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Kiorionis
02-01-2018, 04:22 AM
This is a spin-off thread from “What’s the Matter with You?”



Fire becomes Air
Air becomes Water
Water becomes Earth.

This is an interesting topic, because I’ve read two separate elemental “generation” theories. The first is as you say, that Fire generates Air.

The second is that Air generates Fire.

Which is more accurate, and why?

Dragon's Tail
02-01-2018, 04:48 AM
Not sure I'm qualified to answer this, but then again who really is?

My take:
Fire penetrates
Water coagulates

...Earth

elixirmixer
02-01-2018, 04:50 AM
IMO, when considering the impact of the elements, I think we must consider that the elements co-exist across the "four worlds" (physical, emotional, mental, spiritual) and that when we say Fire we are not talking about (vulgar obviously) but also not talking about heat and acidity. What we are really talking about is the causing element, which is behind the scenes, creating those effects. When we consider then that the TRUE Fire is actually a wellspring of complete infinite expanding function, then we can see that, that is where it all begins, since it relies on nothing else, because it is fed directly from the aether. The principals of Air, are more specificated toward an absorbing quality that allows the congealing of said fire INCLUDING all its outward forms such as heat sound light, ect.

That's what I reacon anyway. However, this is more cosmic theorim. When extraction in the plant realm I can see why they would say "air comes first" since it is literally the 'first' element to be extracted from plant matter.

Kiorionis
02-04-2018, 07:40 PM
The principals of Air, are more specificated toward an absorbing quality that allows the congealing of said fire INCLUDING all its outward forms such as heat sound light, ect.

That's what I reacon anyway. However, this is more cosmic theorim.

The cosmic theorim is what I’m talking about, actually. Personally, I’ve found that Air is the closest element relating to life, as its movement produces heat through friction. For example, the Dragon breaths Fire. So in a sense I agree, that Air coagulates Fire, but I also think it produces the Fire it coagulates. Like begets like and all that.

Aham
02-04-2018, 11:24 PM
I was at a hotel a couple of weeks ago and saw this poster on the wall

https://i.imgur.com/JCstA5r.jpg

elixirmixer
02-05-2018, 02:59 AM
The cosmic theorim is what I’m talking about, actually. Personally, I’ve found that Air is the closest element relating to life, as its movement produces heat through friction. For example, the Dragon breaths Fire. So in a sense I agree, that Air coagulates Fire, but I also think it produces the Fire it coagulates. Like begets like and all that.

This is certainly an interesting view, its the first the I've heard it described like that. And obviously judging by Ahams post, there are others who agree with you. Are you sure its not heat that gives rise to movement??

I see fires most intrinsic principal as 'expansion'. But I really have no evidence to support my view....

Kiorionis
02-05-2018, 03:20 AM
I agree more with Sendivogius on the description of Fire, from his New Chemical Light:


Fire is the purest and noblest of all elements, full of adhesive unctuous corrosiveness, penetrating, digestive, inwardly invisible, fixt, hot and dry, outwardly visible, and tempered by the earth.

@Aham: The tanmatra theory is quite similar.

Ghislain
02-05-2018, 11:31 AM
Fire is the purest and noblest of all elements, full of adhesive unctuous corrosiveness, penetrating, digestive, inwardly invisible, fixt, hot and dry, outwardly visible, and tempered by the earth.

Fire is an event occurring between elements, it is not an element itself. It is not dry; if a flame is placed on a cold surface it leaves a wet residue as can be seen on the mirror in the vid below.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X0c2h68Tjs&feature=youtu.be

Ghislain