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black
06-05-2021, 12:50 PM
Only one (1) post per member.

The answer will consist of Two (2) names from the list that you have decided
match the 2 names that I received from the "Source of All Knowledge."

These two very fortunate Alchemists obtained the Philosophers Stone.

You will have up to July 1 to submit your answer, this will give you some practice
time to hone your intuition, psychic and or divining skills, etc, etc.


IMPORTANT if you are concerned about psychic protection.

When you do any psychic or divining work ASK to communicate ONLY with
the Source of All Knowledge and psychic protection will be granted automatically.

The Source of All Knowledge and the Divine Light are one and the same.

The Divine Light sounds a bit too religious for some people so use the name that sits
well with you.

Remember it's important to put your preconceived notions on the shelf and may the
psychic force be with you.

And here is the list

Isaac Newton

Dr. Bacstrom

Robert Boyle

George Starkey

George Ripley

Van Helmont

Johann Agricola

Avicenna

Baro Urbigerus

Cyliani

Roger Bacon

Arnaldus de Villa Nova

Seraphim
06-05-2021, 03:26 PM
Fun! Ok just guessing here since we can only pick two names and they have to be the ones which you have received.

Roger Bacon
George Ripley

:confused:

Jimmy Rig
06-05-2021, 04:07 PM
Also just a guess,

Isaac Newton,

Avicenna.

For no particular reason, these are just the names that spoke to me.

Lets see haha

Kiorionis
06-07-2021, 11:35 PM
Here are my selections, based on my feeling for the names:

Arnaldus de Villa Nova
Avicenna

Illen A. Cluf
06-08-2021, 12:28 AM
There are more than two in this list who obtained the Stone. Here are two of them (I came up with them independently from Kiorionis):

Avicenna
Arnaldus de Villa Nova

A third is George Ripley

black
06-16-2021, 05:25 AM
Hello to All

Two (2) weeks to go till the end of The "Who got What" Game (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?6545-The-quot-Who-got-What-quot-game.&p=70125#post70125), so I hope that your meditations and your divining skills, etc are running hot.

Uambra
06-21-2021, 04:13 PM
*lol* I still know almost nothing about Alchemy, so I asked my Tarot:

Van Helmont (card: Hermit = He who w(v)anders in hell and on mountains)
Baro Urbigerus (several cards, cause it was not quite that obvious: might, change, profit: might is pretty clear, I guess. change in 'baro' like barometer (cause the wheather is always changing). profit also in bar=cash/bar of gold)

;)

elixirmixer
06-23-2021, 11:55 AM
I'm going with Aristotle

black
06-24-2021, 03:12 AM
I'm going with Aristotle

Was Aristotle an Alchemist ?

Kibric
06-24-2021, 05:21 PM
George Ripley
Arnaldus de Villa Nova

thoth
06-28-2021, 04:50 PM
Arnaldus de Villa Nova
George Ripley

Christophorus
06-29-2021, 08:54 AM
My contribution:

Weidenfeld
Fulcanelli
Flamel

Andro
06-29-2021, 09:07 AM
None of the names on the list got anything significantly valuable, i.e. nowhere near the potency mentioned by the(ir) literature. :p

But if we count witnessing transmutations and/or performing small ratio transmutations, more than two names on the list are qualifying.

Those who actually "made it" (high potency stones & elixirs) didn't really write about it. It's usually the students/disciples who wrote the books.

black
06-29-2021, 10:09 AM
None of the names on the list got anything significantly valuable, i.e. nowhere near the potency mentioned by the(ir) literature. :p
It does depend on how any of us would view "significantly valuable." :p

The Two Alchemists in this list that got the Philosophers Stone were not gifted with the knowledge
to be able to proceed any further toward Adeptship, but with the understanding they had they could
work High Spagyric.


But if we count witnessing transmutations and/or performing small ratio transmutations, more than two names on the list are qualifying.
More knowledge than just having the Philosophers Stone was required to perform
a Transmutation of base metal to gold e.g. Lead (Pb) to Gold (Au).


Those who actually "made it" (high potency stones & elixirs) didn't really write about it. It's usually the students/disciples who wrote the books.
Yes that is quite true Mr. Andro and what the students wrote could not always be
relied upon as genuine fact as is the case with students/disciples.

The aim of this game is about Developing more than our usual Senses so that we can
have an advanced knowledge beyond hearsay. ;) ;)

Andro
06-29-2021, 10:37 AM
It does depend on how any of us would view "significantly valuable."
That's what I clarified in my previous post:


significantly valuable, i.e. nowhere near the potency mentioned by the(ir) literature._______________________________________ ______


The aim of this game is about Developing more than our usual Senses so that we can have an advanced knowledge beyond hearsay.
Well, there you go, then :cool:

black
07-01-2021, 10:51 AM
I would like to thank the members that made an effort and participated
in The "Who got What" game.


Unfortunately I'm sorry to inform you that we do not have a winner.

The Two (2) Alchemists names that I was given were:

Johann Agricola and Avicenna


Please remember that just because you didn't get the same answer that I got
doesn't mean that I'm correct and you are wrong.

You may be far better with your psychic and divining skills than me.

My hope was that a few of us could reach the same result.

It's like body building the more you go to the gym the stronger you get.

So keep up the good work.

Thank you all.

Kiorionis
07-01-2021, 11:55 AM
Haha well looks like I was half-correct.

Fun game though!

Jimmy Rig
07-01-2021, 12:01 PM
There were a few of us who were half-correct it seems. It was neat to see others insights either way.

Andro
07-01-2021, 12:05 PM
looks like I was half-correct.
Or Black was half-incorrect... Or the source has been playing a bit of mind-fuck, giving different answers to different people :p

Seth-Ra
07-01-2021, 07:35 PM
Or the source has been playing a bit of mind-fuck, giving different answers to different people :p

In my experience, that is most likely, cause that shits cosmically funny. ;)

black
07-02-2021, 12:46 AM
Or Black was half-incorrect... Or the source has been playing a bit of mind-fuck, giving different answers to different people :p

In the past I was constantly wrong so being half-correct is a real improvement. :D

Sorry I can't cut the prize into pieces to share amongst the halfer's.

Might have to think about another game or two ?

Any suggestions ?

My feeling is we all need to up our psychic and communication skills.


In my experience, that is most likely, cause that shits cosmically funny. ;)
I fully agree Seth the "Light" does seem to have an odd sense of humor.

Seraphim
07-02-2021, 03:35 AM
GG

https://media1.tenor.com/images/7b0e57e525409dce4609f92b557d47aa/tenor.gif?itemid=3426924

black
07-02-2021, 04:05 AM
Hey Seraphim

I had to Google GG. lol

Glad you enjoyed ... please come back for more.

Kiorionis
07-02-2021, 11:20 AM
Might have to think about another game or two ?

Any suggestions ?

My feeling is we all need to up our psychic and communication skills.

You could recreate the famous riddle game in The Hobbit: what does black have in his pocket? Haha

Or the classic psychic card-image test, where you show the back of the card and we try to psychically determine what is on the front.

black
07-02-2021, 01:12 PM
You could recreate the famous riddle game in The Hobbit: what does black have in his pocket? Haha

Or the classic psychic card-image test, where you show the back of the card and we try to psychically determine what is on the front.

Thank you for these great game suggestions Kiorionis we can plan on using them soon.

I've been having some psychic communications this evening and it appears that I
have been set a task to make a game about The Ark of the Covenant.

Will build more on this in a day or so.

Thank you again for your input it means a lot to me.

Illen A. Cluf
07-02-2021, 02:00 PM
I would like to thank the members that made an effort and participated
in The "Who got What" game.


Unfortunately I'm sorry to inform you that we do not have a winner.

The Two (2) Alchemists names that I was given were:

Johann Agricola and Avicenna


Please remember that just because you didn't get the same answer that I got
doesn't mean that I'm correct and you are wrong.

You may be far better with your psychic and divining skills than me.

My hope was that a few of us could reach the same result.

It's like body building the more you go to the gym the stronger you get.

So keep up the good work.

Thank you all.

Unfortunately, Georgius Agricola only wrote about mining, metallurgy, geology and mineralogy and never mentions the Philosophers Stone. He was more of an early scientist, rather than an alchemist (I assume you meant Georgius rather than Johannes. Johannes was a German Protestant reformer in the Lutheran tradition, who wrote theological books, not alchemical books).

Illen A. Cluf
07-02-2021, 07:46 PM
My hope was that a few of us could reach the same result.
.

Actually I think it was a great success. Kiorionis and myself independently came up with the exact same result.

The chances of anyone coming up with the same two choices is only 1 out of 66.

If there were only two people guessing, the chances of both coming up with the same choice is 1 out of 4,356.

Since a total of 9 people guessed, the chances of 2 of those 9 coming up with the exact same choice is 1 out of 484!

That is, a 0.21% chance! Looks like something was indeed happening!

black
07-03-2021, 12:33 AM
Unfortunately, Georgius Agricola only wrote about mining, metallurgy, geology and mineralogy and never mentions the Philosophers Stone. He was more of an early scientist, rather than an alchemist (I assume you meant Georgius rather than Johannes. Johannes was a German Protestant reformer in the Lutheran tradition, who wrote theological books, not alchemical books).

Hi Illen here is a couple of links.

https://de.zxc.wiki/wiki/Johann_Agricola_(Alchemist)

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/agricola.html

black
07-03-2021, 12:39 AM
Actually I think it was a great success. Kiorionis and myself independently came up with the exact same result.

The chances of anyone coming up with the same two choices is only 1 out of 66.

If there were only two people guessing, the chances of both coming up with the same choice is 1 out of 4,356.

Since a total of 9 people guessed, the chances of 2 of those 9 coming up with the exact same choice is 1 out of 484!

That is, a 0.21% chance! Looks like something was indeed happening!

Wow ... those odds are pretty fantastic !

Than you Illen for going to the trouble to work that out. I'm impressed.

I wonder with a bit of divine intervention we can do better ?

Illen A. Cluf
07-03-2021, 12:40 AM
Hi Illen here is a couple of links.

https://de.zxc.wiki/wiki/Johann_Agricola_(Alchemist)

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/agricola.html

Thanks, Black. I guess there were two different Johann Agricola's!

Seraphim
07-03-2021, 12:49 AM
Hi Illen here is a couple of links.

https://de.zxc.wiki/wiki/Johann_Agricola_(Alchemist)

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/agricola.html

Thanks Black. I wonder what a "saltwork specialist" is?

black
07-03-2021, 12:54 AM
Thanks, Black. I guess there were two different Johann Agricola's!

A few months back I collected a large list of Alchemists or so-called Alchemists
from way back in time to present day.

Then I went through the list name by name with the "Divine Light" to determine
Who got What ... everything from nothing to the Mercury, the Stone, Multiplication,
Augmentation, etc, etc.

I was really surprised at the very small number of true Adept Alchemists over
the many years of our history.

The good news is that there are real Adept Alchemists!

black
07-03-2021, 01:07 AM
Thanks Black. I wonder what a "saltwork specialist" is?

Hi Seraphim

It would appear to be the manufacture of table salt.

Jimmy Rig
07-03-2021, 01:10 AM
Actually I think it was a great success. Kiorionis and myself independently came up with the exact same result.

The chances of anyone coming up with the same two choices is only 1 out of 66.

If there were only two people guessing, the chances of both coming up with the same choice is 1 out of 4,356.

Since a total of 9 people guessed, the chances of 2 of those 9 coming up with the exact same choice is 1 out of 484!

That is, a 0.21% chance! Looks like something was indeed happening!

Hi Illen,

That is quite rarefied odds you have there. Also there were quite a few avicennas cast forth in the quiz.

I knew almost nothing of the listed alchemists but the names I chose had a good gut feeling. To get 50% seems fair. Not dependable yet but fair.

I have not come up with a new game idea yet; except for maybe "one word only for prima-materia" The cool thing about this idea is that nobody will actually know which one word is the prima-materia unless they have found theirs in similitude.

Maybe if 20 people say Clay we will all raise our eyebrows.. ;)

Jimmy Rig
07-03-2021, 01:31 AM
Thanks Black. I wonder what a "saltwork specialist" is?

Sounds like a neat job; complimentary skill to alchemy?
Maybe that could be a new code-word for alchemist around here!

Friend or Fatherly figure:"Hey, Jimmy what is all this equipment doing in your laundry room?" Jimmy(not my real name):"Oh, yeah I am a saltwork specialist- part time for now,
gotta shore up my formula's some more" Friend or FatherlyFigure:"Alright, I am out, how can you expect me to hangout in your laundry room with you formulating god-knows what.. Bath salts for Pete's sake Jimmy! Don't call me over here anymore, you freak!"

Jimmy to himself later after reflecting: "Less time entertaining means more time dissolving and coagulating knowledge and experience to become a true rectified saltwork specialist."

Wish they told me this was an option in highschool; "Hey, Kid, You want to Live Foreverfor a living?"
False-narrative past-tense Jimmy "Well it is kind of hard to say no when you come out with that."
The ultimate counselor "Follow me."

You are the salt of the earth.

Truth is I have been drinking a bit of wine with my neighbor tonight and wanted to try my hand at being humorous.
I hope everybody is having a nice morning/day/evening, its evening here.

Seraphim
07-03-2021, 02:10 AM
Hi Seraphim

It would appear to be the manufacture of table salt.

Ah, thanks Black. That sounds fun. :) Sorry for the newbie questions.


Sounds like a neat job; complimentary skill to alchemy?
Maybe that could be a new code-word for alchemist around here!

Friend or Fatherly figure:"Hey, Jimmy what is all this equipment doing in your laundry room?" Jimmy(not my real name):"Oh, yeah I am a saltwork specialist- part time for now,
gotta shore up my formula's some more" Friend or FatherlyFigure:"Alright, I am out, how can you expect me to hangout in your laundry room with you formulating god-knows what.. Bath salts for Pete's sake Jimmy! Don't call me over here anymore, you freak!"

Jimmy to himself later after reflecting: "Less time entertaining means more time dissolving and coagulating knowledge and experience to become a true rectified saltwork specialist."

Wish they told me this was an option in highschool; "Hey, Kid, You want to Live Foreverfor a living?"
False-narrative past-tense Jimmy "Well it is kind of hard to say no when you come out with that."
The ultimate counselor "Follow me."

You are the salt of the earth.

Truth is I have been drinking a bit of wine with my neighbor tonight and wanted to try my hand at being humorous.
I hope everybody is having a nice morning/day/evening, its evening here.

It does sound like a neat job. Do alchemists make salts too? Bath salts? Interesting :)

:confused:

Matthew 5:1-18

And having seen the crowds, He went up on the mountain. And He having sat-down, His disciples came to Him.

And having opened His mouth He was teaching them, saying—

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, because the kingdom of the heavens is theirs.

Blessed are the ones mourning, because they will be comforted.

Blessed are the gentle ones, because they will inherit the earth.

Blessed are the ones hungering and thirsting as to righteousness, because they will be filled-to-satisfaction.

Blessed are the merciful ones, because they will be shown-mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart, because they will see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers, because they will be called sons of God.

Blessed are the ones having been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, because the kingdom of the heavens is theirs.

You are blessed ones whenever they reproach you and persecute you and speak every [kind of] evil against you while lying, because-of Me.

Be rejoicing and be overjoyed, because your reward is great in the heavens. For in this manner they persecuted the prophets before you.

You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt should become-tasteless, with what will it be salted? It no longer has strength for anything except, having been thrown outside, to be trampled-underfoot by people.

You are the light of the world. A city lying on a hill is not able to be hidden.

Nor do they burn a lamp and put it under the basket, but on the lampstand— and it shines on all the ones in the house.

In this manner, let your light shine in front of people so that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in the heavens.

Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.

For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, one iota or one stroke will by no means pass away from the Law until all things take-place.〞

Illen A. Cluf
07-03-2021, 02:44 AM
Hi Illen,

That is quite rarefied odds you have there. Also there were quite a few avicennas cast forth in the quiz.

I knew almost nothing of the listed alchemists but the names I chose had a good gut feeling. To get 50% seems fair. Not dependable yet but fair.

I have not come up with a new game idea yet; except for maybe "one word only for prima-materia" The cool thing about this idea is that nobody will actually know which one word is the prima-materia unless they have found theirs in similitude.

Maybe if 20 people say Clay we will all raise our eyebrows.. ;)

Hi Jimmy Rig,

You are right! Avicenna was mentioned an extraordinary number of times, which does indicate that many of us are on the same wavelength! It almost confirms Avicenna, at least. The odds are extraordinary. I would work them out if I had time, but I'm leaving for Texas early tomorrow and won't be back for over three weeks.

That's a great idea about the prima materia! Let's go for it!

Kiorionis
07-06-2021, 12:13 AM
Do alchemists make salts too?

Discourse on the Fountain of Philosophical Salt by Solinus SALTZAL (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?6395-Discourse-on-the-Fountain-of-Philosophical-Salt-by-Solinus-SALTZAL&highlight=Central+salt)

black
08-16-2021, 08:24 AM
Who Got What ?

Curiosity got the better of me to ask "Who Got What" over the many years the
Alchemy Forum has been running.

As many of the long term members may remember there have been a few rather
wild and possibly somewhat exaggerated claims over the last 13 or so years of the
forum that I had to ask about.

I seem to recall hearing claims of .... I know what to do / I've got "it" / the
"Philosophers Stone" and also "Transmutations" of Lead(Pb) to Gold(Au).

With a communication from the "All Knowing" I was informed that the ones that
made such wild claims where very, very sadly mistaken.

Interestingly I was also informed that there were some members that hadn't made
any wild claims and they have managed to get a foot in the Alchemic Door, but
you could count them on one hand and still have spare fingers left over.

One of our members name did enter into the conversation that has managed a
Transmutation ... Mr. JDP.
You did tell us JDP ... but I like to get confirmation ... so Congrats. :cool:
Only minute amounts that cost more than the return.
BUT still a Transmutation ... I tip my hat to you good sir.

It appears that those that put in the hard work and long hours ... do get a return !!!

You may be a little lost at the moment, but with the power of prayer you may
be able to move mountains. :)

Andro
08-16-2021, 08:40 AM
What, so you're saying Uncle Scrooge hasn't in fact accomplished the Stone? Not even in the Microwave Oven?

I'm only mentioning Uncle Scrooge because I don't recall anyone else on this forum making such a claim directly and explicitly.

Also, good for you, having a direct line to the All-Knowing.

Kibric
08-16-2021, 09:09 AM
What does the all knowing say about black tar and an open flame ?

Isnt a direct line to the all knowing a wild claim ?

How does the all knowing converse ?
With words ?

How many mountains are moving ?

What about that demon ?

Why hasnt anyone noticed ?

Am i truly alone now ?

The last one ?

...

Its fucking hell.

Why cant i remember. ?

So much venom

Behind the left eye.

Just fire then.

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Andro
08-16-2021, 09:14 AM
Isn't a direct line to the all knowing a wild claim?
I suppose it is.


Am I truly alone now?
I suppose you're not.


It's fucking hell.
I suppose it is.


Just fire then.
So let it be.

black
08-16-2021, 12:37 PM
What, so you're saying Uncle Scrooge hasn't in fact accomplished the Stone? Not even in the Microwave Oven?

No .... I wouldn't say that or even infer it in any way.
I would consider that type of behavior to be most rude and unsavory on this forum. :p

But I did ask my mentor his opinion on some subjects and his response was what I wrote.


Also, good for you, having a direct line to the All-Knowing.
Thank you very much Mr. Andro. :) .... he won't give me the winning Lotto numbers. :(

Silly me took it for granted that many of the members of this type of forum would
also have some form of a Spiritual Connection.

At the moment the forum has 554 members and of this number I felt there would be
a percentage that possibly have spent some time perusing some form of a spiritual
connection.

Many people communicate with their Spirit Guides, Entities, Angels, The Divine,
God, The Force, Auntie Sally or who ever ... this isn't anything new.

Alchemists have been writing about "Divine Assistance" for hundreds if not
thousands of years ... again this isn't anything new.

I have been working on a Divine / Spiritual connection for about 50 years, it's
not easy ... it has to be worked at constantly and diligently to get results.


This thread was about assisting some members to try to build a Spiritual Connection
through the use of Meditation, Divining Tools, Etc, Etc ............

If you are not trying to build some sort of spiritual connection, then you are most probably wasting your time in Alchemy.

Without "Divine Assistance" you will never receive the guidance you need for any sort
of genuine advancement in Alchemy.

This is why it is so very important if you feel this is your path.

black
08-16-2021, 01:06 PM
What does the all knowing say about black tar and an open flame ?
Isnt a direct line to the all knowing a wild claim ?
How does the all knowing converse ?
With words ?
How many mountains are moving ?
What about that demon ?
Why hasnt anyone noticed ?
Am i truly alone now ?
The last one ?


Hello Kibric

If I recall correctly, you have searched for a spiritual connection and did go through
some training ? I think I remember you talking about Sidis and such like ?

My life was empty and hurtful before I found that doors can open, but we need
to ask for assistance / guidance.

Many Great things are possible.

Most people believe that they can't communicate with the Divine.

Some people believe that they can.

Do you think that this type of communication is possible ?

Have you tried to communicate with the Divine or what ever name you choose to use ?

We are all born from the Light and we can all communicate with the Light. :D :) ;)

Christophorus
08-16-2021, 07:21 PM
I did not understood the game until the end.
I did had my experiences, had used divination tools, tarot and pendule mostly. But also my own body as a vehicle to the answers. This king of game is good to develop, most certainly the assurance and trust. Without it we tend to sabotage the processes, IMO. I develop my trust in the providence above everything. If you need it, it will be provided. Ask and you shall receive. The thing is that to ask is not to just ask. Is asking with pure heart. IMO.

Andro
08-16-2021, 08:31 PM
He won't give me the winning Lotto numbers.
Statistically speaking, the "All-Knowing" has been recorded to hand out way more winning lottery numbers than Ph. Stone recipes.

On a side note, the same goes for the ratio between winning lottery numbers and honest real estate agents.

Christophorus
08-16-2021, 09:22 PM
Statistically speaking, the "All-Knowing" has been recorded to hand out way more winning lottery numbers than Ph. Stone recipes.

On a side note, the same goes for the ratio between winning lottery numbers and honest real estate agents.

Wow. Not what you guys expected?

Kiorionis
08-16-2021, 11:29 PM
When will the next game be!?

:)

black
08-17-2021, 12:28 AM
When will the next game be!?

:)

You asked for it ... so it will be posted today. :p

black
08-17-2021, 01:40 AM
The thing is that to ask is not to just ask. Is asking with pure heart. IMO.

I totally agree.

Kiorionis
08-17-2021, 12:01 PM
You asked for it ... so it will be posted today. :p

Awesome! Looking forward to it!

black
08-19-2021, 10:26 AM
Are there any members that have Spiritual or Theurgic Practices where they
communicate with Disembodied Souls, Spirit Guides, Entities, Gods, etc, and when I say
communicate I'm referring to asking questions then getting answers ?

If so have you done any follow up to verify those answers to be correct ? :)

Andro
08-19-2021, 10:54 AM
have you done any follow up to verify those answers to be correct ?
Why bother asking for "answers" in the first place?

Not unlike human people giving us "answers". The differences across the various species are far less than one might presume.

If one develops a long-lasting relationship with a certain being (physical or not, it doesn't matter), and trust is allowed to develop over time, then it's a different story, and the relationship will have much less of a "Q&A" nature.

Anyone who wants "answers" should call themselves on the phone and answer the call. Sometimes this phone can ring for years or decades before it is finally picked up, if at all.

black
08-19-2021, 01:42 PM
Why bother asking for "answers" in the first place?

Do you think you can achieve the Great Work with logic and study ?

Do you think the ego can find it's way through this Divine Labyrinth ?

Do you think you can get the Philosophers Stone and the knowledge of how to use it without Divine Guidance ? It's impossible.

It's All about the Question "Ask and you shall receive".

Those that are too proud to ask, don't even get their foot in the Door.



Not unlike human people giving us "answers". The differences across the various species are far less than one might presume.

That is correct to my understanding.


If one develops a long-lasting relationship with a certain being (physical or not, it doesn't matter), and trust is allowed to develop over time, then it's a different story, and the relationship will have much less of a "Q&A" nature.

Yes this is also true up to a point.
I have communicated with many different entities but I must say most of them are
just like talking to people anywhere.

They know nothing about Alchemy !!!

We all have an eternal relationship with the "Alpha/Omega" and He knows all about
Alchemy.

Alchemy is a Protected, Guarded, Divine Science where the Understanding of it is
gifted by the "Alpha/Omega" ... not the spirit of dead aunt Sally or my good mate
Collin who works at the bowling alley.

If it was that easy then millions of people would have it.



Anyone who wants "answers" should call themselves on the phone and answer the call.

Yes I agree on several levels. We are of the "Alpha/Omega".

There is close to 8 billion people in this world, how many do you think have SM ?



Sometimes this phone can ring for years or decades before it is finally picked up, if at all.

Exactly Mr. Andro HE is constantly trying to call us, but we are too busy living our lives of "Idiocracy".

I'm trying to stimulate more members to Phone Home or answer the Call.

Especially if they want any sort of advancement in this Great Work.

IMO .... ;)

Christophorus
08-19-2021, 01:58 PM
Are there any members that have Spiritual or Theurgic Practices where they
communicate with Disembodied Souls, Spirit Guides, Entities, Gods, etc, and when I say
communicate I'm referring to asking questions then getting answers ?

If so have you done any follow up to verify those answers to be correct ? :)

Been there done that.
Theurgy is a very particular subject that I believe not many people can talk about. Magnets can be used externally and internally. But my experience today goes more in tune with what Andro wrote.


Why bother asking for "answers" in the first place?

Not unlike human people giving us "answers". The differences across the various species are far less than one might presume.

If one develops a long-lasting relationship with a certain being (physical or not, it doesn't matter), and trust is allowed to develop over time, then it's a different story, and the relationship will have much less of a "Q&A" nature.

Anyone who wants "answers" should call themselves on the phone and answer the call. Sometimes this phone can ring for years or decades before it is finally picked up, if at all.

Following what I wrote above, there's a relationship that takes some time to establish between our external and internal being based on TRUST.
The first obstacle is called ourselves. We don't really trust ourselves (we believe we do, but that is generally a lie protected by many layers of personas).

In an example: Imagine someone is going to perform a ritual. Generally, at the beginning of those works, the mind gets crazy about candles, movements, words, tones, orientation, etc. Am I turned to East? or North? Is the room ok? Are the vestments ok? etc etc... With all of that the real thing does not happen at all.

If you need a temple, just take a pen and write TEMPLE on a sheet of paper. Now you have one! Really? YES.
Do you need the Rituale Romanum to perform an exorcism? Or is the exorcism being done as you simply approach the objects you will use if needed?
The why's and how's are important but not as important as the causes that originate it. IMO.

This does not mean that some dreams are not important, that signals or glyphs appearing in the incense burning do not have meanings, and that other tools like tarot or pendulum should not be used. Each one should do as they want and in total liberty. Always considering that tools are tools and that the operator IS the operator.

I sometimes say, joking seriously, that one that wants to follow an initiatory path, should do around 5 years of psychotherapy to solve the basic problems that sometimes take decades or even lives to pass.
Without this, sometimes people get caught in the "esoturism" and in the "Esoexotism" of the tools and forget the most important part of all of it: themselves. Seen it many many times.

:)

Andro
08-19-2021, 02:19 PM
Anyone who wants "answers" should call themselves on the phone and answer the call. Sometimes this phone can ring for years or decades before it is finally picked up, if at all.

My (previous) reply, quoted above, already and specifically addresses your (previous) statement, quoted below.


Do you think you can achieve the Great Work with logic and study ?

Do you think the ego can find it's way through this Divine Labyrinth ?

Do you think you can get the Philosophers Stone and the knowledge of how to use it without Divine Guidance ? It's impossible.

It's All about the Question "Ask and you shall receive".

Those that are too proud to ask, don't even get their foot in the Door.

Communication of this sort becomes way more simple and non-ritualistic over the years.

For example, I can literally perform Shamanic Journeys and assist people to completely heal from sometimes very challenging conditions, while being in a noisy restaurant or even while taking a dump in the toilet. Yes, you heard right. It doesn't affect the potency of the Journey in the very least.

Phase In, Phase Out.

Sounds simple, but this Simplicity is the result of decades of "Complexity". Couldn't have reached it otherwise, apparently. Not me, at least.


one that wants to follow an initiatory path, should do around 5 years of psychotherapy

At least for me, the Path IS the "psychotherapy".


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black
08-20-2021, 01:41 AM
If you need a temple, just take a pen and write TEMPLE on a sheet of paper. Now you have one! Really? YES.
Do you need the Rituale Romanum to perform an exorcism? Or is the exorcism being done as you simply approach the objects you will use if needed?
The why's and how's are important but not as important as the causes that originate it. IMO.

Yes I agree ...intention is the Cause and the Effect will follow.


This does not mean that some dreams are not important, that signals or glyphs appearing in the incense burning do not have meanings, and that other tools like tarot or pendulum should not be used. Each one should do as they want and in total liberty. Always considering that tools are tools and that the operator IS the operator.

I sometimes say, joking seriously, that one that wants to follow an initiatory path, should do around 5 years of psychotherapy to solve the basic problems that sometimes take decades or even lives to pass.
Without this, sometimes people get caught in the "esoturism" and in the "Esoexotism" of the tools and forget the most important part of all of it: themselves. Seen it many many times.

Everything that you have written here fits well with my understanding also.

black
08-20-2021, 01:45 AM
Communication of this sort becomes way more simple and non-ritualistic over the years.

I totally agree. The more we practice the less need we have for ritual or tools.


For example, I can literally perform Shamanic Journeys and assist people to completely heal from sometimes very challenging conditions, while being in a noisy restaurant or even while taking a dump in the toilet. Yes, you heard right. It doesn't affect the potency of the Journey in the very least.

Love the restaurant/toilet bit.


Phase In, Phase Out.

Sounds simple, but this Simplicity is the result of decades of "Complexity". Couldn't have reached it otherwise, apparently. Not me, at least.

Thank you for this Mr. Andro, it shows us what can be achieved if we make the effort.