based on elements that when putryied will yield a pure crystaline 'virgin', and it is this this living matter that has come from death which is the true prima materia in my opinion. So I'm visualising these cave crystals as that which has resprung with new life from that which was death and decay. Sun powder is an exception I suppose.

Andro
02-01-2018, 06:11 AM
Bash my response if you like, most of my work is still in the plant kingdom.

This is a non-bashing matter-thread :)

Whatever you work with is fine, as long as you're actually working with it in the lab and your goal is the Ph. Stone.

Andro
02-01-2018, 06:12 AM
Anyway, I suppose we are all speculating until the deed is done.

This is not a speculation thread. Just share what matter(s) you're actually working with. As simple as that :)

Andro
02-01-2018, 06:14 AM
Does the different states of matter count in this thread? Like allotropic and plasma states? This are the matters of interest to me.

States of matter, YES - good one!

If you're working with various states of such and such matters, please share here :)

alfr
02-01-2018, 06:25 AM
hi every body

I have worked and experimented with many substances described by the texts and RC manuscripts to which I mainly refer to traditionally

es thesauro thesaurorum thoelitis and secret extasi of federico gualdi from which they derive and on the methods of solar alchemy SM indicated in the divine arcana

the various substances I've worked with are
via del cristoforo parisian urine on which I worked for 5 years with excellent results but not totals
then quarantene cagliosto manuscript of the alchemy of the human seed
dear etc cinnabar manuscript emerit cotton alvare antimony and o lead
carbome sea salt rain water dew olivine segaud parafina the way of rode guasco pyrite copper iron salts and salts through distilled water

Currently I work on salt magnets nitrous potassium carbonate tartar koh and sodium hydroxide lime and on the wine, oleosum and acidum various of the weidenfeld prodromus dikinson plot kunkel etc

but among all the many experiments
an interesting turning point came when I found a private and confidential letter inside a RC class book of the famous alchemist j pier fabre to the famous alchemist marchese massimigliamo palombara in which he explicitly pointed out the key to matter with which he worked, that is, salt of sedimentary earth, the MARNA quoted by plinius, as is well indicated in the letter that must be combined with the 'WATER RAINWATER or WATER OF SOURCE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marl

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marna_(roccia)

this letter of fabre is in my opinion a true traditional revelation
a gift I would say left to us all a real precious gift that comes straight from tradition
a gift in which the famous fabre gives the key to his famous federated manuscript and to the works of fabre revealing the nature of his vitriol and the material from which the MARNA is obtained and from which working it with WATER we obtain the his secret butter / solar magnet SM etc well described in his manuscript and in his various works

link manuscript frederici
https://www.scribd.com/document/79665800/Fabre-Manuscript-Um-Ad-Fridericum-Italian-A

letter of fabre that is extremely explicit and explicit that as soon as I translate it from Italian and Latin the place for the joy of all researchers

since then my research is essentially addressed and directed to the MARNA to which the research and experiments have to capture with various systems both with magnet and without MS

my best regard alfr
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salve a tutti

io ho lavorato e sperimentato con molte sostanza descritte dai testi e manoscritti RC a cui prevalentemente tradizionalmente mi rifaccio
es thesauro thesaurorum thoelitis e extasi segrete di federico gualdi dai quali essi derivano e sui metodi di alchimia solare SM indicati nella arcana divina

le varie sostanze con cui ho lavorato sono
via del cristoforo parigino urina su cui ho lavorato per 5 anni con ottimi risultati ma non totali
poi quarantene cagliosto manoscritto dll'alchimia del seme umano
caro etc cinabro manoscritto emerit cotton alvare antmonio e o piombo
carbome sale di mare acqua piovana rugiada olivina segaud parafina la via di rode guasco pirite sali di ferro di rame e sali tramite acqua distillata

attualmente lavoro su magneti salini nitro carbonato di potassio tartaro koh e idrossido di sodio calce viva e sui vini, oleosum e acidum vari del weidenfeld prodromus dikinson plot kunkel etc

ma fra tutte le molteplici sperimentazioni
una interessante svolta lo avuta quando ho trovata per "caso " in un libretto manoscritto di laboratorio RC una lettera privata e riservata interna al loro circolo RC del famoso alchimista j pier fabre al famoso alchimista marchese massimigliamo palombara in cui fabre gli indicava esplicitamente la chiave della materia con cui lui lavorava ossia ossia sale di terra sedimentale la MARNA citata da plinio come si ben si indica nella lettera che si deve abbinare abbinata a l' ACQUA PIOVANE O ACQUA DI FONTE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marl

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marna_(roccia)

questa lettera di fabre è secondo me una vera rivelazione un dono direi lasciatoci da fabre a noi tutti un vero dono prezioso che ci arriva direttamente dalla tradizione
dono in cui il famoso fabre da di fatto la chiave al suo famoso manoscritto federici e alle opere di fabre svelando la natura del suo vetriolo e la materia da cui si ottiene la MARNA e da cui lavorandola con l'ACQUA si ha l'ottenimento del suo segreto burro magnete solare per lo SM etc ben descritto nel suo manoscritto federici e nelle su varie opere

link manoscritto frderici
https://www.scribd.com/document/79665800/Fabre-Manuscript-Um-Ad-Fridericum-Italian-A

lettera di fabre che è estremamente esplicativa ed esplicita che appena la traduco dal italiano e latino la posto per la gioia di tutti i ricercatori

da allora le mie ricerche sono essenzialmente indirizzate a cio la MARNA a cui abbino le ricerche e sperimentazioni alla cattura con vari sistemi sia con magnete che senza dello SM

my best regard

Andro
02-01-2018, 06:28 AM
I (had) work(ed) with
- urine
- honey
- chimney soot
- essential oil
- ethiops mineral
- stibnite
- cerrusite
each single and/or combinations thereof

Thanks for sharing!

If I also add what matters I have worked with in the past, my list is a bit longer:

Urine, saliva, sweat, rainwater, snow, dew, sea salt, various plant matters and their salts, wine, honey, marcasite, magnetite, limestone, sand, antimony...

Weidenfeld
02-01-2018, 06:46 AM
Thanks for sharing!

If I also add what matters I have worked with in the past, my list is a bit longer:

Urine, saliva, sweat, rainwater, snow, dew, sea salt, various plant matters and their salts, wine, honey, marcasite, magnetite, limestone, sand, antimony...

Well, if I read your list, it comes into my mind that I experimented also with Himmalaya Salt (long time circulation and subsequent dry distillation according to Waltharius & Valentin Weigel), made an experiment with Fe2O3 / KOH according to Franz Tausend, the Cerrusite (Lulli's wine) experiment was based on a description from Vigenere (on Fire & Salt), I have forgotten to mention these matters viz. bee wax, grape juice, red bolus ... more to come ;-)

elixirmixer
02-01-2018, 07:12 AM
Just share what matter(s) you're actually working with.

Risking life and limb, and having too blokes almost pass out from exhaustion, I would consider work. The chemical trials of simple acids, followed by a more philosophical, pre-sm experiment is the forthcoming work to proceed. Also, the path to SM is ongoing.

Weidenfeld
02-01-2018, 07:39 AM
but among all the many experiments
an interesting turning point came when I found a private and confidential letter inside a RC class book of the famous alchemist j pier fabre to the famous alchemist marchese massimigliamo palombara in which he explicitly pointed out the key to matter with which he worked, that is, salt of sedimentary earth, the MARNA quoted by plinius, as is well indicated in the letter that must be combined with the 'WATER RAINWATER or WATER OF SOURCE


Hi alfr,
really a nice list of methods and matters ... but what do you mean by the word "MARNA" `? I've never heard this expression.

Ok, I got it. In German it is called "Mergel", an important and interesting matter though !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marl

Ghislain
02-01-2018, 08:15 AM
I have worked with many of the materials mentioned above, but my interest is focused at present on Tetramethylenediamine, Pentamethylenediamine, Butanedinitrile and 3-methylindole; taking inspiration from Shiva.

Ghislain

alfr
02-01-2018, 08:40 AM
Hi Weidenfeld

MARNA

yes it is correct
it is this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marl


https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marna_(roccia)

(sorry i forgot put this link on marna in my post but is in italian now i change post and i put also your link in it sorry)

MARNA
here quote by letter secret of j pierre fabre to massimigliano palombara

original latin

Vinum enim nostrum et Lullianum est sublimatus salis aquae et terrae43.

Aqua est comunis pluvialis, aut fontis. Terra vero est pinguis et glutinosa quae nunquam peperit, et est terra virgo. Vide Plin. lb. 17. cap. 6.7 345 Nat. Hist. Marga dicitur, qua

Galli nostri versus Burdigalam terram sterilem stercorant et fertilem admodum reddunt.

Ex illaterra, et cum aqua comuni elicies magnam quantitatem vitriolis dulcis, ex quo veram educas aquam mercurialem46 metalla omnia in primam materiam reducentem, et haec est aqua mercurialis universalis, ad opus nostrum.

english

Our wine and Lulliano and it's the spirit of salt water and earth.
The water is the common rainwater, or spring. The earth is indeed fat and glutinous, than ever
he gave birth, and is a virgin land. See Pliny, book 17, chapter 6.7 345 of the De Naturali Historia. It is called
"Marga," and with this our French from the parts of Bordeaux fertilize the barren land and make it very fertile.
From that land, and with common water, you will draw a large amount of vitriol
sweet from which you will extract a mercurial water that reduces all the metals in the first matter, and this is the universal mercury water for our opus
italian

Il vino nostro e Lulliano ed è lo spirito del sale dell’acqua e della terra.
L’acqua è quella pluviale comune, o di fonte. La terra è invero pingue e glutinosa, che mai
partorì, ed è terra vergine. Vedi Plinio, libro 17, capitolo 6.7 345 del De Naturali Historia. È chiamata
«Marga», e con questa i nostri francesi dalle parti di Bordeaux concimano la terra sterile e la rendono assai fertile.
Da quella terra, e con acqua comune, caverai una grande quantità di vetriolo
dolce da cui estrarrai un’acqua mercuriale che riduce tutti i metalli in prima materia, e questa è l’acqua di mercurio universale per la nostra opera

my best regard alfr

True Initiate
02-01-2018, 10:20 AM
States of matter, YES - good one!

If you're working with various states of such and such matters, please share here :)

All alotropic forms of Phosphorus, the light bearer: black, white, red and violet.

It is the only matter that alone can exhibit all colours of the great work all by itself (according to the old One matter, one vessel, one fire) simply by heating it at certain temperatures in certain conditions.

For example Red phosphorus may be formed by heating white phosphorus to 300 °C (572 °F) in the absence of air or by exposing white phosphorus to sunlight (through magnifying glass à la Arcana Divina). Red phosphorus exists as an amorphous network like a gel or red gumm. Upon further heating, the amorphous red phosphorus crystallizes. Upon yet further heating red phosphorus in a sealed tube at 530 °C the upper part of the tube is kept at 444 °C. Brilliant opaque monoclinic, or rhombohedral, crystals sublime creating Violet phosphorus. It does not ignite in air until heated to 300 °C and is insoluble in all solvents including alkali.

Originally it was found in stale urine, a place in which many are seeking it even today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTb640Rbq74

It has ability to contain light, as evidenced by the characteristic glow-in-the-dark phosphorescence. Phosphorus was also an ancient name for the planet Venus (the morning star or Lucifer), when seen before sunrise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hennig_Brand


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIGOF_In9BM

Weidenfeld
02-01-2018, 10:37 AM
All alotropic forms of Phosphorus, the light bearer: black, white, red and violet.

It is the only matter that alone can exhibit all colours of the great work all by itself (according to the old One matter, one vessel, one fire) simply by heating it at certain temperatures in certain conditions.

For example Red phosphorus may be formed by heating white phosphorus to 300 °C (572 °F) in the absence of air or by exposing white phosphorus to sunlight (through magnifying glass à la Arcana Divina). Red phosphorus exists as an amorphous network like a gel or red gumm. Upon further heating, the amorphous red phosphorus crystallizes. Upon yet further heating red phosphorus in a sealed tube at 530 °C the upper part of the tube is kept at 444 °C. Brilliant opaque monoclinic, or rhombohedral, crystals sublime creating Violet phosphorus. It does not ignite in air until heated to 300 °C and is insoluble in all solvents including alkali.

Originally it was found in stale urine, a place in which many are seeking it even today.

It has ability to contain light, as evidenced by the characteristic glow-in-the-dark phosphorescence. Phosphorus was also an ancient name for the planet Venus (the morning star or Lucifer), when seen before sunrise.


The element phosphorus in all its different modifications certainly belong to one of the most investigated elements in chemistry and I think there isn't a bit of its properties that hasn't been discovered up to now. Alchemically irrelevant because it would had been found out in the meantime.

Weidenfeld
02-01-2018, 10:41 AM
Hi Weidenfeld

MARNA

yes it is correct
it is this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marl


https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marna_(roccia)

(sorry i forgot put this link on marna in my post but is in italian now i change post and i put also your link in it sorry)

MARNA
here quote by letter secret of j pierre fabre to massimigliano palombara

original latin

Vinum enim nostrum et Lullianum est sublimatus salis aquae et terrae43.

Aqua est comunis pluvialis, aut fontis. Terra vero est pinguis et glutinosa quae nunquam peperit, et est terra virgo. Vide Plin. lb. 17. cap. 6.7 345 Nat. Hist. Marga dicitur, qua

Galli nostri versus Burdigalam terram sterilem stercorant et fertilem admodum reddunt.

Ex illaterra, et cum aqua comuni elicies magnam quantitatem vitriolis dulcis, ex quo veram educas aquam mercurialem46 metalla omnia in primam materiam reducentem, et haec est aqua mercurialis universalis, ad opus nostrum.

english

Our wine and Lulliano and it's the spirit of salt water and earth.
The water is the common rainwater, or spring. The earth is indeed fat and glutinous, than ever
he gave birth, and is a virgin land. See Pliny, book 17, chapter 6.7 345 of the De Naturali Historia. It is called
"Marga," and with this our French from the parts of Bordeaux fertilize the barren land and make it very fertile.
From that land, and with common water, you will draw a large amount of vitriol
sweet from which you will extract a mercurial water that reduces all the metals in the first matter, and this is the universal mercury water for our opus
italian

Il vino nostro e Lulliano ed è lo spirito del sale dell’acqua e della terra.
L’acqua è quella pluviale comune, o di fonte. La terra è invero pingue e glutinosa, che mai
partorì, ed è terra vergine. Vedi Plinio, libro 17, capitolo 6.7 345 del De Naturali Historia. È chiamata
«Marga», e con questa i nostri francesi dalle parti di Bordeaux concimano la terra sterile e la rendono assai fertile.
Da quella terra, e con acqua comune, caverai una grande quantità di vetriolo
dolce da cui estrarrai un’acqua mercuriale che riduce tutti i metalli in prima materia, e questa è l’acqua di mercurio universale per la nostra opera

my best regard alfr

Thanks alfr

True Initiate
02-01-2018, 10:48 AM
The element phosphorus in all its different modifications certainly belong to one of the most investigated elements in chemistry and I think there isn't a bit of its properties that hasn't been discovered up to now. Alchemically irrelevant because it would had been found out in the meantime.

It still requires further work like metalization by subliming it with mercury, impregnation with Gold...

Weidenfeld
02-01-2018, 11:17 AM
It still requires further work like metalization by subliming it with mercury, impregnation with Gold...

Subliming together with a metal (Hg) might lead above all to a compound that is chemically a phosphide of that metal which is rather sensible against humidity. The reaction with water might generate the very poisonous and pyrophoric phosphine (hydrogen phosphide). Take care !

True Initiate
02-01-2018, 11:43 AM
All right, the other matter of interest to me is the 4th state of matter: plasma. When we mix elements we usually do this in a liquid state and so we get our usual chemical compounds that way but just try to do the same when the matters are in a plasma state... Be ready for the big surprise, that's for sure.:p

The matters used in this type of work are gasses and low melting points elements (lithium, iodine, sodium...)

Weidenfeld
02-01-2018, 12:07 PM
All right, the other matter of interest to me is the 4th state of matter: plasma. When we mix elements we usually do this in a liquid state and so we get our usual chemical compounds that way but just try to do the same when the matters are in a plasma state... Be ready for the big surprise, that's for sure.:p

The matters used in this type of work are gasses and low melting points elements (lithium, iodine, sodium...)

Do you think the ancients were able to generate something like a plasma besides the possibility to use such within a lightening ?

True Initiate
02-01-2018, 12:54 PM
Absolutely yes but without thunder! All they needed was the vessel of quartz or a sandwich battery formation. Compare stratification recipes from RAMs with Voltaic battery.

What i want to add about Allotropy is that it could explain colour changes in alchemy by heating at ever increased temperature provided One matter, one vessel, one fire rule applies. Of course it is easy to reproduce colour changes by using chemical reactions and compounds.

Compare the recipe of Hennig Brand with the classical golden water path and you will see it is identical.


His recipe was:

1.Boil urine to reduce it to a thick syrup.
2.Heat until a red oil distills up from it, and draw that off.
3.Allow the remainder to cool, where it consists of a black spongy upper part and a salty lower part.
4.Discard the salt, mix the red oil back into the black material.
5.Heat that mixture strongly for 16 hours.
6.First white fumes come off, then an oil, then phosphorus.
7. The phosphorus may be passed into cold water to solidify.

All what was missing was letting it go through colours and projection and multiplication.

JDP
02-01-2018, 02:23 PM
Absolutely yes but without thunder! All they needed was the vessel of quartz or a sandwich battery formation. Compare stratification recipes from RAMs with Voltaic battery.

What i want to add about Allotropy is that it could explain colour changes in alchemy by heating at ever increased temperature provided One matter, one vessel, one fire rule applies. Of course it is easy to reproduce colour changes by using chemical reactions and compounds.

Compare the recipe of Hennig Brand with the classical golden water path and you will see it is identical.


His recipe was:

1.Boil urine to reduce it to a thick syrup.
2.Heat until a red oil distills up from it, and draw that off.
3.Allow the remainder to cool, where it consists of a black spongy upper part and a salty lower part.
4.Discard the salt, mix the red oil back into the black material.
5.Heat that mixture strongly for 16 hours.
6.First white fumes come off, then an oil, then phosphorus.
7. The phosphorus may be passed into cold water to solidify.

All what was missing was letting it go through colours and projection and multiplication.

Too bad that no such thing will happen. There is a reason why Brand ended up just selling the recipe for making phosphorus. He totally failed to achieve anything alchemical with phosphorus. Just like everyone else who at one time or another entertained such ideas.

JDP
02-01-2018, 02:25 PM
Well, if I read your list, it comes into my mind that I experimented also with Himmalaya Salt (long time circulation and subsequent dry distillation according to Waltharius & Valentin Weigel), made an experiment with Fe2O3 / KOH according to Franz Tausend, the Cerrusite (Lulli's wine) experiment was based on a description from Vigenere (on Fire & Salt), I have forgotten to mention these matters viz. bee wax, grape juice, red bolus ... more to come ;-)

Tausend's process was not really for making the Stone, though. It should be considered a "particular".

Weidenfeld
02-01-2018, 02:31 PM
Tausend's process was not really for making the Stone, though. It should be considered a "particular".

Yes, you are right. Actually Tausend intention solely was to make gold for the Nazis ... and of course, the creation of his own weird periodic system of the elements ;-)

JDP
02-01-2018, 03:30 PM
Yes, you are right. Actually Tausend intention solely was to make gold for the Nazis ... and of course, the creation of his own weird periodic system of the elements ;-)

Indeed. By the way: any success while putting Tausend's claims to the test? I have read about this whole incident, but unfortunately the information regarding the results of his gold-making process is a bit contradictory.

Luxus
02-01-2018, 03:45 PM
So it seems DT and I are on the same page again. This matter, calcite is a particular, designated to the mineral realm. I have other starting matters that I intend to try as well which include blood, and also, the powder of the sun.

Fire becomes Air
Air becomes Water
Water becomes Earth.

Or from another perspective:
the Sun (fire/light) is its father (ultimate origin)
The wind (air) carrys it in its belly (transmitter)
The Earth (Water & Earth) is its nurse (receptacle).
Ultimately then we seek Water or Earth as a suitable receptacle to hold the spark of life which is light or comparable to the Sun or fire.

Weidenfeld
02-01-2018, 03:52 PM
Indeed. By the way: any success while putting Tausend's claims to the test? I have read about this whole incident, but unfortunately the information regarding the results of his gold-making process is a bit contradictory.

As you can guess ... no success, however when I tried one of Tausend's recipes (the one already mentioned) I had to improvise a few things (self made iron oxide, instead of fine SiO2 I took coarse quartz sand). I guess I have to repeat this one day.

Ghislain
02-01-2018, 04:01 PM
Do you think the ancients were able to generate something like a plasma besides the possibility to use such within a lightening ?

A flame is plasma.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7_8Gc_Llr8

Ghislain

Andro
02-01-2018, 05:13 PM
Tausend's process was not really for making the Stone, though. It should be considered a "particular".

JDP is right.


Various particulars need not apply.

I asked specifically to post only matters you are/were working with, with the purpose of creating the Philosopher's Stone.

No "Particulars".

Please.

Thanks :)

elixirmixer
02-01-2018, 09:34 PM
I'll go first:

So one might say that I'm basically working with thin air and distilled water.

May I ask, is there any particular source you use to collect your distilled water?

Have you read the Sophilic Hydrolith, and does this inspire your work at all?

That's if your willing to share of course. Thank you.