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solomon levi
06-26-2009, 01:36 PM
Here's a nice link:

http://www.homepages.ihug.com.au/~panopus/lab/primumens.htm

tz990
06-26-2009, 04:59 PM
so this melissae is the best one to work with spagyrics if you want to produce the elixir of life?

solomon levi
06-26-2009, 05:23 PM
Yes, as far as plants go. Maybe Celandine has similar properties.
Then certain alkahests are supposed to produce the restoration of
youth and vitality as well... the Paracelsus alkahest is supposed to do this.

solomon

tz990
06-26-2009, 06:19 PM
solomon tank you for the information i am really new to alchemy and i have a big interest in spagyrics

solomon levi
06-26-2009, 07:43 PM
You're welcome.
And welcome to alchemy forums.
:)

MarkostheGnostic
07-29-2009, 04:48 PM
Greetings!

I am not new to alchemy, but I am new to practical alchemy, and it is awesome to find actual individuals who are experimenting in this strange domain! It seems that you have some real experience in the preparation of Spagyric substances, and I seem to have been possessed by a curiosity this summer that I haven't felt since before I graduated from high school! I will sit in the back row of these threads and learn from those who are in a position to instruct - such as yourself.

I have read The Path of Alchemy by Stavish, Spagyrics by Junius, and The Weiser Concise Guide to Alchemy by Cotnor since June. I have also been reading Organic Chemistry Demystified and an old (pre-Keck clip) version of The Organic Chem Lab Survival Manual. I'll admit that I haven't gotten very far in the former, but I left chemistry studies behind when I turned to philosophy long ago. I have dug out chemistry equipment from childhood, and synchronistically, a teacher I work with gave me a couple of sets of 19/22 organic chem equipment (a couple of pics in my album). Amazing!

I have had a wonderfully long summer vacations, and these new interests in actual laboratory work have come as a renaissance if not as a revelation to me. I'm 'chomping at the bit' to get started. All I've done thus far is distilled the Philosophical Mercury from vino, and separated acetic acid from vino vinegar in the freezer, in preparation for distillation. I must find sources for plants - especially live ones. I only recently discovered to my dismay, that the Whole Foods store we frequent, has eliminated their dried herbs section :( .

At any rate, I'm simply voicing an appreciation, and I'm expressing a pleasant surprise that I'm not the only one in this particular 'fringe' of intellectual society.
Peace.

- MtG

solomon levi
08-03-2009, 09:38 AM
Greetings Markos!
Those are good books. Here's one of my favorites:
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=815

The ens process is quite simple and there's much to explore with it.
I've also applied it to urine and mineral preparations with interesting results.
It's nice for beginners as it doesn't require any special glasses or even distillation
equipment (if you don't mind ingesting as a tincture; and if you want to seperate
the alcohol, that can be done on an ordinary stovetop if you don't mind losing
the alcohol through evaporation).

Nice to have you here.
I share an interest in Gnosticism as well. :)

solomon

MarkostheGnostic
08-04-2009, 10:21 PM
Thanks for the welcome Solomon (Sol+moon)!
I have read of "ens," tinctures, elixirs and decoctions with some fascination. Some writers make much more of planetary hours and days for selecting herbs and/or doing certain operations. I am ping-ponging between a magickal and a scientific mindset with some confusion. I haven't done lab work for decades, and at the same time I have had decades of experience with the Jungian version of alchemy. Now, it seems, I am coming full circle in terms of laboratory 'play.' But also, in an attempt to reconnect the inner with the outer on yet another level, I have re-connected with a much earlier part of my life (ending at high school), instead of re-connecting with some kind of Gnostic or magickal ritual. My Lady appreciates this choice because standing in a Faustian circle is just too far out for her, but if there are some tangible physical or psychological effects from Spagyrics, she is much more open to my personal renaissance.

For both of us, entheogens have been something of a Philosophers' Stone (no pun intended). One mushroom sclerotia forms a hard, sapphire-blue, crystalline substance, for example. Pure LSD emits light in total darkness, just as in the reports of other alchemical 'ens' or stones (e.g., the ruby-red honey-stone I read about in Junius' book just yesterday).

Aside from a form of discipline and meditation of these operations, can I expect a substance that will have psychophysical or psychospiritual effects? I'm not referring to psychoactive molecules in plants necessarily, but again, that is part of the question. What, for example, does Lemon Balm bring to our experience? :confused:

solomon levi
08-04-2009, 10:39 PM
LOL! ... Faustian circles :D
Yes - we must keep the misses happy!

Well, my lemon balm didn't produce the magnificient healing items that have
been documented, but it did give me nice clarity and well-being.
I didn't really get to dream with it. I work nights so dreams are not as frequent
a thing for me as they have been in the past. I've been wanting to make it again this
year but haven't found the plants for sale where I found them last year. I'll try
and collect some from friends. I think I'd like to try just leaving the plant in
a moist heat for six months to a year as Glauber said. This results in a juice
that he claims has all the effects that had been attributed to it - meaning the
renewal of hair and nails and teeth, etc. I'd like to put some of the plant to that
and some towards the ens again and this time take it more consistently.

solomon

MarkostheGnostic
08-05-2009, 04:21 AM
Thanks for the candid reply! :D

solomon levi
09-03-2009, 01:30 PM
Here's a pic of how the digestion is going.
I added a little water and a little alcohol to the materia.
This is not the ens process actually, but another
work on Melissae given by Glauber.
Unfortunately I only have this small amount of
materia to work on. Hopefully it will be enough for something.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/8-30-011.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=131&u=12781761)

Here's the process; page 102:

http://books.google.com/books?id=nntKEQVzHP0C&pg=PA8&dq=Glauber,+compendium+alchemy,+melissae#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Ab Roek
09-04-2009, 03:28 AM
Solomon,

In the Glauber process that you mentioned, do you have any further insight on the "liquor" from melted sea salt that "runs and becomes limpid and clear"? It seems that he is describing a deliquescent property of the salt. Have you done any similar work with sea salt before that might be relevant here?

He also mentions that the salt should be "well putrified" before melting.

solomon levi
09-04-2009, 10:43 AM
Solomon,

In the Glauber process that you mentioned, do you have any further insight on the "liquor" from melted sea salt that "runs and becomes limpid and clear"? It seems that he is describing a deliquescent property of the salt. Have you done any similar work with sea salt before that might be relevant here?

He also mentions that the salt should be "well putrified" before melting.

Greetings!
Yes, I have worked with sea salt:

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=656

I don't know if he actually means putrefied or decrepitated. I would
think he was familiar with decrepitation and would have used that
word if that's what he meant. But I don't know. If you can putrefy sea
salt, you already have a wonderful medicine, as in the much discussed
and debated "Leyden process". That's what I like about this - combining
two powerful medicines, since I don't know of anyone having success with
the normal ens method.

solomon levi
09-12-2009, 05:58 AM
From my tartar and dead sea salt experiment, one might assume that
the putrefaction of sea salt produces ormus. Putrefaction is often
associated with alkalinity. It is known that tartar helps induce putrefaction.

Perhaps ormus is produced and then used to boosts the power of the ens.
(See thread, m-state as booster).

Ab Roek
09-12-2009, 10:15 AM
From my tartar and dead sea salt experiment, one might assume that
the putrefaction of sea salt produces ormus. Putrefaction is often
associated with alkalinity. It is known that tartar helps induce putrefaction.

Perhaps ormus is produced and then used to boosts the power of the ens.
(See thread, m-state as booster).

Solomon,

I read the other thread you mentioned, interesting stuff.

Upon further contemplation, the "putrefaction" seems to me to likely be a reference to calcination, in this context. As you know, some of the older authors sometimes refer to calcination as a "putrefying" process.

However, something still seems to be missing for me regarding what Glauber meant by "melting" the sea salt. I don't currently have the equipment to get sea salt hot enough to physically melt, but I did try a calcination on my natural gas stove, and I was able to drive some moisture out of the crystals. I can possibly borrow a MAPP gas torch from a friend, perhaps that would be hot enough.

I should also mention that, in order to get the oil to swim to the surface in the end as Glauber mentions, the overall solution should probably be acidic. This calls to mind, for me, the production of HCl from sea salt via distillation.

solomon levi
09-15-2009, 12:29 AM
Thanks Ab Roek.

Yeah, the MAPP torch should work. Just start with small amounts and add
more after that is molten. It will help if you heat the bottom of your crucible
or steel pot or whatever you use, with the camp stove and hit it from the top
with the torch.
But I have wondered if melting items from the top, the gas flame directly interacting
with the materia, may affect/pollute the end result. I don't know.

A turkey burner is pretty powerful.
And then there are burners you can find in hardware stores that go up to 2000.
I got one for for $50. http://www.flameengineering.com/Red_Dragon_Propane_Torch_K.html

;)

solomon levi
10-22-2009, 04:51 AM
This is kinda cool. I found my ens material from last year and there was
still a little liquid in the bottom. It's the nicest green I've seen. You can
also see the red alkali in this top pic.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/stibi_15.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=184&u=12781761)

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/stibi_16.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=185&u=12781761)

Since this materia is pretty spent, I decided to put some acetone on it to
see if I can get anymore oil. It turned green right away; not as nice as the
aged one with alcohol, but I'll let it sit a while and then evaporate the acetone or something.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/stibi_17.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=186&u=12781761)

This herb had already been worked a couple times with alkali too. I'm
surprised how much keeps coming. I didn't want to throw it away. :p

solomon levi
10-22-2009, 10:39 PM
Here, the next morning, you can see the acetone has done a wonderful
job of extracting the tincture... really beautiful green.
Compare to the pic yesterday above.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/stibi_26.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=195&u=12781761)

solomon levi
10-24-2009, 08:43 AM
Here is the pure green oil of melissae with all the alcohol evaporated off.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/stibi_27.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=196&u=12781761)

Tasting a tiny bit of the thick oil/paste, one senses a citrus-y component.
Then I'm reminded it is LEMON balm. Otherwise it has a grassy smell and
taste to it - very green.

This oil in a half-glass of wine or beer has a wonderful energy, calming,
spreading, expanding through my brain. It's REALLY nice.


I'm starting to evaporate the acetone now. I'll see how that one turns out.
I expect I'll end up with more of the oil which will probably need to be washed
clean of the acetone a couple times.
I'll keep an eye on the acetone and see if any other oil pops up while
evaporating, as Becker claimed to produce. Maybe the essential oil of
the melissae will bring it alive again.

Ghislain
10-25-2009, 09:02 AM
Sol'

This has nothing to do with this thread but when I produced the nitric acid,
in the flask with all the waste was floating what I first thought to be tiny bits of
grass. As this couldn't be I poked about and fished them out. At first I
thought maybe crystal...once out of the flask they appeared yellowish. (http://genius.toucansurf.com/wax.jpg) I left them
in a dish to dry out and when inspected closer they appeared to be some sort of wax. They are still in the dish and haven't changed at all.

I squashed some in my fingers and it had very little smell...and little taste on the end of my tongue...I spat this out :p

Any idea what they may be? ...I ask this as you seem to be familiar with the creation of oils.

In the flask was NH4NO3, H2SO4 and copper.

One thought is that they were the result of impurities in the flask I used.
I need to try the experiment again with clean apparatus to see if it repeats.

Ghislain

solomon levi
10-25-2009, 10:31 PM
Could be crystals of sulphur.
They're yellow and waxy.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/stibi_32.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=201&u=12781761)

solomon levi
10-26-2009, 01:25 AM
I should note that the only thing wanting in my ens process is the salts,
which I will calcine and include next week.

solomon levi
11-08-2009, 11:03 AM
The ens of melissae:

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/gala_015.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=213&u=12781761)

Fireball
12-24-2009, 04:22 PM
I should note that the only thing wanting in my ens process is the salts,
which I will calcine and include next week.

Hi, Solomon.
I have accomplished my ens melissa process. The result is yellowish/golden oil extracted with ether instead of wine alcohol. I think it is a fixed sulphur of melissa. And it's only natural to unite it with some salt - fixed or volatile.

We can achieve that by Dr.Geoffroy method. Simply to heat up a potash and imbibe it with our fixed sulphur and stir it thoroughly till perfect union of the two.

The second method i have on my mind is little bit complicated, but may give some interesting results....
We may circulate potash and highly rectified alcohol of wine for some month. Then distille out the alcohol and by this to volatilize some salts of potash. (Not sure it will work, but i read something about volatilization of fixed alkali)
Then we just imbibe our new Spirit of Wine with volatile salts on the fixed sulphur of melissa resulting in complete alkahest.:rolleyes:

Have you tried some of these or similar methods?
Does anybody tried to unite the Ens with the salt?
Does anybody tried to volatilize the fixed alkali(potash)?

solomon levi
12-29-2009, 06:11 PM
Those are good ideas.
I haven't tried them on melissae.

Another idea/alternative is to do the Geoffroy method on sea salt,
one somewhat prepared towards the fixed fusile salt preferably,
as Glauber mentions unifying these two in his recipe of the melissae ens.

Andro
03-04-2010, 05:03 PM
For a more effective variation of preparing the Ens, I suggest that the cycle needs to be repeated.
Deliquesce at night and exsiccate at day in the gentle (and hopefully dry) heat of the sun. Spring Full Moon seasons are best for this.
Repeat as often as needed until satisfactory saturation and some parallels with Starkey's circulation are observed.

This is somehow similar to the '1/1/1' approach, but especially suited for the plant kingdom.
It's also much easier, because you have the potash as an adequate magnet for this particular operation.
Also, making your own potash from the plant you're working with is highly preferable to buying it in a chemical supply store.

The attached pic is some leftover potash I've extracted from Melissa.

boever
10-10-2012, 02:19 PM
Hey

I'm quite new to this forum. But I have also made the ens melissa and would like to share what I have accomplished :
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/id2wlycq6gev7k7/uiO98bsnlB?m

This was a first test run with only 10 lemon balm leaves. It turned out quite well and I have about 60 drops of ens.
I am currently working on getting enough dew (need about 1.5l) for the "real" run. Just hoping my lemon balm won't milt before I capture enough dew.

I haven't taken the ens yet, so I can't confirm the results. I am still taking the planetary elixirs, I want to finish those before I start with the ens.

I'll post my progress here.

Krisztian
10-28-2012, 07:59 PM
This was a first test run with only 10 lemon balm leaves. It turned out quite well and I have about 60 drops of ens.

The ancients of antiquity have collected the salt of tartar from wood ash (i.e., oak, fern, etc.). If you run a fireplace, then you're in business! Old woodstove, all the better.



Scoop out the ashes, place them in plastic bucket (of your size choice).
Pour clean water over it; stir, and of course let it settle.
Pour off the clear liquid (from the top). Filter, of course. And evaporate the remainder of water.

The energy that comes from 'natural' products - created by the hand of the alchemist - is second to non. . . . Just be cautious please!


I haven't taken the ens yet, so I can't confirm the results. I am still taking the planetary elixirs, I want to finish those before I start with the ens.

I've found the same. I also monitor the 'side effects' of each elixir or whatever else categorically-named medicine I take. The learning from the effects is crucial.

boever
04-24-2013, 07:47 AM
Hi,

I am attempting to make the ens melissa according to the recipe found here :
http://www.innergarden.org/en/ens.html

I am about to filter the solution but I have a problem :
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hma6e4scb51dmbw/rv3xZMPej-

I used way to much potcarb. As you can see in the picture the potcarb that didn't dissolve in the dew has dropped down to the bottom. As you can see there is formed a green coloured layer on top of the potcarb..

How should I proceed?
1) Pour the alcohol on top of this solution?
2) Take out the leaves and pour alcohol on top of that solution?
3) Stirr the solution, filter it and then pour alcohol on the filtered solution?

What do you guys think is best? Any other suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

Kiorionis
04-24-2013, 04:32 PM
maybe try straining out all the gross material and then gently pouring the alcohol on top so that it floats. From my understanding of the process the quintessence slowly rises into the alcohol.

at least that's what I'd do :)

Krisztian
04-24-2013, 06:37 PM
I used way too much potcarb.

That can happen. Potash can safely be filtered out after you place extraction in refrigerator for two days. Potash (containing water) will freeze of course, then filter. It'll be in chunks. I've done that. I believe Bartlett also suggests the procedure, so I'm not the only.

boever
07-20-2013, 09:08 AM
Hi,

I am working on the Primum Ens Melissa. I am using the Paracelsus method. Unfortunately I am always getting a yellowish brown coloured ens instead of the expected green coloured ens.

Maybe anyone here can help me with this?

First attempt :
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3gnCfV0RAOwN1JXb3VrSTB0RGc&usp=sharing
Second attempt :
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3gnCfV0RAOwZDc5N2xEUVRxU3M&usp=sharing

Kiorionis
07-20-2013, 03:42 PM
what time are you collecting your melissa officinalis?
are you certain it's melissa officinalis and not bee balm (monarda) -- its common to confuse the two.
what proportions are you using?
what kind of potash are you using?
did that cat in the second attempt tamper with it in any way? :p

boever
07-22-2013, 07:38 AM
I'm sure it's melissa officinalis. At what time should I be collecting the herbs? I never took that into consideration.
The proportions depend on the amount of lemon balm.
I'm using about 1l dew, 100gr potassium carbonate (bought on ebay) for each 100ml dew.

I'm now trying to sun dry my lemon balm and grinding it in a mortar...
third attempt :
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3gnCfV0RAOwU3otX284aHhPRE0&usp=sharing

Axismundi000
07-22-2013, 08:05 AM
That can happen. Potash can safely be filtered out after you place extraction in refrigerator for two days. Potash (containing water) will freeze of course, then filter. It'll be in chunks. I've done that. I believe Bartlett also suggests the procedure, so I'm not the only.

Yes if the potcarb was not fully anhydrous and the ethanol not fully dry (anhydrous) then freezing the liquid prior to distillation is a good emergency fix. The essential danger with the process is that when plant cellulose breaks down (the Melissa balm leaves), water is produced which can destroy the 'dryness' of the potcarb solution and subsequent ethanol.

Axismundi000
10-14-2013, 06:37 PM
Here is a link for pic of 25ml or so of Primum Ens Melissa. It was gently distilled until a slight oily rim formed in the flask, usually it would be reduced further (approx. 50%) to make a thicker greener oil. I intend to obtain at least 100ml of this concentration, maybe even 200ml and then evaporate down to a soft gum so more work next year in the growing season.

http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/Axismundi000/library/Primum%20Ens?sort=3&page=1

Some authors e.g. Bartlett suggest the ethanol/ens liquid can be used in dilute form, without distilling off any of the ethanol. My opinion at present is that by evaporating to a gum any residual potcarb pollutant will be largely 'squeezed out' of the product. Also the Ens will be more concentrated and have a more potent effect.

Normally I would not post this kind of thing but I like to keep my promises if I can.

archerner
07-28-2015, 05:26 AM
Been working to get potcarb from ashes, really interested in the Primum Ens Melissa.

Has anyone used D-limonene instead of ethyl alcohol?

From what I read the non-polar nature of d-limonene extracts the volatile oils from the tartar more easily although with a higher evaporation temp.


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theFool
07-28-2015, 08:03 AM
Has anyone used D-limonene instead of ethyl alcohol? From what I read the non-polar nature of d-limonene extracts the volatile oils from the tartar more easily although with a higher evaporation temp. Hello, your question is interesting for me also. I think various plant oils can be used maybe in combination with alcohol too. May I ask, where have you read that d-limonene extracts the volatile oils from the tartar more easily?

theFool
07-28-2015, 06:57 PM
This thread reminded me some old pics I have:
when alcohol was distilled from alkalized natural salts yielded a volatile salt that evaporates with it. In the following picture the distilled alcohol is left on a glass to evaporate. Just before complete evaporation you can see the hidden salt crystalizing in small grains inside the liquid alcohol. After a minute the alcohol and the salt vanishes and the glass is left empty.

http://i18.servimg.com/u/f18/13/27/64/97/vol110.png

Here a picture of the neck of the flask used for distiling. Some salt managed to ascend there by following the walls and covering them too.

http://i18.servimg.com/u/f18/13/27/64/97/vol210.png

I think people working this ens, might observe similar behavior with the distilled alcohol if they watch it carefully.

archerner
08-07-2015, 06:19 PM
Hello, your question is interesting for me also. I think various plant oils can be used maybe in combination with alcohol too. May I ask, where have you read that d-limonene extracts the volatile oils from the tartar more easily?

Sorry for the delay, its an article on non-alcoholic tinctures. http://www.innergarden.org/en/nonalcoholicspagyrics.html

I love your post on volatile salts in the alcohol, I had been wondering is the essential oil volatized with the potcarb would speed up extraction.
In regards to the process of making an ens, all the recipes seem to be lacking a crucial step or steps to get the truly potent medicine. I would love to be proven wrong, if any members here have experienced the effects of regeneration I'd be more then interested in hearing your account.
Personally Im still getting enough potcarb from oak to start, I don't plan on having the ens in hand until late next year as I want to grow the plants from seed.

I'd also like to speculate see if anyone has thoughts on the matter. Im a novice in the art, this might be complete nonsense.

Ive had this thought for a while that the whole plant needs to be used in making a complete medicine. And that the roots of the plant operate as the consciousness of the plant.
The roots of the plant, especially when they are from the same mother grow in unison and divvy up nutrients to support all the seeds growing, their common spirit thriving. Plants have a complex system of hormones that relate to defense mechanisms and survival. This is a little out there but stay with me. Melissa officinalis self seeds and creates a large cluster of tightly knit plants, Ive seen a garden overtaken by mint before, quite impressive.
Could our medicine be this spirit within the roots of the plant? Or at least facilitate its extraction more efficiently?
I had posted about D-limonene as a solvent extractor, although it seems to me it would be better used as a plant stone or alkahest for extracting the volatiles.
Could the roots be fermented with honey, specifically honey harvested from the lemon balm itself? The medicine does translate to the Prime Spirit of the Bee, so Id imagine honey should be used in making the alcohol.

I could be totally wrong on this, but it seems to fit the as above so below and unification of opposites found in alchemy. Along the same lines I'd wager that perhaps the plant itself must be of a higher order, as in John French's art of distillation there is a recipe for creating a plant greater than its natural counter parts. That the medicine comes from an evolving plant.

TO MAKE A VEGETABLE GROW AND BECOME MORE GLORIOUS THAN ANY OF ITS SPECIES
Reduce any vegetable into its three first principles. Then join them together again, being well purified, and put the same into a rich earth, and you shall have it produce a vegetable far more glorious than any of its species.
Now, how to make such an essence, look into the first book, and there you shall see the process thereof. - http://www.levity.com/alchemy/jfren_5.html


TO REDUCE THE WHOLE HERB INTO A LIQUOR WHICH MAY WELL BE CALLED THE ESSENCE THEREOF
Take the whole herb with flowers and roots and make it very clean. Then bruise it in a stone mortar and put it into a large glass vessel so two parts of three may be empty. Cover it exceeding close and let it stand in putrefaction in a moderate heat the space of half a year, and it will all be turned into a water.


THE TRUE ESSENCE OR RATHER QUINTESSENCE OF ANY HERB IS MADE THUS
When you have made the water and oil of any vegetable first calcine or burn to ashes the remainder of the herb. With the ashes make a lye by pouring its own water thereon. When you have drawn out all the strength of the ashes, then take all the lye, being first filtered, and vapor it away and at the bottom you shall find a black salt which you must take and put into a crucible and melt it in a strong fire (covering the crucible all the time it is melting). After it is melted let it boil half an hour or more. Then take it out and beat it small and set it in a cellar on a marble stone or in a broad glass and it will all be resolved into a liquor. This liquor filter and vapor away the humidity until it be very dry and as white as snow. Then let this salt imbibe as much of the oil of the same vegetable as it can, but no more, lest you labor in vain. Then digest them together until the oil will not rise from the salt, but both become a fixed powder melting with an easy heat. - http://www.levity.com/alchemy/jfren_1.html

Sorry if this is rambling, I have a lot of thoughts.

All this to say, I believe this is a spiritual medicine that must be given by the plant and not taken. Shamanic practices of enlisting plant teachers comes to mind when thinking of truly connecting with the intelligence of Melissa Officinalis. Perhaps a deep connection with the plant is an essential for the medicine to work.

Totally open to being completely wrong, its all about learning and growing.
Interested to hear some opinions.

Kiorionis
08-07-2015, 11:20 PM
In regards to the process of making an ens, all the recipes seem to be lacking a crucial step or steps to get the truly potent medicine.

I agree with you, archerner. Most of the time, the 'alchemical' recipes given in books are only the physical operating procedures, and it's up to the alchemist to see what's going on inside the laboratory operation.


If any members here have experienced the effects of regeneration I'd be more then interested in hearing your account.

Here is some ongoing work with Aloe Barbadensis (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3247-Aloe-Barbadensis&highlight=aloe+barbadensis) that you might find interesting.


Ive had this thought for a while that the whole plant needs to be used in making a complete medicine. And that the roots of the plant operate as the consciousness of the plant.

I personally think the whole plant is a vessel for consciousness, and not just the roots or leaves or flowers.


Could the roots be fermented with honey, specifically honey harvested from the lemon balm itself?

The roots of melissa officianalis could easily be fermented with honey. Although in most common cases, it will only produce flavored mead.

archerner
08-09-2015, 01:50 PM
Thanks for the feedback :) was afraid I was going to get blasted lol.

You're right about the entire plant being conscious, there's a great section of this Fridays Mysterious Universe talking about plant consciousness. http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/08/14-06-mu-podcast/ I highly reccomend the podcast to anyone interested in the paranormal.

Thanks for the tip about aloe, reading through your experiment it's obvious that aloe has regenerative properties. Have you had any further success retrieving the red liquid?

Back to the Ens, I know I'm most likely complicating things too much.

Kiorionis
08-09-2015, 04:19 PM
Nope, haven't gone much farther with aloe, but I have a pretty good idea on which direction to take. It's been a couple years since I've had a proper external laboratory. Starting to miss it.

Good luck to your ens work. I find the practice is what usually clears up any complications and confusions.

abdo
05-15-2017, 03:38 PM
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6fnnTXKFuTdUlFWS0hIRkQ4Ums/view?usp=drivesdkSqueezing juice out of Melissa

I am using a slow juicer machine to get the Melissa liquid and the residue separated, then combine them back and proceed using either methods to get the Primum Ens.

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