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elixirmixer
02-08-2018, 10:19 PM
Every time I read about kundalini, I always hear different views as to how to activate it.

I have previously trained in Chi Gung and when I'm not being lazy I can move energetic sensations around in my body.

Previously I was training to move the energies of sexual arousal up the spine and into the heart and brain, however, without my kundalini activated this give pretty mild results.

I was wondering if there are any here willing to share:
a) how they activated Kundalini
b) how they knew that they had activated Kundalini
c) how long does it take of purity and training to activate Kundalini (roughly, as I'm sure its different for everyone)

Also, my main question is, has a lifetime of draining my balls made it near impossible for me to do this? Am I literally going to need to save up a decade of sexual energy, to compensate for a decade of depravity?

I'd love to know all your thoughts. EM

Kiorionis
02-09-2018, 12:30 AM
Sex energy is the microcosmic verson of kundalini. By circulating the microcosmic light you open the pathway for the macrocosmic

elixirmixer
02-09-2018, 02:22 AM
Ahh Kiorionis.... I was hoping you would come and answer this question for me, and you've done so very well.

Thank you.

Kiorionis
02-09-2018, 03:09 AM
Haha thanks I guess. I’m currently distracted but if you’d like I can go more in depth later on.

elixirmixer
02-09-2018, 05:08 AM
That would be lovely, cheers.

Luxus
02-09-2018, 09:09 PM
The truth is energy is generated in the brain centre and goes down the spine. But "they" like to reverse all truths !

Kiorionis
02-09-2018, 09:13 PM
Who is “they”?

Luxus
02-09-2018, 09:25 PM
lets just call them the illuminati...I will leave it up to others to discover who they are.

elixirmixer
02-09-2018, 09:35 PM
This is interesting because I do notice that my sexual energy prefers to want to go 'up' the 'front', and I have to force it to move up the spine. Also, in a form of chigung called "The Flowing" they practise this method in both directions.... Hmmm... I'm going to go have a wank. Excuse me... :cool:

elixirmixer
02-09-2018, 10:25 PM
Well, it seems that this energy can move up both channels. My face feels a little numb and warm right now. And my ears are ringing out of control (they always ring, but this is louder than usual).

Interesting. I'll have to keep experimenting with these concepts you guys have shared.

Kiorionis
02-10-2018, 12:00 AM
This is interesting because I do notice that my sexual energy prefers to want to go 'up' the 'front', and I have to force it to move up the spine. Also, in a form of chigung called "The Flowing" they practise this method in both directions.... Hmmm... I'm going to go have a wank. Excuse me... :cool:

The reason you have to force it up the spine is because your spine is knotted (granthi). But you shouldn’t force it. You should bring the energy to each knot, and calmly, gently breathe into the space to unknot -- by doing this you are practicing the bandhas.

Here is a good link for you: Untying the Knots that Bind Us (https://jivamuktiyoga.com/fotm/untying-knots-bind-us/)

Kiorionis
02-10-2018, 12:01 AM
lets just call them the illuminati...I will leave it up to others to discover who they are.

Oh, I thought you had actual references to useful material...

Please stay on topic :)

elixirmixer
02-10-2018, 03:22 AM
What would you recommend... During a meditation session to

A) focus on one chakra

Or

B) work through all the chakras.

Its not hard for me to get some energy into the heart and brain, or should we build up a lot of energy I to the sacral chakra and only move on after that is maximum charge?

Kiorionis
02-10-2018, 03:44 AM
I recommend to first focus on opening up the microcosmic orbit by circulating Awareness through the two channels. By Awareness I mean “thinking about it”. Inhale brings awareness upwards, exhale returns it. Repeat.

Don’t try to move energy to begin with, just get comfortable breathing and moving awareness. That’s a very important fundamental skill to develop, and also the best way to find the most natural pathway. If you force the energy upwards there is a chance to bring it into alternate channels, which can cause problems down the road.

Pretty soon you’ll find the energy moving to follow awareness and the breath, which will bring awareness to the places that are blocked along the orbit, and the energized breath will start clearing it out. By doing this, the “chakras” are gently and naturally balanced.

Basically, you could say it’s more of a practice with the breath than it is with sex energy.

End the session by moving any circulating energy, breath and awareness into the lower elixir field (behind and below navel, brought up from the root) and breath a few times.
It’s important that energy follows awareness, and not the other way around. :)

elixirmixer
02-10-2018, 11:44 AM
Yes. Despite my manic, and lack of discipline, I am already deeply capable of everything you just said.

My initial question was..... how long......(edit: meaning TIME)....

Please and thank you Kiorionis !? :)

Kiorionis
02-10-2018, 02:40 PM
Haha, oh...

How long? Well that depends on how often you practice. Springtime is a good time for practicing every day.

Luxus
02-10-2018, 06:08 PM
How long?...how about until your last disappointing breath lol .......thats actually a good question because the next question that follows would be how long until what...what are you expecting to happen?

I was into this Taoist stuff since I was a kid, I even trained with Shaolin monks....one day I looked over at an old master and realised he had nothing, literally he was no different then my Irish granddad who went down the pub for a pint. People who teach this stuff will often tell you how it will slowdown ageing yet the person teaching has not managed to do this themselves. I came to the conclusion that there was only two possibility:
1: All the legends are pure crap and have no truth in them.
2: The legends are true but the technique currently popular are not working because they have been corrupted.
I choose to believe option 2

Kiorionis
02-10-2018, 06:30 PM
Monks of which lineage?

And I agree with your choice of number two. The traditions have been corrupted, misplaced, shortened, extended to redundancy, poorly translated, you name it.

However, they’re certainly not forgotten.

Luxus
02-10-2018, 06:57 PM
There is only one true Shaolin monastery in Henan where Bodhidharma first taught, my teacher came from there.

I found this microcosmic orbit stuff was modern crap and you wont find it in ancient text as it is taught in these modern books. All those modern books you can use the pages as toilet paper because that is all they are worth. Chiefly it was an organisation healing tao who made this stuff popular but it all comes from around that period perhaps 60s-70s

Kiorionis
02-10-2018, 07:11 PM
Right, Mantak Chia (I think) was the one who popularized the term “microcosmic orbit.” But just because he composed a new word for the Western world doesn’t mean the actual, internal pathways don’t exist. He did this because it was easier and faster than teaching every interested Westerner the Chinese language.

Here’s a question for you. If there is only one true Shaolin Monastery, and they teach a system which isn’t true, or that you found inaccurate, how does that qualify them to be “the one true Monastery?”

Most lineages say that their way is the only way. The only way to gain students and pay rent haha.

Edit: and on a side note, The system of Buddhism Bodhidharma taught is not Taoism.

Luxus
02-10-2018, 08:02 PM
The concept of blowing your energy up the spine and down the front does not exist in ancient Taoist training manuals. Thats why I said elixirmixer could do it until his last disappointing breath, literally you can turn that wheel until you are blue in the face with zero positive results.

Now what I found was just like alchemy has become a lost art so too has these Taoist techniques. I dont think you will find in this modern world a teacher who fully understands the ancient techniques that includes my teachers, all they had was crumbs which is why they couldn't successfully put it together and gain results similar to those talked of in ancient text. Best you can do is get hold of a Taoist manuscript which has been translated. Even then you are on shaky ground because these training manuals were never meant to be published outside the sect. But a modern book on Taoist naidan is as valuable as a modern text on alchemy....toilet paper!

elixirmixer
02-10-2018, 08:16 PM
So luxus, have you activated kundalini?

I have no idea what to expect, I assume it will feel like a mass of waters running upstream and into
my brain, washing all the bad voodoo away lol

Kiorionis
02-10-2018, 08:24 PM
Quite inaccurate, Luxus. The Tao Te Ching (or Dao De Jing, 6th century BCE) speaks about it, although quite secretly, because it’s not a “practical” manual, but a “theoretical” manual. As I’m sure you’re aware, the Tao Te Ching is a central text in Taoism.

For example:


Chapter 4:

The Dao is empty,
But when using it, it is impossible to use it up.
It is profound, seems like the root of the myriad things.
Blunts its own sharpness.
Unravels its own fetters.
Harmonises its own light.
Mixes with its own dust.
It is unclear, but seems to have existed there.
I do not know whose son it is,
Maybe it was already created before the creator.

Chapter 5:

The sky and the earth do not care,
They regard the myriad things as straw dogs;
The sage does not care,
He regards people as straw dogs.
The space between the sky and the earth, how much is it like large bellows!
Empty but endless,
Just move and wind will be produced;
Much talk soon comes to nothing.
It is better to be in between extremes.

Most Taoist teachings are conceptual like this, because their language is conceptual. It’s not as “logical” as English. While “Ching/Jing” means compassion, frugality, etc. It is also one of the three Taoist treasures of Jing, Chi and Shen. In the case of practical application, Ching is the generative force. The “lesson” being that it is a force which should be used with compassion and frugality, because if it is used up, so is the ability to engender things (aka impotence), and if it is cooked too rapidly, it will burn you out. It’s best to stay in between the extremes of the practice.

Kiorionis
02-10-2018, 08:25 PM
I have no idea what to expect, I assume it will feel like a mass of waters running upstream and into
my brain, washing all the bad voodoo away lol

Kundalini is more like Fire, burning away impurities. Hence it being called the Serpent Fire.

Andro
02-10-2018, 08:26 PM
Best way IMO is to find a genuine teacher who actually embodies what he teaches.

Unfortunately they are very rare to come by.

I had a friend who studied Tai Chi with a genuine master (a master who could do incredible things), and my friend told me that the real "goodies" are exclusive to the highest levels.

What I have been suspecting for long, is that ALL these traditions also have a "back room", and guess what's there... An Alchemy lab to prepare the elixir(s), without which reaching the top levels is essentially close to impossible :)

If we're fortunate enough, I'd say it can be also possible to have a non-physical teacher (via OOB, lucid dreams, spontaneous knowing of the next steps, etc)

theFool
02-10-2018, 08:37 PM
In the well known book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy & Immortality" by Lu K'uan Yu, the practice of microcosmic orbit is described as "turning the wheel of law". In the description of the book in amazon we read:
"Instructions by ancient enlightened patriarchs and masters are translated here for the first time. A classic work."

Also, in wiki we read that Lu K'uan Yu (1898-1978) "was an early translator of Chinese Buddhist texts and commentaries into the English language." Through his numerous books, he attempted to save mainly the Chinese Buddhist tradition by translating it in english.

Kiorionis
02-10-2018, 08:42 PM
What I have been suspecting for long, is that ALL these traditions also have a "back room", and guess what's there... An Alchemy lab to prepare the elixir(s), without which reaching the top levels is essentially close to impossible :)

I very much suspect the same!

Luxus
02-10-2018, 08:56 PM
So luxus, have you activated kundalini?

I have no idea what to expect, I assume it will feel like a mass of waters running upstream and into
my brain, washing all the bad voodoo away lol

I explained that this kundalini actually does not exist, there is no secret energy in your ass waiting to go up your spine.

elixirmixer
02-10-2018, 09:06 PM
I disagree. As I said, I'm already reasonably proficient at moving said nonexistent ass energy around my body. Sure it doesn't necessarily give me psychic abilities at this stage, but it certainly doesn't hurt. I do tend to be an all-round happier, healthier person when I am "turning the wheel" as you all say.

I have seen martial artists do some pretty amazing things, which would have only been possible if they had some type of "energy" going on.

Also, the more you practise, the easier it gets. The more you practise white tantra, the easier it gets to enjoy sex without ejaculation.

I have a sense, that there are in fact two secret energies in the body. I'll call them Sol and Luna for now. Sol is activated through this type of sexual meditation, and Luna is achieved through fasting or other detox inducing activities. Sol is the fire. Luna is the water. I have no idea what would happen if I achieved both of these simultaneously, but I suspect something great!

Luxus
02-10-2018, 09:10 PM
Quite inaccurate, Luxus. The Tao Te Ching (or Dao De Jing, 6th century BCE) speaks about it, although quite secretly, because it’s not a “practical” manual, but a “theoretical” manual. As I’m sure you’re aware, the Tao Te Ching is a central text in Taoism.

For example:



Most Taoist teachings are conceptual like this, because their language is conceptual. It’s not as “logical” as English. While “Ching/Jing” means compassion, frugality, etc. It is also one of the three Taoist treasures of Jing, Chi and Shen. In the case of practical application, Ching is the generative force. The “lesson” being that it is a force which should be used with compassion and frugality, because if it is used up, so is the ability to engender things (aka impotence), and if it is cooked too rapidly, it will burn you out. It’s best to stay in between the extremes of the practice.

They talk about heaven and Earth yes and jing, Qi and the jindan. If you want to believe in this microcosmic orbit stuff you can but I know where it comes from (a misinterpretation of a diagram in a 17th century Taoist text). I also seen other diagrams that shows the error but ultimately I will leave it up to the one who wants to go down this avenue of research I suggest.

Luxus
02-10-2018, 09:14 PM
I disagree. As I said, I'm already reasonably proficient at moving said nonexistent ass energy around my body. Sure it doesn't necessarily give me psychic abilities at this stage, but it certainly doesn't hurt. I do tend to be an all-round happier, healthier person when I am "turning the wheel" as you all say.

I have seen martial artists do some pretty amazing things, which would have only been possible if they had some type of "energy" going on.

Also, the more you practise, the easier it gets. The more you practise white tantra, the easier it gets to enjoy sex without ejaculation.

I have a sense, that there are in fact two secret energies in the body. I'll call them Sol and Luna for now. Sol is activated through this type of sexual meditation, and Luna is achieved through fasting or other detox inducing activities. Sol is the fire. Luna is the water. I have no idea what would happen if I achieved both of these simultaneously, but I suspect something great!

My gift to you is that energy moves down your spine, do with this gift as you will.