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kerkring
04-01-2009, 09:16 AM
The classical authors write about four or five degrees of heat:

1st degree: body heat - 35-39C
2nd degree: fever heat - 40-45C
3rd degree: 50-70C
4th degree: ash heat - 100-200C
5th degree: reverberation fire - 300-1000C

True Initiate
04-05-2009, 06:11 PM
What degrre will be the sandbath then?

kerkring
04-05-2009, 06:47 PM
What degrre will be the sandbath then?

The sand bath comes after the ash bath and can go up to +1000C.

Moshe
02-07-2012, 02:15 AM
The sand bath comes after the ash bath and can go up to +1000C.

Really?
I would think the sand bath would be between the 3rd and 4th degrees of fire.
So getting up to 100C but not quite there.

I'd love to know for sure.

solomon levi
02-29-2012, 10:08 PM
Sand bath goes hotter than water bath, and water, of course, goes to 100C

But I don't think these temperatures are what alchemy is about.
The fire of alchemy is not this vulgur fire.

Moshe
02-29-2012, 10:22 PM
Sand bath goes hotter than water bath, and water, of course, goes to 100C
But I don't think these temperatures are what alchemy is about.
The fire of alchemy is not this vulgur fire.

Solomon, can you speak a little on the secret fire?

Pleroma
02-29-2012, 10:30 PM
Solomon, can you speak a little on the secret fire?

moshe, the book Compass of the wise talks about the secret fire, in the chapter of Wet fire...and the next chapter talks about the artificial fire, which is i think regular heat.
one thing i dont get is why do some alchemist say that the matter will go through all the colors in months but yet abraham says in 4 hours...

solomon levi
03-02-2012, 08:11 PM
I probably should not have mentioned other fires since we are in the spagyrics section.
But I just wanted to point at the distinction so they are not confused.

"All one's application and care must then be only to know the correct practice in the first, second and third Works. It is not at all the fire of the bath, dung or ashes, nor any of the other fires of which the Philosophers sing or describe for us in their books.
What, then is this fire which perfects and achieves the entire Work, from beginning to end? Certainly all Philosophers have hidden it; but for myself, touched by a moment of pity, I would declare it and the achievement of the whole Work."
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/pontan_1.html

This is a good paper IMO:
http://www.triad-publishing.com/PON-23.html

Moshe
03-02-2012, 08:18 PM
Thank you Solomon. Great info.
Amazing how one could pursue alchemy and the Great Work and never make the connection, nor discover what is the Secret Fire...

guthrie
03-15-2012, 05:06 PM
Ripley uses a fire against nature and a fire of nature or whatever it is called, I cannot recall, but these are names for specific substances.

Andro
03-15-2012, 05:38 PM
Ripley uses a fire against nature and a fire of nature or whatever it is called, I cannot recall, but these are names for specific substances.

Possibly, but not necessarily... What does Nature abhor? (as in 'Fire against Nature')

guthrie
03-15-2012, 06:26 PM
One Nature dominates another Nature, etc.
In this case, it appears that the fire against nature is too strong a solvent.
From his Marrow of Alchemy:
XV. There are three things necessary to this Art, of which you ought not to be ignorant, viz. 1. The Fire wherewith: the fire of Nature, Innatural, elemental, and which is against Nature, destroying the special form of all that is dissolved therein. 2. The Water whereby: as in the Compound Water. 3. And the thing whereof: is made the congealed Earth, as White as Snow. Of all which in their proper order.