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Awani
02-04-2018, 01:45 PM
Beware that this is a deep rabbit hole that you are about to go down into. Also I'm pretty busy at the moment, so don't have time to flesh this out properly... just wanted to post an outline of it, because why the hell not?

I recently did a podcast episode (http://www.naturalbornalchemist.com/episodes/2018/3/4/episode-164-alchemically-stoned) with a freemason that had some interesting insight into matters, that I myself have been suspecting for a long time.



The Masonic Connection

The Eleusinian Mysteries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleusinian_Mysteries) most likely used ergot in their rituals, which is a form of LSD.

Anyway this practice was banned or died away… and could it be that it did not die? That the practices continued… perhaps into the Masonic Order? Even if the Masons of today do not incorporate psychedelics in their rituals, perhaps they did in the past?

Apparently the Egyptian Rite created by Cagliostro did.


Cagliostro writes that his candidates for initiation “shall drink” a brew prepared from acacia, the “primal matter,” thereby “raising his spirit in order to understand.” This is exactly the type of language that one would expect if Cagliostro was actually initiating his candidates with a form of ayahuasca.

For, the brew certainly satisfies the requirements of raising one’s spirit and imparting a certain understanding that comes only from the type of inebriation induced by drinking the beverage. As we have noted elsewhere, if not for its DMT content, we cannot conceive of any practical reason why Cagliostro would have his initiates literally drink an ayahuasca-like concoction of acacia. – source (http://disinfo.com/2016/04/count-cagliostros-libation-of-acacia-and-the-herb-rue-of-the-irwins-fratres-lucis/)

To this day a new initiate in Freemasonry is given a branch of Acacia.

Acacia is an excellent source of DMT. Also there is a theory about Moses and the burning bush being Acacia (DMT).



The Alchemical Connection

I have for a long time, but had not had the time to do so, been thinking about looking into the DMT extraction process and tracing it over the alchemical process… because I think that the Stone is DMT… it always was!

What does DMT look like? Crystals… i.e. Stones.

Also the most telling clue is that it is called the PHILOSOPHERS Stone…

https://image.ibb.co/eHAsqc/File_Proxy_ashx.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
A photo of the Stone i.e. DMT crystals.

Side note: does DMT, if orally ingested, need MAOI inhibitor? Apparently if you drink so much that the body can't "destroy" the DMT quantity you ingest, then you will get the DMT experience anyway. Which removes any issue regarding the lack of MAOI processes in alchemy... even if I think they might be found... I have not looked yet.



The LSD conncetion

The story goes that Albert Hofmann first synthesized LSD in 1938, which eventually led to the hippie movement and the "drop acid, not bombs" chants...


In 1933, five years earlier, Leo Perutz published the novel Saint Peter's Snow (also known in English as The Virgin's Brand). Critic Alan Piper considered it "a psychological detective story", although it has varyingly been categorised as science fiction or fantasy. Piper believed that the novel was decades ahead of its time due to the description of a hallucinogenic drug derived from an ergot fungus 10 years before the discovery of LSD. He also thought it astonishing that it discussed the experimental use of this hallucinogen on an isolated village 20 years before the 1951 Pont-Saint-Esprit mass poisoning (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1951_Pont-Saint-Esprit_mass_poisoning), and proposed that ergot was the psychoactive ingredient used in the ancient mystery cults 40 years before this was put forward as a serious proposal. - source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Perutz)

It has been claimed that ergot poising was common in the old days, and perhaps why some people were burned as witches (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergotism#Salem_witchcraft_accusations).

Ergot is a fungus that grows on rye. Ergot poisoning is also known as Saint Anthonys Fire, named after Saint Anthony the Hermit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_the_Hermit). Just saying...

Side note: According to the freemason I talked to there is also a theory that Albert Hofmann did not stumble upon LSD by accident, but that in fact he was part of an order that tried to find a compound that could end war (make love, not bombs)...



Conclusions

1. As I have put forward before, I think that alchemy is an offspring of shamanism.

2. All religions and ancient knowledge of "gods", "afterlife" and "wisdom" comes from psychedelics and/or shamanic rituals.

3. Alchemy is about finding the Stone, and the Stone is DMT... any other Stone is just a rock. Ha ha. :) Although I am sure healing potions and other usable and valuable elixirs can be made with Alchemy... but I don't think any of them is the Stone.

4. I can only seriously accept counter-arguments to this theory after you have smoked a heroic dose of DMT, or committed yourself to a proper brew of Ayahuasca... because I would have called this theory mumbo-jumbo before I did so myself. LOL. And if anyone tells me that if I only could see the Stone they made, and how it transmutes "lead into gold", I would simply just say: "not interested in making gold"

Because if making gold is the reason we are here, then I am utterly disgusted... unless you want gold to create a public domain statue to the Divine Mystery or something... ;)

Awani out.

:p

Schmuldvich
02-04-2018, 02:22 PM
Wonderful thread!

As someone who has many DMT experiences under their belt, I completely agree.

There is nothing, and I mean nothing at all that even comes close to the absolute profundity of experiencing the effects of DMT.

If you are versed in Alchemy and have ever extracted DMT yourself (you gotta try this soon, Awani!) you would be amazed to find out how closely, albeit not exactly, the process follows our Work.

I have not confected the Philosopher's Stone, but I am very interested in the effects manifested in the Artist after ingesting it. Some of the "health effects" touted by the Adepts resonate with that of orally ingested DMT+MAOi to some degree.

Being that I have never seen, touched, or experienced the effects of the Philosopher's Stone (the end product of our Great Work), I can honestly say that DMT is the closest thing to the Philosopher's Stone I have ever come in contact with, and by far the most incredibly powerful substance on Earth.

Until I produce the Philosopher's Stone, my opinion remains unchanged.









These threads may be of interest to you:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30071 (No MAOI: Complexing DMT freebase for sublingual administration)
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=5439 (So I snorted some freebase.....)
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=23795 (Snorting DMT DOES work and it works very well!!!!)
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15546625/fpart/all/vc/1 (Snort DMT for the win!! (If you can handle it))
https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=73670 (No MAOI Experiment: An Experience with DMT Rectally)

Awani
02-04-2018, 02:42 PM
Until I produce the Philosopher's Stone, my opinion remains unchanged.


...and have ever extracted DMT yourself...

Seems to me you already have produced it.


...you gotta try this soon, Awani...

I have extracted it. ;)

:p

horticult
02-04-2018, 03:19 PM
imo acacia is here as deckname, koz is symbol 4 immortal/longevity

Awani
02-04-2018, 04:17 PM
imo acacia is here as deckname, koz is symbol 4 immortal/longevity

https://image.ibb.co/h5HOVc/557e95a4c37fe6e4b1c4949fb33a417b0cd9576850bd829de8 fe722a3c8cc0ab.jpg

:p

alfr
02-04-2018, 07:50 PM
Hello everyone

this text Alchemically-Stoned-Psychedelic-Secret-Freemasonry of the Newman freemason (see various reviews and Newman's articles) just published about entogens and natural psychoactive substances and alchemy and philosopher's stone makes hypotheses and researches that perhaps?could perhaps? be interesting ?

https://www.amazon.com/Alchemically-Stoned-Psychedelic-Secret-Freemasonry/dp/0578194007

and about it read also

https://grahamhancock.com/newmanpd1/

but to develop the topic and the research, let us ask ourselves first of all the DMT, etc., do we have the characteristics that traditionally must have the stone philosophale its elixir?

my best regard

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Salve a tutti

questo testo Alchemically-Stoned-Psychedelic-Secret-Freemasonry del massone Newman (si vedano varie recensioni e articoli di Newman ) appena edito a riguardo entogeni e sostanze naturali psicoattive e alchimia e pietra filosofale fa ipotesi e ricerche che anche forse? potrebbero essere forse? interessanti ?

https://www.amazon.com/Alchemically-Stoned-Psychedelic-Secret-Freemasonry/dp/0578194007

and about it read

https://grahamhancock.com/newmanpd1/

ma per sviluppare l'argomento e la ricerca chiediamoci come prima cosa il DMT etc hanno le carattestistiche che tradizionalnelmente deve avere la pietra philosophale suo elixir ?

my best regard

Awani
02-04-2018, 08:29 PM
...this text Alchemically-Stoned-Psychedelic-Secret-Freemasonry of the Newman freemason (see various reviews and Newman's articles) just published about entogens and natural psychoactive substances and alchemy and philosopher's stone makes hypotheses and researches that perhaps?could perhaps? be interesting ?.

This is the author that I talked to that is the source of this thread. ;)

:p

Awani
10-25-2018, 12:34 AM
Mention of the philosopher's stone in writing can be found as far back as Cheirokmeta by Zosimos of Panopolis (c. 300 AD). Alchemical writers assign a longer history. Elias Ashmole and the anonymous author of Gloria Mundi (1620) claim that its history goes back to Adam who acquired the knowledge of the stone directly from God. This knowledge was said to be passed down through biblical patriarchs, giving them their longevity. The legend of the stone was also compared to the biblical history of the Temple of Solomon and the rejected cornerstone described in Psalm 118. - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher%27s_stone)

Anyone read Psalm 118? I have. Religiously.

The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
This is the Lord's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.

:p

White Belt
10-26-2018, 09:52 PM
Anyone read Psalm 118? I have. Religiously.

The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
This is the Lord's doing; it is marvelous in our eyes.

:p

The above passage is very close to my heart as well. The sword in the stone has been my favorite Disney movie since I was young. I think you are pretty close to the mark here maybe dead on.
After about 8 years of research which started with DMT - The Spirit Molecule by Rick Strassman and because of this breakthrough research then subsequent reaction of the Buddhist community he was a member of and my own ties to Taoism, Shaolin Kung Fu,Chinese Internal Alchemy and the secret Tea of the ancient Taoist masters my teacher said was magic mushrooms.

The way of the Shaman by Michael Harner led me the connection between breathing practices,fasting,plant medicine and the drum. The relation to altered states of consciousness accessed through these various shamanistic technologies was the golden thread for me. My kung fu teacher was adopted by the native americans, he now lives out on a reservation and his name is no longer Rama Ananda Das but instead Strong Bear after many visions in the sweat tents, which he continues to conduct ceremonies every other week end.

Mircea Eliade Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy, was a hefty piece of literature.

After I digested it things became clearer and I spoke with my oldest friend about my theories. The oldest pilgrims who crossed the landbridge during or after the Younger Dryas Impact Event, bringing with them their Tamil Nadu, Siberian and or Himalayan Philosophy as well as the stereotypical slanted eyes down through Native Canada, America and then to the primordial Rainforests of the Amazon. Maybe the other way around? lol

There are so many mysteries that have been uncovered. I have yet to take Ayahuasca or smoke DMT. I still feel like I can work with mushrooms for a while, either way I neither have the proper place nor the money to pursue extacting DMT or a trip to the Amazon. But I have come to a very similar place of thought regarding what the stone is or could be. I spoke with PD Newman this morning on Facebook about it.

Is it possible these yoga techniques, fasting, penance, breathing, mantra, tantra, dance and other shamanic techniques produce through some kind of trance or altered state of consciousness a type of endogenous DMT? It seems so.

What else is happening here? There is a common thread linking Western cultures with Alchemy. Alchemy seems to have a spiritual bent. Alchemy certainly has ties with some of the greatest philosophy ever written. Art, creativity, poetry, music. Geometry? Math? After taking a psychedelic substance an overflowing of these creative juices begins to flow through the taker. Almost as if none of it belongs to the Artist but is sent from some "Other".

The ties to the Holy Grail, a comet in the sky, the cathedral building period the Knights Templar and the most tumultuous period in Western European history the clashing of the Muslim and Christian empires.

You mention a legend of Adam possibly possessing the original stone I have never heard of this however I have heard of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxSyv8klhbI&ab_channel=Jundullah2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone

"Islamic tradition holds that it fell from heaven as a guide for Adam and Eve to build an altar. It has often been described as a meteorite"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnfRDVuqipE&ab_channel=Bangladeshtv

Stones were always considered very sacred.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baetylus

It took me a long time to write this, I will have to continue later with other additions.

Awani
10-26-2018, 10:17 PM
Mircea Eliade Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy, was a hefty piece of literature.

Keep in mind this guy never left his chair.


I neither have the proper place nor the money to pursue extacting DMT or a trip to the Amazon.

Extraction is not so expensive. Also there are places in the Amazon you can volunteer... if there is a will, there is a way.


Is it possible these yoga techniques, fasting, penance, breathing, mantra, tantra, dance and other shamanic techniques produce through some kind of trance or altered state of consciousness a type of endogenous DMT? It seems so.

Perhaps you can enter similar realms, but naturally create the DMT experience... I sincerely doubt it.


You mention a legend of Adam possibly possessing the original stone I have never heard of this however I have heard of this.

The Forbidden Fruit ;)

http://www.evolveandascend.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/plaincouralt-adam-and-eve.jpg

Terence McKenna calls the Garden of Eden story "the worlds first drug bust".


"Islamic tradition holds that it fell from heaven as a guide for Adam and Eve to build an altar. It has often been described as a meteorite".

That Mecca project looks awesome. Islam is based on older traditions, like all religions... like alchemy... and I view this "older tradition" as Shamanism.

https://i.imgur.com/SZGxZxF.jpg

:p

elixirmixer
10-26-2018, 10:51 PM
Hey Awani, I havent been able to gain the clarity to cleanse my body, and so I was thinking about having an Ayuaska adventure anyway. What are your thoughts?

Also, I believe that the "older" tradition of Islam is in fact Christianity. The Quoran speaks a lot about Jesus, John the Baptist, Elijah, Moses ect... and we know Christ was hebrew, and we know that the Hebrews learned Hermerics from the Egyptians. These Egyptians were certainly involved with somw Shamanic cultures, for example, the Australian Aboriginals.

Love the pic of the Muslim on acid. Regards.

Awani
10-26-2018, 10:58 PM
Hey Awani, I havent been able to gain the clarity to cleanse my body, and so I was thinking about having an Ayuaska adventure anyway. What are your thoughts?

If you can't achieve the clarity to cleanse your body, how can you be prepared to cleanse your mind?


I believe that the "older" tradition of Islam is in fact Christianity.

See this (https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religion).

But in all those religions there were "older traditions" that were adopted into the religions.

You mention the Egyptians and the Australian Aboriginals. What is the connection?

:p

elixirmixer
10-26-2018, 11:04 PM
The two races are the only ones recorded to have types of boomerangs. They have also recently found evidence of Egyptian hyroglyphics in Sydney Australia. 3 of the worlds best egyptologists verified there authenticity; only then to be paid of by 'the system' and later deny their authenticity. But it seemed highly suspicious that they were all in total agreement originally and then all of a sudden changed their minds.

There must be some other evidences, because my grade 5 teacher taught me about it at school aswell.

Awani
10-26-2018, 11:09 PM
Ah yes... You should read Bruce Fenton's "The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution (http://brucefenton.info/into-africa-theory/?fbclid=IwAR39IkW8lIv-zcqzjmse7-BCVu6SisCyJWzbv8VBuN_MxHRKQFjZjltvYME)". Had him on the podcast (http://www.naturalbornalchemist.com/episodes/2018/4/1/episode-168-the-forgotten-exodus) as well.


The Into Africa Theory disputes the claims of Out of Africa and Out of Asia (or Europe) adherents over the starting point for the migration which populated Eurasia approximately 60,000 years ago and identifies the actual location.

Amazing facts that you will encounter:

- Homo heidelbergensis was not ancestral to modern humans

- Denisovan fossils in Siberia carried DNA from Australian Aboriginals

- An Indonesian supervolcano brought about the end for multiple hominin species

- Climate catastrophe locked humans in Africa from 73,000 to 59,000 years ago

- There is no African fossil DNA over 10,000 years in age

- While supposedly isolated, Aboriginal Australians interbred with Denisovans 44,000 years ago

:p

White Belt
10-27-2018, 06:45 PM
Keep in mind this guy never left his chair.


I think I get what you mean, as in he never took the drugs??

Because if you are trying to say he didn't know what he was talking about you are way wrong. His theory was that Yoga did not come from Vedic literature but from an older source of origin, IE Shamanism.

He was not an expert in Shamanism though in that respect you are correct. He was a professor of Hinduism and Buddhism. His whole purpose for writing his book Shamanism was to search for the oldest source of all religion. So he sought out in his opinion the oldest and most archaic form he could find.

Some of the most interesting shamanic practices ever recorded are written about in his book. Not sure if you have read it or didn't like it? I loved it! He sounds like a skeptic who can't believe what is happening around him.

As to what the tree picture is... I have a hard time wrapping my head around the mushroom theory. Just looks like confirmation bias.

Awani
10-28-2018, 12:17 AM
I think I get what you mean, as in he never took the drugs??*

Because if you are trying to say he didn't know what he was talking about you are way wrong.

In many ways he did... but he ALSO did not know what he was talking about.

I mean that he did all his research in his chair. He never, as far as I know, even met a Shaman... nor did he visit any indigenous communities... but worst of all he classifies shamanism without "psychedelic plants" as a lesser form. I am from the "school" that shamanism "without" such plants is a form of shamanism that is severely crippled.

Are you using the term "confirmation bias" when discussing the Garden of Eden? LOL. No one knows for sure anything about the Bible, so no one can really "confirm" anything. To me the evidence is pretty obvious.

:p

* I personally dislike using the term "drugs"... everything is a drug... but most people don't have that view, and they use the term drugs to describe heroin, coke etc... and I don't think psychedelic plants deserve the use of the term drugs.