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Awani
02-25-2018, 08:57 AM
OFF-TOPIC from here: Physical immortality....on THIS Earth (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?5550-Physical-immortality....on-THIS-Earth)


I don't buy that "I don't want to live forever, please someone shoot me!" thingy.

That is not how it goes for any wise and intelligent creature. Death is beautiful, as is life.

Immortality I leave for the vampires, and there is a reason they are called cursed.

:p

JDP
02-25-2018, 10:40 AM
That is not how it goes for any wise and intelligent creature. Death is beautiful, as is life.

Immortality I leave for the vampires, and there is a reason they are called cursed.

:p

Death is terrible, that's why everyone in their right mind tries to avoid it for as long as possible. And somehow I strongly suspect that if there was an "immortality pill", among the first in line very willing to take it would in fact be the people who pretend it would be a "curse" :)

PS: vampires are "cursed" because they have to feed on the blood of the living for them to be able to keep on living, not because of immortality itself.

JDP
02-25-2018, 10:43 AM
I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live in my apartment. - Woody Allen

;)

Awani
02-25-2018, 11:09 AM
I disagree with everything you said, especially quotes by old fucks who fuck their adopted children.

:p

JDP
02-25-2018, 11:30 AM
I disagree with everything you said, especially quotes by old fucks who fuck their adopted children.

:p

Easy problem, easy solution: jump down a cliff then! You should not try to cling to life if you really believe the weird stuff you preach. After all, "death is beautiful", right? :)

Awani
02-25-2018, 12:07 PM
Are you 14?

:p

Luxus
02-25-2018, 12:19 PM
I dont think God would ever want to make someone as physically ugly as Woody Allen immortal :)

Awani
02-25-2018, 02:22 PM
I agree with JDP here

I think you and JDP are confusing longevity and a long productive healthy life with IMMORTALITY.

https://image.ibb.co/c5LB7c/9cf3e323dd4a5b88950e8d6625c4f27f_twilight_meme_twi light_saga.jpg

I guess if you are a heartless bastard and you take pleasure in burying everyone you ever loved, then immortality is a hoot. What happens when the Sun dies? Are you going to float away in space? LOL.

Like you said, it''s fun to play video games but after a few hours you want to stretch your legs and do something else. I am certain JDP is dead sure death is an empty black nothingness.. but since death, to me, is a door... it is going to be a great adventure walking through it.

:p

Luxus
02-25-2018, 02:31 PM
I guess if you are a heartless bastard and you take pleasure in burying everyone you ever loved, then immortality is a hoot.



Ok so would you say all the successful alchemists before us are heartless bastards for not openly detailing the production of the elixir to the masses ?

Come to think of it how would one cope with burying everyone they have ever loved? Would you reach a point where you would never allow yourself to love anyone ever again?

Hmm, that is interesting, Vampires in the story's are sometimes said not to have a beating heart and to be incapable of love....ultimately then taking the elixir turns you into a vampire :eek:

Awani
02-25-2018, 02:54 PM
Watch Highlander, that films deals with these topics in an excellent way I think.


Ok so would you say all the successful alchemists before us are heartless bastards for not openly detailing the production of the elixir to the masses?

They can't detail what they do not have. ;)

:p

Awani
02-25-2018, 03:56 PM
Also if we consider the life of the spirit/soul/higher self we are, in a sense, immortal already. So basically what we are discussing is our rental contract with Earth.

I don't know about you guys, but I'd like to move house after about 80+ years... it's a bit boring to live in the same crib forever... it's like eating donuts... tastes good first time, but every day forever... pretty disgusting.

There are four types of people and outcomes to all this:

People who do not think death is the end, enjoys life to the fullest (at least I try to), and then if I am wrong I've had a nice life.

People who do not think death is the end, and find out that they were right will sail onwards with ease.

People who stress about wanting to live forever are people who think that death is THE END.

People who think death is THE END, and are wrong will have a major hangover.

LOL.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtEFEdrrXc4

:p

Kibric
02-25-2018, 06:03 PM
I guess if you are a heartless bastard and you take pleasure in burying everyone you ever loved, then immortality is a hoot.
finally some recognition

JDP
02-25-2018, 07:59 PM
I think you and JDP are confusing longevity and a long productive healthy life with IMMORTALITY.

https://image.ibb.co/c5LB7c/9cf3e323dd4a5b88950e8d6625c4f27f_twilight_meme_twi light_saga.jpg

I guess if you are a heartless bastard and you take pleasure in burying everyone you ever loved, then immortality is a hoot. What happens when the Sun dies? Are you going to float away in space? LOL.

Like you said, it''s fun to play video games but after a few hours you want to stretch your legs and do something else. I am certain JDP is dead sure death is an empty black nothingness.. but since death, to me, is a door... it is going to be a great adventure walking through it.

:p

That again prompts the question: why try to cling on to life for as long as possible, then, if you are so sure about the existence of this alleged "door" to some kind of "afterlife"? JUMP OFF A CLIFF, OR TAKE SOME PAINLESS POISON A LA HEAVEN'S GATE CULT!!! Go through them "Pearly Gates" and enjoy that "Eternal Bliss" right now! "Death is beautiful", right? :)

JDP
02-25-2018, 08:06 PM
Also if we consider the life of the spirit/soul/higher self we are, in a sense, immortal already. So basically what we are discussing is our rental contract with Earth.

I don't know about you guys, but I'd like to move house after about 80+ years... it's a bit boring to live in the same crib forever... it's like eating donuts... tastes good first time, but every day forever... pretty disgusting.

There are four types of people and outcomes to all this:

People who do not think death is the end, enjoys life to the fullest (at least I try to), and then if I am wrong I've had a nice life.

People who do not think death is the end, and find out that they were right will sail onwards with ease.

People who stress about wanting to live forever are people who think that death is THE END.

People who think death is THE END, and are wrong will have a major hangover.

LOL.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtEFEdrrXc4

:p

But you forgot the fifth type:

People who are totally convinced that death is not the end, keep obsessing and preaching about it all their lives, trying not only to convince themselves of it but also others, then when they kick the bucket it turns out their uncorroborated beliefs were bunk, and are now majorly screwed, as they wasted their lives pondering and worrying about things that no one can prove.

Awani
02-25-2018, 09:20 PM
JUMP OFF A CLIFF, OR TAKE SOME PAINLESS POISON A LA HEAVEN'S GATE CULT!!!

Suicide is for quitters. We are here for a certain time and then we go "home". Enjoy it while it lasts. You utterly fail to grasp the concept.


But you forgot the fifth type:

People who are totally convinced that death is not the end, keep obsessing and preaching about it all their lives, trying not only to convince themselves of it but also others, then when they kick the bucket it turns out their uncorroborated beliefs were bunk, and are now majorly screwed, as they wasted their lives pondering and worrying about things that no one can prove.

No, I did not... in fact it was the very first type I mentioned:

People who do not think death is the end, enjoys life to the fullest (at least I try to), and then if I am wrong I've had a nice life.

What I was trying to explain is that I rather believe in an afterlife and be wrong, than not believe in an afterlife and be wrong. But I guess that was too complicated to grasp.

Since you give me the advice on a regular basis, let me return the favour: why don't you kill yourself?

Personally it would make little difference on my end.

:p

Kibric
02-25-2018, 09:40 PM
I'll settle this
I'll Kill you or JDP or both
you'll get your answers

Awani
02-25-2018, 09:46 PM
I have the answers. I'm at peace.

:p

elixirmixer
02-25-2018, 10:01 PM
I'll settle this
I'll Kill you or JDP or both
you'll get your answers

Let's be friends. I always like making friends with people from a wide variety of trades and experience lol

JDP
02-25-2018, 10:05 PM
Suicide is for quitters. We are here for a certain time and then we go "home". Enjoy it while it lasts. You utterly fail to grasp the concept.

Sounds like a cheap cop-out. If whatever lies behind that "door" is so great, and you really think it's so sure it actually exists, then you should not waste your time here.


No, I did not... in fact it was the very first type I mentioned:

People who do not think death is the end, enjoys life to the fullest (at least I try to), and then if I am wrong I've had a nice life.

What I was trying to explain is that I rather believe in an afterlife and be wrong, than not believe in an afterlife and be wrong. But I guess that was too complicated to grasp.

No, that is not the same as I wrote. This "fifth type" makes it a particular obsession of his life to speculate about what happens after you die that he does not enjoy actual life, the one we know for sure and don't need any proof that it exists.



Since you give me the advice on a regular basis, let me return the favour: why don't you kill yourself?

Personally it would make little difference on my end.

:p

Why should I? I am not the one who claims to be so certain regarding what happens after you kick the bucket, YOU are! Practice what you preach!

JDP
02-25-2018, 10:06 PM
I'll settle this
I'll Kill you or JDP or both
you'll get your answers

Count me out, I am not the one who claims to know what happens after you croak, but "Awani" claims he does, so your "offer" should not bother him!

Kibric
02-25-2018, 10:08 PM
Let's be friends. I always like making friends with people from a wide variety of trades and experience lol
yes its much better for your health to be my friend

Awani
02-25-2018, 10:23 PM
Sounds like a cheap cop-out. If whatever lies behind that "door" is so great, and you really think it's so sure it actually exists, then you should not waste your time here.

I asked before without a reply: are you 14 years old?

:p

JDP
02-25-2018, 11:58 PM
I asked before without a reply: are you 14 years old?

:p

Isn't that the question that anyone who claims that he knows for sure about such a "door" should be asking himself??? :)

Kibric
02-26-2018, 12:10 AM
God
you two should just screw and get it over with

Awani
02-26-2018, 12:10 AM
Isn't that the question that anyone who claims that he knows for sure about such a "door" should be asking himself??? :)

I just talked to God about you... not looking good... he called you a real cunt, but I did my best to calm him down and retract such words... I don't know about you, but that is not the way the Lord of the Universe should speak. Regardless I am 12 myself, and the reason I asked if you were 14 was because you seem so knowledgeable about everything, and so certain... kind of like a young Richard Dawkins.


God
you two should just screw and get it over with

God and Homosexuality in the same sentence. Not looking good for you either...

:p

JDP
02-26-2018, 01:01 AM
I just talked to God about you... not looking good... he called you a real cunt, but I did my best to calm him down and retract such words... I don't know about you, but that is not the way the Lord of the Universe should speak.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-X2z5iTUtBJM/V1832oE1CvI/AAAAAAAABLg/BvlujNqBluEJtXDyM-zjihwwnQ8nETk4QCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/I%2Btalk%2Bto%2Bgod%2Ball%2Bthe%2Btime.jpg