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Awani
01-03-2009, 12:34 PM
This is a Phoenix-thread (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=7) from the old site (http://alchemy-forums.forumotion.com/forum.htm).

Stumbled upon an interesting article by Adam Mclean:

Contained in this is a work of practical experiments by the supposed Raymond Lully (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramon_Llull). These are likely to have been written in the seventeeth century based on some earlier publications of 'Lully' experiments in Latin and German... The text is one of those works of practical alchemy in which the experiments are simply described. Unlike other texts of practical alchemy which obviously on purpose code or obscure the meaning of the terms involved, this would appear to be a straightforward account of a series of experiments. We will just look at the first 'experiment' which is in chapters 1 and 2 and give a reading of the text into modern chemical terms.
Read it HERE (http://www.alchemywebsite.com/lully_experiments.html)

Also check out Mnemonic Arts of Blessed Raymond LULL (http://lullianarts.net/)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Ramon_Llull.jpg/200px-Ramon_Llull.jpg
Ahh. This is a similar process as that given by Manly Hall in his opus Secret Teachings of All Ages.
It's titled, "A True Revelation of the Manual Operation for the Universal Medicine commonly called The Philosophers' Stone"
by the celebrated Philosopher of Leyden.They both produce a sea salt that will melt on a hot silver plate like wax.
But from there they differ a bit. The Philosopher of Leyden says:
"Before you set your salt out, set it again in the furnace of putrefaction that it may dissolve of itself
(Lully said to avoid this happening), then let it cool, open your glass, and you will find your matter lessened
a third part. But instead of your former salt water, you will have a fine sweet and very penetrating water which the
philosophers have hid under very wonderful names - it is the mercury of all true philosophers...."

Perhaps Leyden was able to concentrate his salt into a nitric acid, because one other difference is that he gives a very
specific time and occasion for the collection of dew which is then distilled and then the salt added to it and the
putrefactions follow and he ends up with the salt that melts like wax. Then putrefying it the last time and evaporating
off a third would concentrate the sodium chloride, ammonia, nitrogen, etc, that probably made an acid strong enough
to dissolve gold and silver.

He then describes the virtues of this water as a medicine itself before going on to describe the medicine for metals,
in which he declares this mercury itself will dissolve leaf gold or silver, whereas Lully dissolved his silver in nitric acid
and added the salt dissolved in nitric acid too. But they seem to be very similar.