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    Paracelsus

    This is a Phoenix-thread from the old site.
    We see in Paracelsus not only a pioneer in the domains of chemical medicine, but also in those of an empirical psychological healing science. - Carl Jung
    In the town of Basel, in Switzerland, the famous book printer Johann Froben suffered horrible pains in his right foot from an accident and the doctors advised him to amputate. Froben knew of a wandering physician and decided to get his opinion, so in 1526 Paracelsus arrived at Basel and managed to treat, and cure, the patient without the use of a knife.
    If you prevent infection nature will heal the wound all by herself. - Paracelsus
    I love Paracelsus and decided to dedicate a whole thread on the man that both encompass Spiritual and Practical Alchemy.

    To read an essay I’ve written on Paracelsus, if you need an introduction to the man, then click on the links below:
    Paracelsus - part 1
    Paracelsus - part 2

    Some works by Paracelsus:
    Alchemical Catechism
    Aurora of the philosophers, The
    Book Concerning the Tincture of the Philosophers, The
    Coelum philosophorum (or the Book of Vexations)
    Treasure of Treasures for Alchemists, The

    See also Paracelsus and the substance of his teachings by Franz Hartmann (PDF)

    Quote Originally Posted by quex
    Here's a link to the story of a famous incident where Paracelsus displays his genius!
    http://www.freewillastrology.com/wri...chapter19.html
    When it comes to VITROL, the master really goes for it!
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    Yes Paracelsus what a man, he was quite funny too, I might add. Thanks for all of those useful links.

    I should tell sometime, of my experiments in alchemy with Siva, Kali, Antarctica and a pile of shit....in my experience though most 'alchemists' don't have the stomache for alchemy, they just want to sit around being boring and dry, so I'll save that one for another day until I figure out the climate here...

    I disagree with Paracelsus on his view of shit as the P.stone...personally I think it's in the blood. Isn't that just as vial? As they say, blood makes poor mortar....I think you could make bricks out of it though, but after a few showers they would melt into blood chowder.

    Naomi
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    I should tell sometime, of my experiments in alchemy with Siva, Kali, Antarctica and a pile of shit....in my experience though most 'alchemists' don't have the stomache for alchemy, they just want to sit around being boring and dry, so I'll save that one for another day until I figure out the climate here...
    As long as it is related to Alchemy you are free to talk about whatever you like. PM me if you ain't sure where it should be posted. I would love to hear about these experiments!
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    I disagree with Paracelsus on his view of shit as the P.stone...personally I think it's in the blood. Isn't that just as vial?
    Well, this is the big question and what seperates the practical from the spiritual. As I am of the latter category I see the Philosophers Stone as a state of mind (or more a immaterial tool to achieve this state), like Nirvana, more than an actual object/thing. But this doesn't mean I say you are wrong. Both the practical and the spiritual can interlink and aid each other.

    Shit ey... that's funny. He has also been accused of having a negative view on women, but I forgive him for this because he was so ugly which resulted in him often being ridiculed by them (or not being so succesful - there is no known love affair). It is therefore easy to understand his resentment... on the other side he hailed mothers and old women to have more knowledge of medicine than the best educated doctors.

    When I read Paracelsus writings I sense that if he had known of the word fuck he would have used it, it suits his style!
    Quote Originally Posted by quex
    I believe his intention was to make an allegorical point.
    Nonetheless, we have to understand that around that time, doctors wouldn't bother to examine the living ailing patient. There was no such thing as stool samples or blood tests. Doctors would go by Galeno's and other traditional books, basically doing what was written there without questioning or even looking at the living human body. Diseases were thought as imbalances of the four humors, and the idea that something external like microorganisms could be related to the disease and that something external could influence the outcome of the disease wasn't in a doctor's mind.
    Paracelsus also made a point by burning books, again, trying to tell doctors to first look at the living patient and not merely applying what they read in theory.
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    I think this image speaks clearly what I think of your post quex:

    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    Shit ey... that's funny. He has also been accused of having a negative view on women, but I forgive him for this because he was so ugly which resulted in him often being ridiculed by them (or not being so succesful - there is no known love affair). It is therefore easy to understand his resentment... on the other side he hailed mothers and old women to have more knowledge of medicine than the best educated doctors.

    When I read Paracelsus writings I sense that if he had known of the word fuck he would have used it, it suits his style!
    Well, I'll try anything, once. (Behold, you now know my life motto since I was 7...and tried oysters on the rocks at Alexander's on the Bay in Seattle. Yech!)

    I don't think I agree with him on the shit, but it's funny to imagine that scene, unveiling the shit. People need to be shocked once in a while. My interest is in the interaction of light and matter, changing light into matter, and back again.

    Deviadah, you're such a champion for women...you remind me of Hermes for some reason....or Mithras, any one of the solar deities...
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    Deviadah, you're such a champion for women...you remind me of Hermes for some reason....or Mithras, any one of the solar deities...
    All I do is I look at the world without predjudice. If one does this, or at least tries to do this, then lo and behold, there is more similarities between races, genders and species than there is differences.

    I have also been brought up by a single mother, and she was both independent and strong. When I was a kid I thought all women were like that, then I grew up and realised they were conditioned into weakness; my mom had just not fallen for it. So whenever I see an opportunity to push for the concept that women ain't the weaker sex, nor the stronger (all equal/individual), then I try and do so.

    But thanks, Hermes is a cool cat!
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    He's one of my favorite grandkids....
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    That's funny. You are not the first to describe Hermes in such family terms. It seems, compared to other gods/gurus/prophets/myths, Hermes have a certain quality that - although he is higher than us - we still see him as a member of the family; brother, father... even son. And even if what you wrote was just a joke, I think jokes are important!

    As I said many people have called Hermes by these family terms, and personally I see him as a friend, albeit a very wise one!
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    He's definately easy to like - and look at his kids - Hermaphroditus, Pan, Eros, Autolycus...man he knew how to throw the dice didn't he?

    I have a friend who absolutely loathes Hermes though...it's very funny, because he's Hellenic.
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    Planets & the Body

    From Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay:
    [According to Paracelsus]... life was an emanation from the stars - the sun governed the heart, and the moon the brain. Jupiter governed the liver, Saturn the gall, Mercury the lungs, Mars the bile, and Venus the loins. In the stomach of every human being there dwelt a demon, or intelligence, that was a sort of alchymist in his way, and mixed, in their due proportions, in his crucible, the various ailments that were sent into that grand laboratory, the belly.

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    "Everything is poison, there is poison in everything. Only the dose makes a thing not a poison." - Paracelsus


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    Paracelsus travelled wide and far, and there are many tales of his adventures but one caught my attention a little more than the rest. When Paracelsus was visiting Moscow in the winter of 1520–21, on an invitation from the Tsar, Crimean Tartars captured him. These were a Turkic ethnic group from the northern coast of the Black Sea that had at this time been a continuous threat to Russia, with repeated raids at Moscow.

    Philip Ball writes in his book The Devil’s Doctor:
    “As he was taken back through the Ukraine to the Crimea, he found a way into the confidences of his captors. It is said that the Tartars regarded a healer as a holy man, which is just how Paracelsus saw it too. He demonstrated his skills in medicine and surgery, and in return it seems that this Western doctor discovered marvellous things in the traditions of the Tartars.”
    Basilio de Telepnef continues in his Paracelsus – a genius amidst a troubled world that
    “certain curious remarks in Paracelsus writings (some not unlike the teachings of modern spiritualism) convey the impression that he had become ‘initiated’ into the mysteries of shamanism. Although the Tatars had then long abandoned their ancestral shamanism for Mohammedanism, in the quiet of their steppes they still preserved their aboriginal shamanistic practices and held in veneration the shamans…”
    Finally a direct link between alchemy and shamanism... even though it is based on speculation I still find it worthy to post!


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    Quote Originally Posted by dev View Post
    Paracelsus traveled wide and far, and there are many tales of his adventures but one caught my attention a little more than the rest. When Paracelsus was visiting Moscow in the winter of 1520–21, on an invitation from the Tsar, Crimean Tartars captured him. These were a Turkic ethnic group from the northern coast of the Black Sea that had at this time been a continuous threat to Russia, with repeated raids at Moscow.
    Quote Originally Posted by dev View Post
    Philip Ball writes in his book The Devil’s Doctor:

    Basilio de Telepnef continues in his Paracelsus – a genius amidst a troubled world that:


    “certain curious remarks in Paracelsus writings (some not unlike the teachings of modern spiritualism) convey the impression that he had become ‘initiated’ into the mysteries of shamanism. Although the Tatars had then long abandoned their ancestral shamanism for Mohammedanism, in the quiet of their steppes they still preserved their aboriginal shamanistic practices and held in veneration the shamans…”
    Finally a direct link between alchemy and shamanism... even though it is based on speculation I still find it worthy to post!

    Hi Dev,

    Finally a direct link between alchemy and shamanism
    I wouldn't have thought that there was much difference in a lot of ways. I can sit down with a Yogi or shaman or priest/priestess of suitable skills and go voyaging with them, invoking into high spiritual space with them, invoke and open gates, go with them where they go, invite them to go with me. Some Yogis are alchemists. Some shamans are alchemists. Some priest(ess)es are alchemists. Some alchemists are Priest(ess)es. Some alchemists are shamans. Some alchemists are Yogis. We use many of the same methods, the same knowledge and same practices. Shamaic plants and fungi are quite popular amongst Alchemists. Is the Great Rite done in a Goddess circle any different from the same done in a Tantric circle or Shamanic circle? It's the same deep inclusion of taking the others present into the full ecstacy of communion with the divine, to the individual limits of those included.

    How did the linkage ever appear to be broken? There was no lack of such awareness in the circles in which I participated. How did the branch of Alchemy to which you attach yourself loose that knowledge? Perhaps some were trying to hide their links to the past, or at least differentiate themselves from it.
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    I was thinking from a scholarly perspective. I am aware of the link, but it is nice to see it documented as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salazius View Post
    . . . Paracelsus was her favourite author, and according to her he was neither man, woman, nor hermaphrodite, and had the misfortune to poison himself with an overdose of his panacea, or universal medicine. . . .
    I read a great deal of Paracelsus, and have been inspired by his recipes that he graciously left behind. Even some of his simple preparations are quite powerful and healing.

    Have - from time to time - wondered what happened to a man as such who clearly discussed the universal medicine (and it's uses)? This brief commentary may shed some light on this puzzle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salazius View Post
    ...Paracelsus was her favorite author, and according to her he was neither man, woman, nor hermaphrodite, and had the misfortune to poison himself with an overdose of his panacea, or universal medicine...
    "neither man, woman, nor hermaphrodite"

    I wonder what he was, then (besides genius)...

    Transgender?

    Or maybe Eunuch? Nephilim?

    Fae/Vampire/Werewolf?

    Any other possibilities?

    Or just myth?
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    Star-man

    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    . . . I wonder what he was, then (besides genius). . .
    Not from around here [Earth]. . . "star-man". Having not be pulled by sexuality can be strong indication.

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    Paracelsus the Plague Doctor

    I was doing some research, and came across this wiki quote:

    The French anatomists Ambroise Parť and Paracelsus were also famous medieval plague doctors.
    Can you imagine him, the famous alchemist dressed in those wyrd bird masks?
    Art is Nature in the flask; Nature is a vial thing.

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