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    You want common sense Leo?
    How much stone are you going to make from "not less than 8 and not more than 16
    ounces" of urine?

    "2nd ~ In five or six hours time the first natural separation is made: the water is carefully poured off as useless and pernicious."

    If anyseparation in urine happens in 5 or 6 hours, you might have some oil in that time. Pouring off all the water from the oil is going to leave what? ....


    "The cold subject is placed in a double piece of clean linen in a clean china basin, in order that the superfluous water may be soaked up or absorbed by the linen, and that the cake may become dry, in a cool shady place, free from dust. This superfluous water would retard and hinder putrefaction, which is the key to regeneration.

    3rd ~ As soon as the Cake is freed from all superfluous humidity, cut it to pieces with an ivory knife (do not touch it with any metal) and put it by means of a glass funnel into your Globe Glass."

    From a separation off of 16 oz of urine, the oil left to dry... you won't have
    anything substantial enough that needs a knife for cutting.
    Last edited by solomon levi; 12-18-2009 at 12:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teofrast40 View Post
    Hallo to everyone,
    first of all I must congratulate with Leoretilus for his achieving, and thank him for making me discover the amazing work of Von Reichenbach, that I loved.
    Regarding Bacstrom's process, hod did you evince that the materia of this Work is urine? I don't recall the text saing it plainly, despite being very detailed on the process. I must say that when I red it, my first thoughts were on human blood, mainly for a striking similarity between the first operations in this text and a method for obtaining a "red earth" from blood for the purpose of an organic alchemy practice (Kremmerz anyone?)
    but then I was young and stupid, now I would never do it..
    hope not to offend anyone, I'm just trying to make up my mind.
    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoRetilus View Post
    There are many clues that lead to the fact that it is very much indeed not blood.
    Quoting from the document

    The first clue:"This process seems of great value as it is in the tradition of earlier alchemical texts, concealing its prima materia and yet explaining all the subsequent stages in great detail, while using the exact chemical terminology of the 18th century."

    Common sense people this document does not contain the prima materia, that is clear, but blood is mentioned several times but only in regard that our magnet the "hadamah-the red dust of man" can be found in the blood of man, but does not reveal the prima materia by saying this.
    And again he when he calls it "blood of the Universal spirit" will be found in the Hadamah or red earth when it forms--"In Hadamah lies concealed the blood that precious fluid wherein dwells the Universal Spirit"

    People please comprehend the Universal Spirit is what we are after, I will explain later.

    Second clue
    "Hadamah signifies the first man Adam or Red Earth, which appears when the subject is dried up. In Hadamah lies concealed the blood that precious fluid wherein dwells the Universal Spirit, attracted by inspiration, and the Dust of the Red Earth, left by itself when the Universal fire nature quits it.
    This Universal Fire is truly Nature
    . "

    Here we are told that the red dust of man or the hadamah does not appear until the subject is dried up. If it were red to begin with, i.e. blood is red, we would not be told this for it would be red from the beginning and remain red , because we never open the flask until the metallic kingdom specification. This is the first clue that the red color does not appear until the subject putrifies, following is the second.

    "Every morning and night take out your glasses and shake them gently every one, by a circular motion, in order to promote the solution of the red earth, which is generally effected in two or three weeks time. The whole earth dissolves into a deep ruby-red liquid, called by us Aqua Permanens or Chaos."
    Here we are told that the red color is not affected until the universal spirit is attracted which prompts the red color or until it forsakes the body of the red earth and begins to rise. This phrase is important in that while it does till us that it cannot be blood, but does give us a hint as to what it is. Why are we told to shake it? Because if we shake urine as it putrifies ,we will have more oil form, which in actuality is the prima materia, he assumes you already have it. Its is this oil that will putrify and turn red. It is this oil and the phlem that forms beneath it that stinks like a corpse.

    Now back to the most important phrase in the document about our true subject of the Stone, it is not a chemical, a compound or anything at all corpreal ,it is The Universal Spirit. "This is the subject of the Stone or Medicine of the Philosophers. The more you take this in its simple, universal, unspecified or unmarried state, the easier, simpler and greater is your work, but the more this subject is already specified the more troublesome prolix and expensive is your process. "
    And this people goes for any path wet or dry that you might take.


    However the spirit is never fully present in the ingredients of any path, it is attracted by the sacred geometry that we build with those ingredients, and mostly through the formation of crystaline compounds, these are clues that what is being attracted is in fact ormus, because what we know about ormus is that it too, likes tight spaces and crystaline formations in that it likes to hang out or is attracted to those tight places, away from magnetic fields. And especially by crystalline compounds that are hydroscopic or that absorb moisture such as acetic acid, and thats why there exists an acetate path and on and on. And also why we can extract the same universal spirit from living metals and living or animated minerals or ores and we are told many times by many philosphers that metals are killed or no longer living when they are melted, and that's because when the metallic crystal lattice is melted or destroyed the spirit escapes, but through a dry or fire path, we can take an animated mineral or ore and through the work of many eagles we can capture that spirit and it will appear always as a flower or star and we capture that many times and fix it to a glass flux, thus transfering it from one crystal lattice to another until it is so concentrated that the red salt appears.

    It is this red salt that is attracted by the concentration of the spirit that will become The Stone of The Philospher or we can catch it before it turns red , when it is still white and and ferment it with silver and we get the silver tinging stone, but if we wait till it turns red and we ferment it with gold then we get a gold tinging stone.
    "Every morning and night take out your glasses and shake them gently every one, by a circular motion, in order to promote the solution of the red earth, which is generally effected in two or three weeks time. The whole earth dissolves into a deep ruby-red liquid, called by us Aqua Permanens or Chaos."

    Very like the Caro method?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salazius View Post
    Okay, blood or urine, both ways and methods are intersting.

    But please, people, maybe you can be wrong. It's not because you followed your idea of a path in a document and it worked out for you that the path in the paper is really the one described.

    And a crystalline structure mean information, specification, mercury. Of course the Stone will not be crystalline, or it is a particular. The Stone + gold is now a particular, and no more a Stone.
    And yes, the capture or manifestation of spirit is in a crystalline or structured form.
    Is not dangerous to work with your own blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by memphis_mizraim
    Very like the Caro method?
    Nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by memphis_mizraim
    Is not dangerous to work with your own blood.
    Yes it is. For several reasons. Only people, already adepts should work that. Only after proper purification of the psychism and with a good knowledge of the theurgy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salazius View Post
    Nope.

    I meant the movements not the process.

    Yes it is. For several reasons. Only people, already adepts should work that. Only after proper purification of the psychism and with a good knowledge of the theurgy.
    I meant the movements not the process.

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    Yes, I understood you. But the movement is not really really similar. Only in the mondification maybe before Solve. But after that ... it's quite more violent.
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    good evening,
    LeoRetilus I'm with you regarding the Spiritus Mundi and the use of salt as magnet. I would never dare to question your research, but I must humbly declare that I'm not so sure that blood or urine could be regarded as matter for the Great Work. I cannot ignore the warning of many ancient adepts that to search the Stone in human fluids, plants, and even in vulgar gold and mercury would be a complete waste of time.
    I understand the appeal of Bacstrom to us modern people, always seeking for recipes, I'm the first. But to me it sounds like a particular. Archemy, as Fulcanelli called it.
    And also i must say that this propedeutic theory that alchemy should start with vegetal works, then mineral and finally animal is found only in moderns (Albertus, Dubuis). Almost all the classics talk only about mineral work. And they say that it's child play (Affaires de femmes et jeux d'enfants).
    As you maybe have guessed I don't like very much modern authors. I obviously started from them, as closer to my way of thinking, but soon got disappointed and decided to leave all of them - saving only fulcanelli- and to concentrate on the classics, starting from the elders.

    regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi View Post
    You want common sense Leo?
    How much stone are you going to make from "not less than 8 and not more than 16
    ounces" of urine?
    You are told, only a few grains, of the white sublimate will gather at the bottom of the oak stopper.

    There is a yellow phelgm that forms in the urine after is putrifies, it forms in the center of the urine, and attached to the oil, by mucousy like tenderels. This is the prima materia, it will be placed in a clean china basin and in 5-6 hours the first natural seperation is made the water poured off as useless, as it hinders further putrification, that will turn this yellow phelgm red, this is the Hadamah, this is the magnet ,that will attract the Universal Spirit.
    Last edited by LeoRetilus; 12-18-2009 at 07:59 PM.

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    Due to certain tones that have arisen towards me, that I do not feel are very warm and welcoming to my perspective. The post at the gymnasium will be my last.

    Once again thank you and I wish you all luck. Be careful and be safe

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