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Aleilius
01-02-2009, 02:41 AM
This is a Phoenix-thread (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=7) from the old site (http://alchemy-forums.forumotion.com/forum.htm).

Haha, I just realized something interesting while looking at a picture of an Amanita Muscaria mushroom. Please notice the red and white colors.

Take a look at this my friends!

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/11/79/25/08/amanit10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1&u=11792508)


EDIT: Just as I posted this something weird happened. I was watching discovery channel and a program mentioned "Mushroom Rock" just as I posted this!!! What a strange synchronicity!

Source: Wikipedia - Amanita Muscaria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria#Cultural_history)


There are also claims that A. muscaria played in important role in a number of ancient religious rites, though these claims tend to be speculative and highly controversial. The best known of these claims is R. Gordon Wasson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Gordon_Wasson)'s proposition that A. muscaria was the Soma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soma) talked about in Rig Veda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rig_Veda) of India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India), and is less often also thought to be the amrita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amrita) talked about in Buddhist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist) scriptures. (For more details on this topic, see Botanical identity of Soma-Haoma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botanical_identity_of_Soma-Haoma).)
Could this mean that Crowley's AMRITA (http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib343.html) text was actually referencing a specific Amanita species or Amanita Muscaria itself?

Except from AMRITA:


But we have found the Super-food. We know a vehicle of which a few grains can house enough pure light to fill a man not only with nourishment, but with Energy almost superhuman, and parallel, Intelligence incredibly sun-bright for four-and twenty hours. That substance is theoretically easy, but practically hard to obtain. In England and America it would be impossible to procure any quantity even of the raw material, at least in strength and purity; much less to prepare it. We know how to charge this substance with the Life-force. The process is at present laborious and expensive; great skill is required, and much precaution for errors in preparation are hard to detect, and may result in hideous mischance.

It is now six years since we gained our knowledge. They have been crowded with experiment; we are arrived at the practical stage. We cannot understand the true Nature of this force; we cannot measure it; we cannot create it, or obtain it synthetically. But we can purify and intensify it; we can, within wide limits, determine at will the quality and scope of its action; we can postpone death, increase energy, or prolong youth; and we are justified in saying that we possess the Elixir of Life
Sadly we know Amanita does not bring the user physical immortality.

Back to the Wikipedia text on Amanita:


The British writer Robert Graves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Graves) theorizes in a preface to his book, The Greek Myths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greek_Myths), that the Dionysian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysian) rites were conducted under the influence of this mushroom.[59] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria#_note-35) John Marco Allegro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Marco_Allegro) argues in The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross that the Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian) religion is derived from a sex and psychedelic mushroom cult,[60] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria#_note-36), although his theory has found little support by scholars outside the field of ethnomycology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnomycology). In Magic Mushrooms in Religion and Alchemy (formerly called Strange Fruit) Clark Heinrich interprets A. muscaria usage by Adam and Eve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve), Moses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses), Elijah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah) and Elisha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisha), Isiah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isiah), Ezekiel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezekiel), Jonah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah), Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus) and his disciples (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciples), and John of Patmos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Patmos). In the book Apples of Apollo the mushroom is identified in a wide range of mythological tales such as those involving Perseus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseus), Prometheus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus), Heracles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles), Jason and the Argonauts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_and_the_Argonauts), Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus) and the Holy Grail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Grail).
I've known about this for a few years, but I never really connected the dots up until now.
http://img.youtube.com/vi/c5V44v0hZac/default.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5V44v0hZac)
Atlantis and the Magic Mushroom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5V44v0hZac)


http://img.youtube.com/vi/YwOT2eloF88/default.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwOT2eloF88)
Moses, 9/11 and Magic Mushroom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwOT2eloF88)
ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!!!

I knew the mushroom was connected to religion in some way, but I didn't know it was THAT connected. This is truly amazing.
What is the anatomical (self-contained) red and white daemons?
I don't understand what you mean LadyHydralisk?
In regards to the white and red colorscheme I may be stretching it a little, but I thought of this right away:

http://www.grahamphillips.net/Merlin/dragons.jpg

Ambros Prophesies to King Vortigern, a 15th century manuscript, Lambeth Palace.

As a youth, Ambros/Merlin foretells that the red dragon - the British kings leading up to King Arthur - will defeat the white dragon - the invading Saxons.
Or this:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/jassgo/Bild.jpg
http://smashbros.planets.gamespy.com/trophies2/supermushroom.jpg
See, Mario knew what he was doing all along...
I think Crowley was perfectly clear. Red=blood and White=semen.

I think we want to tread carefully here...it is true that Amanita is very visually red & white but it also happens to be among the more disappointing of mushrooms trancewise...Even the Russian Amanita cults had to process it through the bladder of a cow or yak before it was considered suitable to be injested...it's effects are more narcotic than hallucinogenic. It also comes in other colors - predominently yellow and more rarely white.

I think we should be careful when drawing conclusions too quickly from symbolism.

The images are really beautiful thought!

Aleilius
01-02-2009, 02:46 AM
The shaman's in various tribes would purify the Amanita's for the rest of the tribe by consuming them and then urinating. The rest of the tribe would consume this urine in order to achieve the psychoactive effects without any discomforting body load. The ibotenic acid would decarboxylate to muscimol (the main psychoactive) in the body and would be passed out through urination.

I think Crowley was perfectly clear. Red=blood and White=semen.

I
think we want to tread carefully here...it is true that Amanita is very
visually red & white but it also happens to be among the more
disappointing of mushrooms trancewise...Even the Russian Amanita cults
had to process it through the bladder of a cow or yak before it was
considered suitable to be injested...it's effects are more narcotic
than hallucinogenic. It also comes in other colors - predominently
yellow and more rarely white.

I think we should be careful when drawing conclusions too quickly from symbolism.

The images are really beautiful thought!that's really weird...somebody came in and completely rewrote my comments? Those are not my words...just the outline of the ideas I was raising...

any ideas what's up with that?
LOL,

Sorry, I wanted to reply to your post, but I accidently edited it instead!

I haven't had my morning caffeine...

oh...that's actually a lot better than that i might be losing my marbles then...

it's ok...I haven't had mine yet either...

m1
I had the middle part of your post copied, because I was planning on replying to that part. However I didn't have the top or bottom of your post copied, I barely remembered the the main points of the top and bottom of your post.

I tried to repair it as much as possible, hoping nobody would notice, BUT you did.
it's no problem - so long as i know what happened...

I think the only thing really missing was that I pointed out that the red & white dragons of alchemy have a well-defined history already but I can't seem to remember what they represent...probably because we get conflicting reports on this. red is usually sulfur, white may be salt, or may be a white sulphur, or something else altogether...we might want to really dig that stuff out.

Crowley attempted to transplant the symbolism into sex-magickal terms but I never found his arguments all that compelling personally...an interesting little side-path maybe. Unfortunately it only really serves to confuse the original line of thinking.

m1
Alchemy is weird.

I think chemistry makes more sense. You know, the atomic number of Oxygen (the third most common element in the universe) is 8.

It says here an alchemist named Ripley said that combining the red and white dragons (in marriage) produces the philosopher's stone.

Princes and Princely Culture, 1450-1650 By Martin Gosman, A. A. (Alasdair A.) MacDonald, Arie Johan Vanderjagt


"Q. When the Philosophers
speak of gold and silver, from which they extract their matter, are we
to suppose that they refer to the vulgar gold and silver?
A. By no means; vulgar silver and gold are dead, while those of the Philosophers are full of life."

- Alchemical Catechism, Parcelsus

I overlooked the red and white dragon symbolism in alchemy, however, this didn't stop me from having vivid conversations with first the white dragon and then the red dragon, after getting married to the black dragon. Afterwards, imagined quite lucidly in the black depths of my veins (it's dark in there) that the red and the white dragons were only red and white blood cells, and I was encountering their macrocosmic forms. Once applying the star model to upgrade the lowest form of the body I think we may begin to see improvements in the function of these (and other) cells. Recalling that the red blood cells entire function is to carry the third most common element in the universe with a count of 8, well, it's kind of interesting.

Alchemy is difficult to research because everyone was so vague and secretive as to be wholly counterproductive. I think this is an illness of humankind, since what have we got for it? The Manhattan project went forward without these archaic and quaint "secrets"

One of my favorite quotes from Crowley, which I read this year is "All of this secrecy is very silly" and it is! We're still wasting time trying to decipher this damned stuff 100-200 years later or however long it was.

And just because someone was ancient doesn't make them intelligent.

okwell that was a lot of ranting, but I felt like saying it, so, you know....whatever.
red & white blood cells? that's pretty good...I hadn't even considered that angle.

makes perfect sense to me.

I also think that all the elitist secrecy surrounding european alchemy has been a devestating miscalculation and in any case it doesn't work in the information age. To begin with, there is no longer any justifiable need for it from the standpoint of self-defense, or, if instead, we are presuming to protect the ignorant from themselves, then I think we have succumbed to a police-state mentality and would be better off to trust to the laws of nature itself in this regard. Sure...some will harm themselves. People will harm themselves and others in any case and this is neither here nor there.

We are under a certain time pressure in this world and I for one haven't got the time or inclination to spend half my life trying to unlock some encrypted jargon that in all probability contains very little real substance anyway...more often than not we are better off to go at these issues from scratch.

I do assume in this however, that some will persist in this in any case and that's probably all to the good. I won't be among them personally, but I will always be willing to check in with them from time to time.

m1
hmm. I didn't mention that to you?

Well I was thinking black=carbon/charcoal

and as you know carbon=diamond

Which is cool consider your term for the glittery light that surrounds the mirrors. ahahahahha

Who knows what they really were thinking, it's not really useful to me to know.

Everyone likes mushrooms though, right? I cook with white wood ears and portobello mostly....that's about it...shiitake too....they have about two dozen other strange varieties at the asian market I shop at.

When spread out they look like vishnu's disc....

red & white blood cells? that's pretty good...I hadn't even considered that angle.
Yeah LH sometimes you just pull a magic rabbit out of the hat!

Thanks for this fact... sometimes you are a muse!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Red_White_Blood_cells.jpg

"At each of the cakras are red and white "drops" (thig le, bindu) which are bases for mental health. The white drops are more numerous at the top of the head, while the red drops are more common at the solar plexus. The origins of these drops are the white and red substances one inherits from one's father and mother, respectively. At the time of conception, white matter from the father's sperm and red matter from the mother form the nucleus of the zygote, and the matter one recieves from them at conception resides at the heart in awhat is called the "indestructible drop", which is th size of a small pea. It is white at the top and red at the bottom, and it is called 'indestructible' because it remains until death."
[...] skipping to. pg 298


"The Dalai Lama states that when the eighty conceptual thoughts together with the winds or energies that serve as their mounts dissolve, the internal sign is that a white appearance dawns; this is the mind of radiant white appearance. It is compared to a clear autumn sky filled with just moonlight. "

"The mind of white appearance in turn dissolves into a suubtlr mind, the 'mind of red increase.' this occurs when the upper and lower winds come together at the heart and the winds enter the drop at the heart. According to the Dalai lama, this is "Compared to a clear autumn sky filled with just reddish or orange sunlight." A person who abides in this state and recognizes the red light as a manifestation of mind can transmute it into the form of a complete enjoyment body buddha; if this does not occur, he or she moves on to the next phase. The mind of red increase now dissolves into the "mind of black near-attainment, in which all one percieves is a void filled with blackness. The sign of this mind is a void filled with dense darkness, followed by a feeling of faintness. this occurs when all winds dissolve into the very subtle life sustaining wind i the indestructible drop at the heart. One then experiences a clear void that is free from the previous white, red, and black appearances and is referred to as the mind of clear light"
Inroduction to Tibetan Buddhism by John Powers


Thanks Dev!!! Sometimes the bunny is the one doing the pulling too.
I had heard some funny and interesting things about Amanita in a recorded dialog by Terrence McKenna.

In Norse mythology supposedly there is a tree at the top of the world, named Ygdrasil or something, an Ash tree. These mushrooms can be found at the base of these trees. Also red & white are the colors of Santa Clause. A shaman who flies through the sky delivering gifts to children all over the world in one night. And this Santa is assisted by a merry group of elves who make these amazing gifts. There are many stories of shared psychedelic experiences where elves and such are witnessed. Also Santa is the master of Reindeer. In Siberia, reindeer are known to knock people out of the way to get at the urine of the mushroom eater.

Nibiru
07-30-2012, 10:15 PM
I had experimented with Amanitas in my teenage years, but had never experienced anything much more than drowsiness. After reading this "trip-report" of what seemed to be a very alchemical and spiritual experience, I may have to experiment with them once more. Notice where the poster found his specimens growing..

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/383761-Amanita-Muscaria-4th-Time-Amanita-is-Awesome!

Speed is of the essence.

Or at least, it was. You see, the last thing that I remember before in engaging in what I believe is amongst the 'true psychedelic potential' of amanita.. I had a curious little vision..
I had my 45min nap after some moderate nausea and extreme tiredness.. got up for a walk around (cos I slept through my whole last 15g trip) and decided I needed some more sleep. I thought to myself 'hey, I just dont reckon most ppl know how to trip properly.. i mean, do they know that the mushroom consiousness is in them..despite whatever chemical name it is given.. do they realised it is a god? an entity?
..and nearly as soon as I thought a few of these thoughts, I found an Amanita in my mind. There was a gnome sitting atop of it. I ipcked the mushroom, the gnome disappeared, and I 'walked through' a door in the Fly agaric. I realised that I had 20g of magical mushroom inside of me, and that I was the shaman in this story. That begins an epic unravelling of time and space. Or re-ravelling.

Although I was both sensible and delirous enough to be imagining the width and breadth of the entire universe in one mental image.. and to talk and explain the epxerience to my g.f.. I will give only the major insights I recieved, for I feel this was a clean and universal template that was being presented.. and was also nice and neat.

Its a deliriant, yeah? Well, after my peak I could not walk without falling over. Not only the visual sense was condensed and slowed (distorted).. but my mind was working so quickly that I understood this new energy to be taking its time in healing my body cells, my mind and my spirit.
I give huge thanks to my g.f who came to lie with me and make sure i was ok. As I began my semi-delirious ramble.. everything came into pure focus. Recentyl vauge concepts became conrete truth. In particular, I was explainign the immense visual that I was having. NOt like psilocye at all- so much CLEANER. And realer. It was my own mind on supercharge, rather than an alien mind infesting me.

I was talking about waves..and wavelengths. In fact, I was physically experincing the polar reality of the universe. Of all things. I could 'see' this polar reality, and many other 'truths' I was considering, as very basic shapes. No grand landscapes of convoluted morpholiges, simply brightligh coloured lego bricks that were my own brain as they were the whole world. There was such basic simplicity in the visions, while being overwhelmingly packed full of meaning an detail.
The whole time I was rambling, and things were becoming clearer and more sensible- there was also a part of me getting quicker, and quicker and quicker. I soon new this to be an aspect the wavelenght phenomena and evetually felt myself humming in tune with the many various realites that I was moving through. With my eyes closed, I couldnt help but feel that I was coming up to the peak.. I started at edges of the conceivable universe.. and slowly, getting quicker I was coming right into tthe centre. Into the centre of me. Into the centre of one dot. One tiny point of focus amidst all the absurdity that is.

I explained to my g.f that shit was gonna get real busy. That I didnt know what was coming, but that it was gonna be ok. I likened it to an implosion. I was the rise and fall of oceans. In the cellular, all pervading sense. As it was coming in.. and folding up.. and condensing down I waondered what would happen as my mind imploded. would here be another direction I would need to unfold out into?
It was endelss. Infinite. The grandest thing, was how easily I was able to concieve of infinity. Something Id previously never been able to do.
Thankyou Amanita.

It was around that stage that I started to wonder if my cellular vibration wasnt just about to hit hyperspace. That distant, speeding collapse.. not unlike the bigbang itself.. crushed down in on me, and then expanded into infinite microscopicness. The world within, is every bit as vast as the world outside. It seems totally viable that I was about to be physically displaced into a new universe.
Instead.. what followed was like this:
My mind was way too fast for my body. This has to be one of the effects that the bersekers capitalised on. HOWEVER, at this dosage I understood my body could not yet handle the vibration of my mind, and instead of experiencing the outer world with an inner hyperspeed, that is when shit got way Delirious!
I just had to get some music on. But I couldnt use the mouse, cos every one click I tried to make, endedup being an involutary 5-6 clicks instead. Walking to the bathroom, I fell over and hit my head on the doorframe very hard. For every 3 seconds I felt present, there was one second that I was somewhere else. Almost like 'blinking' in an out of this reailty, this common wavelength of sahred expereince. I fell ove rmany times on the way to to the toilet, and made myself quite the mess to clean in the morning. lol.

It was pure hell, to have the computer crash half way through Pink floyds ummagumma. The syneshteisa that I expereinced is beyond words. No drug to this day, has allowed me that level of vivid visualisation with music. Vivid, but of a different nature than psilocybe. The kinethesthetic/visual/auditory synesthesia was overwhleming but amazing.
I managed to chop myself a couple of cones, which I nearly dropped several times. Then I did. I packed myself a cone from the floor, scorning my g.f for being so retardedly uselss for me in that state.. and then blanked out twice during that one inhalation. Deliriant indeed.

Um yeah. It was f*ckin radical. To those who just get sick, or feel durnk or whatever.. geez, I dunno what to say. This was every bit as profound as (5dry grams of Psilocybe subaeruginosa+25grams fresh)

I found the Amanita entity to be much more loving, divine and older (than immortal?lol) than the psilocybe. Mush more generous and caring also. Thast was my 4th time. 5-10-15 and last night 20dry grams. They were found growing under oak near a lake. A very magical grove to begin with.

Yeah, I hope ppl read this and throw out all those bullshit reports and decide to find out for themselves.

Ghislain
07-30-2012, 11:30 PM
I see another quest forming :)

Ghislain

solomon levi
07-31-2012, 04:14 AM
Are we to understand that this was a smoking experience?
I hadn't thought of smoking amanitas.

Nibiru
07-31-2012, 04:36 AM
It's quite interesting when you begin to look into it. Apparently some of the ancients considered mushrooms "living stones" or "water stones". You can moisten any dried/dead portion of the mushroom with water and a "resurrection" of the mycelia (that looks similar to wool or a white beard) will begin to grow.

Dealing with this Art it's easy to make connections supporting your current understanding of "Truth", only to realize down the road that you had mislead yourself along a path that you wanted to see. This is most likely the case with the Soma theory, but perhaps it is one possible path of many towards a spiritual Stone. We'll never know unless we experiment. To be clear, I'm in no way supporting the claims that are being made concerning amanita being the Philosopher's Stone or even Soma for that matter, but I have to admit some of the correlations being made are interesting..

I found this:
http://americanmushrooms.com/amanita.htm

Mushrooms in the genus Amanita are mycorrhizal (symbiotic) with certain trees, most notably oaks and various conifers.

And some links sharing some interesting information on its possible connection to alchemy, the 3 day resurrection, the living/multiplying bread, holy grail, sacred wine, wool, philosopher's beard, body of christ, etc.:

Amanita and Alchemy
http://www.ambrosiasociety.org/alchemy_.html

Amanita and the Philosopher's Stone:
http://www.ambrosiasociety.org/the_philosophers_stone.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTXNO7CAsc4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTXNO7CAsc4

Nibiru
08-13-2012, 12:04 AM
Are we to understand that this was a smoking experience?
I hadn't thought of smoking amanitas.

Solomon, I'm sorry but somehow your post hadn't yet appeared on my computer when I made my last post. I think it says he consumed 20g grams somewhere towards the beginning, but smoking is effective. It's not super intense but it is quite smooth and is noticeable from a few puffs. This way does work quite well for potentiating though..

I just remembered that I had a dream that I've been recently experimenting with some of the dry caps from an online vendor and they are actually quite nice. I've been purchasing a strain called Washington A+ strain. I grind all of my caps together from the bag to distribute the potency and keep the dosage uniform. I make a tea after the water has stopped boiling and steep in a french press. 1-2 grams works like a very nice and clean tonic and provides a nice energy and positive mood for several hours. 3-6g begins to feel more like a cross between alcohol, a benzodiazepine sedative, and a slight bit dissociative like ketamine or dxm. When you start getting closer to 10g the dissociated effects become stronger and the dream images begin, also walking becomes difficult at this point. I've only noticed two potentially negative side-effects: 1. once you go above 3 or 4g you will sweat for the first two or three hours while you're coming up. The sweating can get pretty intense but perhaps it's part of a pre-purification process. 2. Is I'm still wake up feeling the effects till early afternoon on the following day, which can be a positive effect depending on how you look at it. They take 3-4 hours to kick-in completely and during this time is when you may experience the possible side-effects of sweating, drowsiness, and reportedly nausea. I haven't made it past 10g yet, and I understand that somewhere between 10g and 20g dried is the dose needed to experience the full on psychedelic effects.

These mushrooms grow wild many places and I used to pick them when I lived in Washington, so I'm sure you can hunt your own. The ones I used to find when I was in high-school(during my later years I was quite the Psychonaut) would occasionally have deer bites taken from them, so at least the animals understand that they're not truly poisonous. Even though fly agaric are legal to possess almost every where, consumption or intent to consume these mushrooms is considered a crime in many places so be careful. I have read that the fresh mushrooms do produce toxic effects and need to be dried to a specific temperature for the more toxic ibotenic acid to be converted into muscomole. I'ts said that in ancient times the shamans would prepare them by frying them on a stick in an open fire until it was transmuted from a poison into a sacrament. I will say if anyone's going to experiment with these, they should do their research and weigh the positives to the potential negatives. You can find more than a handful of online reports of people literally experiencing Hell from underestimating the power of these mushrooms. You will also find just as many enlightening experiences reported from those who did their research and treated the mushroom with respect. Most all of the full-blown reports I've read sound very similar to iboga or ayahuasca experiences e.g. death and rebirth, so please approach with respect.

Here's another very nice report I recently read of a amanita experience:


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found this report over at mycotopia by Shrems...sounds downright cosmic...I think I might order some, I wanted to try them over the holidays..it is the season for these onesWink..but have yet to find them in the wild..

shrems wrote..
"yo i tripped on amanita pantherinas last night. it was rediculous! everyone on this board needs to try them. perhaps this species is just that much better than muscaria. i ate 5 grams, but they were not completely dry -- just barely moist. they are not like psillys in many ways -- mostly the lack of significant OEVs. but that's ok because the CEV's are that much better! i had the most insane trip of my life on the inside of my head. btw i have done psillys 2 dozen times and lsd one dozen. i got a straight-up mystical vision from the amanitas. it was almost entirely pleasant the whole time and i did not even feel nauseous for a second! and that is without any special preparation.

coming into the trip, i had the same negative impression of these shrooms as the posters of above me do. boy are they wrong! amanitas are the shit.

a complete trip report

Quote:
straight off the bat, these shrooms kicked my ass. i rarely post here, let alone a long trip report, but my experience last night needs to be shared.

from all i had read about amanitas on the shroomery and on erowid, i was never interested in eating them. after all, more people have bad trips than good trips and many get quite sick. what really convinced me that amanitas suck was "food of the gods," in which terrence mckenna writes amanitas off as not in the same league as the other psychedelics. he claims they couldn't possibly be the true soma. with all due respect, i find it unbelievable that mckenna ever sampled quality specimens of the shrooms.

so when my buddy X tells me friday that he is going home for the weekend to trip on amanitas, i don't give it much thought. i warn him that he will be greatly disappointed as amanita trips are incomparable to cubensis trips and he would most likely become violently ill. fortunately, my words didn't discourage him, and he and 2 friends ate a whole bunch friday night. i believe X ate around 10 grams, not all at once, and one of his friends ate 10 also while his other friend ate over 14 grams. when i called X at 1 pm saturday (i forget he was home for the weekend and needed to borrow his guitar tuner) he answered and explained to me what happened. he was very strung out sounding and he told me his friend (the one who ate 14) had gone into a hypnotic trance in the night and was taken to the local hospital. i didn't ask many more questions b/c of my preconceptions about amanitas and wrote off X's trip as someting of a psychedelic misadventure. when i hung up i remember thinking to myself how little appetite i had for these crazy legal shrooms. i didn't want to have to eat an enormous dose just to trip and risk going to the hospital.

so sunday X gets back to campus and calls me up. he was very excited to show me the rest of his QP of amanitas, even though he knew that i wasn't interested. so over a cigarette, X tells me and my friends Y and Z about his trip and shows us his bag of fat caps with an occasional shriveled stem. the shrooms were fairly dry but not as dry as preserved cubensis. they were still a little flexible and moist. once we saw the shrooms in front of us and discussed our options for possibly eating them, X, Y, Z and myself became increasingly eager to consume some shrooms that night. i was extremely skeptical until i read this article: Shroomery - Amanita muscaria - A New Outlook . after i found that site, i decided that i definitely was up for giving amanitas a try.

around 10:30, the four of us plus M find ourselves in X's dorm room with mountain dew and potatoe chips and of course a big sack of amanitas. M, the latecomer, has shit to do the next day and is only up for 3 grams. the rest of us eat 5. they don't taste too bad at all.

once finished, we pick up a 20 bag of herb and Y rolls a peach philly.

we walk the 12 minutes or so to the big park nearby, and set up camp on a bench at the top of a tall hill, our favorite toke spot and one with a fantastic view of the city. we smoke the blunt, feel funny, and take a walk around the park. we make our way back to the dorms, and to M's room. M turns down the lights and puts on some good music. i get comfortable on the futon.

sometime after we come to M's room, the amanita intoxication begins to overpower my weed high. i feel a distinct psychedelic body buzz that seems to be the perfect (strong!) intensity. i begin to rant to X how impressed i am with the feeling and how glad i am he encouraged me to give the amanitas a try. as we sit around, i come up pretty quickly. soon i am seeing a strange sort of visual that i have never enountered before. basically, parts of my field of vision around my focal point were tripping out but not in the ordinary way i've found with shrooms and acid. instead of seeing distorted reality right before my eyes persistently, it is as though i see every frame of reality exactly as it is, but in between frames of real reality are inserted frames of distorted reality. cool. at this point i am feeling highly inebriated. my sense of balance is completely erratic and walking felt like a completely new sensation.

we head out of the dorms with another peach blunt. on the way out, we stop and talk to some drunk people in the ashtray. i am able to communicate and i manage to avoid freaking them out too bad. however, when a drunk girl raised her foot to mine (i am standing up, she is sitting down) like high-five stylee, my sense of balance decieves me. i almost kick X in the balls when i follow through with me foot behind me! fortunately, my mistake is quickly forgotten when, on the way out of the ashtray, Y is startled by someone calling out her name and falls completely on her ass! haha.

we walk down to a shady ghetto where there are few cars. my sense of time at this point is obliterated. we smoke the blunt and M (who only ate 3 grams) splits and heads back. the rest of us find ourselves in strange positions on the sidewalk and the alley (lying down on wet pavement) and spaced out completely. we zone in and out of reality for awhile. somehow i find that i've taken off my headphones and shoved them in my coat pocket. totally subconsciously, i twist the earphones into a huge knot inside the pocket. at some point i have an epiphany and realize that what i am doing to my headphones is totally counter-intuitive to the music i wanted to listen to. i pull the earphones out and realize they're totally fucked. i try for a couple minutes to untie them but i am only making things worse. finally i give up and hand them to X, who spends what seems like forever slowly unravelling the horrible knot. once it is unraveled, i let it dangle and see something totally unbelievable. because of the memory inherent to the headphone wires, when i let it go it looks like a beautiful piece of art, as the physics were mind-boggling without knowing how the wire came to be the way it was. i pocket the headphones and decide to sell them on ebay. lol. obviously at this point my mind is melted.

for whatever reason, i am talking far more than the others. i think this is because of the insane superpowers i was developing within my mind. basically, all of the CEV's i encounter are similar in specific ways. they all take place on a 3d stage that is indistinguishible from outer space and the universe at large. every visual has a clear nucleus right at the center of the universe. my perspective is generally focused on the nucleus but it comes in from all different angles and distances. for a long time, my visuals are limited to extremely colorful horizontal planes that extend into oblivion and intersect with one another at the nucleus. these visuals become more and more complex but remain extremely colorful and composed of horizontal planes. i also see OEVs that consisted of very faint patterns reminiscent of typical shroom and acid patterns yet less strong and vivid. the more exciting OEVs are the nearly invisible horizontal planes that formed above and parallel to the ground. in the light, they look like silk threads or like lasers through fog. very cool.


when i begin to peak, things get way more interesting. at some point in the alley with my eyes closed, in the universal CEV stage, i create by my own choice a world just like the earth. i am able to zoom in anywhere on the planet at light speed and then zoom out just as fast. on the walk back to the dorms, i play with my newfound abilities. i realize that i can create and destroy entire universes with no effort. this is nothing i've ever been able to do before, and i am flabbergasted. i try to create a macroverse out side of my universe stage, but cannot. when i find that my ability is limited only to the universe inside my head, and i cannot change the world i see when i open my eyes, i get kinda pissed and complain. i decide i need more power! hehe.

the 4 of us arrive in the lobby of my building and sit down. we are completely useless. after awhile, we decide what we need is to lie down somewhere safe, quiet, and dark, together. however, in order to get them into my building, where we could find an empty lounge to enjoy, i have to sign in X, who lives in a different dorm. this is ever more complicated because it is 2:30 am monday morning, and in order to sign in guests after 2 on weeknights, we are required to fill out extended guest forms. all this paperwork and i am beginning to peak!

fortunately, the security guard likes me and allows us into the building despite my inability to answer her simple questions or sign X in in a legible manner. my signature is a bizarre scribble. hehe.

once inside, we head from lounge to lounge on the elevator, looking for an empty one. we finally come across a lounge occupied by a guy talking on his phone. this doesn't bother us and we go inside and melt into the furniture. i am still more talkative than the others and i basically rant stream-of-consciousness about the insane world i am visiting inside my head. the kid on the phone at a certain point gets bugged out and says something like "whoa wtf did you kids smoke?" i reply with some insane remark and he leaves minutes later, undoubtedly spooked. we turn off the lights.

my mental journies are deviating further and further from reality. i choose to destroy myself, and with it the entire planet earth. the destruction process feels much like i am folding everything up into itself in a methodical way. then, i create a new earth and return every thing to normal. the creation process feels just like i am unfolding everything from within a dot in the center of my universe stage. i see myself reborn, and i see myself live my life up through to the present (i am 1Cool. the whole experience is euphoric and i feel great about the life i've created, which is the same as my real life but with one glaring difference.

in my new, idealized world, i do not smoke weed!

this discovery really concerns me. i rationalize that this is extremely important and is a sign that i must not smoke weed everyday any longer. the thought of no longer smoke daily, of course, is not very pleasant for me. (i've smoked daily for damn near 3 years, minus one 6-month break last year when i was tested) i get pissed off and try to take the trip in another direction. sure enough, i am quckly back in my empty universe stage gazing at the colorful rainbow horizontal planes dancing around and bouncing every which way.

i trip along and all is well until all of a sudden i open my eyes to the scariest of OEVs i've ever experienced. entire faces of the walls in the lounge, huge chunks of the walls, ceiling, and floor slide out and toward me as though i am in some sort of claustrophic nightmare. i have less and less room to breathe and it occurs to me that if things continue the way they are going, i am going to be crushed. i rush to the door and turn the handle. it opens! whew, i breathe a sigh of relief as i realize i am just in a trip and everything is ok.

here, i make the mistake of questioning the trip and i wonder why hell i am trying to crush myself. now, i remember the craziness i had experienced earlier when recreating myself. its the weed! i realize that the trip is one step ahead of me and is tricking me into a thought loop of how i need to stop smoking weed everyday. it is not like any thought loop i've ever experienced. conventional thought loops are so intense that they just take over my mind completely until i break out of them. this thought loop however, was one that was easily broken in the short term, but impossible to end completely because of its trickiness. the trip was outsmarting me by allowing me to trip out, find myself in a different world, then be presented with imminent death that forced me to confront the only thing on my mind: not smoking weed daily.

the second major trick is just as scary as the first. i am sitting on the floor or a chair when i begin to float up, through the roof, and into space. i soon see that i am resting on an enormous pillar that is shooting me through space at incredible speed. i see many pillars around me, none higher than mine, and they are all at different height but shooting up just as fast. when my pillar slows down, my whole field of vision is eclipsed by blackness and i see nothing at all but a hollow pillar right in front of me. it is my only way out and it presumably will lead to my death. now, i am deeply in an unreal trip scenario, but i am somehow able to remove myself from it for a second to consult the other trippers in the room and ask them "what the fuck do i do when i am faced with death?!" at this time, the others are entirely spaced out, so i am forced to think for myself. i am back in the scenario and i take the plunge down the hollow tube.

*poof* i am back in the lounge, with my eyes open and everything as it should be.

right around this time, i encounter another very strange experience that confirmed my anxieties over marijuana dependence. i don't remember what triggered it, but sometime me and Y mutually agree we are both about to transcend our current reality (die?), but not in a bad way. we agree that at the moment that we transcend, we need to be looking at something special. Y decides she needs to look at a picture on her phone at the special moment of transcendence. (it would make sense that the moment of transcendence was a part of a song, but we had no music hooked up except for on earphones so thats impossible. X doesn't remember this part at all so i guess it will always be a mystery what exactly it was that was supposed to be important.) i think to myself and decide that when the moment comes i want to be looking at a picture of my older and only sister on my phone. somehow the trip tricks me into think that my phone is set up so that the picture it displays when i turn it up is my sister. so i hit the power button at just the right time and wait for the phone to shut down synchronized to the special moment. when the moment comes, however, i am not looking at my sister but instead at my beautiful glass bong! despite this being perfectly normal, as my non-tripping self knows well that my phone is set to display my bong as it turns off, it really shocks me. i think about how i have to quit smoking for a while before my thoughts finally drift.

after a series of intense mini-trips consisting of more pretty colors and complex geometric constructions, i arrive at yet another mindset. i feel as though i am at the top of the hill and finishing up my peak. i feel as though i must now make a choice as to whether or not i accept the trip, and the conclusion that i can no longer smoke weed daily, or reject the trip and the conclusion. i s'pose that because of my experiences with psilocybin and my deep respect for the shrooms and the lessons they've taught me, i choose to accept this trip and its conclusion. at the moment i decide, i am launched into a dramatic and intense final climax. i destroy the planet and everything in the universe. but i don't stop there. i also destroy my stage, the "universe-at-large." now, for the first time this trip, my stage is not the endless black void of space. instead, it is a melting scene of pastel tie-died colors swirling around, much like the drempels viusal program the serves as my desktop on this PC. the colorful swirls are omnipresent and i am at a loss to destroy or otherwise control them. i realize this inability and "bounce" into the other direction. from a point at the nucleus of the tie-died universe, i unfold the black void that i had earlier destroyed. i proceed to create the earth, human-beings, and eventually my own parents. the next step is me, and i put a lot of mental energy into this part. i "grow" myself up exactly as i like, and exactly as i grew up in real life. the whole time i am seeing imagery from my life that is perfectly accurate except for the spectacular hallucinations that augment every image. i am in awe. when i am grown up to age 18, the sequence ends and i feel as though i have "set it in stone" and completed the journey.

my thoughts drift off and before i know i am coming out of being half asleep. again, this is totally unlike psylocibin in that the line between tripping and sleeping is greatly blurred in the case of the amanitas. with class the next day (i slept through them) i decide to head back to my room and go to sleep. i do this and wake up in the morning (3 pm) feeling fantastic.

it's 7:30 pm now and i am still deep in the afterglow, which is very similar to the afterglow of a psilly trip. however, this trip is a special case as amanitas are widely believed to be inferior to psilocybes. i feel as though i must spread the word and share this terrific drug with the world.

overall, my trip last night was not as euphoric as my trips on psilocybes. after a psilocybin trip, i nearly always am bummed that its over and want to trip again soon. not the case today. i would like to try amanitas again but my desire is not nearly as urgent as it is after a psilocybin trip. i've never tried ayahuasca, but i can say that the visions i saw last night could not be attributed to psilocybin or lsd. they were simply too realistic and on-the-ball. in many ways, i feel as though this trip was very much like a successful ibogaine treatment, as it convinced me so effectively that my weed smoking habits were unhealthy. my plan is not to quit completely until i trip on cubensis next weekend and confirm what i learned last night. i feel it is entirely possible that i will feel uncomfortable when i do get high later on tonight.

it's interesting to note that i tripped the hardest of everyone, possibly because i am a lightweight at 140#. also, X, Y, and Z all ate extra grams a couple hours into there trips. despite their higher doses, they did not lose control to the extent that i did. importantly, everyone had a good time and nobody got sick.

i hope this report convinces some shroomerites to give amanitas a try. i think it presents an interesting point concerning soma's identity and can say for sure after the trip that in no ways was it unlike the descriptions i've read of the soma of yore. i will post an update concerning whether or not i cut back on the reefer. peace. "

from this site: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6780&p=2

solomon levi
08-14-2012, 11:42 AM
Thanks for the reply.
Yeah, I still have a 3 pound margerine tub/container full of dried amanita m.
I didn't know it could be smoked. I'll have to experiment.
When I took the tea I sweated through 3 changes of clothes. It was crazy.
But I felt so clean/pure the next day - a real baptism.

I used to work at an Xmas tree farm, seasonally of course.
There are hundreds of amanitas there in the late fall/early winter.
Someday I'll try them again since I still have a bunch.
They're probably 5 or 6 years old but they've been dry and look and smell the same
as when I first dried them.

Ghislain
08-14-2012, 01:29 PM
Sol

How did you dry them and how long did it take?

I think I got some a while back. I say "think" because they looked right but how can you be sure?

Are there any other shrooms that look the same?

Anyway, because of my impatience I put them in the oven and burnt them.

z0 K
08-14-2012, 07:36 PM
Sol

How did you dry them and how long did it take?

I think I got some a while back. I say "think" because they looked right but how can you be sure?

Are there any other shrooms that look the same?

Anyway, because of my impatience I put them in the oven and burnt them.


Amanita mushrooms are all poisonous. They all will get you high. The white ones: Amanita Phalloides (Death Cap), Amanita Virosa (Destroying Angel), will give you the sweats too and make you nauseous over 24 hrs. Then you will feel serene and that you will be fine; then you fall into some serious agony and die. The whole experience takes about 48 hrs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_phalloides

Amanita Pantherina, (Panther Cap), will get you high as one person here has reported.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_pantherina_var._pantherina

Amanita Muscaria also contains the same psychedelic poison but in lesser concentrations than Panther Cap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria

As with all mushrooms the chemical (drug) production can vary greatly from one local strain and local region to another. There is a reason the old peoples used to drink the piss of their reindeer herds after they were fed Amanita Muscaria mushrooms. It’s the same reason why the peoples used to drink the shaman’s piss after he had ingested a large dose of amanitas. They preferred to drink the piss rather than get sick from the mushrooms.

I think that everyone here is probably aware of the information I posted in these links. It is very important that you know which variety of mushrooms you have. As you can see in the wiki links these mushrooms look quite similar.

I used to be a mycophilic mushroom hunter. I stalked the wild edible delicious ones as well as the blue staining friendly ones Pscilocybe and Panaeolus. Then I got a dose of secondary tryptophan poisoning from some delicious Tricholoma Undulata mushrooms. I had gathered them here in the So. Cal mountains. I made some delicious soup and then I ate a second bowl and came down with the heavy sweats and turned a lighter shade of pale, then went blind. For 6 hours I could not see anything beyond one foot away. Inside that one foot radius I was blinded by a shimmering chaos of kaleidoscopic scintillations.

Apparently they are far less potent in Europe where they are eaten as a delicacy than they are here. The last time I ate some wild native Tricholoma Nudata, very delicious, we came to an agreement in the fevered night dreams after the feast. I was bonded with the powerful collective mushroom personalities; as I digested them they were dissolving me. Just before sunrise we came to the agreement: I would never eat them again and they would not dissolve me. Upon awakening I felt like I had been through a tenderizer and was as soft as mush for most of the day. Three of us ate the feast and we all had the same dreamscape.

To each his own. It is true that many of the alchemists were into Amanita and Psycilocybe mushrooms; they also worked with cannabis.

http://www.alchemylab.com/cannabis_stone4.htm

The work with entheogens produce alchemical particulars, not the Grand Elixir of the Magnum Opus. Entheogenic particulars are very valuable tools for your personal evolution. I opened a fixed pore to the Microcosm for the first time utilizing one made from cannabis.

I’m not sure yet but from preliminary work the complex molecular soup of the green lion and especially the blue spirit contains an interactive arrangement of indolamine/hydroxylamine or hydroxyindolamine yet to be indentified; that is the ultimate entheogen. It starts out as a venomous toad and is dangerous. I only stumbled onto the entheogenic properties because I removed my breathing apparatus and took one whiff of the blue spirit. That illumination and revelation lasted about 4 hours. There was no downside.

The trouble is that experimental run produced only a small amount of the blue spirit and I used it up experimenting. I’m getting ready to run again with 20lbs. of the once ubiquitous filthy starting matter that people used to throw out in the garbage heap. There was a whole profession that made a living getting paid to remove the stuff from peoples’ houses. An unprocessed form of it was used to pave roads. Now it is hard to get. It is still the work of Hercules the Stoker to produce this Philosophical earth from the cheap starting materials.

z0 K

Nibiru
08-14-2012, 08:48 PM
Sol

How did you dry them and how long did it take?

I think I got some a while back. I say "think" because they looked right but how can you be sure?

Are there any other shrooms that look the same?

Anyway, because of my impatience I put them in the oven and burnt them.

I know you directed your comment towards Soloman, but I'll answer to the best of my ability. They say that ibotenic acid is converted to muscimol at 190f, so it's suggested to dry them in an oven at around 200f. I've not yet experienced any nausia using the tea method I mentioned above, and I've used up to 10g dried caps of fly agaric. I should also mention that the last report that I posted above appears to be from the stronger amanita pantheria variety, as only 5g was consumed. I personally am unaware of another variety of mushroom that has the same appearance as the red and white fly agaric, but I could be wrong so please do the research before attempting to pick any in the wild.

Nibiru
08-14-2012, 09:02 PM
The last time I ate some wild native Tricholoma Nudata, very delicious, we came to an agreement in the fevered night dreams after the feast. I was bonded with the powerful collective mushroom personalities; as I digested them they were dissolving me. Just before sunrise we came to the agreement: I would never eat them again and they would not dissolve me. Upon awakening I felt like I had been through a tenderizer and was as soft as mush for most of the day. Three of us ate the feast and we all had the same dreamscape.

Sounds like a symbiotic ourobourous type of experience between you and the spirit of the mushroom. I enjoyed reading this, thanks for sharing :)


I’m not sure yet but from preliminary work the complex molecular soup of the green lion and especially the blue spirit contains an interactive arrangement of indolamine/hydroxylamine or hydroxyindolamine yet to be indentified; that is the ultimate entheogen. It starts out as a venomous toad and is dangerous. I only stumbled onto the entheogenic properties because I removed my breathing apparatus and took one whiff of the blue spirit. That illumination and revelation lasted about 4 hours. There was no downside.

I'm sorry for the dumb question, but are you speaking of a "venomous toad" allegorically or literally? I only ask because I am aware that some toads and frogs do contain a natural entheogenic substace that natives extract for spiritual ceremonies. Is this blue spirit that you smelled a liquid or gas?



The trouble is that experimental run produced only a small amount of the blue spirit and I used it up experimenting. I’m getting ready to run again with 20lbs. of the once ubiquitous filthy starting matter that people used to throw out in the garbage heap. There was a whole profession that made a living getting paid to remove the stuff from peoples’ houses. An unprocessed form of it was used to pave roads. Now it is hard to get. It is still the work of Hercules the Stoker to produce this Philosophical earth from the cheap starting materials.

Good luck on your next run!! Please keep us updated to how it goes..

Andro
08-14-2012, 10:31 PM
I’m getting ready to run again with 20lbs. of the once ubiquitous filthy starting matter that people used to throw out in the garbage heap.
There was a whole profession that made a living getting paid to remove the stuff from peoples’ houses.

Are you referring to Bitumen?

Raw:

http://www.eoearth.org/files/121201_121300/121279/400px-OS_EHP1_LaraSolt_DMN-Corbis.jpg

Refined:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Refined_bitumen.JPG/220px-Refined_bitumen.JPG


An unprocessed form of it was used to pave roads.

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphalt):


Bitumen is the sticky, black and highly viscous liquid or semi-solid present in most crude petroleums and in some natural deposits; it is a substance classed as a pitch.

Until the 20th century, the term asphaltum was also used.

The primary use of asphalt is in road construction, where it is used as the glue or binder mixed with aggregate particles to create asphalt concrete.

Also:


Bitumen is an oil based substance. It is a semi-solid hydrocarbon product produced by removing the lighter fractions (such as liquid petroleum gas, petrol and diesel) from heavy crude oil during the refining process.
As such, it is correctly known as refined bitumen. In North America, bitumen is commonly known as “asphalt cement” or “asphalt”.
While elsewhere, “asphalt” is the term used for a mixture of small stones, sand, filler and bitumen, which is used as a road paving material.
The asphalt mixture contains approximately 5% bitumen. At ambient temperatures bitumen is a stable, semi-solid substance.

SOURCE (http://www.eurobitume.eu/bitumen/what-bitumen)

Nibiru
08-14-2012, 10:39 PM
Are you referring to Bitumen?

If he is it would certainly be very very serendipitous(for me) for it to be mentioned here in this thread! Considering that along with my order of amanitas I recently purchased from the online shamanic supply store, I also received a large order of unrefined shilijit.

z0 K
08-15-2012, 05:50 AM
Are you referring to Bitumen?

Raw:

http://www.eoearth.org/files/121201_121300/121279/400px-OS_EHP1_LaraSolt_DMN-Corbis.jpg

Refined:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Refined_bitumen.JPG/220px-Refined_bitumen.JPG



Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphalt):



Also:



SOURCE (http://www.eurobitume.eu/bitumen/what-bitumen)

That is one source of the starting matter.

It’s what you do with the starting material that makes the difference:

“The Elements shall melt with fervent heat; the Earth also, and the Works that are therein, shall be burnt up, and that there will be a new World, very glorious, excellent and good…There shall happen a destruction of the Elementary World by Fire. Observe in this Art, that the Fire must perform the like in its type in Nature. Therefore, my Son set thy thoughts upon this Water, wherewith the Body of Sol (which, as Rogerius witnesseth, is a perfect created World) is burnt up, and destroyed and dissolved, that it is not a common Fire, in regard the common is not able to burn or destroy the Gold: but it is a supernatural incombustible Fire, the strongest of all Fires, yea a Hellish Fire, which only hath the power to burn the Gold, and to set the same free from its stiff hard bonds.”
[Aurifontina Chymica, Hydropyrographum Hermeticum, page 15]

z0 K

z0 K
08-15-2012, 03:34 PM
Sounds like a symbiotic ourobourous type of experience between you and the spirit of the mushroom. I enjoyed reading this, thanks for sharing :)



I'm sorry for the dumb question, but are you speaking of a "venomous toad" allegorically or literally? I only ask because I am aware that some toads and frogs do contain a natural entheogenic substace that natives extract for spiritual ceremonies. Is this blue spirit that you smelled a liquid or gas?



Good luck on your next run!! Please keep us updated to how it goes..

You're welcome:) There are no dumb questions in the pursuit of knowledge.

I’m not referring to Bufo toad venom. You can get 5-MeO-DMT from a number of plants as well.

Venomous toad is one allegorical description. Black dragon is another:

"Determined to win or to perish, I furiously seized my spear with one hand and the substance in the other and put a sufficient quantity of this latter on the lock. In a little while the lock disappeared entirely and the two leaves of the door to the temple opened with a loud noise. My eyes fell on a fierce dragon who was endowed with an enormous three pointed tongue with which he sought to throw his fatal breath on me. I hurled myself towards him crying out: "When one has lost everything, when one has no more hope, life becomes a disgrace and death a duty."

"He opened his huge jaws to devour me, at which I hurled my spear with all my strength so that it pierced through his throat, deep into his entrails. I tore out his heart and, so that he could not reach me, at the same time, I made crude efforts with the help of my spear to turn away the direction of his head. The monster curled up on himself several times, vomited waves of blood and ceased to exist." [Cyliani, Hermes Unveiled]

The blue spirit is a liquid, gas and salt crystal. Sometimes you think it is alive for it is animated. It has an incredibly low surface tension and can run uphill defying gravity.

"Listen. Gather all your faculties and engrave into your memory what I am going to tell you. At the same time, take a part of my comparisons as figurative, in order that I may be able to make myself understandable to your intelligence."

"Place before your mind an immense space, almost without limits, within which floats this system of worlds composed of suns, of fixed stars, of nebulae, of comets, of planets and satellites, all swimming within the breast of eternity, all within the light of a divine sun whose rays are without limits and you will have some slight notion of the totality of the universe, as well as both the finite and the infinite world."

"This system of worlds and of the Eternal or the sun of divine light are all of the same origin. They have had neither beginning nor will they have an end. The slight changes that certain globes experience changes nothing in the order of the universe."

“I then saw a cloud that seemed to emanate from the centre of the earth. We were wrapped in this cloud and it carried us into the air. We wandered along the seashore on which I noticed small humps. Night came. The sky was covered with stars. We followed the Milky Way, directing ourselves toward the pole star. An extreme cold caught hold of me and brought on a deep sleep. Warmed afterwards, due to the rays of the sun that began to appear on the horizon, I was very astounded on waking up to find myself on the earth and here to notice a temple. The nymph took me by the hand and led me to its entrance.” [Cyliani, Hermes Unveiled]

z0 K

Ghislain
08-16-2012, 03:09 AM
I know you directed your comment towards Soloman, but I'll answer to the best of my ability. They say that ibotenic acid is converted to muscimol at 190f, so it's suggested to dry them in an oven at around 200f. I've not yet experienced any nausia using the tea method I mentioned above, and I've used up to 10g dried caps of fly agaric. I should also mention that the last report that I posted above appears to be from the stronger amanita pantheria variety, as only 5g was consumed. I personally am unaware of another variety of mushroom that has the same appearance as the red and white fly agaric, but I could be wrong so please do the research before attempting to pick any in the wild.

Thanks Nibiru

I shall keep my eye out for some and let you know how I get on.

Ghislain

Nibiru
06-03-2013, 05:44 PM
When me and Solomon Levi met for the first time last year at the St. Louis Zoo we had both brought gifts for one-another, how odd is it that Aminitas are what we had decided upon as our gifts/offerings?? This was without any prior knowledge that gifts would even be exchanged...

LostGnosticOccultum
06-23-2013, 07:01 PM
Last week I ordered 1 oz of dried Amanita muscaria caps and they finally got here yesterday ;)

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Awani
06-23-2013, 07:20 PM
Great. Have fun. My only advice is sit in darkness... have a sitter and no plans for the day after. Also with Amanita make sure you know the dosage. Better to take a weak dose first time, see what happens and then next time take a stronger dose.

:cool:

LostGnosticOccultum
06-23-2013, 07:47 PM
Great. Have fun. My only advice is sit in darkness... have a sitter and no plans for the day after. Also with Amanita make sure you know the dosage. Better to take a weak dose first time, see what happens and then next time take a stronger dose.

:cool:

Thanks for the advice dev
The day after also? and what would you consider a good dosage?
I have a question, would it still have the same effects if i baked a pizza using these mushrooms? I took a very small bite of one yesterday and they are quite tasty :)

Awani
06-23-2013, 08:21 PM
Never done Amanita. Best to consult the Shroomery.

If you have a deep journey it is good to be able to rest and think the day after. No obligations etc.

:cool:

LostGnosticOccultum
06-23-2013, 08:25 PM
Never done Amanita. Best to consult the Shroomery.
Ah I see will do :)


If you have a deep journey it is good to be able to rest and think the day after. No obligations etc.

:cool:
Ah I understand what you mean now thanks for the advice :)