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    Oil of Calcium or the Sulphur of Coral

    This is a Phoenix-thread from the old site.

    From solomon levi's post:

    Actually I've been trying to find how people make oil of calcium.

    Do you know how to do this Beautiful Evil?
    Can it be done with vinegar and sea shells since vinegar dissolves calcium carbonate?
    Is that a good start?
    Sorry to tangent. You can post an answer in a new thread if you like.

    Particularly, I've seen how coral calcium is absorbed better by the body, so I thought
    alchemical calcium will be even better. I advocate alkalising the body for health.
    I was just going to make some m-11 from sea salt. I'll use KCO3 instead of lye.
    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi
    I've heard of this oil of calcium but haven't found any methods of manufacturing it.
    I'm familiar with coral calcium being more easily assimilated, so I thought alchemical calcium would be
    even better, just as I experienced with oil of sulphur-vive compared to MSM.
    I'm into alkalising the body for health and want to use calcium somehow.

    I have a bunch of seashell pieces (calcium carbonate) and I know they dissolve in vinegar.
    What would you do then?
    Hmmm. I just realised I might follow the recipe for the fixed oil of sea salt which creates
    an acetate and then digests with sal ammoniac to fix it.

    Any thoughts or insight would be appreciated.
    Quote Originally Posted by BeautifulEvil
    I have a few books at home that mention how to extract an oil/sulphur of coral, but I don't know the process off hand. The best coral to use for this process is red coral, since this is the coral with the most sol-fire, it's more mature than white coral.

    I suppose one way to do this is through the acetate process. Grind the red coral into a powder, pour onto this some wine vinegar, lightly digest for a few days, and then evaporate to obtain a powder. Extract this with water to obtain the water soluble salt (calcium acetate). Do the dry distillation to obtain the acetone. It also might yield a sulphur, and if this is the case then we don't have to continue, but if not then we'll need to powder some fresh red coral and add this to the freshly prepared philosophical mercury of calcium. Lightly digest this for a few weeks, and on top (or bottom?) should be a red oil of coral. This is a round about way of doing it, and with this method you may also make a stone of red coral.

    Here's another method:

    The Preparation of the Tincture of Corals

    Take red Corals, break them into pieces and pour on them a common Spirit of Salt and the Corals will be dissolved. This being done, draw off by distillation the Spirit of Salt and edulcorate them well. Then take to one marck of this powder half an ounce of common Sulphur, pulverised, and having mingled it together, reverberate it very gently till all the Sulphur be burned away. Having done so, grind as much Camphor with the Corals and burn the Camphor likewise away. Then edulcorate well the Corals and pour upon them high rectified Spirit of Wine and digest them for eight days and the tincture of the Corals will elevate itself into the Spirit of Wine. Then pour off that which you have extracted and after that draw off the Spirit of Wine from it and there remaineth the tincture of Corals behind in the bottom like a red, fat oil of Olives.
    I'll see what I can come up with when I get home.

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    I have a bunch of seashell pieces (calcium carbonate) and I know they dissolve in vinegar.
    What would you do then?
    Sea shells should also work for this, but they're not as alchemically mature as red coral.
    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi
    Okay. I know lots of methods for coral. I just didn't make the connection that that is calcium carbonate too. Duh.
    Extracting from red coral is on my list too.
    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi
    Here are some pics of sea salt dissolved in vinegar and evaporated to form crystals.Sea salt is cubic. These are pyramidal. Cool!


    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi
    If I go with the fixed spirit of salt method, can ammonium carbonate be used instead of ammonium chloride?
    Can ammonium chloride be made by mixing ammonia with HCl?
    Quote Originally Posted by BeautifulEvil
    THE LIQUOR OR WATER OF CORAL IS MADE THUS

    Take sal ammoniac well purified by sublimation, of red coral finely powdered, of each a like quantity. Sublime them so often until the coral will no more rise up. Then take the calx of coral that remains in the bottom of the sublimatory, and put it on a marble or glass in the cellar to be dissolved. That which will not be dissolved, sublime again, and do as before until all be dissolved. So you have the liquor of coral.
    Note that if you will have the true tincture of coral, evaporate the humidity of the foresaid liquor. Then extract the tincture out of the powder with spirit of wine, which spirit evaporate to the consistency of honey. And you have a most rare medicine.
    This medicine strengthens all the parts in the body and cures all distempers that arise from the weakness thereof.

    Link: http://www.alchemywebsite.com/jfren_3.html
    If I go with the fixed spirit of salt method, can ammonium carbonate be used instead of ammonium chloride?
    Not sure, I would stick with the chloride though.

    Can ammonium chloride be made by mixing ammonia with HCl?
    Yeah, that should be fine. Take some diluted ammonia solution from the store (no additives, etc) and bubble some HCl gas into it from the distillation of common salt or sea salt. You can also add the acid to ammonia, it'll accomplish the same thing. I would look for more philosophical methods to obtain ammonium chloride though. This may not be up your alley, but one of the fixed salts of urine is ammonium chloride (the volatile is ammonium carbonate).

    If you have ammonium carbonate, you can add some HCl to it and make ammonium chloride. There's another way, if you dry distill ammonium carbonate you'll obtain ammonia gas, if you react this with hydrogen chloride gas you will obtain a solid ammonium chloride [NH3(g) + HCl(g) → NH4Cl(s)], or you can bubble this ammonia gas through a HCl solution.

    Heh, there are many ways to work!

    Here are some pics of sea salt dissolved in vinegar and evaporated to form crystals.Sea salt is cubic. These are pyramidal. Cool!
    Cool pictures, I like the crystal structure, that's neat. What's the red liquid? Is that wine vinegar?
    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi
    Yes, wine vinegar.
    Thanks for the info.

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    I think I found another way to make oil of calcium.
    The oil/liquor of sand/flints is made by fusing 1/4 sand to 1 potassa-carb
    and then letting it deliquesce into a fat oil.
    Apparently, this can be taken internally (I'm sure just a drop
    or two in wine or water) and it also acts on metals, extracting a color
    from them (even gold, I think) and dissolving antimony and sulfur - these statements
    from "Compendium of Alchemical Processes"; probably Glauber.


    Anyway, I'm sure the same could be done with calcium carbonate
    and potassa-carb. This will be a pretty strong alkali, so if one intends to
    ingest it, again, probably really small dose.

    I guess I'll try it.
    I made the liquor of sand and it's deliquescing real nice.

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    I found a recipe for the oil of calcium:

    OIL OF CALCIUM - dissolve calcium carbonate in vinegar digested in balneo; evaporate and edulcorate until the water
    comes off insipid. Then wash it once or twice with rose water; then pour upon it may-dew. Distill, but let it
    boil strongly, and you will find in the receiver the water and oil which seperate.

    It's interesting how the cal-carbo dissolves in the vinegar.
    Of course there's a lot of gas released so don't pour too much
    vinegar on at once and don't seal the bottle completely.
    But the color change surprised me:



    The one on the right is fresh and everything is still circulating upwards.
    On the left is the first decant from the material, so the right is just fresh
    vinegar trying to dissolve what was left after the first. So all the green-ash
    colored material you see on the right will settle (you can see this in the picture, the
    one on the right) and leave the dark solution (on the left).
    I used white/clear vinegar btw, so all the color is from the cal-carbo.
    Last edited by solomon levi; 06-27-2009 at 09:30 AM.

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    The third imbibition (? imbibing?) didn't color as strongly/darkly, so the cal-carbo is spent.
    I was going to pour the third decant into the others and I noticed this:



    Obviously I haven't evaporated or distilled yet.
    You can see some stuck to the side when I tilted it.



    It's definitely oily and not a fungal growth. You can tell when you wiggle it that it's oil.
    Maybe I'll save some and then continue the process as it's written when I have time.
    Last edited by solomon levi; 06-30-2009 at 09:39 PM.

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    Interesting!

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    Oil of Calcium...

    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi View Post
    I found a recipe for the oil of calcium:

    OIL OF CALCIUM - dissolve calcium carbonate in vinegar digested in balneo; evaporate and edulcorate until the water
    comes off insipid. Then wash it once or twice with rose water; then pour upon it may-dew. Distill, but let it
    boil strongly, and you will find in the receiver the water and oil which seperate.

    .
    I've been reading this site for awhile. It looks like you are very active and involved in some interesting processes. I'm pleased to make your acquaintance.

    This recipe is strange. Apparently, its not an Acetate process. Adding the Dew water means it would boil at 100C, well below the temperature where the Acetone comes over. Does it need to digest with the Dew after adding ? Why not use Dew or Rain water for the washes too?

    Rose water? Is the oil that comes over the volatile oils from the Rose water? At least partially? In that case, why not a drop or 2 of Essential Oil of Rose in the dew? You may want to make your own Rose water anyway. Shouldn't one check for Sodium Benzoate or other preservatives in the available Rose water? After it dries does anything valuable remain to come over with the acetone? Are these enough questions?

    I am not sure if I consider this a promising recipe. Seems a little strange. It looks easy enough though.

    I have a collection of red and pink seashell fragments that I am dissolving in Vinegar. I am planning to fool around with Acetones again. I am hoping Ca Acetate will be a little less messy than some others.http://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
    I would also like to make some of shells into Quick Lime, but will need a little furnace for that. I was wondering, isn't the Feces left CaO? Could be its too contaminated with organic byproducts that don't come over. This might be an interesting way to make quicklime without a furnace, though. It probably needs to be Calcined anyway.

    I have a bunch of Acetate made from egg shells, but never ran it as I lost faith in Acetates in general.(Had to move too)



    BTW, I am thinking of getting a small rock tumbler to save time with a mortar and pestle. Just pile whatever into the Ball Mill with some quartz pebbles and let her roll.http://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

    Carlos

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    Hi Solomon Levi, that's a very interesting color change! I wonder what's happening here?

    How pure was your calcium carbonate? I noticed you used white vinegar. I'm trying to figure out what's causing this color change to occur. I think maybe we're seeing the formation of some kind of organic molecule (or a number of them).

    Did you follow the process to make the oil of calcium exactly? Did you make any deviations? Did you do the rose hydrosol wash? Did you use dew?

    You're adding vinegar to calcium carbonate, and then digesting in a balneo bath right? Does this color change occur during the digestion process?

    It's definitely oily and not a fungal growth. You can tell when you wiggle it that it's oil.
    Maybe I'll save some and then continue the process as it's written when I have time.
    Are you talking about the film like matter on top of the liquid? I don't think that's an oil. It seems like the film from the GW process (I've heard this film is mostly calcium carbonate). This same phenomena also happens with saturated solutions. So if your solution is saturated with calcium acetate, then a crystalline film like layer forming on top isn't out of the question.

    An oil would disperse throughout the surface of the liquid, and I don't think that's happening here.
    Last edited by Aleilius; 07-06-2009 at 03:20 AM.

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    Nice to meet you Heartofgold.
    I'm a little familiar with acetate work, but this is simply an attempt to find
    an alchemically prepared calcium, based on the idea that it would be as much
    better than coral calcium, as coral calcium is to regular calcium tablets.
    I've seen some good things come from coral calcium and alkalising the
    body, so I figure an alchemical calcium would work even better.

    I'm sure all the washings are to neutralise the pH from the vinegar,
    and I often see the use of rose water, seemingly just to give a better taste
    at the last washing??? I'm not sure if there's some other reason for it. I was
    going to ignore it anyway. I just want to wash the calcium oil and taste it, see
    if it's a good alkaliser.



    Hey Aleilius.
    The calcium carbonate wasn't real pure. I got it at a hardware store for gardening.
    I think it's maybe 86% . I'll have to check when I'm home.
    At this point, all I've done is added the cal-carb to the vinegar and shake and let it
    settle. When everything settles this color appears and the oil appears on top in a
    couple days just sitting. I haven't heated this at all yet. I haven't done any washings
    yet either. I'm thinking I'll just pour this into another open-mouthed container
    so I can get some oil off - I can't decant it, it stays in the bottle. So I'll have to
    pour the whole thing out in a new container.
    Interesting comments on the oil, but that's sure what it appears to be - a white oil
    on top; no crystals. The solution is definitely saturated. I guess I don't know what
    would distinguish a film from an oil. It's definitely a film over the whole surface
    now, and when I move it to the sides of the bottle, it runs down oily.

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