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03-02-2018, 02:56 AM
A fantastic text.
If only all texts were so clear and generous then there would be little trouble in our work.

Ive been attepting to translate this myself however Schmuldvich did make a good point.. I dont speak Italian!!

Is there per-chance an english copy afloat? Or perhaps, since it is such a short text, we might recieve a translation here from someone with the capacity?

Please and Thankyou. EM

03-02-2018, 03:04 AM
Alexbr and Alexfr speak fluent Italian and both seem totally down to help the Alchemy cause, so checking with one of them might be worth it!

Let me know if you get a English translation; I'm interested!

03-02-2018, 05:43 PM
I wonder why do you think that this text is fantastic, clear and generous if you don't speak Italian? :)

I did read it, this work is rather obscuring and doesn't help in understanding the works of alchemists. While on its own it might look clear (if not overly sophisticated), it doesn't help in shedding light on other works. It also feels very soulless, it sounds almost like some vulgar chemistry, and I think that works of alchemists were describing something, which have no scientific terms made for that. That's how I see it. I think there should be something more to it.

True Initiate
03-02-2018, 08:29 PM
Google translation is not so bad:

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The mystery will always be the first matter of the alchemists.

03-02-2018, 09:06 PM
The mystery will always be the first matterS of the alchemists.


03-02-2018, 09:19 PM
Ive been using google translate and have a rough idea what the text says. I was just hoping that someone with fluent italian skills could give me their impression on what the text says.

This is the grand opus and has nothing to do with other alchemical works. It is the ultimate work; and yes it does appear to suggest that the first matter is a composite of three seperste things. My personal opinion is that they are different types of salts. However; i could be totally wrong.

I know that one of the starting matters is SaltPetre, however, this could very well be talking about an ammoniacal salt found in "Our Sea".....

My biggest query is in what the starting matters are also.

03-02-2018, 09:52 PM
This is the grand opus and has nothing to do with other alchemical works.

Grand Opus = Magnum Opus = Great Work = the whole point of Alchemy

03-02-2018, 11:11 PM
imho hi Warmheart i agree with you
this text is not interesting this text is very generic and not deep there are not clear indication is only very general imho

03-03-2018, 12:17 AM
I found it very helpful, in that it is a clear symbolic representation of the entire opus. It also clearly defines the names of certain characters that pop up for those who didnt know.

Im not sure exactly why you dont absolutely love it, but thats okay we all have different tastes

03-03-2018, 12:37 AM
hi elisirmixer
I - we work and study research and experiment with priority on texts and manuscripts operational RC and as always I say interesting things serious and explicit or at least quite explicit and truly operational I - we know well who did it and it is one that we consider an incapable and one who plays only with smoky and not with the roast

my best regard
hi elisirmixer
io -noi lavoro studio e ricerco e sperimento su in priorita su testi e manoscritti RC operativi e a noi come sempre dico interessano cose serie ed esplicite o quanto meno abbastanza esplicite e veramente operative io noi conosco chi lo ha fatto ed uno che riteniamo un incapace e uno che gioca solo col fumoso e niente arrosto

True Initiate
03-03-2018, 01:15 AM
we work and study research and experiment with priority on texts and manuscripts operational RC

You always talk about RC manuscripts but what they do contain? Standard recipes of their time, nothing more.

03-03-2018, 02:29 AM
hi tp with all due respect but your opinions are not substantiated I know well how you think about the rc of gold and about federico gualdi etc but with all due respect is not our fault if the precious various manuscripts texts and rc degrees you do not know them read and understand therefore all your opinions that you can quietly cradle and hold flowers of highly qualified scholars and researchers much more than I example the friend biographer of the ritmam bibliotec carlo gllly the friend writer machintosh the friend writer j for giudicelli of tresac of the bacellerie as well as the various texts on degrees rosa croce thesauro thesaurorum federico gualdi of our writer alessandro boella on rctesti degrees and manuscripts rc thesauro rc etc and gualdi all books all coming from our research and created by documents from our archive nb boella ex our partner he was one of our first founders (who now is attached to money and now expelled from us) all these important writers and researchers on the manuscs ritti etc and texts and rc degrees that you do not know how even you not seeing you have read on all these precious texts and manuscripts rc thesauro thoeltius ecstasy secret of federico gualdi manuscript rc aleph manuscript of the alchemy of solar arcana divine etc etc all without distinction these important and accredited writers and researchers along with other equally qualified motions all indistinctly on rc and their operativity and rc degrees think differently from you read their texts and not my opinions and maybe you see a little more
so on the gold rc and their operativita are all your opinions that respect but in good company absolutely do not agree
opinions on which I am not the least interested in discussing them, keep them all pure to us they do not concern sin that you have in hand real treasures and you do not know them but this is not our problem but yours


hi tp con tutto il dovuto rispetto ma sono le tue opinioni non suffragate lo so bene come la pensi sui rc d'oro e gualdi ma con tutto il rispetto non mica colpa nostra se i preziosi vari manoscritti testi e gradi rc non li sai ne leggere ne capire dunque tutte opinioni tue che ti puoi tranquillamente cullare e tenere fior fiore di studiosi e ricercatori altamente qualificati molto piu di me esempio l'amico biografo della ritmam bibliotec carlo gllly l'amico scrittore machintosh l'amico scrittore j per giudicelli di tresac della bacellerie nonche i vari testi su gradi rosa croce thesauro thesaurorum federico gualdi del nostro scrittore di alessandro boella su gradi rctesti e manoscritti rc thesauro rc etc e gualdi tutti libri tutti provenienti da ricerche nostre e creati da documenti del nostro archivio nb boella ex nostro socio era uno dei nostri primi fondatori (che ora per attaccamento al denaro e stato da noi ora espulso) tutti questi importanti scrittori e ricercatori sui manoscritti etc e testi e gradi rc che non si sa come anche tu non vedendo hai letto su tutti questi preziosi testi e manoscritti rc il thesauro il thoeltius estasi segrete di federico gualdi il manoscritto rc aleph il manoscritto dell'alchimia solare dell'arcana divina etc etc tutti indistintamente questi importanti ed accreditati scrittori e ricercatori assieme a moti altri altrettanto qualificati tutti indistintamente su rc e loro operativita e gradi rc la pensano ben diversa da te leggiti i loro testi e non le mie opinioni e magari ci vedi qualcosina di piu
dunque sui rc d'oro e loro operativita sono tutte tue opinioni che rispetto ma in ottima compagnia assolutamente non condivido
opinioni su cui non sono minimamente interessato a discuterne tienitele tutte pure a noi non interessano peccato che hai in mano dei veri tesori e non li sai capire ma questo non un problema nostro ma tuo

03-23-2018, 07:51 AM
I can not for the life of me remember where i got the beautifully illustrated version of this text. I've lost it. Anyone got a link on hand?