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  1. Seraphim's Avatar
    Seraphim -
    Quote Originally Posted by zoas23

    Thanks for taking the time to compile all of this.
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  3. Greg Marcus's Avatar
    Greg Marcus -
    Interesting thing about bubbles...
  4. tAlchemist's Avatar
    tAlchemist -
    I don't know much about Sacred Geometry, but on the top of my head, I assume that the shapes have to do with the proportions of matter and the shape it forms in order to take form... a form within a form embedded deep within matter so that the inside of Matter can ''balance'' and level without falling apart much akin to blowing bubbles... the oval is a natural form it takes, likewise, Sacred Geometry.

    Am I close? :S
  5. Schmuldvich's Avatar
    Schmuldvich -
    This is awesome! Keep 'em coming!
  6. Greg Marcus's Avatar
    Greg Marcus -
    Johann Georg Hagelgans, who embraced both the negative and the positive use of holy numbers: the devotional and inspirational use of biblical numbers in Sphaera Coelestis Mystica (1739), prefaced by 1 Corinthians 13:12: ‘Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face’, and in Sphaera Infernalis Mystica (1740) an exposition on the number of the beast, 666 prefaced by the reassuring verse from John 1:5 ‘The Light shines in the Darkness and the Darkness has not overcome it.’ Hagelgans’ systematic survey of significant biblical numbers is divided into three parts, with eleven chapters sandwiched between an introduction, explaining the aim and use of divine arithmetic, and a defence of his opinions. In the chapter on the mysteries of the number 7 in the context of worship, he writes that once one has noticed the seven penitential, the seven prayerful and the seven praise psalms introduced into David’s Book of Psalms by the God-fearing Ancients, one’s respect and honour for this mysterious and holy number grows. The seven planets, seven metals and seven primary colours belong to the natural world and are a source of wonder in the visible world. The seven wise men of Greece, the seven wonders of the world and the seventy interpreters from Egypt, on the other hand, are all coincidental or formed by humans, and therefore according to Hagelgans cannot be classified as divine numbers.

    Hagelgans classifies numbers 1, 2, 3 and 7 as holy, numbers 4, 8, 12 and 24 as blessed, number 5 as half or imperfect, number 6 as human, numbers 7, 8 and 9 as end or balancing numbers, and number 10 as the most complete number. As he justifies his choice of 10 as the most complete he reveals more interpretations:

    "[Ten] is the most complete number, above all other, and in which all others are contained. It is the end and at the same time the beginning; a double number which is the most special and unique as it can be formed by all the other numbers in several different ways: through multiplication . . . 5  2=10, and through addition with the first four 1+2+3+4=10, with the two imperfect numbers 5 +5=10, with the angelic and human numbers 4+6=10, with the two most holy numbers 3+7=10, with the numbers of the bridegroom and bride 2 + 8=10, and with the first and last numbers 1+9=10."

    "The blind heathen also used this number for their two-faced God Janus, although we teach something better, seeing the origin or source from which its measure, number and density are constructed, finding in the Revelation to St John how God embraced all other possible numbers in this perfect circle."

    - "Bach's Numbers" by Ruth Tatlow
  7. Greg Marcus's Avatar
    Greg Marcus -
    I was out of allowed images in the original post, so I'll have to add this here. There are definitely similarities between Plate 4 and this work of the Jesuit, Ferdinand Verbiest (click for hi-res version):

    Verbiest is a story on his own, but here are the basics:

    "[Ferdinand] Verbiest (1623 1688) labored in a strange mode not quite Euclidean and not quite Chinese, as he pondered questions of the Chinese "I-ching" and geometric form. Aside from being a fortune book, the "I-ching" was the mainstay of an ancient philosophy of number and symmetry. It deals much with the numbers three and six, as seen in Verbiest's hexagons and triangles. He has larded his pages with sayings from that classic, apparently in his own hand. This pull-out page is one of many working notes that were bound together with Verbiest's printed eclipse predictions and his apologia of western astronomy for the Manchu court."
    "Father Ferdinand Verbiest (9 October 1623 28 January 1688) was a Flemish Jesuit missionary in China during the Qing dynasty. He was born in Pittem near Tielt in the County of Flanders (now part of Belgium).[2] He is known as Nan Huairen (???) in Chinese. He was an accomplished mathematician and astronomer and proved to the court of the Kangxi Emperor that European astronomy was more accurate than Chinese astronomy. He then corrected the Chinese calendar and was later asked to rebuild and re-equip the Beijing Ancient Observatory, being given the role of Head of the Mathematical Board and Director of the Observatory.

    He became close friends with the Kangxi Emperor, who frequently requested his teaching, in geometry, philosophy and music.

    And finally.. when searching for info on Hagelgans, I came across this now defunct page ( in Romanian.. The translation is so bad as to pretty much useless, but the one paragraph combines three of my favorites.. Nostradamus, von Welling, and Hagelgans:

    But what are the Goethe heroes reading in the alchemical lab, decorated according to the direction of Act II, Scene 1, "in the style of the Middle Ages, with all sorts of facilities for fantastic purposes"? First of all, the "mysterious book of Nostradamus (dies geheimnisvolle Buch, Von Nostradamus)," perhaps the prophecies of what contemporaries called "the new ancient oracle". It is then mentioned a book in which Faust "sees the sign of the macrocosm", possibly referring to the 53nd engraving of Georg von Welling, Opus mago-cabbalisticum et theosophicum ..., Frankfurt, 1719. It is the book at which Goethe read about 1770-1773, even when he began to be concerned with the failing myth. And when Faust speaks of the organization of heaven in spheres, the spirit of the Passover, and the chorus of angels, the author may send to Johann Georg Hagelgans, Sphaera coelestis mystica (1739). Finally, when Wagner and Faust polemise about the "Geist der Zeiten", the lyrics send to the Hegelian concept Zeitgeist / genius seculi, so debated in the epoch and ironized by Herder: "Is he a genius, a demon? or a nerd, a resurrected old grave ?, or is it a wind blowing with the sound of a wind harp?
  8. Andro's Avatar
    Andro -
    Quote Originally Posted by tAlchemist
    In my opinion, there are two types of people in this world... the Sheep, and the ones who aren't sheep.
    Which one are you?
  9. Greg Marcus's Avatar
    Greg Marcus -
    First they would have to raise their minds.

  10. tAlchemist's Avatar
    tAlchemist -
    In my opinion, there are two types of people in this world... the Sheep, and the ones who aren't sheep.

    A shepherd in front, a guard dog, and sheep afraid to step out of line... fearful of the snapping dog.

    In society, following a societal-influenced mentality (not true to yourself), sheep afraid to step out of line fearful of the snapping law enforcement and whatever falls into that... :P

    where are the warriors, the conquers of kingdoms, we are being weakened down with influence... rise up.
  11. tAlchemist's Avatar
    tAlchemist -
    Thanks for the share. I enjoyed it.
  12. Greg Marcus's Avatar
    Greg Marcus -
    I'm happy that information is useful to you. I am only familiar with the names Ripley and Fictuld. I was completely unfamiliar with Saint-Didier until I recently re-sorted my harddrive, and now I have a "Alexandre-Toussaint Limojon de Saint-Didier" folder, with "Hermetic Triumph" and "Six Keys Eudoxus" within.

    I assume you are suggesting him as the author of the French version of 'Erofnetes Philosophisches Vater-Herz' as alluded to in it's title page?

    I guess the trick now will to compile a bibliography attributed to him and examine the main suspects.
  13. Florius Frammel's Avatar
    Florius Frammel -
    Now that's really interesting. There are two "Ritterkriege". The ancient war of the knights by Limojon de St Didier and the Ritterkrieg by Johann Sternhals. The Sternhals Ritterkrieg is older than the ancient one by St.Didier and to produce even more confusion, St. Didier was french and Sternhals german.

    So mixing those information together, can we assume that the Vaterherz was written by St. Didier de Limojon?

    The virgin earth that rests only on sweet dreams reminds me on the title image of the Mutus Liber. Note the stone, or rock the sleeping guy is resting on.

  14. Greg Marcus's Avatar
    Greg Marcus -
    In case you are interested, here is the info from Ferguson's Bibliotheca Chemica:

    Das Eroffnete Philosophische Vatter-Hertz, an seinen Sohn, welches er, wegen hohen Alters, nicht Hinger wolte vor ihm verschlossen halten ; sondern zeigete und erklarte demselben alle das, was zu der volligen Composition und Bereitung des Steins der Weisen vonnothen war. Sonst in Frantzosischer, nun aber in Teutscher Sprache publicirt <lurch Benjamin Roth-Scholtzen, Phil. & Med. Doctor. Niirnberg, Bey Johann Daniel Taubers seel. Erben, An. 1717.

    8. Pp. [2] 153-231, fx7, advertisements]. Title red and black. An extract from Rothscholtz's Edition of Ripley's Works, 1717.

    Erofnetes Philosophisches Vater-Herz, so bey heutiger Ausbreitnng (sic)(nach Theophrastischer Aussag) des Sternfiilchtigen Blumengeruchs der hohen Gottlichen Gnaden-Gab der Universal-Medicin nicht langer hat konnen verschlossen
    bleiben. Zu Gottlicher Werk-Wahrheit BefOrderung, der Unwahrheit Beschamung, und der natilrlichen Geheimniissen Liebhabern niitzlichen Nachricht, aus fremder Sprach iibersetzt und ans Licht gebracht, <lurch einen Liebhaber der Warheit.

    Ps. 65. Gottes Briinlein hat Wasser die Fiille. Franckfurt am Mayn, hey Johann Friedrich Fleischer, 1750.
    8, pp. 8o. The preface is followed by the letters I.I.H.M.D. Das Erofnete Philosophische Vaterherz.

    See HERMETISCHES A. B. c., 1779, ii. p. 56.
    See RIPLEY (GEORGE), Chymische Schrifften, 1756, p. 153.

    The edition quoted in the Beytrag is of Strasburg, 1676, 8. That given by Kopp is dated Frankfurt a. M., 1742, and the title page is the same as that above. On account of its professing to be a translation and a new book, Kopp is unable to say whether it is identical with that of 1676, or with another of similar title edited by Benjamin Roth-Scholtz and printed at Niirnberg, 1717. Upon this last point there need be no question, for comparison of the present edition with that printed by Roth-Scholtz in his edition of Ripley's Works, mentioned below, shows tha~ they are identical except in the form of the title. I have little doubt that they are all merely reprints of the edition of

    On the assumption that the works are identical, it is instructive to read the different opinions that have been passed upon it. In the Fegfeuer it is put under "Ertz-Lilgen," and the remark is made that though it seems reasonable, the author has never put his hand to the work. Fictuld on the other hand gives it the most exaggerated praise. None of the writers seem to know about the author, but Fictuld thinks that it is by the same person as wrote the" Ritter-Krieg."

    In the Beytrag it is said: 'This tract has many advantages over other books on gold-making, and deserves to be carefully read and pondered. Only one thing is to be found fault with, the description of the "virgin earth,'' which rests only-on sweet dreams.'

    Though Benjamin Roth-Scholtz is said to be the editor of the above extract from Ripley's Works, the actual editor was Friederich Roth-Scholtz, who, as he himself says, assumed his brother's name for certain reasons. See ROTH-SCHOLTZ (Benjamin).

    • Borrichius, Conspectus Scriptorum Ckemicorum,1697, p. 38, No. liix.
    • Keren Happuck, ...oder Teutsckes Fegfeuer der Scleide-Kunst, 1702, p. 124.
    • Fictuld, Probier-Stein, 1753, Th. i. p. 159.
    • Beytrag zur Gesckiclzte der !Wkern Ckemie, 1785, p. 627.
    • Ladrague, Bibliotkeque Ouvaroff,Sciences Secretes 1870, Nos. 1264-5, 1472.
    • Kopp, Die A lckemie, 1886, ii. pp. 395-6.
  15. Greg Marcus's Avatar
    Greg Marcus -
    I'll definitely have to try to find the french title. Thanks.
  16. Florius Frammel's Avatar
    Florius Frammel -
    Sorry, no specific page or summary

    I just wanted to say that there is even a book title on that symbol/deckname.

    On the title page it is written that the original is french. Maybe that suits you better than the german version. I don't know the french title though.
    Updated 04-07-2019 at 05:51 PM by Florius Frammel
  17. Greg Marcus's Avatar
    Greg Marcus -
    Can you summarize or point me to specific pages that I could attempt a rough translation on?

    Of course I'm familiar with the "sacred/mystic heart" (often, "of jesus"), and it shows up in the images associated with Bohme's works.

    I had collected these images for the blog post a couple of days ago.. and then didn't bother to post. It took coming upon Daniel Cramer and his Emblemata sacra (1624)/Emblematum sacrorum (1627), or "The True Society of Jesus and the Rosy Cross" (with all 40-50 emblems based on the Heart) that pushed me into getting on with it.

    The heart is also frequently used by Neo-sufi groups.. the fiery heart even shows up in the heraldry/emblems of Clan Lindsay (personal connection)
  18. Florius Frammel's Avatar
    Florius Frammel -
    Do you need more input?

    When looking at the first pictures, I remembered an interesting text called "Das philosophische Vaterherz" (phil. heart of the father). It was subsequently often quoted and included in the "Hermetische ABC" compilation of Birkholz surrounding too.

    German transcript version:
  19. Greg Marcus's Avatar
    Greg Marcus -
    Pythagorean "opposites".. just a quick copy/paste from Wikipedia:

    Here follows a rough translation of the Table of Opposites, although like all translations the precise meaning does not necessarily carry over from the original Greek. For example, "crooked" has connotations in English that it may lack in the original.
    • finite, infinite
    • odd, even
    • one, many
    • right, left
    • rest, motion
    • straight, crooked
    • light, darkness
    • good, evil
    • square, oblong

    Some sources add:
    • male, female

    In Kabbalah, it's straight (male) circle (female)
  20. Greg Marcus's Avatar
    Greg Marcus -
    Yes, for sure it's only a partial thought, and a tangent from what I am concentrating on, but a tangent that keeps coming up. Sometimes to go further I have to put the partial thought, or bullet-points out there to percolate for awhile.

    That's pretty insightful.. as I'm not a practical/practising alchemist, my focus in this is really the "union of opposites", perhaps most commonly represented by the male and female.

    "Conjunction is just a brief encounter and not only "one" moment. It comes and goes".. this is what I like under the definition of "promiscuous".. the word "transient/transience" is a perfect description.

    I like your Donum Dei post on your personal blog. I still can't find Arsenal MS. 975.
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