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    Why do I get the feeling that some people here are under the impression that LR works for them? And not just LR, but all those who actually bring something new to the table and challenge old and rigid belief systems by stirring up some prevailing paradigms and comfort zones, scientific/religious or otherwise. And there are also the recipe hunters and the ones who like to be spoonfed everything... And when they don't get exactly what they want, they start calling names and jumping to conclusions without a parachute...

    This reminds me of the fable with the fox who had an appetite for grapes but couldn't jump high enough to reach them, so it decided they were sour.
    The fact that you aren't tall enough to reach the grapes doesn't mean they're sour. It just means you can't rise high enough to find out by yourself .

    Like a child craving for the candy on that top shelf... He can cry and demand until some immature adult gives in, or he can grab a chair, climb on it and get the candy himself. Of course, he may fall off the chair a few times, but when he finally succeeds, the candy will taste SO MUCH SWEETER
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    First, I don't think Leo ever said this is the Philosophers' stone.
    There's lots of stones, you know. If he did say that I missed it.

    Second, who in their right mind would post a recipe for the Philosophers'
    stone because someone is challenging them or wants proof? Not giving the recipe
    is not at all an indication of fraud, but an indication of wisdom IMO.

    Third, if you look at what has been given, and have some understanding of
    alchemy, you can decide if the method, while not detailed but outlined, is
    plausible. From what i know, it is a plausible method for a transmuting stone.

    Fourth, I think it is wise to not believe; but also wise to not disbelieve.
    It's ok to say "I don't know". "I don't know" is a wonderful place.
    "I want proof" on the other hand, is a pretty unpeaceful place. Even if you
    are given the recipe and it doesn't work for you, it isn't proof that it doesn't work
    for everyone. Proof seekers are rarely satisfied - not because there are lots of liars
    out there... it's just a very conditioned place, generally pre-arranged to fail due
    to those conditions/definitions which are faulty in the first place.


    Lastly, as a moderator, I'll ask that Shadow not push this anymore.
    Your position has been recognised. I think Leo gave a fair reply.
    If you, Shadow, see some fault with the process, feel free to comment;
    but let's keep personalities to a minimum, please.

    I don't think of this forum as a place to prove or disprove people/personalities,
    but a place to discuss methods of alchemy.
    But if someone does make claims just for attention, the moderators will try to address it. For this is also not a place to sell things, including oneself.

    I hope that sounds fair/moderate.
    solomon

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    First of all at this point I am becoming to feel very sorry that I even
    started this thread, I never imagined it would get this far out of hand
    or attract this much attention, negative or otherwise. I was new to
    this forum and forums in general when I did so and didn't know how to
    share my "Success" here, likewise nor how to react properly to
    personal attacks, and I am still learning how to do that. So in many
    ways I am still quite immature, I can see that. Furthermore, now I
    realize that the proper way to share, would have been to just reply to
    one of the other threads on urine or GW and the impact to this
    community would have been minimal and that would have been ideal.
    But whats done is done and I can't do anything about that now, I can
    only look forward. When I was first skimming through the threads of this
    site I gathered some impressions of some members who regularly post,
    and that was that some had already had completed the Magnum Opus, and I
    felt I was only playing catch up at first, so I guess that overwhelming
    feeling of having been left behind was what compelled me to succeed.
    And I got some great leads that lead to my success by studying those
    threads/posts which supplemented to great extent that which I already
    knew.
    So that being said I never felt personally nor meant to impress upon
    anyone that I was presenting anything, "new", I was only trying to
    impart my personal perspectives on some matters in such a way that I
    understood them best. For I hadn't read many books on alchemy, and
    quite frankly most that I glanced through seemed a bit outdated in
    terms of terminology and used alot of words that had certain meanings
    200 hundred years ago that have quite different meanings today, as well
    as being too far open to personal interpretation and translation and
    some in which authors even contradict themselves and other authors
    and this seemed somewhat like the bible in some senses to me and for
    those reasons I detest reading matter written in such a way, with double meanings and reverse
    psychology. I hope nobody is offended in me saying that, and like
    others have already stated, books do have their place, they are good for
    reference, but there is no better teacher than personal experience. And so instinctively
    I opted to make a closer study of nature instead and by that I mean really getting outside and
    really looking at her, I am quite thankful that I live in such a place, greatly isolated from
    civilization and among natural wonders and snow capped volcanoes and petrified forests
    in a place of great beauty with the ocean within site all around me and mother nature at my feet
    in being able to reach down and pick up all manners of minerals, gold ores included
    from up off the ground.
    Regarding my perspectives, in how I presented them, I apologize to
    everyone if too much of my personality came out in the process, but its
    hard to be human and not have a personality. They are like opinions and
    you know what else....everybody has them. And yes they do bleed through
    in everybody's posts, whether we realize it or not. Nobody is perfect.
    Likewise I never proclaimed to have complete alchemical mastery or be
    an adept. But at least I am putting myself out there to be scrutinized,
    and to be measured and that is of way more value than those who would
    criticize such a person, for they risk nothing at all and gain
    everything that that person has to offer, taking what they like without
    much gratitude and criticizing what they don't. Influencing in the process the
    reputation of he who is offering his work up with much insolent
    disdain. And like a movie or a food critic, less goes into their
    opinion than the work and the passion that went into creating what is
    being criticized in the first place, regardless of its overall worth.

    Furthermore I believe what I have revealed and hinted at and the clues
    that I have left in different places is really quite generous and maybe
    a little more than what I should have done and way more than others on
    this forum would be comfortable with in revealing. But I will continue
    this policy because I believe quite fervently that if I or anyone
    else would give up all that I/they own, knowledge included, as if it
    meant nothing to that person at all, that they would be rewarded with
    far greater gifts than those which I clung to so selfishly, and so far
    that has served me quite well. Its like the parable that Jesus taught
    about giving away all your possessions to follow him or his path without
    looking back, knowing in your heart that what you were moving towards would
    be greater than that which you left behind. But that being said it
    doesn't mean that I or anybody else should or will tell anyone point
    blank, exactly how to make the stone. Nobody since the beginnings of
    this science has ever done that, and why should I be the first? There
    is nothing special about me, I am merely a seeker like everyone else
    here, trying to discover my destiny, trying to come to know ourselves
    and the meaning of our lives while trying to create a legacy for
    ourselves to present to those we love and leave behind in the process.
    I am and will continue to be your humble servant, all the while trying
    to keep my ego in check and turn the other cheek.
    Your brother with all sincerity and in the Great Work

    Frater L.R.
    Last edited by LeoRetilus; 01-15-2010 at 10:12 AM.

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    hi retilus,
    as I said I'm very grateful to you for your stimulating considerations, and sincerely congratulate for your lab work.

    But that being said it
    doesn't mean that I or anybody else should or will tell anyone point
    blank, exactly how to make the stone
    I'm quite convinced that having the exact recipe of the Stone would not garantee succes in making it. it's the same difference that lies between knowing the color composition of a painting and actually painting it.
    they call it Art for a reason..
    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by teofrast40 View Post
    I'm quite convinced that having the exact recipe of the Stone would not garantee succes in making it. it's the same difference that lies between knowing the color composition of a painting and actually painting it.
    they call it Art for a reason..
    cheers
    I appreciate you very much Teofrast and glad you loved the works of Von Reichenbach I presented, however regarding the above, that point can be argued to some extent. While there are paths to the stone that can be left open to the influence of many failure inducing variables and some interpretation on the part of the artist, there are other paths that eliminate such interpretation and if followed very carefully to the letter will ensure success to everyone. These are the paths most prudently guarded, while others especially like The Red Lion path that I presented can take months to complete and perfect the stone and can end in ruin at any point along the process. The reason I would post such a path is that only those with a solid understanding of alchemy and experience would attempt it, and the guy looking for the "easy bake oven" method will leave it. I will not make the art of alchemy into just another form of a get rich quick scheme. There is archemy for that and I presented some forms of it as well, so that whoever is looking to just get rich quick might discover the marvels of true alchemy in the process,and maybe convert that greed in him into some form of charity, that is one virtue of the stone, for what good is wealth if you aren't around long enough to enjoy it, in which long life is another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post

    This reminds me of the fable with the fox who had an appetite for grapes but couldn't jump high enough to reach them, so it decided they were sour.
    The fact that you aren't tall enough to reach the grapes doesn't mean they're sour. It just means you can't rise high enough to find out by yourself .

    Like a child craving for the candy on that top shelf... He can cry and demand until some immature adult gives in, or he can grab a chair, climb on it and get the candy himself. Of course, he may fall off the chair a few times, but when he finally succeeds, the candy will taste SO MUCH SWEETER
    Tantalus

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    Tantalus is trapped in a loop caused by his child-ego state. Always reaching out, but never thinking to climb the tree by himself. The tree controls him instead of the other way around

    To be more archetypal, the elements control him instead of him controlling the elements. The tree is kept alive by the water in which it stands. Their existences are interdependent and hardwired together. He could lay down 'attempting to drink', make the water permanently recede and the tree wither, and thus destroy his seamingly escape-proof archetypal prison. But he doesn't understand Nature. He can't think ouside the box. Or climb on one.
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    I believe the large stone hanging over his head prevented such asinine measures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hephælios View Post
    I believe the large stone hanging over his head prevented such asinine measures.
    What if he can find a way to make the stone fall down and then climb on it?
    After all, Tantalus DID outsmart the gods once - so I see no reason why he couldn't do it again... Oh, yes... FEAR

    What's asinine is to remain in the loop and not try to rise above it.
    Being stuck in mental/archetypal prison constructs, is the hallmark of armchair philosophers.

    The prisoner's first duty is to escape, even if the prison is only in his mind.
    The official New Hampshire motto "Live Free Or Die" comes to mind.

    Besides, he's in Tartarus and already dead, so what effect will the stone have? Kill him again?

    And maybe "dying" is exactly the gateway he needs to move beyond his prison. Remember Edmond Dantes/Monte Cristo?
    BTW, I find the transformation of Edmond Dantes into the Count of Monte Cristo to be a very powerful Alchemical allegory.

    This is exactly the type of mental box I've been talking about here and there...
    Someone prefering to be stuck in a loop for all eternity instead of actually DOING something to break the cycle.

    I have a client who is miserable in her marriage and says she's "dying" to get out of it, but everytime we come up with escape paths, she always finds a reason why not.
    "Yes, but what about the tree? Yes, but what about the water? Yes, but what about the rock?" And so on... Typical victim mentality...

    I'll conclude with one of my favorite sayings, this time from the late Robert Monroe:

    "A true paradox refuses to exist."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    Typical victim mentality...
    I agree, i for one do not like such a mentality, and its damn-near impossible to help someone who has such a mentality, which is truly sad, for their sake.


    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post

    "A true paradox refuses to exist."
    Dude, that is an awesome quote.
    One fatal tree there stands of knowledge called, forbidden them to taste. Knowledge forbidden? Suspicious. Reasonless. And why should their Lord envy them that? Can it be sin to know? Can it be death? And do they stand by ignorance, is that their happy state, the proof of their obedience and their faith?

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