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    Secrecy & Alchemical Initiations

    I know that some people feel strongly about keeping the secrets of alchemy.
    I'm not one of them - maybe I'll change my mind as I learn more.
    But I am a person of integrity, so if you share something with me, I'll
    keep it secret if you like.

    That said, I think I know where the tradition of secrecy came from, and
    I don't consider it respectable. I'll explain:

    The earliest alchemists have told us that alchemy was first brought to us
    by the gods or angels. They also tell us that it was in exchange for sex with
    our women whom they found beautiful. You can see these relationships in
    biblical writings and the book of Enoch; even Zosimos passes down this
    knowledge of alchemy's origin.
    In the Codex Marcianus (11th century), one of the earliest alchemical
    manuscripts extant, "Isis the Prophetess to her son Horus", Isis tells Horus
    that while he was away fighting Set, she was in Hermopolis studying angel
    magick and alchemy when she was noticed by a lusty angel. But the angel
    could not answer her questions about alchemy, but he bargained to bring
    a higher angel who would answer her. He returns the next day with Amnael,
    who also finds Isis desireable and agrees to barter alchemical knowledge
    for sex. He reveals to her the mystery of his sign/sigil and then makes her
    swear the great oath never to reveal these secrets to anyone but her son.

    So if we accept these origins of alchemy, it is clear that the secrecy is to keep
    humans from becoming gods/god-like (as in the bible) and also to keep them
    from knowing the angels names and signs which would make them vulnerable
    to a priestesses or magus' control.

    Granted, there are other reasons to keep alchemical secrets, some moral,
    some for protection, some to prevent abuse... but the obvious origin of this
    secrecy comes from beings, the majority of which are not amiable towards
    humans, but are rather intent on keeping us in the dark and in control/slavery.
    They are the Gnostic archons, if you will. And as Gnostics, we would defy
    their restricting oaths.

    What do you think?
    Last edited by solomon levi; 12-05-2009 at 05:49 PM.

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    Solomon Levi,

    Secrets in Alchemy .... one big reason to keep the mouth closed is, whenever you
    tell a person, whats going on, may be in the "Inner Alchemy" or Magic, without
    taking drugs ... others would think ... you are insane ... cause they only know their
    simple reality.

    The next thing ... lab alchemy ... the secrets of a group, sharing till a result is there,
    which makes people famous or rich.

    The third part is even more interesting ... its about the people, which write books about
    Alchemy and Magic ... they collect informations from others bound in secrecy and
    suddenly they pop out everything in their books, just put in another piece of cloth,
    so nobody can blame them.

    If we want realy to know and learn, all we need is to follow the deep burning flame
    inside and it will open all the doors. .... Joy

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    Interesting Solomon, one of the ultimate goals in the Golden Dawn tradition is The Knowledge and Conversation of Your Holy Guardian Angel, now most know of Aliester Crowley as a stark raving mad gay drug addict , but at one point he claimed to have contacted his, whom he also believed to one of the Secret Chiefs, he sketched its appearance, it was an Alien Gray! This was long before the first aliens or ufos were sighted. Could it be that they are not very Holy at all and that their purpose is to control humanity through our subconscience and that alchemy is a way to liberate ourselves, a gift perhaps to those who have found favor. Or could it be that there is war in the heavens between good and evil entites vying for the control of mans soul. It is said King Solomon could summon entities and even Belial himself and make him dance before him. If we look at the Greater Key (Clavicula Salomonis) we see a multiple series of sigils ruled by each planet, most contain the names of certain groups of angels who preside over that which we desire to accomplish, once they are shown these sigils they must oblige, could it be that they are compelled to do so because we know their names. Socrates also believed he made contact with his "higher" self and called it a daemon, an excellent aphorism can be seen in , "The Golden Compass", could it be that man is meant to be the master?

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    I treat it the same way as you, Solomon. If I do have a discussion with someone about alchemy, if someone is sharing with me, and if this person doesn't want me do talk about it with other people, I do respect it totally, and I won't talk. I also would like the other person not to talk about this or that, if I think it behaves better to the situation or the subject we're talking about.

    But i do personally think that there is one thing we should not forget: Alchemy, and maybe also cause of it's secrecy seems to make quite a big difference in times of massculture, where even the philosophical and spirtitual teachings are just part of a big commercial marketing strategy (Of course this also has some good sides, it's really easy to get a book, or whatever you need for working ect).


    Solomon Levi wrote "Granted, there are other reasons to keep alchemical secrets, some moral,
    some for protection, some to prevent abuse... but the obvious origin of this
    secrecy comes from beings, the majority of which are not amiable towards
    humans, but are rather intent on keeping us in the dark and in control/slavery.
    They are the Gnostic archons, if you will. And as Gnostics, we would defy
    their restricting oaths"

    I'm not sure about that, actually ... maybe in som cases.
    As you've also said: for protection for example - alchemy, cause of it's secrecy and symbols is quite inscrutable ... If you tell someone bout certain processes it can be really dangerous, if this person doesn't know how to handle it, so ...
    And yes, the moral aspect (although i' not a big friend of morals ... laughing) ... I think if someone is just in it for making gold, or just longing for power, ect. , he can bring himself into quite big troubles ... i can't explain this aspect any further, it just seems to be like that.


    Agni

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    Honestly it depends on what you think you have found- and if in fact it is worth secreting away. The tale you relayed about Isis is (to me) far more indicative of the alchemical process then anything the metaphorical angels parleyed...especially seeing as they came from the firmament of heaven.

    She relates that "after a certain passing of the kairoi and the necessary movement of the heavenly sphere, it happened that one of the angels who dwelt in the first firmament saw me from above. . ." The angel, a being of the lower realm between the earth and the moon, is enflamed by passion, but can't answer her questions about alchemy.
    Sendivogius - The New Chemical Light: But because this most pure fire now occupies the firmament, and surrounds the throne of God, the waters have been condensed into a body beneath it; and thus the sky is formed, while the water which now forms the atmospheric air and the lower firmament is due to the action of a lower and grosser fire.
    Excepting a small portion pertaining to the particulars of archemy - I've seen nothing worth keeping secret... and even those few things are meager accomplishments at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoRetilus View Post
    now most know of Aliester Crowley as a stark raving mad gay drug addict
    Mr. C does deserve some criticism, but that's a bit of an uncharitable description, no? And I think he had several wives.

    *Z*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr View Post
    Mr. C does deserve some criticism, but that's a bit of an uncharitable description, no? And I think he had several wives.

    *Z*
    What I meant to say is that is how he is known to popular culture. I for one can seperate the person from his works and I respect his works. I guess you could say the same about a guy like Michael Jackson, deeply troubled and misunderstood, but we can seperate his accomplishments from the man and admire him for his work.
    Maybe Mr. C. opened some portals that could not be closed or maybe he prefered they remain open.
    Many temptations will abound a man with great potential and great knowledge but the strong and upright will persevere.

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    Perhaps the process of alchemy is similar to a bird hatching from its shell
    or a larva pupating to adult hatching from its cocoon. If you try to help you
    could damage the fragile new life and hinder the one thing that is going to
    prepare it to cope in its future.

    You could therefore consider a forum like this as an incubator

    Ghislain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghislain View Post

    You could therefore consider a forum like this as an incubator

    Ghislain
    Nice!

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    hi,
    i like your discussions. what do you think about this:
    if a philosopher's stone is able to accelerate and strengthen the transformation of an etheric information into a physical information there wouldn't be much time left to rethink an ongoing transformation. that could be the blessing of 10000 prayers spoken in one word or the rage of 10000 suffering souls in one curse. the blessing shouldn't be a problem because i think even blessing something "bad" will make it "better" until it's as "good" or better than the blessing like a synchronization. but the curse thing is quite a problem if we want to avoid something really bad to happen.
    that could be a reason to cover alchemy in secrecy. but that's just a thought

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