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horticult
04-21-2009, 11:13 PM
I always wondered, why the alchemists were so keen of gold instead of diamonds?

http://www.rangeguide.net/diamonds.htm

http://carnegieinstitution.org/raining_gems.html

Salazius
04-22-2009, 06:11 AM
Hi !

That's interesting, seeking into my mind, I remembered this :

From Bacstrom Process & Aphorism :

35th. With the Red multiplied Medicine, glass fluxes or crystals are fixed into diamonds, rubies, emeralds and other precious stones.

Diamonds are pure carbon, and not silicium, so it must be a transmuation.

horticult
04-22-2009, 11:07 AM
I was teleported on it thanx 2 Welling´s note about experiments with charcoal and soote; in this case it is not transmutation but "only" recrystalization. In this connection, I would like to know the reason, why carbonari called themselves the carbonari?

Jerry
04-22-2009, 05:17 PM
In this connection, I would like to know the reason, why carbonari called themselves the carbonari?

Maybe they had to find a use for all that charcoal they were making.:)

solomon levi
04-22-2009, 06:27 PM
There's a method from Glauber I've considered trying.
It utilises the red salt from the union of sodium sulphate
and charcoal and fuses it with sand. The amount of time left
in fusion produces various colors of gemstones: first red like a ruby,
then it goes through yellow, green, blue and finally black.

Jerry
04-22-2009, 06:43 PM
It utilises the red salt from the union of sodium sulphate
and charcoal and fuses it with sand.

Ultramarine?

Aleilius
04-22-2009, 07:04 PM
It utilises the red salt from the union of sodium sulphate
and charcoal and fuses it with sand.
Hmm, that salt salts like an impure mixture of sulphur, sodium oxide, and sodium sulfide. Pure sodium sulfide is colorless so the color must be related to elemental sulphur (I believe this is the case). Sand is silicon dioxide. When you fuse these together you're making a form of colored glass. In this situation it's most likely that sulphur is the coloring agent. :)

Glass making is a very interesting art! You may combine other metal oxides with sodium oxide to produce glasses of different colors, or heck it's also possible to substitute sodium oxide for some other oxide & then do mix matching. The color of the glass is most often related to the sulphur principle of the metal being used. I should note that it's also possible to substitute silicon oxide for some other salt (antimony glass anyone?). I'll have a detailed chapter or two on glass making in my book if I can ever get that blasted thing written.


Diamonds are pure carbon, and not silicium, so it must be a transmuation.
I wouldn't say it's a transmutation, but rather it's more like a reorganization & compaction of all the countless chaotic carbon bonds. This is really amazing if it's possible, because nowadays synthetic diamonds are made by the application of enormous pressure & heat.

horticult
04-23-2009, 10:11 AM
Maybe they had to find a use for all that charcoal they were making.:)

"The Carbonari ("charcoal burners"[1]) were groups of secret revolutionary societies founded in early 19th-century Italy." Wikipedia

Jerry
04-23-2009, 02:19 PM
"The Carbonari ("charcoal burners"[1]) were groups of secret revolutionary societies founded in early 19th-century Italy." Wikipedia

I understood that part. A much better definition of the Carbonari can be found here:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03330c.htm

The original question was, “In this connection, I would like to know the reason, why carbonari called themselves the carbonari?”. The connection having something to do with the “charcoal burners” and “Welling’s note about experiments with charcoal and soote”. I am not familiar with Welling so maybe you can post a few lines.

Charcoal making is not new. I’m quite sure it has ancient origins. The are two basic methods of making charcoal. One is to carbonize wood in closed retorts, and the other is to open burn the wood until charcoal is formed. Here is a crash course on how to easily make charcoal:

http://members.localnet.com/75/42/e0ca7v2/CH101

Carl Ludwig von Reichenbach (Odic force) was also interested in charcoal making. :)

horticult
04-23-2009, 02:57 PM
Cuz a lot af adepts/authors did some strange remarks about coal and I would like to know the reason. Maybe they knew.

Jerry
04-23-2009, 04:29 PM
Cuz a lot af adepts/authors did some strange remarks about coal and I would like to know the reason. Maybe they knew.

I think I may have lost you somewhere. They were not only interested in making charcoal but also the byproducts of such operations.

Start here:
http://www.afrol.com/articles/10266

And something more technical:
http://www.znaturforsch.com/ab/v58b/s58b0462.pdf

In the Alchymists Enchiridion, Part One (page 1), An excellent and admirable Balsam of singular Vertues it describes a preparation whose “Vertues” are listed on page 2, one of which is, “If Dead bodies be anointed therewith, they will not Putrifie”.

If this preserves a dead body, would it not preserve a living one?

Dot < > Dot. :)

A short work of George Ripley –
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/riplpoem.html

“Take Heavy, Soft, Cold, and Drye;
Clense him, and to Calx grind him subtily:
Dissolve him in Water of the Wood…”

What is “Water of the Wood”?

Aleilius
04-23-2009, 11:59 PM
Jerry, please use certain discretion when trying to hint towards this secret!

I'm sure you understand why. :)

solomon levi
08-28-2010, 07:03 PM
Jerry, please use certain discretion when trying to hint towards this secret!

I'm sure you understand why. :)


I don't understand why.
I'll bet no one here has ever distilled pyroligneous acid from wood.
And I'll bet after this post no one will still.

I really can't see any need for secrecy at this time. The ones who are not truly
dedicated will get no where, and the ones who are, already know or deserve to know.

The only thing I see is that people need to not mis-take knowledge for power/wisdom.
Knowing about pyroligneous acid, for example, will not enlighten anyone about alchemy.
It doesn't give insight, unless one meditates on it, about the origin of metals in the earth.

If anyone is actually able to follow Ripley and make the stone now, because someone said
"pyroligneous acid"... wonderful! miraculous! They deserve it. God is with them.

Salazius
08-29-2010, 08:12 AM
What is “Water of the Wood”?

It could be ashes, washed and made deliquescent.
Oleum Tartari.