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elixirmixer
04-22-2020, 04:13 AM
I cant help but notice that the big movers and shakers of alchemy around here just kind of rock up, spread their tit-bits all over our screen, congregate with each other behind closed doors and then just leave the rest of us to die in someone else's sin.

You're burning bridges with me here people. Only so much neglect can be tolerated.

I would continue, but, what sounds like nothing less than a huge piece of unidentified machinery just started up in my back yard and i have to check things out.

Uambra
04-22-2020, 03:34 PM
you mean people in this forum, elixirmixer? (Sorry for asking, sometimes my English is not well enough to get the undertone right.)

I would be quite sad if you would totally withdraw from the forum. :( (I still hoped to maybe do some Astrology together with you some day ...)

Schmuldvich
04-22-2020, 06:26 PM
The only thing the "movers and shakers" can ever stir up is the people around here. What do you think they discuss with each other when they "congregate with each other behind closed doors"?

Not a single person on this forum has publicly displayed that they have accomplished anything whatsoever worthwhile, therefore all they can do is shake up those around here who think by sticking around long enough someone will help them out, share more than others before them have done, or spill the beans; this is exactly how armchair Alchemy enthusiasts gain their knowledge. The actual Alchemy community doesn't work like that.

You have a good heart, EM. Your yearning is sincere, but this yearning is misguided, and it is immensely overshadowed by personal obstacles in your life that you must overcome before proceeding into the realm of Initiates.

No one is going to give you anything until you show consistent unwaivering dedicated focus, develop maturity, and display a level of understanding that resonates with those who do understand.

alfr
04-22-2020, 08:16 PM
Not a single person on this forum has publicly displayed that they have accomplished anything whatsoever worthwhile,.

elixirmixer e
Schmuldvich

NOW Schmuldvich I totally agree each one is only locked up in his garden of vainglory made up of absolutely nothing and all and that in the hardest moments that all humanity is going through the little useless individual selfishness prevails and instead of uniting as a single body putting assists knowledge and I try to collectively help the uninhabited sufferer instead the usual selfishness based on nothing prevails and once again the true alchemical and rc mandate is prevailed by narrow individual selfishness based on nothing of nothing

NOW elixirmixer

dear elixirmixer do not worry if you a good person do not worry rnon lose nothing if not boasting false inventions and vain glory made of pure nothing therefore continues undeterred on your path of research and experimentation (elixirmixer if you are already on the right track,so dear persevere, study, experiment and the first arcane of true alchemy and not as they of boasting of having obtained stones and elixirs all fake and all invention and never of yhey have say this never never any of any established it NEVER (so much their false and closed boastings and pseudo secrets will soon be supplanted and swept away by true alchemical knowledge that soon pandemic permitting will be disclosed with an international step by step disclosure)

SO dear elixirmixer persevere, study, experiment and alchemy will open up to you) and always keeping your very magnificent values ​​firmly fixed and firm for help and solidarity and dear elixirmixer you will see that knowledge will come because these very magnificent values ​​of yours are worth more than the others, made up of many boastfulness and falsehood and individualism and narrow selfishness
a warm hug elixirmixer

Awani
04-22-2020, 09:20 PM
Like I've said a plenty of times, it depends on what you view the Stone to be and how you view alchemy. To me it's more of a philosophy, or an outlook rather, that is very helpful in building a model of reality/self and healing (body and/or mind) - this can be done both with lab work and without (or with both). This might not be what the original alchemists intended - according to some contemporary alchemists... or it could be exactly what it was. For me I go by the simple rule: if it works it works

Any notion of a "stone" that turns shit into gold... well I doubt that ever existed... and if that was the "true" purpose of alchemy I would have never become interested in it. If the claim is immortality I believe that more, could be possible but "why"? Sounds pretty useless to me, more like a curse.

If you can't find your "own" alchemy, and if you can't find anything that works, then go elsewhere. The only path worth walking is the one you carve out yourself.

:p

Seraphim
04-22-2020, 09:32 PM
Hopefully if someone truly has the Stone they will share it and/or their knowledge and do something to help others because this place is a fucking shit show.

Dendritic Xylem
04-22-2020, 11:40 PM
Hopefully if someone truly has the Stone they will share it and/or their knowledge and do something to help others because this place is a fucking shit show.

What if real Alchemy could be used to make a bomb that rivals atomic weapons? Think quantum weapons. What if the technology creates large doses of toxic radiation using extremely common household items? Would you still be eager to freely disseminate recipes and concepts openly to the public? Hopefully not. It would be extremely dangerous and irresponsible.

Alchemy is as much about the journey as it is the destination. You are supposed to reach conclusions through experiments and conceptualization of Nature....not seeking free handouts from those who have put in years or decades of work to reach their level of knowledge. Adepts aren't keeping info from you because they're greedy, but because they don't want to rob you of the important individualistic journey which is required.

Humanity isn't entitled to infinite knowledge. It has to be earned by those willing to work for it. You can forge private friendships over the years, but don't expect a positive response to whiny demands or psychological prodding. You have to bring something to the table also...and not just speculative forum posts or readily available hearsay.

Seraphim
04-23-2020, 01:49 AM
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alfr
04-23-2020, 09:01 AM
Hi Xylem dendritico ok I'm sorry BUT WE CAN'T ABSOLUTELY AGREE WHIT YOU

this vision of alchemy is only or very little informed or totally ridiculous and does not deserve much comparison or response but in any case we once again explain a few things to better clarify the true positions (as we have always said and repeated in various posts ) NOW this is ridiculous the shits of the sim / nwo already have the knowledge therefore these not only ridiculous saws never heard for example talk of adrenocromo regenerative drug etc etc and elit ... and that of alchemy etc elit also has much more therefore wake up but if you do not know, then it is only to people who suffer that knowledge and help is denied exactly as we always say in our posts

2 fire and electricity radio waves radio waves radioactivity etc etc etc (as already said in other posts) sure they are weapons certainly and they kill if used badly sure but they have also created development and advancement of all humanity these are ridiculous saws and laughing well well and very loudly in the face of those who think so and want to keep the secret without always wanting to discuss or discuss with them how it is used to us we only deal with well-established and well-demonstrated series of operations and only if openness is mutual and total otherwise, as always, we are absolutely not interested in the comparison
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NOW on what we say only for the so-called selfish alchemists and that we think we are only the holders of the so-called secret that the party is now over for them forever and thanks (as we have always said and repeated in various posts) to a series of targeted disclosure as has already happened in france etc on fulcanelli etc etc the vati operational texts disclosed of the solar alchemy of the cfio and also in part texts on the sm rhoend etc etc (and on what as always we refer to our various posts)

Disclosures that will further reveal the true alchemical keys the lords opsolets of the defense of secrecy to the bitter end only know that from this simple event they will be very simply put among the old tools and thrown into the attic and into oblivion of history
and that at European level etc is already happening with regard to the so secret operation of the loggia fulcanelli group
thanks to various targeted disclosure operations which have already started (as we said in our posts) etc see fulcanell disclosure etc operation which is well underway and now pandemic allowing work to be completed soon
an operation that as we have always said will include the disclosure of unpublished and original manuscripts with explanations of the serious true alchemical operational steps and not the usual bales made of nothing and of boasting and antics of the alchemical solons that often turn

and this operation will now be completed with a precise disclosure program based on real explicit keys based on the explanation of ancient manuscripts well explained and contextualized historically and well spiked operationally and after this will happen of the great alchemists protectors of the secrets of nothing and bragging owners of stones and nonexistent elixirs of them of their arrogance and their selfish alchemical closure nothing will exist anymore and a loud laugh will forget them all


Les-clefs-du-laboratory alchimique ed. dr faust is in pdf

NOW news on disclosure here are the facts and here with this text by our French friend and ally Les-clefs-du-laboratore alchimique and dr faust as you will have seen and learned that it has been divulged in france in detinitively in this handwritten text the secrets are explained operating of various laboratory routes revealed via fulcanell and not the usual empty promises and words blah blah blah

Les-clefs-du-laboratory alchimique and dr faust
and the laboratory diary of doctor emmerit on the via di fulcanelli dujol laboratory work carried out by dr emmerit under the instructions of coton alvart / dujol in the years 26 September 1937 to 25 August 1948

and this text of targeted disclosure on the fulcanelli and his school made our allies for example has swept away all the solons and "masters" lol lol trombones and trumpets of the way of fulcanell because in france and as you will have all seen and known the program of targeted and thoughtful and explained disclosure has already largely wiped out all the boast and hot air balloons in France as well as the various pseudo masters who declared themselves the owners and only dispensers of the Fulcanell school with trobones and trumpets and this targeted disclosure action has definitely wiped out the useless soloneries of the school of fulcanelli, considered by many to be secret for a long time lol lol lol
and so finally in france after this priceless edition finally it was possible to shed a real light and also a serious demystification on this very secret school and finally after the edition of doctor faust of the laboratory diaries of doctor emnerit written by him in the years 26 September 1937 to August 25, 1948

NOW finally on the operation of the school of fulcanelli there is now clarity and the secret is definitely finished other than bales and antics and so thanks to our French allies the mouth is permanently closed forever (with these original and extremely clear operational documents published by school of fulcanelli / dujol) and mouth closed also forever
I know but I don't say it to lol lol lol and to those who say and hold the secret of this school and do not want to divulge it lol lol lol here on what is said to be an operation concluded objective hit and sunk
BUT sure because those who arrogato solone of these schools and buffoons there were many and the main Frenchman now dead was just a skilled jester in the laboratory but that his skill and fame was based on well-described experiments with very precise and detailed operations much described in the laboratory notebooks of dr emmerit (as we already told you and we anticipated in other posts) notebooks of dr
notebooks of dr emmerit that were in fact kept by this french solone ..

dr emmerit who was direct disciple of coton alvart disciple of dujol who as we all knew were high level members of the fulcanelli lodge and now after this targeted and contextualized disclosure as you can read in the publication of our french allied aniseed and therefore now secret stop just read the diaries and simply seriously work on the sulfur of the iron which must marry with the antimony r in the diaries that is explained in detail how to do and then concretize the remora or return button and everything is extremely clear and very well explained in those operational diaries And in those operational diaries are the results well explained? "alchemical" obtained from that school of fulcanelli other than the boasted of the usual bales of cialtroni and buffoons invented for dozens of years

but also in front of the incontrovertible truth and the secrets of the operation of the via di fulcanelli now revealed with the publication of diaries of doctor emmerit

BUT the funny and tragic and that many imbeciles of French pseudo alchemists dethroned lol lol and expropriated with this targeted disclosure of the laboratory operating diaries of the Fulcanelli school of their little one keeping the secret is that they make the edition of these operational diaries disappear. and hiding them and from imbeciles as such they are and still avoid mentioning them but this further their arrogance and arrogance will be further swept away simply with the increase in editions and a more widespread diffusion of the diaries of the fulcanell school of dr emmerit years from 26 September 1937 to August 25, 1948

NOW
and now soon also on other routes and schools eg Parisian Christopher etc tec and finally also in various parts of the world after other disclosures of unpublished manuscripts explained in the operational details now it will finally be possible to reason all from this on true alchemical bases we will all begin to confront each other on real unpublished manuscripts well explained by the same famous ancient masters of whom so much is blatant and played and so finally they will not endure with real original cards on the table and disclosed to all the useless cumbersome blah blah blah of the know but I don't say

And finally with the disclosure of these unpublished operational manuscripts of Parisian Christophers etc etc etc (as we have always said and repeated in various posts) finally we start talking about serious alchemy and real philosophical steps to make and obtain the philodophic material finally with the real ones the manuscripts of the masters in front will reveal the creation of the various fountains or philosophical waters sine qua non and finally the most alchemical steps they take made by the alchemist to make the matter truly philosophical are always accessible and well stocked in certain areas of the kingdoms of nature and the ancients knew well how philosophically they always dispose of it in large quantities and in a very copious form of it and through a chaos created artfully obtaining it copiously and how then from our green "grapes" to build themselves and from these rare grapes then obtain through specific and particular artifices and ma nipulations of art quite another
and so understood and read we will all finally talk and study the alchemical arcana with finally the texts explained by the ancients and finally without veils and useless and secret opsolets we will talk about true alchemy that is this and who knows (even here in the forum who still does the oopsolet and outdated paladin and defender at all costs of the secret lol lol lol lol
he knows very well that it is so) that it is so and finally in front of the truth of the handwritten texts of the ancients we will throw in the garbage all the antics and boastery that run
*this of the demystification and revelation opration of the secrets of the fulcanelli opration as seen above was just a mere example of how the targeted dissemination program will always and permanently relegate to the attic and to the oblivion of history many beautiful secret holders
and the same thing will soon happen with other disclosures of future original manuscripts where the real steps to make and create real philosophical matter and the real alchemical first steps for the philosophical manipulation of the matters real and indispensable steps for alchemy other than the usual and cloying bales will be explained pranks and antics that are heard in pseudo alchemical environments
from these untraceable original manuscripts contextualized and step by step explained finally we will start talking about true alchemy and true alchemical secrets
and finally reading these precious manuscripts (and in this regard read the advances made in our posts)

SO everyone will finally begin to finally talk about the true alchemy and the true creation of the first matter that obtained it goes beyond the physical and chemical laws nb matter that compared to the postulates of chemistry and physics you will see that having obtained it behaves in a totally different way because in these manuscripts that will be disclosed there are the serious steps of alchemy from which to seriously start other than the boasted antics of inventions of creations and non-existent achievements then we will leave the antics to the buffoons and finally based on the explained manuscripts of the masters then we will seriously talk about first real alchemical steps and the various buffoons and braggart of nothing will be overwhelmed by a loud laugh and so now you just have to wait

and with all these arrogant and opsolete secret holders we all have a lot of fun closing our mouths well laughing at them well in the face laughing loudly on their arrogance and arrogance of theirs alone they hold and dispense if and in their judgment and notice the alchemical secret because as they say everyone will see that the king is naked

and finally let aside antics and boastfulness we will talk about the true foundations that have always been kept by the various solons, that is, the real matter and the true philosophical manipulations to be done on it in alchemy and you will understand it by reading unpublished manuscripts kept as secret as in alchemy if this is not done and this is not achieved, the rest is not alchemy and nothing can be accomplished in alchemy and the boastings and antics are only to be demonstrated and it is not alchemy but we wait for the original manuscripts to speak so much, there is little missing and then we have fun and we laugh at great and

SO finally we will talk about true alchemy

Regards

Illen A. Cluf
04-23-2020, 02:52 PM
Dear friend, alf. Thank you for the information about some important documents related to the "disclosure" that you have mentioned for years. I think that if discussions about the disclosure documents are to happen, then they should also be released in other languages, particularly English, which most people understand.

You mentioned "Les Clefs du Laboratore", which I was able to find. But where can one find the document you mentioned by "Dr. Faust"? Or is that the same document?

alfr
04-23-2020, 07:30 PM
Hello dear friend Illen A. Cluf
NOW
for the Les-clefs-du-laboratory alchimique and dr faust pdf therefore there is a lot of sabotage as well as there is on all the published texts and they are made to disappear a little badly we will intensify circulation of publications and widespread distinctions
by translation instead into other languages ​​we are organizing

but if you want I put the pdf but unfortunately now do it now me it's a big problem I tried but I can't attach it and I should study how and unfortunately time to do this now I just don't have it because here in Italy we are all organizing hard events and heavy even with the use of adequate force against the closure and house arrest that the government now of Chinese pro-dictatorship orientation imposed on all Italians for dictatorship through the program of the nwo corona virus fake pandenia or the nwo program and the compulsory implantation of the nano vacino to the virus that in the following phase will have the obligation of the pseudo sanitary micro cip of their beautiful servant bil gates and everything from these verni of the nwo is already in progress

and here here in Italy many people are opposing us hard and are organizing us more and more to oppose us hard and frontally also with our use of the mold and with all the means of just violence that will be necessary for all this aberrant disgusting program of the nwo

and therefore if now in Italy they do not open immediately there will be serious clashes in the streets and we are all engaged now in the organizations of these riots and insurrections in the squares because very soon if they do not remove the house arrest obliged by the Italian Chinese government
many on the street will soon arise and therefore we are all doing so together with a vast network of rebellion here in Italy that the squares will soon ignite and with the use of just violence will arise and the ultimatum to the Italian government with Chinese pro a whole series of targeted actions clashes and barricades raised in some sitta and streets has already been sent

And therefore for these very pressing serious commitments now I cannot now put for everyone in our forum and without costs the pdf of the Les-clefs-du-laboratory alchimique and dr faust and the laboratory diary of doctor emmerit on the via di fulcanelli dujol laboratory work carried out by dr emmerit under the instructions of coton alvart / dujol in the years 26 September 1937 to 25 August 1948

but dear friend I propose one thing I send you the pdf to you and you however send it to the whole group if you agree we do so send your email pm box of the forum I never support you so I send you the pdf and you put it for all the monster forun ok?
regard

ok prosta? I send to you and you put it for everyone in our forum

Illen A. Cluf
04-23-2020, 08:00 PM
Hello again dear friend alfr. Just to clarify, how many documents are you referring to? It's not clear if you are referring to one, two or several.

I did find the pdf document to "Les Cles du Labora-T-Ore alchimique". It can be found here for free:


https://editionsphilomene.wordpress.com/


However, I'm not sure exactly which OTHER documents you are referring to.

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Ciao ancora caro amico Alfredo. Solo per chiarire, a quanti documenti ti riferisci? Non è chiaro se ti riferisci a uno, due o più.

Ho trovato il documento pdf di "Les Cles du Labora-T-Ore alchimique". Può essere trovato qui gratuitamente:


https://editionsphilomene.wordpress.com/


Tuttavia, non sono sicuro di quali altri documenti ti riferisci.

alfr
04-23-2020, 08:48 PM
Hello again dear friend alfr. Just to clarify, how many documents are you referring to? It's not clear if you are referring to one, two or several.

I did find the pdf document to "Les Cles du Labora-T-Ore alchimique". It can be found here for free:


https://editionsphilomene.wordpress.com/


However, I'm not sure exactly which OTHER documents you are referring to.

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Ciao ancora caro amico Alfredo. Solo per chiarire, a quanti documenti ti riferisci? Non è chiaro se ti riferisci a uno, due o più.

Ho trovato il documento pdf di "Les Cles du Labora-T-Ore alchimique". Può essere trovato qui gratuitamente:


https://editionsphilomene.wordpress.com/


Tuttavia, non sono sicuro di quali altri documenti ti riferisci.


yes dear friend llen A. Cluf
the text Les Cles du Labora-T-Ore alchimique
yes it is this that is the operational diary of dr emmerit and is on the fulcaneli school with all the operating instructions as you will see reading it for now on the fulcanelli school operational diary of dr emmerit there is only 1 and as you will see he demystifies all this very much we are really happy that a site has put it on line as the French explained to us our allies many forum sites etc had sabotaged it and made it disappear

excellent that someone puts it on the internet really excellent magnificent excellent beautiful excellent

regard

Dendritic Xylem
04-23-2020, 09:45 PM
Thanks for sharing alfr. Here's a rough english translation from google...

https://pdfhost.io/v/0UEPLcDf3_LesClefsduLaboraTorepdf.pdf

Michael Sternbach
04-23-2020, 10:21 PM
There can be a various reasons why alchemical researchers would keep their insights secret or express them only in veiled language, not all of which are very honourable. Let me have a go at summarizing them...

1) They want to keep them exclusively for themselves or for their followers, so they would have a monopole and can feel special having it. And sure enough, knowledge is power...

2) They don't fully understand themselves what they are talking about. This might be because what they are referring to is a work in progress, and in areas they lack practical experience they see fit to substitute somewhat vague speculations for it.

3) They are using a terminology that is in fact quite lucid to those that have come the same way. To illustrate: Have you ever looked into a book about advanced quantum mechanics? You will find it to be replete with mathematical formulas! Only here and there may you come across a sentence that the layman could make some sense of. But all you need to know is the language of mathematics - and the text will be perfectly comprehensible to you!

4) With Alchemy in particular we have the additional difficulty that it is based on concepts of natural philosophy that are not exactly on vogue today. However, the ancient authors took it for granted that those who would delve into their books were well versed in that Platonic/Aristotelian/Hermetic world view that seems so foreign to us today - unless we make it the subject of a long and special study! Some of the contemporary authors may still feel at home in that model of the world - for must of us, some kind of bridges need to be built.

5) Genuine concern that their knowledge could do harm in the hands of the wrong people. Well, today there already is the knowledge of how to destroy the whole world in the hands of people that, personally, I wouldn't even entrust my bike to. Along with plenty of other scientific information whose application is wrecking havoc our world today. And much of modern science has evolved from what has been the domain of Alchemy once, minus the spiritual context the latter existed in. Maybe some of the Alchemists of days gone by saw that coming and tried to warn their contemporaries. Bear with me, I will come back to that topic in a moment...

Alright. To be fair, maybe some of the secret science that Alchemy proper is based on could be misused and have destructive effects. (The lost world of Atlantis is believed by some to have been destroyed by the misapplication of occult powers.)

However, the Alchemical texts as such rarely talk about the creation of weapons and the like! They mostly have the Philosopher's Stone as their subject, whose miraculous effects they describe as:


Turning base metals into gold. Obviously, if how to do that was general knowledge, gold would quickly become so common that it would lose its value. Which would be quite annoying if you happened to have lots of it yourself, or, for that matter, knew how to make it! - Which brings us back to 1), obviously.
Also, the currencies we are using today are based on gold, at least in theory. Seems like much of the money printed by governments is actually no longer backed up by anything, though.
Healing any illness. Wave the coronavirus goodbye once and for all! Along with cancer, heart disease, any form of nerve degeneration, STDs... You name it! Psychological traumas and ailments as well, I suppose. Imagine a world of healthy, happy people! Hey, sounds just like the kind of place I would want to live in! :o
Making people immortal. Ok, I can see how that could lead to certain practical problems if it occurred on big enough a scale (along with foregoing agenda item!). It goes without saying that many of our cities are pretty overpopulated already, and sources of energy to sustain them are becoming increasingly less available. Not to mention 'clean' ones. So we would have to find some new solutions - quick!


But here is the thing: We will have to do that no matter what! And Hermetic knowledge has great potential to help us with that in so many ways. Yes, maybe some of it could indeed be used in negative ways. But it is mostly the type of "science without soul" that has long abandoned its Hermetic roots which is responsible for so much of the damage we are constantly doing to our environment and to ourselves.

A revised form of Hermetism (and that includes Alchemy) - shared quite openly - may be just what we need in order to fix some of that damage and find better solutions to the problems we are facing today. (In that regard, Anthroposophy - which to some degree is based on the Hermetic teachings - is a step in the right direction.)

Hey, there is so much to do... Let's get on with it! :)

Illen A. Cluf
04-24-2020, 12:36 AM
So @elixirmixer and @seraphim, perhaps you can find some of the answers you were looking for in the above document ;-)

If not, new questions to ponder over and/or discuss are even better.

elixirmixer
04-24-2020, 09:52 AM
I suppose I should be grateful for another 120 pages of endless metaphors that probably has some sweet, one liner somewhere in the middle. I pray that my senses arnt completely worn down to the bones once I get there, that I don't accidently pass it by as just more meaningless dribble.

I don't even read this stuff anymore. It's actually become a little painful actually.

My alchemical ambition was to use ancient knowledge to help people. And it's become very clear that there are many more effective ways to do that than Alchemy. I could chase my tale down these rabbit holes forever and still never get anything tangible from it at all.

I will trial a few more practical applications to test the theories I currently value, I'm no longer interested in pompous philosophy. If it's not doing anyone any good then for all its wise words it's no wisdom at all.

Uambra
04-24-2020, 03:09 PM
yeah, I really understand what you are talking about! It's frustrating to read hundreds of pages and finding something here and there which is valuable for yourself. I am reading the Corpus Hermeticum right now and I am experiencing this too. Some chapters are very beautiful and inspiring, but most of them (I read half of it now, so can't say anything about the other half) just tell the same stuff I know already from other mystical paths. And I don't like it, so it makes me angry, then I laugh about it, then I am bored, then angry again. So I am aksing myself: why am I even doing this? I have some answers to this, which give me the patience and the fun to stick to it until I reach my goals.

So if your only ambition was and is to help other people, then alchemy isn't the best approach, I agree with you in this point. I don't believe in the existence of any universal medicine or whatever Alchemy is promising about goldmaking and the like. For me Alchemy is just one possible way of finding spiritual paths which lead you deeper into yourself, into some specific understanding of both the spiritual and the material world. You don't need Alchemy for this, there are other ways too. But for me Alchemy has much beauty - besides many ideologies I really don't like. *lol* I know I won't stick to Alchemy for the rest of my life, but right now some pieces of my private great puzzle are connecting to each other, providing another step into the direction I want to go.

So I believe, if you don't have a strong desire to go the paths of Alchemy for your own spiritual growth or for exploring them for some other kind of deep understanding, it will be a dead end road for you sooner or later. Finding your own paths of life is always a kind of research. And research can be very hard and frustrating, sometimes even boring (which is the worst case for me). So it's better to find something you really love deep inside. Then you will have the strength to do all the frustrating efforts to find your gold or your philosopher's stone. If your heart is not burning for Alchemy, I would search for something else!

Kibric
04-24-2020, 10:57 PM
Some people share what they can and their experiences, some don't. No one can really give practical experience, you have to try for yourself.
You can't have it as a hobby and expect results. Its a practical grind like most jobs.
Success like with most things requires persistence.

Illen A. Cluf
04-24-2020, 11:01 PM
Just out of curiosity, @elixirmixer and @uambra, how many years have you intensely studied and practiced alchemy? Not when you became interested, but when you actually started immersing in it deeply and passionately?

elixirmixer
04-24-2020, 11:45 PM
Interested 15 years ago, started immersing about 7, coming on 8 years. With breaks though when the failures become to painful. I suppose you could fit my fulltime alchemy experience into 2 years of fulltime work.

Illen A. Cluf
04-25-2020, 01:25 AM
Interested 15 years ago, started immersing about 7, coming on 8 years. With breaks though when the failures become to painful. I suppose you could fit my fulltime alchemy experience into 2 years of fulltime work.

Then don't be too discouraged yet. I've been actively pursuing alchemy for twenty years and still haven't found the secret. Nobody has passed the ultimate secret on to me, although there have been very helpful people over the years. I'm also not a member of any clique they may have here behind closed doors. But that doesn't bother me. I have few expectations from others, so it's difficult to feel discouragement.

And don't let a couple hundred pages of reading discourage you. I've read 10-20 thousand pages or more of alchemical text - books, articles, forums, treatises, and continue to enjoy reading them. It's the journey itself that has taught me much about many different related matters.

I had a friend who studied and practiced alchemy intensely since a young man, and he continued this until his 80's. He never found the ultimate secret either, but was quite knowledgeable and humble, and he remained cheerful and encouraged until he passed away.

So I continue to research read, study and practice, mostly on my own, but also with a few valuable friends that I have met along the way, because it is something I enjoy. If I become discouraged, I only have myself to blame.

All we can do is help each other when we find something that has been useful to us, or share some ideas that may be of interest to others.

I really don't think there are many who know the ultimate secret of alchemy. There may be none today for all I know. I do know that there are many who like to pretend that they know much more than they actually do.

Yet there are others, very generous people, like alf, who constantly go out of their way to share valuable information and links, even if some are not appreciative.

elixirmixer
04-25-2020, 07:08 AM
I haven't given up performing Alchemy. Just in reading about it. For you it's about the Journey. For me it is a means to an end. And that end is freedom. It is not a journey of growth it is a sacrifice of survival for those who come after me. This is not an armchair it is a war-zone.

I admit, I envy those who poses the solvent. A hard thing to admit I've never really felt envy before, but I should admit it. That I'm envious. Because I know how to use the solvent. I know what to do with it to bring myself freedom. But I don't have it. Out of all the materials in the world it is the only thing that I can't just buy. And this disease that haunts my soul wouldn't budge an inch for anything less than it. I strive and strive and I will continue to strive but not in the way the way that you do. Because, to study the grand art, and never taste her fruits, is not an option I am willing to take.

And so, I have once again, invested all I have, into a new design, to create the secret solvent. It could, as usual, all be for naught.. And if fact, this time, seems likely to be quite dangerous (yippie) but nevertheless, my soul is draw to this substance. For better or for worse u quite literally don't even want to live in a world that doesn't yield it to me, if not for those that depend on me.

And I know of many ways that the lads around here work, and gather the solvent slowly over time and much labour but I grow tired of the burden of such methods and I want it pure and delicate. I want to SEE the spirit, I want to taste it. I want to know her, just as well as she knows me and I won't read about it anymore. What a taunt, what a tease, what a way to live in insanity, to long for something all your life and never embrace it.

The general mode of manifestation is known by me. The difficulties had by others are not ones that I wish to endure myself either which is why I have waited so long before I finally decided to move forward with my design. This apparatus that I am now in the process of building is somewhere in the vicinity of $3500 if you consider everything involved. Simple in its design, many people have achieved the same thing with far less cost but I intend to make this a highly repeatable process one that I can test and change variables and trial many times over until I find what works best.

I grow tired. Tired of the vanity of humanity. Tired of the self-righteous beliefs of those considered 'wise'. Tired of the ignorant and worst still those who are awakened that still live in their ignorance (such as myself). The world deserved better from us. It deserves better from me. But I age. And if I am to give the world the best of myself then I must first heal which means making the solvent. And I've read the books, they confuse me and bring doubt into my mind. I've lost a taste for them all together. Certainly had I been more diligent and organised and cross referenced the absolute hell out of everything like some of our wise friends here have then it might be different, but it's no matter now I don't have the time to do that even if I wanted to.

As far as I can tell, while there is reading involved in Alchemy, those around here who have gained the secrets have spent just as much time with their hands in their labs as they did their noses in the books. It is not enough to read, you must learn through experience what works and what doesn't otherwise you could one day stubble over the secret and then one day forget about it, having never known for a lack of trial.

Illen A. Cluf
04-25-2020, 02:58 PM
For you it's about the Journey. For me it is a means to an end.

What is the end you are looking for?

elixirmixer
04-25-2020, 10:14 PM
Healing.

Illen A. Cluf
04-25-2020, 11:39 PM
Healing.

For yourself, or others?

elixirmixer
04-26-2020, 12:35 AM
Ill tell you exactly what i would do if i had the stone Illen. I would pay my debts, heal myself, set up the infrastructure to make more, gather together about 50k in cash, and then take a road trip around to australia to all the children with terminal illness. I would explain to their parents that i cannot tell them who i am, and i cannot take any accountability (or credit) for whats about to happen, but if they like, they can use the stone to save their child. and i would rinse and repeat that until i was old and grey, with probably 3 months off a year to work on a little self sufficent homestead for my own children, where i would teach them how to grow their own food and programme computers and blacksmith and any other sills they needed to become creators of their own dream.

That is exactly what i would do. Healing for me, my family, and any sick children that i can find (for free). And possibly, in certain cases, young mothers who are dying. I would imagine aswell that as time went on, I would get more secretive about how i operated,

elixirmixer
04-26-2020, 12:37 AM
I would also identify other souls who were worthy of carrying the stone and performing the same work as i am, and i would visit those people in person and teach them how to make the stone so as to multiply the work.

black
04-26-2020, 01:37 AM
I would also identify other souls who were worthy of carrying the stone and performing the same work as i am, and i would visit those people in person and teach them how to make the stone so as to multiply the work.

What would qualify us to be worthy of carrying The Stone and performing
the same work as you ?

Illen A. Cluf
04-26-2020, 02:18 AM
would pay my debts, heal myself, set up the infrastructure to make more, gather together about 50k in cash, and then take a road trip around to australia to all the children with terminal illness.

Would you do this because it comes straight from the heart to do so, or would you do it so that you would feel "special" and elevated? Does it have to be through alchemy, or could you become a doctor, or nurse or medical technician, or dietician, or homeopath, etc.?

elixirmixer
04-26-2020, 02:51 AM
To qualify (in my eyes) there would be a willingness to carry on the work, and an integrity that could show that you are not a greedy person who could be consumed by the potential for infinite wealth. To be honest Mr. Black you were the first person I had in mind so, don't stress, if i ever rock up at your door then rest assured that it would mean good things.

Illen, I have always lived for the purpose to assist humanity in some way, and not in the general sense, such as a doctor might occasionally do when their not drugging up children and teenagers or taking away peoples human rights the moment they walk into a hospital. No, my ideals are much larger. To create a real and lasting positive impact of peoples lives, which is why i chose to practise alchemy in the first place because i felt like the worlds most powerful medicines lay hid in the secrets of Alchemy. I'm already special, and feel (i wouldn't say elevated) but awakened. I dont need the stone to feel like that.

I believe in a God. And i believe that my reward for dedicating my life to the assistance of those who terribly need it will either be a satisfying and fulfilling death. One that i can... live with... :cool:

... or perhaps another calling might arise (after proving myself by selflessly healing many people) I live to serve my master. A master that I have by choice, not by force. And ill do what need's be done.

But.. of course... im getting lost in the grandeur again... i am currently barely able to help myself and certainly of little use to others. If anything i'm a burden on my wife and mother while i am a lowly uni-student, and the stone is plenty far off if it ever does come at all. So no need to really discuss this senselessness...

but to answer your question Illen, i took up alchemy all those years ago because i believed it would empower me to empower others. Nothing has changed. And i wouldn't say its from the heart. Its more my Spirit. My heart just wants to sit in an isolated spot out in the country side with good weather, clean water, a lifetimes supply of micro-greens and resources, and watch my daughter dance to the sound of the flute and oboe while my son forges beautiful handcrafted swords made from meteorites and other exotic materials which i later enchant with the power of the planetary energies. Learn to OBE on command. Live an isolated and hermetic life with my kids. Thats my heart. But the choice to sacrifice lifes pleasures in exchange for spiritual honor was made long ago. and remains.

Illen A. Cluf
04-26-2020, 03:39 AM
Well you have good intentions, elixirmixer, and I hope that a way will open up for you. Just follow your heart and have patience.

black
04-26-2020, 04:04 AM
Thank you Mr. Mixer

Looking forward to hearing that knock on my door.

I pray The Force that you receive guidance for the Highest Good.

Schmuldvich
04-26-2020, 04:28 AM
We're all rooting for ya, EM! Keep your head up and stay focused on your goal.

elixirmixer
04-26-2020, 06:27 AM
Well I'm glad because the new design has got every chance to badly injure me so I'm going to need all the good vibes I can get!

This design uses powerful magnets. Quite a few, big, chunky, magnets.. what could possibly go wrong? :cool:

Andro
04-26-2020, 07:29 AM
That is exactly what i would do. Healing for me, my family, and any sick children that i can find (for free). And possibly, in certain cases, young mothers who are dying.
So men are excluded from elixirmixer's national health care program? Along with dying women who are not mothers?

elixirmixer
04-26-2020, 08:22 AM
Well, realistically i just cannot help everyone can I. I have to draw the line somewhere and I draw it at anything beyond children. If i were to save a mother, it would be for the sake of the children that need her.

In saying this, this is what I will be actively trying to accomplish, is helping children. If dying men and women happen to find me and have the faith to be healed, then certainly i wouldn't refuse anyone.

Im open to better ideas, there does need to be some limits, i havent set those limits in 'stone' yet, i havent given it much thought but terminal ill children who are dying due to no fault of their own seem to be the best number 1 priority to me at this stage. Perhaps if i were able to find a number of reliable helpers that wished to participate in this work then we could do an area by area thing and limit it to anyone who has fallen terminally ill through no fault of their own...

I suppose having to make the difficult division of who to help and who not to help would be a lot better then not having to worry about it at all.

Uncle Scrooge
04-26-2020, 11:40 AM
When you do find the secret solvent, you'll have a good laugh because life is a divine comedy.

elixirmixer
04-26-2020, 01:11 PM
I noticed you removed your other comments about Satanic fellows using children as bait for profits...

Anyway... as I said Uncle Scrooge, I'm aware of how a few others decide to work, but transmuting the mineral realm is not my main goal. And the way you have chosen to work is specified to the mineral realm and I wouldn't at all recommend consuming it. It would be nice to have a few gold bars around but what I'm really looking for is the spirit in its pure form, to be used in any kingdom I choose. Really the greatest gift I can think of would be the true Volatized Salts of Tartar, capable of making the true Primus Ens Melissa. This Ens is my real goal, and the white stone also to enhance my psychic abilities. Gold is just to keep the greedy at arms length and to put fuel in the car to go and visit my other alchemists friends. Might make a nice wand one day but other than that is pretty useless to me.

Uncle Scrooge
04-26-2020, 01:30 PM
Have you made the common Primum Ens Melissa, the one that's green? What was your experience with it?

I was just thinking about making it with the green lion and see what happens and you mentioned it. Sometimes I think you have psychic abilities.

Anyone know if you can make the Primum Ens Melissa with the green lion?

elixirmixer
04-26-2020, 09:37 PM
You are again assuming that I know what you're talking about when you start using decknames. There are so many decks around here, it's like being at a Pokemon trading card game expo. You'll have to be more specific, but as a general rule, noice never read anything about using the green lion in the Ens.

The general idea of the Ens is to make an alkali extraction, which kind of suggests extracting the DNA of the plant. And then, by the fact that the miraculous results of the end has not been reported in centuries I have assumed that it is not a regular salt of potash used, but one that is imbibed with the Spirit. So is essence, the Ens is the DNA of the making all plant infused with the Spirit of the world. Pretty cool if you think about it.

black
04-27-2020, 01:58 AM
Have you made the common Primum Ens Melissa, the one that's green? What was your experience with it?

Interesting questions Uncle Scrooge, I would like to hear more.

Have you made the common Primum Ens Melissa ?

And if so what was your experience with it?

Also if you have made the Primum Ens Melissa, the one that's green what
extraction medium did you use ?

Uambra
04-27-2020, 02:16 PM
Just out of curiosity, @elixirmixer and @uambra, how many years have you intensely studied and practiced alchemy? Not when you became interested, but when you actually started immersing in it deeply and passionately?

I have started going deeper into Alchemy just a few weeks ago, but I am into mysticism and magick for almost 35 years. Why do you ask?

Michael Sternbach
04-27-2020, 04:03 PM
I have started going deeper into Alchemy just a few weeks ago, but I am into mysticism and magick for almost 35 years. Why do you ask?

So you got into Alchemy a few weeks ago, and you already made the Philosopher's Stone?!

Uambra
04-27-2020, 04:05 PM
what? I never claimed to have made the stone. *lol*

Uambra
04-27-2020, 04:29 PM
@elixirmixer, as far as I understand then, Alchemy is your choice, your path you want to go to reach your goal. That's great! :cool:

The deck names are just a certain kind of terminology, so to say. As far as I learned until today they are not only used for chemical processes, but for spiritual experiences too. Of course this language is not as sharp and precise as the terminology of a science where the technical terms have a very clear definition. But as others said before: when you have been there, you understand what they are talking about. And you then can go deeper into exploring the writings you don't understand yet.

You have done quite some practical work until today. Maybe there is not much to find for you in the texts right now. You can always go back into reading, if you yearn for it. But doing the Alchemy is always the best way to explore it, right?

Good luck, I hope you will find what you strive for. :o

Illen A. Cluf
04-27-2020, 04:29 PM
I have started going deeper into Alchemy just a few weeks ago, but I am into mysticism and magick for almost 35 years. Why do you ask?

Just wondering why some get discouraged after only a few weeks, while others have searched for decades and are still just as enthusiastic.

Uambra
04-27-2020, 04:39 PM
Why do you believe I got discouraged? ;)

People might get discouraged after a few weeks because Alchemy might not be what they were searching for? Or maybe people don't have the patience to go deeper into it right from the start? Or maybe they found many things somewhere else already and realize pretty soon that Alchemy doesn't provide anything new to them? Or maybe they just don't fall in love with Alchemy?

There are so many reasons not to do Alchemy. As I said before: you need passion for Alchemy to stick to Alchemy or any other spiritual path, because it is always about exploring things on your own and frustration is always part of it.

Illen A. Cluf
04-27-2020, 04:59 PM
Why do you believe I got discouraged? ;)

People might get discouraged after a few weeks because Alchemy might not be what they were searching for? Or maybe people don't have the patience to go deeper into it right from the start? Or maybe they found many things somewhere else already and realize pretty soon that Alchemy doesn't provide anything new to them? Or maybe they just don't fall in love with Alchemy?

There are so many reasons not to do Alchemy. As I said before: you need passion for Alchemy to stick to Alchemy or any other spiritual path, because it is always about exploring things on your own and frustration is always part of it.

You mentioned how discouraged you were with reading a few hundred pages of text - all this after only studying a few weeks. My comments weren't specifically directed towards you. I think I added your name by mistake instead of Seraphim's.

Michael Sternbach
04-27-2020, 08:07 PM
what? I never claimed to have made the stone. *lol*

Right. I confused you with somebody whose avatar has a similar colour composition like yours. :D

However, who is to say that I did not unwittingly predict the future... ;)

Michael Sternbach
04-27-2020, 08:19 PM
You mentioned how discouraged you were with reading a few hundred pages of text - all this after only studying a few weeks. My comments weren't specifically directed towards you. I think I added your name by mistake instead of Seraphim's.

ROFLMAO!

If it's of any help: You are obviously not the only old-timer a bit dazed by Uambra's yet unfamiliar presence!

:D

elixirmixer
04-27-2020, 09:49 PM
Actually your right Uambra. It's not that I'm completely sick of the text, its just that a very significant portion of the text is describing what to do once you have the Secret Solvent in hand. My over-active imagination has isolated all the possibilities for the Secret Solvent long ago, and there seems to be one path that draws my attention the most.

When I have the insolvent I'll happily pick up the books again to further develop in what I can do with it.

I am a scientist before anything else. I studied science at uni and I've had a laboratory for years now, so I always look at things in terms of their practical application and their scientific theory.

Uncle Scrooge
04-28-2020, 04:49 AM
Interesting questions Uncle Scrooge, I would like to hear more.

Have you made the common Primum Ens Melissa ?

And if so what was your experience with it?

Also if you have made the Primum Ens Melissa, the one that's green what
extraction medium did you use ?

I have all of the materials needed to make the Primum Ens Melissa but I haven't made it, although it would only take me 1-2 days to do it at most. The reason is I already have the red lion, why should I waste my time on the Melissa?

Take potassium carbonate, put it in a baking dish, set it outside so it deliquesces from the OUTDOOR moisture and absorbs the "spiritus mundi" for 24 hours. Then pour out the liquified potassium carbonate onto the dried melissa herb. 24 hours later, filter off the solution and discard the herb. Add anhydrous ethanol to the solution you filtered and leave it alone until you see two distinct layers, one green on top and the lower layer. Decant the green layer, this is the Primum Ens Melissa, you can evaporate the ethanol and you'll be left with the concentrated green oil.

elixirmixer
04-28-2020, 05:27 AM
You'll find, professor Scrooge, that its not as simple as that. The Ens by that process does not make your hair and nails fall out only to regrow new, more healthy replacements, such as the Melissa is reputed for....

alfr
04-28-2020, 05:35 AM
I have all of the materials needed to make the Primum Ens Melissa but I haven't made it, although it would only take me 1-2 days to do it at most. The reason is I already have the red lion, why should I waste my time on the Melissa?

Take potassium carbonate, put it in a baking dish, set it outside so it deliquesces from the OUTDOOR moisture and absorbs the "spiritus mundi" for 24 hours. Then pour out the liquified potassium carbonate onto the dried melissa herb. 24 hours later, filter off the solution and discard the herb. Add anhydrous ethanol to the solution you filtered and leave it alone until you see two distinct layers, one green on top and the lower layer. Decant the green layer, this is the Primum Ens Melissa, you can evaporate the ethanol and you'll be left with the concentrated green oil.
;);)professor Scrooge ;););) it is NOT so easy ens melissa not so easy ;););)


You'll find, professor Scrooge, that its not as simple as that. The Ens by that process does not make your hair and nails fall out only to regrow new, more healthy replacements, such as the Melissa is reputed for....

hi dear elixirmixer i total agree whit you very well say

elixirmixer
04-28-2020, 06:30 AM
It is worth noteing here Uncle, that if you have created your Alchemical elements via the mineral path, then the SM associated with such is specified to the mineral realm. This means that the SM that you have gathered will not effect the herbal kingdom in the way that you require to reach the higher herbal realms. You may have got some very seriously mineral alchemy happening (congratulations by the way) but it will be limited to just that kingdom. This is why my research has been focused mainly on isolating SM before it has been specified to any particular kingdom. Not to take away from the very commendable feat you have attained to, very well done, but it does have its limitations (according to the folk-law anyway)

black
04-28-2020, 07:38 AM
Hi Uncle Scrooge


I have all of the materials needed to make the Primum Ens Melissa but I haven't made it, although it would only take me 1-2 days to do it at most. The reason is I already have the red lion, why should I waste my time on the Melissa?

Also another very good question.


Take potassium carbonate, put it in a baking dish, set it outside so it deliquesces from the OUTDOOR moisture and absorbs the "spiritus mundi" for 24 hours. Then pour out the liquified potassium carbonate onto the dried melissa herb. 24 hours later, filter off the solution and discard the herb. Add anhydrous ethanol to the solution you filtered and leave it alone until you see two distinct layers, one green on top and the lower layer. Decant the green layer, this is the Primum Ens Melissa, you can evaporate the ethanol and you'll be left with the concentrated green oil.

I have tried this protocol and yes I did achieve a green tinctured ethanol.
If you test this product you will find it to be highly alkaline.

My feeling is that this tincture or oil is not very abundant in Virtue.

I would also agree with Mr. Mixer and alfr that this is not the Great
Primum Ens Melissa spoken of by the Adepts.

black
04-28-2020, 11:56 AM
It is worth noteing here Uncle, that if you have created your Alchemical elements via the mineral path, then the SM associated with such is specified to the mineral realm. This means that the SM that you have gathered will not effect the herbal kingdom in the way that you require to reach the higher herbal realms. You may have got some very seriously mineral alchemy happening (congratulations by the way) but it will be limited to just that kingdom. This is why my research has been focused mainly on isolating SM before it has been specified to any particular kingdom. Not to take away from the very commendable feat you have attained to, very well done, but it does have its limitations (according to the folk-law anyway)

Not sure that I would completely agree with this Mr. Mixer.

BTW your inbox is full to the brim.

elixirmixer
04-28-2020, 12:11 PM
Thank you Mr. Black. I've cleaned it out now. I have to admit, the mineral realm is probably the one I know the least about and it also seems to be where people are having the most success. I just can't help but be draw to the arena that Andro and others have spoken about quite a lot, a very pure ether manifestation.

I certainly don't knock it. If it works it works! And if anyone is kind enough one day to give me half an idea of what to do then I'll be sure to try it out. Most definitely... but I'm so tired Mr Black. I have a hard time keeping up with the uni load and I have children aged 3 and 4 and it's just too much to ask to sit down and do the I pensive study required to learn true mineral alchemy. It's not like I haven't tried ya know... I'm only one man! Haha.

I wish you all success and if Uncle Scrooge can make the real deal Ens I'll be very Interested to here about it.

Schmuldvich
04-28-2020, 01:58 PM
Take potassium carbonate, put it in a baking dish, set it outside so it deliquesces from the OUTDOOR moisture and absorbs the "spiritus mundi" for 24 hours. Then pour out the liquified potassium carbonate onto the dried melissa herb. 24 hours later, filter off the solution and discard the herb. Add anhydrous ethanol to the solution you filtered and leave it alone until you see two distinct layers, one green on top and the lower layer. Decant the green layer, this is the Primum Ens Melissa, you can evaporate the ethanol and you'll be left with the concentrated green oil.

Why do you suggest this?

Uambra
04-28-2020, 04:07 PM
However, who is to say that I did not unwittingly predict the future... ;)

:D that would be something - although I am not seeking for The Philosopher's Stone in an alchemical sense. On the other hand, this would make you a good seer. :cool: Anyhow, it's alright for me to make sourdough instead.




You mentioned how discouraged you were with reading a few hundred pages of text - all this after only studying a few weeks. My comments weren't specifically directed towards you. I think I added your name by mistake instead of Seraphim's.

I was answering to the subject of frustration, but actually talking about passion. :o

... alrighty, back to topic :)

Michael Sternbach
04-28-2020, 05:53 PM
:D that would be something - although I am not seeking for The Philosopher's Stone in an alchemical sense.

What if the Stone were seeking you? ;)


On the other hand, this would make you a good seer. :cool:

Yahoo! Keep searching for it relentlessly then!


Anyhow, it's alright for me to make sourdough instead.

Nothing wrong with that, for starters...

elixirmixer
04-28-2020, 09:46 PM
@Schmouldy

He suggests that because that is the typical standard Ens preparation recipe

elixirmixer
04-29-2020, 12:19 AM
Uncle Scrooge, if you would like to make the True Ens (which... if you could.. why wouldnt you? Since it is reputed to unlock secret parts of the Human genome like the ability to regrow teeth) then what i would recommend is getting some plant ashes, (preferable from the lemon balm or at least mint family) and then attempting to use whatever it is you have there (stone wise) to try and volatize these plant ashes so that they successfully distill over the helm. If you can achieve that, then you should be able to follow the same instructions in the recipe that you have there, and this would be the true Ens Melissa, Maybe you would want to test it out on say, a chicken, before consuming it yourself.

Best regards.

PS: The whole reason I even started Alchemy was to get the Ens Melissa (since i was born missing some teeth) so if you have any success, id love to hear about it :)

Schmuldvich
04-29-2020, 06:19 AM
I have all of the materials needed to make the Primum Ens Melissa but I haven't made it, although it would only take me 1-2 days to do it at most. The reason is I already have the red lion, why should I waste my time on the Melissa?

Take potassium carbonate, put it in a baking dish, set it outside so it deliquesces from the OUTDOOR moisture and absorbs the "spiritus mundi" for 24 hours. Then pour out the liquified potassium carbonate onto the dried melissa herb. 24 hours later, filter off the solution and discard the herb. Add anhydrous ethanol to the solution you filtered and leave it alone until you see two distinct layers, one green on top and the lower layer. Decant the green layer, this is the Primum Ens Melissa, you can evaporate the ethanol and you'll be left with the concentrated green oil.


You'll find, professor Scrooge, that its not as simple as that.

The Ens by that process does not make your hair and nails fall out only to regrow new, more healthy replacements, such as the Melissa is reputed for....


I have tried this protocol and yes I did achieve a green tinctured ethanol. If you test this product you will find it to be highly alkaline.

My feeling is that this tincture or oil is not very abundant in Virtue.

I would also agree with Mr. Mixer and alfr that this is not the Great Primum Ens Melissa spoken of by the Adepts.

Why you post this is beyond me, Uncle. You know and I know, along with everyone else here, that this pseudoglorified alcohol extraction absolutely is not our Ens but only a representation of what we see when working during the later stage. Black...who has actually performed this experiment himself with his own hands...affirms this.



I suppose I should be grateful for another 120 pages of endless metaphors that probably has some sweet, one liner somewhere in the middle. I pray that my senses arnt completely worn down to the bones once I get there, that I don't accidently pass it by as just more meaningless dribble.

I don't even read this stuff anymore. It's actually become a little painful actually.

My alchemical ambition was to use ancient knowledge to help people. And it's become very clear that there are many more effective ways to do that than Alchemy. I could chase my tale down these rabbit holes forever and still never get anything tangible from it at all.

I will trial a few more practical applications to test the theories I currently value, I'm no longer interested in pompous philosophy. If it's not doing anyone any good then for all its wise words it's no wisdom at all.

It is painful because growth can be painful. Learning how to play piano is frustrating; but how much effort does it take a virtuoso to play "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star"? Understanding trigonometry is challenging if not impossible for 5 year old to comprehend; but once they understand addition, subtraction, division, and multiplication and are proficient in the language of math then learning basic trigonometry is not hard for them to understand because they are familiar with the fundamentals involved in the art. When learning a new language we can be daunted by what we're about to learn, but after some study no difficulty at all is posed when reading the language or understanding what is being said.

If one goes from idea to idea and desire to desire they will rarely accomplish what a persistent person will accomplish with time. All of the people below sum it up well, Awani most exceptionally when he says "if you can't find anything that works, then go elsewhere".

What use is it to study something that causes strife, contention, anxiety, and requires so much sacrifice if it isn't benefiting you?

We all resonate at our own frequency, so to speak, and that with which we resonate is different for everyone. Certain things resonate with certain people, EM. We should desire to find that which resonates with ourselves and pursue that. DX points out that it's "just as much about the journey" because it totally is! You say it yourself "It is not enough to read, you must learn through experience what works and what doesn't". Kibric nails it when he says "You can't have it as a hobby and expect results. Its a practical grind". Some people see studying Alchemy as a burden whereas some of us experience Alchemy study as pleasurable and extraordinarily gratifying.


If you can't find your "own" alchemy, and if you can't find anything that works, then go elsewhere. The only path worth walking is the one you carve out yourself.

Alchemy is as much about the journey as it is the destination. You are supposed to reach conclusions through experiments and conceptualization of Nature....not seeking free handouts from those who have put in years or decades of work to reach their level of knowledge. Adepts aren't keeping info from you because they're greedy, but because they don't want to rob you of the important individualistic journey which is required.

Humanity isn't entitled to infinite knowledge. It has to be earned by those willing to work for it.

Some people share what they can and their experiences, some don't. Practical experience, you have to try for yourself. You can't have it as a hobby and expect results. Its a practical grind like most jobs.
Success like with most things requires persistence.

It is not enough to read, you must learn through experience what works and what doesn't

Preach!



I haven't given up performing Alchemy. Just in reading about it. For you it's about the Journey. For me it is a means to an end.

It is not a journey of growth it is a sacrifice of survival for those who come after me. This is not an armchair it is a war-zone.

To study the grand art, and never taste her fruits, is not an option I am willing to take.

And so, I have once again, invested all I have, into a new design, to create the secret solvent.

I want to SEE the spirit, I want to taste it. I want to know her, just as well as she knows me and I won't read about it anymore.

The general mode of manifestation is known by me.

I've read the books, they confuse me and bring doubt into my mind. I've lost a taste for them all together. Certainly had I been more diligent and organised and cross referenced the absolute hell out of everything like some of our wise friends here have then it might be different, but it's no matter now I don't have the time to do that even if I wanted to.

As far as I can tell, while there is reading involved in Alchemy, those around here who have gained the secrets have spent just as much time with their hands in their labs as they did their noses in the books.

Some of us have sacrificed friendships, pleasure, socializing, and 'a normal life' in order to pursue Alchemy.

Most people are not willing to forsake love in order to learn about our Art, and even fewer would give up most pleasures in order to comprehend its profundity. You're seemingly fortunate though, you are married to a wonderful woman and you two have produced some neat little EM spawns that I'm sure bring you love and immense joy that can hardly be experienced by anything else.

Alchemy gatekeeps itself.

You say that you will do everything in your power and invest everything you have into Alchemy so that you may reap its reward...but you are all talk. At the time I have no doubt that you mean it when say this, but life gets to you and other things take forefront. It is unmistakably apparent that you are not even close to willing to invest everything as you say. You want the easy way. You want easy-mode. EM, The only thing you are willing to invest is money. Remember Ebenezer Scrooge? Yeah don't turn in to that guy.

You do not know the general mode of manifestation. Not at all. Instead of wasting all your money on these ridiculous contraptions that make you feel like you're doing something cool and special, why not instead focus for an extended period of time, take a step back, and actually learn about our Art?

It's not worth it to you.



Just wondering why some get discouraged after only a few weeks, while others have searched for decades and are still just as enthusiastic.

Excellent point. Enthusiastic is an understatement. This is something I enjoy so much that it is what I dedicate my time on Earth towards. I experience legitimate joy when experimenting with Solids, Liquids, and In-Betweens and experience the same pleasure when reading the texts.



All veiled speak aside...multiple accounts, etc.

I am just trying to learn about Spagyrics and share things freely with everyone.

Talk is cheap.

DX has been around here and elsewhere for years. They show no ill-will and certainly are not a duplicate account.


Thanks for sharing alfr. Here's a rough english translation from google...

https://pdfhost.io/v/0UEPLcDf3_LesClefsduLaboraTorepdf.pdf

Thank you.

microwatt
04-29-2020, 03:22 PM
Elixer I read your posts. You are all over the place. If one was single in his mind then a single spirit can develop.

elixirmixer
04-29-2020, 10:04 PM
Why you post this is beyond me, Uncle. You know and I know, along with everyone else here, that this pseudoglorified alcohol extraction absolutely is not our Ens but only a representation of what we see when working during the later stage. Black...who has actually performed this experiment himself with his own hands...affirms this.




It is painful because growth can be painful. Learning how to play piano is frustrating; but how much effort does it take a virtuoso to play "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star"? Understanding trigonometry is challenging if not impossible for 5 year old to comprehend; but once they understand addition, subtraction, division, and multiplication and are proficient in the language of math then learning basic trigonometry is not hard for them to understand because they are familiar with the fundamentals involved in the art. When learning a new language we can be daunted by what we're about to learn, but after some study no difficulty at all is posed when reading the language or understanding what is being said.

If one goes from idea to idea and desire to desire they will rarely accomplish what a persistent person will accomplish with time. All of the people below sum it up well, Awani most exceptionally when he says "if you can't find anything that works, then go elsewhere".

What use is it to study something that causes strife, contention, anxiety, and requires so much sacrifice if it isn't benefiting you?

We all resonate at our own frequency, so to speak, and that with which we resonate is different for everyone. Certain things resonate with certain people, EM. We should desire to find that which resonates with ourselves and pursue that. DX points out that it's "just as much about the journey" because it totally is! You say it yourself "It is not enough to read, you must learn through experience what works and what doesn't". Kibric nails it when he says "You can't have it as a hobby and expect results. Its a practical grind". Some people see studying Alchemy as a burden whereas some of us experience Alchemy study as pleasurable and extraordinarily gratifying.






Preach!




Some of us have sacrificed friendships, pleasure, socializing, and 'a normal life' in order to pursue Alchemy.

Most people are not willing to forsake love in order to learn about our Art, and even fewer would give up most pleasures in order to comprehend its profundity. You're seemingly fortunate though, you are married to a wonderful woman and you two have produced some neat little EM spawns that I'm sure bring you love and immense joy that can hardly be experienced by anything else.

Alchemy gatekeeps itself.

You say that you will do everything in your power and invest everything you have into Alchemy so that you may reap its reward...but you are all talk. At the time I have no doubt that you mean it when say this, but life gets to you and other things take forefront. It is unmistakably apparent that you are not even close to willing to invest everything as you say. You want the easy way. You want easy-mode. EM, The only thing you are willing to invest is money. Remember Ebenezer Scrooge? Yeah don't turn in to that guy.

You do not know the general mode of manifestation. Not at all. Instead of wasting all your money on these ridiculous contraptions that make you feel like you're doing something cool and special, why not instead focus for an extended period of time, take a step back, and actually learn about our Art?

It's not worth it to you.




Excellent point. Enthusiastic is an understatement. This is something I enjoy so much that it is what I dedicate my time on Earth towards. I experience legitimate joy when experimenting with Solids, Liquids, and In-Betweens and experience the same pleasure when reading the texts.




DX has been around here and elsewhere for years. They show no ill-will and certainly are not a duplicate account.



Thank you.

You're right Smouldy, this speech has definitely inspired me. I have an idea..........................
@microwatt.. yes... i am very aware of the fact that my mind is spliced off in a million directions. Hense why I often talk about 'healing'. And now its more difficult than ever really because the uni im in atm is an extremely good opportunity for me to actually live and work like a normal person for a change doing something I love, but it has the downside that I am in a permanent state of time poor anxiety. To be honest, things are a lot better then pretty much ever. I dont drink or smoke anymore (or at least very rarely) in comparison to say, 1 year ago when i was drunk by about 11:40am most days. So there is progress in terms of pulling my shit together for sure.

Ive been receiving alot of good advice laterly and with all things considered, I have stopped my pursuit of the cool tech version of my alchemy set-up (at least for now) and im going back to the bare basics. Thank you all, ill update with results.

Kibric
04-30-2020, 04:43 AM
and im going back to the bare basics
Try a jar and a candle. Gently heat your preferred substance and focus on your vessel.
No radio tv background noise. Calm focus on your vessel and preferred substance.
Replace your internal chatter with silent observation on your vessel. Contemplate its heat, reactions, changes.
There's a zen if you like to practical experimentation. You need this zen to guide yourself through your experiments without confusing internal mental conflict
and remain objective in your focus and decision making.

Your still here talking to us, so some part of you knows your not giving up. :)

alfr
05-05-2020, 09:11 AM
I did find the pdf document to "Les Cles du Labora-T-Ore alchimique". It can be found here for free:


https://editionsphilomene.wordpress.com/


Les Cles du Labora-T-Ore alchimique
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gjyepprcze2eixu/Doc%20FAVST-Les-clefs-du-laboratore.pdf?dl=0%5B%2Furl%5D%C2%A0

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