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black
03-10-2018, 03:21 AM
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The Hermit is one name that he is recognized by, but I'm starting to think
that he has several others :

Saturn, Cronos, , Father Time, Angel of Death and The Grim Reaper
are just a few that come to mind.

Many, many years ago before I knew anything about alchemy and weird
stuff ... I met with this charming character a few times via NDE's
(near death experiences).

I get the feeing that about now JDP is rolling around on the floor with tears of
laughter streaming down his cheeks. And that's' ok because before this stuff
happened I would have laughed it off also.
I feel I should mention at this point that prior to these NDE's my view of death
was that everything about me wound be totally finished and the body become
worm food.
To me there was no God, no heaven, no hell, no religion, no eternity, no coming back 5687 times to work things out .... No, just plain old dead and gone.


The first time I met him (The Hermit) I was struck by a vehicle travelling at
over 100 mph.

He (The Hermit) was standing at the end of the long, dark tunnel in front of the entrance to the white light, he had a white monks habit on and held a lantern with his left hand,
his cowl was down and his grey bearded face was very visible.

We spoke for some time approx 20 minutes and then I returned back to this
world.... surprised to find myself still in full flight after the initial impact.

When I finally hit the road, stopped rolling and sliding along, I stood up and walked
to the side of the road ......uninjured with only a little bruising and gravel rash.
Unfortunately the driver of the vehicle had multiple injuries and spent several
months in hospital.

The second time we met was when The Hermit came to this world to give me very
specific directions that would alter my coarse over the next few hours and avoid an imminent death.

The old saying about death and taxes ... there is no escaping it ...but that bit of
guidance that was given to me has allowed me 30 plus years so far.

With those extra years I can now see a vast spectrum of possibilities that my eyes
were closed to before.

I have often pondered why this Grim Reaper would come to my assistance in a
life threatening situation.

I can only imagine that the Angel of Death may also be the Angel of Mercy.

If anyone has had an experience with The Hermit or any insights about him I
would be very interested to hear.

zoas23
03-10-2018, 04:05 AM
Since you are mostly bringing the Hermit of Tarot, then your interpretation is correct.

When Tarot began to be incorporated into Hermeticism (which is quite recently actually... with Eliphas Levi), three cards of the Major Arcana became instantly correlated to the famous three grades which have been given many names across history (i.e, the Christian Gnostics called them "Hylics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hylics)", "Psychics" and "Pneumatics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumatic_(Gnosticism))" -and sometimes "Gnostics" instead of "Pneumatics").
Though such thing means something similar to "materialists", "soulists", and "spiritists"...

(Soul and Spirit are a mess in our languages and quite often they get interchanged*, but they meant Psyche and Nous/Pneuma... which is by far more clear)

* i.e, for some authors the "Spirit" means for what other authors the "Soul" means and viceversa, even if the problem is the terms, because they mean the same thing...

So they are the card of the Magician to represent the Hylic, the card of the Hierophant to represent the Psychics (not "Psychics" as in "fortune tellers", but those who have contact with the Psyche/soul)... and the Hermit for the Pneumatics/Gnostics.

Not much more to say, except a "Yes, I agree with you".

JDP
03-10-2018, 04:44 AM
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The Hermit is one name that he is recognized by, but I'm starting to think
that he has several others :

Saturn, Cronos, , Father Time, Angel of Death and The Grim Reaper
are just a few that come to mind.

Many, many years ago before I knew anything about alchemy and weird
stuff ... I met with this charming character a few times via NDE's
(near death experiences).

I get the feeing that about now JDP is rolling around on the floor with tears of
laughter streaming down his cheeks. And that's' ok because before this stuff
happened I would have laughed it off also.
I feel I should mention at this point that prior to these NDE's my view of death
was that everything about me wound be totally finished and the body become
worm food.
To me there was no God, no heaven, no hell, no religion, no eternity, no coming back 5687 times to work things out .... No, just plain old dead and gone.


The first time I met him (The Hermit) I was struck by a vehicle travelling at
over 100 mph.

He (The Hermit) was standing at the end of the long, dark tunnel in front of the entrance to the white light, he had a white monks habit on and held a lantern with his left hand,
his cowl was down and his grey bearded face was very visible.

We spoke for some time approx 20 minutes and then I returned back to this
world.... surprised to find myself still in full flight after the initial impact.

When I finally hit the road, stopped rolling and sliding along, I stood up and walked
to the side of the road ......uninjured with only a little bruising and gravel rash.
Unfortunately the driver of the vehicle had multiple injuries and spent several
months in hospital.

The second time we met was when The Hermit came to this world to give me very
specific directions that would alter my coarse over the next few hours and avoid an imminent death.

The old saying about death and taxes ... there is no escaping it ...but that bit of
guidance that was given to me has allowed me 30 plus years so far.

With those extra years I can now see a vast spectrum of possibilities that my eyes
were closed to before.

I have often pondered why this Grim Reaper would come to my assistance in a
life threatening situation.

I can only imagine that the Angel of Death may also be the Angel of Mercy.

If anyone has had an experience with The Hermit or any insights about him I
would be very interested to hear.

http://i.imgur.com/8PsTGAg.gif

Kibric
03-10-2018, 06:26 AM
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/images/flamel1.gif
This guy ?

He seemed to my small judgment, to be the God Mercury of the Pagans: against him there came running and flying with open wings, a great old man, who upon his head had an hour-glass fastened, and in his hand a hook (or scythe) like Death, with the which, in terrible and furious manner, he would have cut off the feet of Mercury.
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?5461-Scythe-and-Legs
http://www.hermitary.com/lore/tarot-art-hermit.html
Hephaestus ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus

zoas23
03-10-2018, 06:56 AM
Maier does a good job in his Atalanta Fugiens.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/M.Maier._Atalanta_Fugiens._1618._Emblem_XLII.JPG/644px-M.Maier._Atalanta_Fugiens._1618._Emblem_XLII.JPG

Epigraph 42:

Nature, Reason, Experience and Reading must be the Guide, Staff, Spectacles and Lamp to him that is employed in Chemical Affairs.

Discourse 42:

There are innumerable accidents which may happen to Travellers, especially if they are to walk in the night time through dangerous and slippery places. But besides Provisions and Strength of Body, there are four things that are extremely necessary: In the first place a Skilful Guide or Companion, for if the ignorant lead the ignorant it may happen either as to the Blind that they may both fall into the Ditch, or at least they both may run into difficulties and Errors. In the next place, a Staff, by which a Remedy may be provided against the slipperiness of the way. Thirdly, good eyes, for else the way is almost as dangerous to those that are dim-sighted as to the blind. Fourthly, a Lamp or lighted Torch, by which several obstacles may be avoided, so that if any Person applies himself to the search of the Philosophical Medicine, besides strength of Body, and Money sufficient for his expenses, there are four other things requisite, to wit: Nature, Reason, Experience and Reading; for if any of these are wanting the others will be of little prevalence. For these are the four Wheels of the Philosophical Chariot, for which one of them cannot be wanting, and if it be left out it avails nothing.

Nature presupposes Natural Bodies; and Spirits as the Subjects; first ministered by Nature, upon which Art may afterwards exert itself by Preparing, Purifying, and rendering them Capable of having that produced from them, which Art proposes for its end. So the Potter takes Earth and Water; the Glassmaker ashes and Sand; a Smith Iron, Brass, Lead, Tin, Copper, Silver and Gold; a Tanner raw Hides; and so other Artists take other things.

The Chemist has regard to his Materials; theirs are known to them the very first day, but when he Begins, his are utterly unknown to him for many years, and perhaps for his whole life. Nature does indeed lay its finger upon the matters; but there are many things which obscure the impression of Nature, that it cannot be known.

Therefore the first intention must be to intimately contemplate Nature and to see how she proceeds in her operations, to this end that the natural Subjects of Chemistry, without defect or superfluity may be attained to. From whence let Nature be thy Guide and Companion of so great a journey, and follow her Footsteps. In the next place, let Reason be like a Staff which may keep the feet steady and Firm, that they may not slip nor Waver; for without reasoning, any person will be apt to fall into Error. Whence the Philosophers say, " Whatever you hear, reason upon it, whether it can be so or no. "

For no man is forced to believe or Act Impossibilities, unless he be of a Weak memory, Dull genius, and foolish Imagination to impose upon himself by taking false thing for True, and rejecting true things as False. They say likewise that they take no care of the Words that are said, but rather of the Things as they may be Understood; and that words are for Things, and not things for Words. As for example, if any man should ask if Glass may be made malleable by the Philosophical Tincture? Well, why should I not believe it, provided reason vitiates it?

Thirdly, Experience will be as spectacles by which things may be seen at a distance. These are Optic instruments invented and made by Art, to help and amend the weakness of men’s eyes. Not unlike these are all Experiments of every kind, that have been tried about the Mineral matter, whether seen or truly related, and the more these remain in the Memory the more will be drawn from thence by a man of Reason, who will compare them with themselves, and other things, that he may see what is truth, and what is not.

Fourthly, Reading does as it were, kindle a clear Lamp in the Understanding, without which there will everywhere be darkness and Thick Clouds. But the reading of Good Authors ought to be often repeated, otherwise it will not be profitable.

Kenar Bacassar in the Turba saith, " He therefore that is of an even Temper and exercises Patience without regret, will go in the right path of this Art. But he that thinks himself able sooner to reap benefit from our Books, is deceived, and it had been better for him not to have looked into or touched them.

Awani
03-11-2018, 01:20 AM
And that's' ok because before this stuff happened I would have laughed it off also.

Exactly.


We spoke for some time approx 20 minutes and then I returned back to this world...

Excuse me... you cannot brush over this so easily. If you spoke for 20 minutes... tell us more...


If anyone has had an experience with The Hermit or any insights about him I would be very interested to hear.

Hard to say, you have to give us a better idea of what this individual was like, what "he" said etc etc. Because "your" Hermit might differ... I mean Jesus could look like the Hermit. I have seen an female with a staff and a lantern (like in one of your hermit photos) during my Bwiti initiation... her name was Awani i.e. my name. Was that The Hermit? I don't know, never thought that it could be...

You should tell us more... :)

:p

Kiorionis
03-11-2018, 02:32 AM
I agree with Awani, it is a very interesting story :)

elixirmixer
03-11-2018, 03:21 AM
My favourite part is the 20-minute time-lapse in mid air. Very cool. Its interesting how you associated the hermit with Saturn/Time, and that he appeared to have the ability to warp time around you.

black
03-11-2018, 07:07 AM
@ zoas 23

Thank you zoas for this piece from Maier, a very good read.
This is the type of help we all need in pursuing the Great Work.


@ Kibric

This guy ?....Yes this appears to be one of his many faces.

The Old Man....clipping cupids wings.

http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag282/blackbecomeswhite/6854049_orig_zps8znmz6gs.jpg (http://s1371.photobucket.com/user/blackbecomeswhite/media/6854049_orig_zps8znmz6gs.jpg.html)

black
03-11-2018, 07:18 AM
Excuse me... you cannot brush over this so easily. If you spoke for 20 minutes... tell us more...

Hard to say, you have to give us a better idea of what this individual was like, what "he" said etc etc. Because "your" Hermit might differ... I mean Jesus could look like the Hermit. I have seen an female with a staff and a lantern (like in one of your hermit photos) during my Bwiti initiation... her name was Awani i.e. my name. Was that The Hermit? I don't know, never thought that it could be...

You should tell us more... :)

:p


Most of that time we were talking about my life experience and how I felt
about it.

The feeling there was euphoric and to continue into the light would have
been so very easy but because of family I chose to return to this reality.

Upon explaining this to The Hermit he said something along the line of
"Ok, no worries, see you later".

And you are correct..... The Hermit that I talked with could also be Jesus,
Arch Angel Mikael, Melchezedek, Saint Peter or it could have been
some badass alien collecting souls to sell on the black soul market ???

Perhaps he has many faces.... I don't know.
And as to why he would choose to look like The Hermit to me at those
times we met I have no idea as at that period in m life I had no knowledge
of The Hermit at all.

But whoever he is I still thank him for appearing out of thin air to assist
me through dire straights several years after the first meeting.

I have a feeling this story is not over yet.

black
03-11-2018, 07:19 AM
My favourite part is the 20-minute time-lapse in mid air. Very cool. Its interesting how you associated the hermit with Saturn/Time, and that he appeared to have the ability to warp time around you.

Hi Mr. Mixer

I have this feeling that there is "no time" there.

black
03-11-2018, 11:10 AM
Hi JDP

If you met this guy one night on a dark and lonely road, you probably
wouldn't be laughing so hard .... or maybe you would ?

http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag282/blackbecomeswhite/42d7b8406de9d0640ec811c06e70db2a--angel-of-death-the-angel_zpsdd61co9m.jpg (http://s1371.photobucket.com/user/blackbecomeswhite/media/42d7b8406de9d0640ec811c06e70db2a--angel-of-death-the-angel_zpsdd61co9m.jpg.html)

Seth-Ra
03-11-2018, 11:23 AM
Yes this appears to be one of his many faces.


Perhaps he has many faces.... I don't know.

Reminds me of this being, from the fictional Game of Thrones universe, which no doubt has its inspirations from our actual varying myths/religions. ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaZA6ik2ESk&t=1s

elixirmixer
03-11-2018, 11:38 AM
Hi Mr. Mixer

I have this feeling that there is "no time" there.

Ive heard there is no time here. Only a loss of inertia expressed in a procestional toroidal hyperbaloid, or magnetism.

black
03-11-2018, 12:01 PM
Thanks Seth-Ra

This video stirs the thoughts into many possibilities .... or perhaps just one.

But where do we find the ANSWERS ? .... where do we find the TRUTH ?

My understanding is that we suffer from a limited consciousness.

I live in hope that Alchemy can give us more than just gold and a panacea,
these are of small value compared to wisdom/truth.

I think it was the Great Alchemist King Solomon that had something to
say about that.

black
03-11-2018, 12:11 PM
Ive heard there is no time here. Only a loss of inertia expressed in a procestional toroidal hyperbaloid, or magnetism.

A spirit once told me that we can step out of time perpendicular to the illusion
of linear time .... a bit like stepping off of a merry go round and running forwards
or backwards as the merry go round continues at its same speed.

Andro
03-11-2018, 12:31 PM
But where do we find the ANSWERS ?

There are no answers, only replies - or more questions in disguise. On my own website, I changed the title of the Q&A page to Q&R.


.... where do we find the TRUTH ?

"Truth" can not be found, and even less can it be spoken. Truth can only be "been".


My understanding is that we suffer from a limited consciousness.

My understanding is that our limitless consciousness suffers from an intoxication with useless crap/complexities/superfluities.


I think it was the Great Alchemist King Solomon that had something to say about that.Quoth Solomon:


I reflected on everything that is accomplished by man on earth, and I concluded: Everything he has accomplished is futile — like chasing the wind!We are "Aqua Permanens", the permanent water, but this water turns muddy and toxic because of all the dissolved crap it acquires along the way. On top of that, we also tend to identify with the shapes of the vessels that we (as the permanent water) occupy at any given "time", thus further inhibiting our Knowing of what is (as opposed to what appears to be).

The vessels of "identity" must be discarded, and the dissolved crap must be either left behind via the fires of rectification, or its foul nature be transmuted into the nature of Aqua Permanens :)

black
03-11-2018, 01:27 PM
Hello Mr. Andro

Much thought I will have to give to what you have brought to the table.

It sounds like we need a good dose of Alchemical flocculating agent to help
clear our waters.

This sentence that you wrote does have a certain alchemic ring to it, " The vessels of "identity" must be discarded, and the dissolved crap must be either left behind via the fires of rectification, or its foul nature be transmuted into the nature of Aqua Permanens".

Sometimes I'm deeply moved by some alchemic writings .... almost to tears.

Do you ever find the feeling of truth in a piece of Alchemic prose/verse ?

Ghislain
03-11-2018, 02:43 PM
A spirit once told me that we can step out of time perpendicular to the illusion
of linear time .... a bit like stepping off of a merry go round and running forwards
or backwards as the merry go round continues at its same speed.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTg2ODQwNTUyNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNjI3NDEyMQ@@._ V1_.jpg

Source: (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061034/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl)

Ghislain

black
03-11-2018, 04:09 PM
Yes Ghislain perhaps that's what he meant .... just leave this world
and you exit linear time.:D

JDP
03-11-2018, 05:58 PM
Hi JDP

If you met this guy one night on a dark and lonely road, you probably
wouldn't be laughing so hard .... or maybe you would ?

http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag282/blackbecomeswhite/42d7b8406de9d0640ec811c06e70db2a--angel-of-death-the-angel_zpsdd61co9m.jpg (http://s1371.photobucket.com/user/blackbecomeswhite/media/42d7b8406de9d0640ec811c06e70db2a--angel-of-death-the-angel_zpsdd61co9m.jpg.html)

No, but my immediate impression would be that it is just some joker trying to scare the heck out of people by wearing a creepy disguise, which is way more plausible than actually thinking this "guy" really exists, don't you think?

By the way, I saw your "Hermit" too. Really, I did. His name is Jimmy Page, look!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIHe3U3uSzw

http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag282/blackbecomeswhite/9-Hermit.jpg.pagespeed.ce.tuENpbGktk_zps7lgsgege.jpg

Awani
03-11-2018, 06:56 PM
...way more plausible than actually thinking this "guy" really exists, don't you think?

You are saying that an experience someone else had was not real, or imagined?

In that case you must have imagined you have a brain. Same kind of argument.

:p

black
03-12-2018, 12:54 AM
No, but my immediate impression would be that it is just some joker trying to scare the heck out of people by wearing a creepy disguise, which is way more plausible than actually thinking this "guy" really exists, don't you think?

Hi JDP

Yes WAY, WAY more plausible than thinking that this guy actually exists.

As you have spent many years (I assume) convincing yourself through empirical
experiments in your lab finding the truth that transmutation is real, I spent many years trying to prove that this weird stuff is only made up by weak minded idiots or those with serious drug problems or the religious that need something to believe in that will save them from hell and they can live happily ever after in a glorious heaven.

But the more I poked that hornets nest the more I got stung, continuing to tumble
deeper down that rabbit hole.
Buckle your seatbelt Dorothy, 'cause Kansas is going bye-bye!" How very appropriate.

It appears there is so much more around us, taking some time to explore new vistas can be very challenging but may open amazing new revelations that we never believed possible .... as with your chymistry.

To transmute lead into gold would be a Great Work but to be able to manifest a single apple seed would be a Devine Work.

Do you think this could be possible ?

JDP
03-12-2018, 02:40 AM
Hi JDP

Yes WAY, WAY more plausible than thinking that this guy actually exists.

As you have spent many years (I assume) convincing yourself through empirical
experiments in your lab finding the truth that transmutation is real, I spent many years trying to prove that this weird stuff is only made up by weak minded idiots or those with serious drug problems or the religious that need something to believe in that will save them from hell and they can live happily ever after in a glorious heaven.

But the more I poked that hornets nest the more I got stung, continuing to tumble
deeper down that rabbit hole.
Buckle your seatbelt Dorothy, 'cause Kansas is going bye-bye!" How very appropriate.

It appears there is so much more around us, taking some time to explore new vistas can be very challenging but may open amazing new revelations that we never believed possible .... as with your chymistry.

To transmute lead into gold would be a Great Work but to be able to manifest a single apple seed would be a Devine Work.

Do you think this could be possible ?

No, and there is also no comparison between the two scenarios: chymistry can be researched through known methods, the weird "stuff" can't. The results of chymistry can be replicated by anyone, the weird "stuff" can't. Chymistry happens in the real world, independent of what we think of it, the weird "stuff" only happens inside some people's heads. Chymistry can be proven, the weird "stuff" can't.

PS: Jimmy Page called; he wants his staff and lamp back.

http://www.centrosangiorgio.com/rock_satanico/articoli/immagini/page_hermit.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Nttd5OPfi94/VjgmeqA4DjI/AAAAAAABNPU/Q6AyVBzDKa0/s1600/wish%2Bd.gif

black
03-12-2018, 06:49 AM
No, and there is also no comparison between the two scenarios: chymistry can be researched through known methods, the weird "stuff" can't. The results of chymistry can be replicated by anyone, the weird "stuff" can't. Chymistry happens in the real world, independent of what we think of it, the weird "stuff" only happens inside some people's heads. Chymistry can be proven, the weird "stuff" can't.

PS: Jimmy Page called; he wants his staff and lamp back.


I beg to differ and would try to assist anyone in these occult areas that the majority of
people are deeply afraid to venture into .... sometimes with good reason.

Just as many are afraid to venture into the study and practice of chymistry, it also
can present with many dangers as you well know.

The big question is can the rewards out way the dangers ???

So often it is heart rendering to see a brilliant mind wasting away on common/trivial
pursuits when with a little tutoring in the right direction that same person could
possibly be able to transmute on a Grand Scale or possibly even on a Devine Scale.

But on the other hand .... daily we hear the cry "DON'T SEND YOUR DUCKS TO
EAGLE SCHOOL."

We have the natural world, the preternatural world and the supernatural world
from what you are implying it appears you have only been privy to the natural world.

The Occult can also be researched through known methods, but as with anything of value it takes time and a dedication to the study and practice of it.

The supernatural/occult sciences can be studied and mastered just like the natural
sciences but if we are ignorant of such sciences then we will learn nothing of them
and remain only masters of our own ignorance.


But I must confess that I could be wrong about this .....

PS: You very funny man Mr. JDP :)

Awani
03-12-2018, 07:58 AM
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_paradox (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_paradox)

The raven paradox is a paradox arising from the question of what constitutes evidence for a statement. Observing objects that are neither black nor ravens may formally increase the likelihood that all ravens are black even though, intuitively, these observations are unrelated.

––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––

Lack of proof is not proof.

Mothers do not have a connection with the baby in the stomach, because I have never had that experience (and I never will)... so it must me mumbo-jumbo.


But I must confess that I could be wrong about this...

Yes, you could be. JDP would never confess he could be. There you have the difference between an open mind and a narrow one.

Direct experience is the most solid evidence we can have, in my opinion. For now I go with that.

:p

Ghislain
03-12-2018, 11:23 AM
But on the other hand .... daily we hear the cry "DON'T SEND YOUR DUCKS TO
EAGLE SCHOOL."


Matthew 7:6 in Jesus's Sermon on the Mount: "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."

Ghislain

black
03-13-2018, 02:23 AM
Matthew 7:6 in Jesus's Sermon on the Mount: "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."

Ghislain

Thanks Ghislain

Do you think this could be a Pearl.

http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag282/blackbecomeswhite/saturn%20clipping%20the%20wings%20of%20cupid_zps7z lz5ksr.jpg (http://s1371.photobucket.com/user/blackbecomeswhite/media/saturn%20clipping%20the%20wings%20of%20cupid_zps7z lz5ksr.jpg.html)

Warmheart
03-13-2018, 09:40 AM
From how I see it, that being could be the Genius of Earth, whom some Abrahamic religions sometimes falsely call as God (sometimes as Devil, being the mess those Abrahamic religions are).

I don't think it has anything to do with Saturn, just because both of them can appear old and grim, it doesn't mean they are the same.

I also don't think that it is appropriate to put Hermit in the mix here. From my researches it seems that Tarot's Hermit Arcane is just a heavily messed up symbolism of highly important Mysteries which are hinted in some works, for example, in the works of Eugenius Philalethes (I think he was mentioning it in his Magia Adamica).

I think it is possible to totally avoid Genius of Earth, and that is one of the stages of true Magic Art.

Florius Frammel
03-13-2018, 11:58 AM
According to Jung it is the archetype of the old wise man, which is besides the shadow, the anima and the trickster one of the most important archetypes.
The bipolar gnostic/hermetic tradition usually see two sides, so there are two sides of the old wise man.

Ulmannus, the author of the alchemical book "Buch der heiligen Dreifaltigkeit" is an extreme example of these to sides. He shows two hermaphrodites (which in itself are symbols of the bipolarity). One is good, one is bad.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/Symbolism_Two_Hermaphrodites_Basle.jpg

Examples in pop culture are Gandalf (and the opposite Saruman), Obi Wan, Doctor Emmet Brown, Dumbledore, amo..

black
03-14-2018, 01:11 AM
From how I see it, that being could be the Genius of Earth, whom some Abrahamic religions sometimes falsely call as God (sometimes as Devil, being the mess those Abrahamic religions are).

I don't think it has anything to do with Saturn, just because both of them can appear old and grim, it doesn't mean they are the same.

I also don't think that it is appropriate to put Hermit in the mix here. From my researches it seems that Tarot's Hermit Arcane is just a heavily messed up symbolism of highly important Mysteries which are hinted in some works, for example, in the works of Eugenius Philalethes (I think he was mentioning it in his Magia Adamica).

I think it is possible to totally avoid Genius of Earth, and that is one of the stages of true Magic Art.

Thank you for your view Warmheart.

Where can I find out more about this Genius of Earth ?

black
03-14-2018, 01:12 AM
According to Jung it is the archetype of the old wise man, which is besides the shadow, the anima and the trickster one of the most important archetypes.
The bipolar gnostic/hermetic tradition usually see two sides, so there are two sides of the old wise man.

Ulmannus, the author of the alchemical book "Buch der heiligen Dreifaltigkeit" is an extreme example of these to sides. He shows two hermaphrodites (which in itself are symbols of the bipolarity). One is good, one is bad.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/Symbolism_Two_Hermaphrodites_Basle.jpg

Examples in pop culture are Gandalf (and the opposite Saruman), Obi Wan, Doctor Emmet Brown, Dumbledore, amo..

Thanks Florius

Yes he felt like the Wise Old Man, I'm glad I only saw his good side.

Warmheart
03-14-2018, 06:04 AM
Thank you for your view Warmheart.

Where can I find out more about this Genius of Earth ?
I am not sure that such info is widely available. I learnt it from my own experience and interacting with some wise men and closed circles of practitioners.

Each Planet has its Genius, that is well known in Western Traditions, however, they keep neglecting Genius of Earth. I think it is caused by gradual degradation of Ancient Knowledge into religion and blind faith, and this is one of the reasons why such info is very rare.

Remnants of knowledge of Genius of Earth is reflected in shades of some cults, for example, those which worshiped Yehova, Kernunnos, Herny, Lucifer, etc. I am not talking about modern deviations of those cults, which are mostly wild perversions or, in best case, just empty shells devoid of any sense.

I also don't think that Genius of Earth has any direct connection with Alchemy and Alchemical symbolism. I am also not sure it can be connected with any kind of hermaphrodite (which I think is just a symbol of something else, so it can't be "good", "bad", etc.), which is also not really connected with Saturn, well... neither of them are actually connected.

elixirmixer
03-14-2018, 08:54 AM
Hi JDP

Yes WAY, WAY more plausible than thinking that this guy actually exists.

As you have spent many years (I assume) convincing yourself through empirical
experiments in your lab finding the truth that transmutation is real, I spent many years trying to prove that this weird stuff is only made up by weak minded idiots or those with serious drug problems or the religious that need something to believe in that will save them from hell and they can live happily ever after in a glorious heaven.

But the more I poked that hornets nest the more I got stung, continuing to tumble
deeper down that rabbit hole.
Buckle your seatbelt Dorothy, 'cause Kansas is going bye-bye!" How very appropriate.

It appears there is so much more around us, taking some time to explore new vistas can be very challenging but may open amazing new revelations that we never believed possible .... as with your chymistry.

To transmute lead into gold would be a Great Work but to be able to manifest a single apple seed would be a Devine Work.

Do you think this could be possible ?

Your a legend! :D:D:D

:cool:

black
03-14-2018, 11:56 AM
I am not sure that such info is widely available. I learnt it from my own experience and interacting with some wise men and closed circles of practitioners.

Each Planet has its Genius, that is well known in Western Traditions, however, they keep neglecting Genius of Earth. I think it is caused by gradual degradation of Ancient Knowledge into religion and blind faith, and this is one of the reasons why such info is very rare.

Remnants of knowledge of Genius of Earth is reflected in shades of some cults, for example, those which worshiped Yehova, Kernunnos, Herny, Lucifer, etc. I am not talking about modern deviations of those cults, which are mostly wild perversions or, in best case, just empty shells devoid of any sense.

I also don't think that Genius of Earth has any direct connection with Alchemy and Alchemical symbolism. I am also not sure it can be connected with any kind of hermaphrodite (which I think is just a symbol of something else, so it can't be "good", "bad", etc.), which is also not really connected with Saturn, well... neither of them are actually connected.

I've been contemplating on what you wrote about the Genius of the Earth.
I must agree that this Genius is not The Hermit that I have seen.

But if you view the Genius of the Earth as a celestial body then it may have
a relationship to Saturn IMHO.

Genius of the Earth also makes me think of Genie in a bottle.

http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag282/blackbecomeswhite/the_genie_of_the_lamp_by_nenadxbar-d5h7lgj_zps6pvvkbps.jpg (http://s1371.photobucket.com/user/blackbecomeswhite/media/the_genie_of_the_lamp_by_nenadxbar-d5h7lgj_zps6pvvkbps.jpg.html)

Do you think there could be a correlation between the two ?

Luxus
03-14-2018, 12:13 PM
I equate Saturn with being a malevolent being, actually I think Saturn and Satan are one and the same.

The hermit I think is the potential which slumbers in everyone, it is your higher self or what many are calling "knowledge and conversation with the holy guardian angel" something akin to the Zoroastrian Fravashis.

black
03-14-2018, 12:31 PM
I equate Saturn with being a malevolent being, actually I think Saturn and Satan are one and the same.

The hermit I think is the potential which slumbers in everyone, it is your higher self or what many are calling "knowledge and conversation with the holy guardian angel" something akin to the Zoroastrian Fravashis.

Hi Luxus

I like this line of thought about this Hermit being a Higher Self or a
Holy Guardian Angel, this sits well with me.


Some years after the last meeting with The Hermit/Entity a spirit medium in trance
began talking to me about this entity and clearly new about my encounters with him.

I was quite surprised at being confronted with this, I was at a meeting/sťance with
many people and as it had finished everyone was leaving the room.

It was then that this spirit medium (still in trance) called out to me to come back and sit with him.
He continued with something about this entity being called Two Tapper or He who knocks twice (I can't remember this very clearly).... and that He is always there for me.

I had never met this medium before and he didn't ask me any questions.

Being with him (The Hermit/Entity) felt so comfortable as if he was an old friend or family.

black
03-14-2018, 01:03 PM
Your a legend! :D:D:D

:cool:

Back at ya .... Mr. Mixer :D

You have inspired me to do some Lab Work.

Coming soon ..... but don't hold your breath.

Luxus
03-14-2018, 01:39 PM
I believe in the ancestors also for example I am from an Irish background and I know my ancestors were Druids, I also know some of these Druids accomplished Imbas (enlightenment) and that they are spiritual masters. I am linked to them by blood and you Mr black are linked to your ancestors by your blood so it is entirely possible you met one of your enlightened ancestors who has taken an interest in you.

Ghislain
03-14-2018, 03:23 PM
The results of chymistry can be replicated by anyone, the weird "stuff" can't.

So anything on film must be real then as anyone with medium to store and play it can reproduce it.

Dmitri Mendeleev predicted some properties of unidentified elements that were expected to fill gaps within the periodic table of elements when no one could prove their existence. Most of his forecasts proved to be correct.

The weird stuff just hasn't been proved yet. Keep an open mind.

Ghislain

JDP
03-14-2018, 05:34 PM
So anything on film must be real then as anyone with medium to store and play it can reproduce it.

Dmitri Mendeleev predicted some properties of unidentified elements that were expected to fill gaps within the periodic table of elements when no one could prove their existence. Most of his forecasts proved to be correct.

The weird stuff just hasn't been proved yet. Keep an open mind.

Ghislain

False analogy: the film itself and its contents are indeed very real, what is portrayed in them is a different thing, though, as it can just be fiction stories that never really happened.

Operative word here being "most", because his "predictions" also had flops. "Predictions" = hit-or-miss

Awani
03-15-2018, 12:23 AM
So anything on film must be real then as anyone with medium to store and play it can reproduce it.

Especially snuff films.

:p

black
03-15-2018, 03:19 AM
I believe in the ancestors also for example I am from an Irish background and I know my ancestors were Druids, I also know some of these Druids accomplished Imbas (enlightenment) and that they are spiritual masters. I am linked to them by blood and you Mr black are linked to your ancestors by your blood so it is entirely possible you met one of your enlightened ancestors who has taken an interest in you.

How very true this could be Mr. Luxus.

For many years after my encounters with this Hermit a part of me tried to forget about it and erase all of these thoughts from my memory (maybe this was pure fear of the unknown) ?

It was an invite to sit in on a sťance with a few people using an
Ouija Board that brought it all flooding back and started me on
this journey of awakening the possibilities that my mind had been
so closed to before.

My only wish is that JDP could have been on this journey also,
it would have shaken him to the core as it did me.

The information coming through this board about me was frightening
as I had only just met these people and none of them knew anything
about me. My over logical mind had me thinking that maybe my
brain waves were transmitting to the glass or travelling down my
arm to the glass.

So I took myself away from the table and sat on the couch at the other end of the room continuing to ask questions of the entity they were communicating with.

The answers still came through crystal clear and true.

For me there was no Other Side, no Talking to Dead People, Spirits
or out of this world weird stuff Entities .... So you can imagine by
now I'm getting more than a little bit rattled.

A couple of good stiff shots of whisky helped me through my
uneasiness with this huge life/mind shift I was experiencing.

Anyway to cut a very long story short about this amazingly magic
adventure ... I had a visit one night from a spirit that had the same
name as my father (first and last name) I said to him (the spirit)
that can't be so my dads still alive and I just spoke to him on the phone.

He answered explaining that he was my fathers Scottish grandfather
and that he just dropped in to see how I was going. My dad knew
nothing at all about his paternal grandfather.

This old guy gave me a lot of information that I was able to empirically verify through the appropriate records, about him and other things.

So yes Mr. Luxus blood line or soul line there are some very interesting connections.

Aspiring Alkemist
08-07-2018, 07:37 AM
Frankly I consider the hermit to be a much more literal archetype than that expressed in the OP, but the wonder of the occult/alchemical world and its symbolism and archetypes is that they can represent different things depending on which angle your looking at them from.

For me the hermit has is and always will be the archetype of the hermetic, the sage, the alchemist, the philosopher and the occultist. But more specifically he is a man of such wisdom who has become a hermit and is withdrawn from the rest of society to be with himself and God. What do you think the hermit is looking at with his lamp? For me I imagine it to be the town or the city which the hermit is on the outskirts of. The image shows he is a lone onlooker away from the crowd.

This is my perception on the hermit.