PDA

View Full Version : Ayahuasca



Awani
09-30-2009, 08:34 AM
I'll give this a try in January 2010. Any experienced here?

Some good resources:

Ayahuasca Info (http://www.ayahuasca-info.com/)
Ayahuasca Links (http://www.ayahuasca-info.com/links/)


Related thread:

Ayahuasca Report (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1298-Ayahuasca-Report)
Ayahuasca Trip (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=286)


:cool:

WCH
10-01-2009, 05:38 PM
I have no personal experience with ayahuasca, but I do have some knowledge. One important thing to keep in mind is that it often begins with something called "the purge," which is generally pretty gross (vomiting and diarrhea), but people describe it as oddly cleansing, like afterward you feel really good, like you're purging all sorts of nastiness out of your body, and that can get you in the right headspace for the trip.

Most people already know that you need to follow a special diet before taking ayahuasca (or anything that contains MAOIs). Look it up and do so; there are a number of relatively common food items which interact badly with MAOIs, including cheese. Also make sure not to mix them with any other drugs, as there's a severe chance of overdose -- serotonin shock syndrome if you combine them with a normal dose of another psychedelic like mushrooms, for example. For the technically minded, the dangerous drugs and chemicals are "monoamines," which account for most of the big name neurotransmitters (including serotonin). MAOIs prevent the breakdown of monoamines and cause them to hit way harder, so anything in that (rather large) family of chemicals could be perfectly safe normally, and potentially lethal in the presence of an MAOI (just occurred to me: in the Diviner's Sage thread I mentioned how Salvia is unusual because it doesn't contain nitrogen -- now that can come into context somewhat, as "amines" are chemical groups with a nitrogen backbone, so Salvia is an exceptional drug in that it probably wouldn't interact with MAOIs, whereas most others do).

@deviadah
Are you going to a traditional ceremony with a shaman, or will you be taking ayahuasca made by yourself or a friend?

Poimandres
10-01-2009, 09:08 PM
In 2005, my best friend and colleague from university and I took a 6 week trip into the amazon to study the indigenous cosmologies and traditions of the local people. Despite it being an academic venture, paid for in the most part by the university's archaeology and anthropology department, our goal from the start was to experience Ayahuasca. We were lucky enough to have found a real Quechua Ayahuasquero in a small village off one of the amazonian tributaries in Peru to introduce us to La Madre.

Something I stress is that this must be done in a ritual setting; the shaman that gave it to us had an entire liturgy of spells/enchants in the form of song that are designed to guide and protect you through the process. Still today I can vividly recall the rasping sounds of dried leaves that he would rhythmically shake over us while whistling a high-pitched melody interlaced with the Quechua names for the elements and spirits. I remember asking him the purpose of the leaves and song and he told me it was to ward of the evil spirits and purify us and the jungle around us for La Madre's arrival.

The first indication of the Ayahuasca working within was an incredible attunement to the cosmos. I remember feeling the blood inside me as if electricity had filled my veins. It was exhilarating! The sounds of the jungle were incredibly magnified, a mosquito sounded like a 747 jumbo jet, the gentle breeze felt and sounded like a whirling tornado. The stars in the sky were blazing, painful to look at, yet impossible to look away. These exalted sensations were the last things I can describe in detail, these were the things that led up to the purge and everything that would follow occurred on a purely metaphysical plane and cannot be described in mundane words.

The purge is not as bad as some make it out to be. Generally you do not vomit and have diarrhea, it is one or the other. My buddy got the runs, and I ended up vomiting. It seems that it is only after the purge that La Madre will make herself manifest. For me she arrived in the form of an ethereal winged serpent and spoke in an undecipherable symbolic language, yet her words directly imprinted themselves in my mind and I was able to perfectly understand them. Much was revealed to me regarding my own spiritual and worldly path; needless to say, it was an initiation of sorts and that which she revealed to me will forever define who I am. The entire experience took about 4 hours (from roughly 2am to 6am); a ritual bath in the river accompanied by the rising sun completed the ritual.

It is a truly unique and magnificent experience....indescribable for the most part. However, if you want to get a good prelude into what it is, I suggest you rent the movie Blueberry (2004), also released under the title Renegade. There is a scene in this movie that is the closest representation I've ever seen to the Ayahuasca experience.

Awani
10-01-2009, 09:15 PM
There is a scene in this movie that is the closest representation I've ever seen to the Ayahuasca experience.

YouTube clip of this scene HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ42SqtLlLE)

:cool:

Poimandres
10-01-2009, 09:39 PM
YouTube clip of this scene HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ42SqtLlLE)

:cool:

That's the one! Clearly the experience is not as "hollywood", but the idea is perfectly exemplified...the shattering of the material matrix. Sounds are shapes, forces are beings, and all around you slithers the divine passive presence of La Madre (Shekhinah/Sophia).

MarkostheGnostic
10-02-2009, 02:45 AM
In Miami, there is an Ayahuascero who comes to town periodically with a supply of the brew. I have not attended, by a friend of mine has on more than one occasion. It is held, unfortunately, in an apartment! People are given a plastic pail to vomit in. Soetimes nothing at all happens, except for sickness - it has become inert.

I gave 3.5 gms of P. cubensis to this friend. It did not make him ill, and he said that it was comparable to a working dose of ayahuasca. I realize that there are signature differences. People may see cats on ayahuasca - big cats. Even Greenland Eskimo have reported visions of large house cats (not having ever seen jungle cats).

Personally, having taken Peyote, and Heavenly Blue Morning Glory seeds (which ALWAYS made me vomit before I'd soar, though the soaring was run through with lethatgy [See LSD: My Problem Child by Albert Hofmann on this lethargy of LSA]), I feel sympatico with Sacred Mushrooms. I do not feel that I need to purge - fast, yes, purge, no. I have used fresh and dried, usually dried to avoid sickness. I have not needed to exceed 4.0 gms of the P. cubensis variety, but 5.0 gms is called "a heroic dose." After years of high-dose LSD, I have already had the classic experiences and only require the occasional 'booster shot.'

I was introduced to Pablo Amaringo, at Miami-Dade College, years ago, who gave me a hearty embrace after I assured him (as a psychotherapist), when he asked me if I thought him mad. I told him (by translator Edwardo Luna) that "I think you are quite sane." If you do not know the former visionary ayahuascero and sorcerer: http://www.amazon.com/reader/1556433115?_encoding=UTF8&ref_=sib%5Fdp%5Fpt#reader

WCH
11-18-2009, 07:53 PM
5 grams isn't what I'd call a "heroic" dose... large, yes, but people do much larger.

An old way of categorizing the experience distinguishes between "psychelytic" and "psychedelic." The difference is mainly a matter of scale -- drugs described as psychedelic are typically psychelytic if you just use less of them.

Psychelytic means that it allows you to examine your psyche -- do self analysis, reflection, etc, get at some of your underlying thought processes and generally gain insight into yourself. You can get this from one normal hit of acid, or a gram and a half or so of mushrooms, or even somtimes from cannabis (I find small doses of cannabis are actually preferable here -- a single toke followed by some reflection yields far greater results than either taking multiple bong hits, or not smoking any at all).

Psychedelic means that not only do you have your thought processes available to you for analysis upon reflection, but they're actually manifested and/or revealed. This can be a great deal more overwhelming and as a result can be difficult to make any sense of, but can make obvious things you wouldn't normally have thought of even in reflection. This is where you have visions, mystical experiences, etc. Some people can have this on a hit or two of acid or 2.5 grams of mushrooms, but more typically this only happens when you do larger amounts (3 hits of acid, or ~5 grams of mushrooms).

In general, using a drug as a psychelytic is a good deal safer than using it as a psychedelic, and much easier to manage/integrate. There is something to be said for plumbing the depths of the subconscious... but it can perhaps be compared to dynamiting the door of the imagination, when simply turning the knob would've sufficed if you already knew there was a knob to turn (many people don't even know there's a door until they first take these drugs and find it by accident).

solomon levi
11-24-2009, 01:05 AM
Just thought to mention that for those who want to experience DMT,
the Reed Canary grass (Phalaris arundinacea) grows all over the world,
maybe in your own backyard.

Ghislain
11-25-2009, 03:24 PM
Thanks Sol'

I think I will give this a go. Just for the sake of experiment ;)

Basic Principles of Alkaloid Extraction chapter 14 (http://deoxy.org/smokedmt.htm)

Ghislain

solomon levi
11-25-2009, 06:18 PM
You're welcome.
I haven't tried this myself, yet.
I wonder, now that winter is upon us, if the roots are usable.
(Generally the leaves are used.)
As a rule, the energy of a plant goes to its roots in the winter,
but i don't know if that goes for alkaloids too.

When i researched this plant, I found it can also be taken
without extracting the alkaloids if you have a MAO inhibitor.

This recipe looked really good, as i have access to both Russian Olive
and St. John's Wort.:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=9062

The experience lasts longer this way too.

I was seeing this plant everywhere driving around today.
You can find it near water - ditches, streams, lakes, etc.
There should be a thin membrane that joins the leaves to the stalks.

solomon levi
11-25-2009, 08:53 PM
Actually, there is still some green, esp on the tips of young shoots.
The adult plant is 3-4 feet high, but the young ones are just a foot off the ground,
and they have lots of green still:

http://i98.servimg.com/u/f98/12/78/17/61/th/pict0510.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=236&u=12781761)


BTW - in the above link recipe, the St. John's Wort may be unnecessary
because there are some MAOs in the Russian Olive, according to some.
There is also harmene in it.

solomon levi
11-25-2009, 10:51 PM
I went back with my friend, the Russian, and we gathered some more.

http://i98.servimg.com/u/f98/12/78/17/61/th/pict0511.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=237&u=12781761)

You can see this grows all over on the sides of this trail/road along a river...

http://i98.servimg.com/u/f98/12/78/17/61/th/pict0512.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=238&u=12781761)

and this road leads to this large field which is full of Phalaris in the spring
and summer, but it's harvested now.

http://i98.servimg.com/u/f98/12/78/17/61/th/pict0513.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=239&u=12781761)

I have to walk through this field to get to a nice swimming hole in the summer
and I never knew what I was walking through!!

WCH
11-30-2009, 11:27 AM
Do update us once the experiment has progressed. I've heard that this grass contains DMT, but haven't spoken to anyone who has successfully extracted a psychoactive product from it. Would be very interested to hear if you are able to do so.

solomon levi
11-30-2009, 03:38 PM
Do update us once the experiment has progressed. I've heard that this grass contains DMT, but haven't spoken to anyone who has successfully extracted a psychoactive product from it. Would be very interested to hear if you are able to do so.

Will do. I'm just going to try the tea first. If that works I probably won't
bother trying to extract the alkaloids cause I have plenty of Russian olive leaves.
Wednesday or thursday I'll probably try it and let you know wha' happen.

solomon levi
12-04-2009, 08:28 AM
Well, I tried a tea from the phalaris grass and the russian olive leaves.
I drank about 24 fl oz (1.5 pints) which was only half of it. I was hoping to
save the other half for someone else if it worked. Perhaps I should have drank
the entire thing because it only had a small effect, senses feeling heightened
and some fiery warm sensations throughout my body, feeling like a crown
was on my head.

I'll experiment with it again sometime and if it doesn't work, I'll try the
alkaloid extraction.

memphis_mizraim
12-10-2009, 01:12 PM
Has anyone the recipe for the ayahuasca brew.

Awani
12-10-2009, 03:19 PM
Has anyone the recipe for the ayahuasca brew.

I will have it in one month. How you make it old-school that is... ;)

WCH
12-12-2009, 02:51 AM
I don't know as far as amounts or technique of mixing, but I know there are a number of plants that can be substituted. At the base, what you need is one plant that contains an MAOI, and another that contains DMT. Yage and chaliponga is typical, but rue and Mimosa would work too. From Wikipedia:


Sections of B. caapi vine are macerated and boiled alone or with leaves from any of a number of other plants, including Psychotria viridis (chacruna) or Diplopterys cabrerana (also known as chaliponga). The resulting brew contains the powerful hallucinogenic alkaloid N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT), and MAO inhibiting harmala alkaloids, which are necessary to make the DMT orally active. Though B. caapi is a central ingredient in traditional ayahuasca brews, harmala-containing plants from other plant-medicine cultures, such as Syrian Rue, can be used instead of the vine to make an ayahuasca analogue, yet it isn't considered ayahuasca, as Caapi vine is considered the main plant in the brew

Awani
08-02-2011, 11:49 AM
In winter I will go see the Shamans for round 2!

:cool:

sleeveless
08-02-2011, 11:56 AM
in 5 months I am going to peru and doing this ayahuasca with my favorite person on this planet.

Ghislain
08-03-2011, 06:27 PM
Hi Sleeveless

Are you going to the temple?...can't wait to hear of your experiences.

Dev, are you going to stay with a tribe?

On my last experience I remember getting up and saying 'That's it, I'm done' and I really felt it...amazing...changed my life.

Funny thing now is that I can read old posts here and they mean so much more.

Ghislain

Awani
08-03-2011, 08:48 PM
Dev, are you going to stay with a tribe?

Alas, no... due to time restraints from the Machine World I don't have time for that... so I go back to the Temple... but I will stay a little longer and try and find out how to do just that because I really like the Shipibo people.

:cool:

sleeveless
08-04-2011, 06:47 PM
yes to the temple :)

I will try to write how it was.

Ghislain
09-06-2011, 07:56 PM
Just a quick one...

When I went to an Ayahuasca retreat here in March I was discussing the legality of the
ceremonies in the UK. The Guy who founded the retreat said he was waiting to see the
outcome of a court case where another retreat had been raided and this would set a precedence.

While searching the net I came across THIS (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/587123-UK-ayahuasca-shaman-found-quot-guilty-quot)

I think it may be the outcome...not good :(

Ghislain

Awani
09-06-2011, 11:12 PM
There are always assholes that ruin it for the rest of us. That is why democracy is doomed to fail. The reason Magic Mushrooms are illegal in Sweden is because ONE person took them and walked down the street naked (who cares anyway).

In Holland they won in court and ayahuasca is now legal, if you do it as part of the Church they have: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Daime#Europe

I live in Amsterdam, but have yet not checked them out... in the end I do prefer the jungle, saying that it doesn't mean I will not give it a go.

:cool:

Awani
02-02-2012, 05:27 PM
http://www.wasiwaska.org/

The board of this organization are many of the key players. Could be some good conferences... if anyone is going to Brazil that is.

:cool:

Darin Hamel
03-08-2012, 08:13 PM
I am preparing for the Ayahuasca journey and doing a ton of research. I found an experienced guide locally and hope to participate in May or June this year, 2012.

Awani
03-08-2012, 10:00 PM
There are a few trips (no pun intended) documented here: http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1298-Ayahuasca-Report

:cool:

Ghislain
12-22-2014, 03:56 AM
DMT video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Rwi-tam1o

Ghislain

Ghislain
01-28-2015, 12:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aufjjU0EYxk

Ghislain

Ghislain
02-01-2015, 06:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJI9KqgobPE

Ghislain

Ghislain
09-27-2015, 01:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE80cXpVCis


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnnnAmKPvxg

Ghislain

Ghislain
01-11-2016, 07:27 AM
This is a three part blog on Ayahuasca and the misconceptions some people may have in their approach to it.

How our fetish for a quick fix affects the Ayahuasca process (https://ayahuascoundrel.wordpress.com/2015/08/26/ayahuasca-%C2%A8the-antidote%C2%A8-how-our-fetish-for-a-quick-fix-affects-the-ayahuasca-process/)

I would suggest reading all three parts.

Ghislain

Ghislain
01-30-2016, 02:58 PM
I have mentioned in the past that putting an explanation of an Ayahuasc experience into words is difficult, but I just watched the best explanation I have seen so far.

Below are four YouTube videos. If you don't have time to watch them all then I would suggest people watch Part 2.

Ayahuasca - Part 1: Landing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmGVk03zce0)

Ayahuasca - Part 2: The Life Changing Trip Report (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1rkdcWZ4go)

Ayahuasca - Part 3: The Awakening (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM3qjLtc4IA)

Ayahuasca - Part 4: A Trip to Hell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdr7mYVyQUo)


Ghislain