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    The Caduceus of Hermes

    This is a Phoenix-thread from the old site.

    I think this symbol can't be ignored any longer as it is a core element of alchemy. But I will post more on this at a later date.

    For now enjoy the following images:


    To see a larger version of this image click HERE

    The Greek Hermes, the ancient Egyptian god Thoth, the Phoenician Taaut and the Roman god Mercury are all the same entity each one having a magic staff wrapped by two serpents. Greek mythology tells us of the origin of this staff, best known as the Caduceus, with the tale of how Tiresias found two snakes copulating. He separated them by sticking his staff between them and was immediately turned into a woman for seven years until he was able to repeat his action and changed back.

    The ancient mythology of the Chinese viewed the world as surrounded by two entwined serpents that symbolized the power and wisdom of the creator. The Taoists of China used the image of two serpentine forms entwined, one white the other black, to represent two forces which they called yin and yang.

    The Caduceus of Hermes is often confused with The Staff of Asclepius, but really this confusing is more to do with corporate logos and pharmacies than within the occult. I personally try no to be so narrow-minded.

    Below is an interesting image that shows both staffs. We see Hermes and a merchant next to a disapproving Asclepius and the naked goddesses Meditrine, Hygeia and Panacea. Perhaps an image that describes the chasm between that of science and esoteric gnosis?


    Engraved from an original in the then Museum Pio Clemens in Rome Galerie Mythologique, Recueil de Monuments by Aubin Louis Millin, Paris 1811.

    Of course there is a very interesting correspondence with the double-helix (DNA), Jacob's Ladder, Kundalini and Ningishzidda that deserves further discussion!

    For me The Caduceus of Hermes is the alchemical process in one single image, just as The Emerald Tablet is the very same in one single text!
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    In my experiences with this symbol, I once had my legs turn into snakes and start having sex with each other....

    lying naked in my backyard....in a thunderstorm,....

    also, I found myself stuck on the pole itself in my fallopian tubes turning into serpents.....

    alchemy is hot....

    I think it's safe to say this symbol sums up the nature of one of the underlying core principles of the earth itself, or perhaps this entire galaxy and beyond.

    I'm curious about the one image with the snakes filling a vase with venom or spittle...interesting.
    Quote Originally Posted by MythMath
    Here's my city's seal:



    It happens to grace each of our trashcans...

    The streets just hum on garbage day...
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    lol

    MythMath you're so weird.
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    I'm curious about the one image with the snakes filling a vase with venom or spittle...interesting.
    Which one do you mean? The tarot card picture?

    MythMath that logo is funny!
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    No....far right, second one from the bottom, filling the alembic...
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah


    If it is this one you mean I can't give you an answer since the website I got it from tells nothing of what it represents, but I welcome your interpretation!
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    Well, ok, I'll try...

    The serpents represent the two great principles, Absolute and Sakti, manifesting from earth (in the form of male and female practitioners)

    The orange flaming ball at the bottom represents the whole solar system and the little black dot is earth.

    The three triangles - abrahadabra again....

    Their tails (forming a crescent shape -allah's symbol) are...uhh...on fire...which is heating up the alembic and they are dripping venom and saliva into it...they appear to be in the act of raising the water levels....we see that the changes inside the vial are express externally but still contained within the forms of their bodies....

    The three crowns on top represent the alignment of the highest tiers of the tree of life, binah, chokmah, kether.

    In the alembic is being created a new paradigm...

    Edit:

    Also noticed today the seal of Oxford has three crowns, the words mean "God Enlighten Me":

    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    The Swedish National Hockey Team is even called Three Crowns!

    Perhaps the lower circle can hold the seven lower chakras you spoke of?

    The black dot, is without a doubt the Cubic Stone (Philospoher's Stone)!

    The fire that surrounds this lower sphere seems to me to be the dormant Serpent Fire!

    Perhaps these seven lower chakras are keeping the Serpent Fire dormant?

    We are keeping ourselves so busy with fear, lust, anger, jealousy, mental confusion, selfishness, absence of conscience and malice that we forget the essence of ourselves. And even if we are aware of, for instance, love we never truly feel it like a constant buzz in our veins. I think this is what Spiritual Calcination is all about. Shed our false physical selves to reveal the hidden true essence, and the power of the sleeping Serpent!

    And the Alembic-body will begin to fill up again...
    Quote Originally Posted by MythMath
    In the year 926 A.D., there was held a General Assembly
    of Masons at York, England, called by King Athelstan's son Prince Edwin,
    wherein the great traditions of symbolic and operative masonry
    were constituted, revived, or organized, and a new code
    of laws for the governing of the Craft instituted.



    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    Well for instance, my understanding of the patala chakra (lowest underworld/murder/outside the universe/Lord Ananta's realm) is that it controls murder because he is the lord of this entire universe and is completely justified in killing whomever he pleases...

    My chain is centered in the ankles where the chakra of no guilt/no regrets for any kind of sin is held. I am told this is so that I don't worry about causing mayhem...

    OTherwise...jealousy belongs to him...greed belongs to him....murder belongs to him...lust belongs to him...my chakras are properly activated because they have right-thinking involved in regards to karmic consequence...the seven lower chakras have proper application, but it requires complete sacrifice of self. The realization you have absolutely no control over anything that happens in this realm except in a slave mind capacity towards the consciousness of all...with one subtle motion of Ananta's scales, entire continents on earth tremble...imagine the slightest pinpoint of thought occuring in the black ocean below all the worlds and it's effect when finally manifesting on earth..what that would do to a human.

    it's slavery

    it's effortless effort

    and for the tantric adept it's action without lust for fruitive results.

    I have this constant burning love feeling for Ningishzidda but also a number of other things....which gets centered in the bridge between heaven and earth...the hara...alembic...w/e

    (if this post doesn't make sense to you you should say so...I can explain it in more basic lingo)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    (if this post doesn't make sense to you you should say so...I can explain it in more basic lingo)
    Well, I think I got what you mean but I would love to see you explain it in basic lingo...

    Also it might aid others too afraid to ask you!

    Some might feel you look a bit scary (with that avatar)!

    Anyway your words are food for thought, no question about that...
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    Really, that leopard always struck me as a bit dumb looking...like a lolz cat...ok I will change it

    Each chakra has siddhis "Powers" associated with it...and deities/symbols.

    The lowest chakras from the base of perineum on down to the soles of the feet are not activated in normal practice. It is because they have negative (bad) attributes)

    However as one might imagine they are necessary and also good if we choose to activate them in a proper manner, but these teachings are forbidden to be taught.

    Obviously the one assocated with the patala chakra means that you can kill whomever you please, whenever, or something like that. It is for this reason we have secret teachings in Buddhism and so on. One still accrues karma for misuse, but it may be that the person will perform many bad deeds if they are not ready for this level of development, and so they will cause an imbalance. Which is entirely possible. Just look at the state of the world.

    I'm no expert on chakras though...just a theorist ENTP type...
    Quote Originally Posted by mescalinfusion
    Coral Castle Code Broken
    by Jon De'Pew
    http://www.world-mysteries.com/coralcastle.htm

    Scroll down to his article. I think you'll see he's talking about the twin serpents.
    Quote Originally Posted by MythMath
    Actually, DePew seems to be championing a more ternary* basis for creation: (+ 0 -)...

    The connections between Science and Religions
    of all cultures are made with this discovery.

    There are only three things the whole universe
    needs to have for all of it's majesty.

    North-pole magnets & South-pole magnets and they are orbiting
    Neutral particles of matter: North-pole / 0 / South-pole.

    It is the substance of creation and of life itself.

    It is alive and It never dies.
    * Tai Hsuan Ching in Motion: click to see groovy animated gif
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    Yeah, well, everything is fractal, bottom to the top...this ties into the unified field theory...the whole universe as a big rotating machine...

    I like to think of it as a streaming jelly donut in HDTV...
    Quote Originally Posted by MythMath
    My logo for EYESYS games
    (on the back of the elemental tarot):


    ________________________________

    The caduceus, taken as more literal representation,
    becomes its own illustration or map. For this interpretation, one only
    has to read the elements of the caduceus as corresponding to elements
    of the human body. For example: the two serpents represent the pineal
    gland and the pituitary gland (which both look snakelike when uncoiled);
    the staff represents the spinal column; the knob represents the medulla
    or the cranial orb; and the wings represents the two hemispheres of the
    brain (the wrinkled cross-section of the brain has the shape and texture
    of stylized wings); the number of intersections of the snakes corresponds
    to the endocrine glands or the chakras.

    What does this correspondence mean? My own
    tendency is to read the symbols as a suggestion that all humans have the
    potential for healing, wisdom, and transcendence incorporated in their
    own being. The caduceus may have been an instructive device whose rules
    of usage have been transformed into religious ritual over the ages.

    Another approach -- one that can yield alarming
    results -- is to apply a materialistic reading more rigorously. From that
    perspective, it is clear that the caduceus might initially have referred
    to an actual tool used to induce healing and transformation. Over the
    years, a small number of scholars have taken the caduceus as a diagram
    for a functional tool. During my research, I ran across one of the most
    recent functional interpretations by a scientist named Joshua Gulick,
    who actually constructed a caduceus. He says, "It is not just a symbol.
    It is an archaic blueprint for an infinitely resonant device to create
    and project fourth dimensional waves…. Those of you who have studied occult
    science likely know that serpents often represented electricity, while
    birds represented magnetism. The serpents in the caduceus symbol represent
    electrified wires with current flowing towards the heads.

    "With these 4th dimensional waves, it might
    be possible to affect 3 dimensional space.… It might also be extremely
    easy to affect the human or animal mind at a distance. Research has already
    shown that fairly strong magnetic pulses can cause firing of neurons in
    the brain. With one of these staves pointed at one's head, the firings
    of one's neurons might be controlled fairly precisely by varying the frequency
    passing through the staff. One could be entranced with theta frequencies,
    stimulated with alpha frequencies or higher, or actually put to sleep
    using frequencies around 4-6 Hertz. The staff of Hermes is cited in mythology
    as having a anesthetic effect…. This device is also has the potential
    to be immensely useful for healing. Preliminary evidence has shown that
    when hit at proper resonant frequencies, parasites, bacteria, and viruses
    may be selectively destroyed.…"

    Gulick's assertions may sound rather fantastic,
    but he has actually conducted tests of his machine which explain much
    of the caduceus symbology in a rather unexpected way. He says, "I was
    hitting my staff (which had a compressed caduceus winding) with pure sine
    modulated DC current…. During my experimentation, my mother called in
    from the other room (she didn't know what I was doing) and asked me if
    I was 'playing sounds on my computer.' I told her no and asked her what
    she meant. She told me that she was 'hearing tones in her head.' It would
    seem fairly possible that what she heard might had been caused by my experimentation….
    I am in the process of constructing a staff using conductive ribbons rather
    than wire. This modification will allow much greater efficiency and signal
    stability."

    From a purely materialistic angle, Gulick's
    caduceus could explain the link between Hermes' staff and his other trademark,
    the lyre. It also explains why, prior to the current caduceus, Hermes
    staff was a staff entwined with colored ribbons.

    Despite what some theorists say, symbolism
    is not arbitrary. I would go as far as to say that it is never arbitrary
    when it is a human act because what we consciously believe to be arbitrary
    connections are almost always unconsciously meaningful. The caduceus,
    like most symbols from antiquity, has accumulated a spectrum of often
    conflicting meanings over the ages, becoming, in the process, a frustrating
    summarizing symbol. But those meanings, as you have seen, are accessible
    through a variety of approaches.

    So the caduceus could be the blueprint for
    a machine used for mind control and healing, a diagram of how the human
    body is its own vehicle for transcendence, or merely an accidental symbol
    for the medical profession. Take your pick, but apply your caduceus wisely;
    remember that the most important rule for the physician is, "First, do
    no harm."

    from:"Caduceus"
    Quote Originally Posted by MythMath
    Physicians, Heal Thyselves:




    Polarity Principles
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    This images from the site you supplied is great in its child-like simplicity:



    Also stumbled upon this images while looking for something else:

    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    Discovered a Caduceus on a building I walk past almost every day. I'll try and get some pics of it tomorrow and post it here. It is no surprise that the building itself is a School of Economics... Hermes is often connected with trade.
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    Discovered a Caduceus on a building I walk past almost every day. I'll try and get some pics of it tomorrow and post it here.
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah


    Here's a statue of Hermes (as a young man) that I took earlier today in a museum in Copenhagen, Denmark!
    Quote Originally Posted by EtuMalku
    The Caduceus is none other than our DNA
    Quote Originally Posted by EtuMalku
    What duh?
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    I just meant that it has already been established in the following image (from the first post in this thread):

    Quote Originally Posted by Israel
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah

    Also stumbled upon this images while looking for something else:

    Interesting picture. Whoever carved it or commissioned it was definitely not a Master.
    Quote Originally Posted by Israel
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHydralisk
    Well, ok, I'll try...

    The serpents represent the two great principles, Absolute and Sakti, manifesting from earth (in the form of male and female practitioners)

    The orange flaming ball at the bottom represents the whole solar system and the little black dot is earth.

    The three triangles - abrahadabra again....

    Their tails (forming a crescent shape -allah's symbol) are...uhh...on fire...which is heating up the alembic and they are dripping venom and saliva into it...they appear to be in the act of raising the water levels....we see that the changes inside the vial are express externally but still contained within the forms of their bodies....

    The three crowns on top represent the alignment of the highest tiers of the tree of life, binah, chokmah, kether.

    In the alembic is being created a new paradigm...
    I'm going to go one step further regarding the serpents tails. I see the crescent you are talking about, but in Christian symbology this is evidence of the Virgin Mary. The serpents can be seen as a sign of male verility - especially since they are injecting a venom into something - being the alembic. Here you have the law of opposites. The crescent, like a chalice, is seen as a womb with the secret fire exposed to the air. I can't tell what the image within the container is, but it looks like another flame - and since I'm still new to the game I'll ask someone to explain to me what a paradigm is in regards to alchemy.

    The crowns are symbolic of Hermes Trismegistus. The design below the serpents is the four elements, so you're right about it being the "solar system". From the center out, Earth, Water, Air, Fire. There are actually four triangles there (not three), each pointing to a different ring of the sphere under the serpents to their respective elements.

    What we have then, is a pictoral interpretation of the Emerald Tablet.
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    Quote Originally Posted by Israel
    What we have then, is a pictoral interpretation of the Emerald Tablet.
    Great conclusion!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jepetto


    I found this image while flipping through The Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception written by Max Heindel.
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    Nice find... like the b&w!
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    Found a nice image on the Web:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jepetto
    The Ogdoad or 8 symbolizes the eternal and spiral motion of cycles, and is symbolized in its turn by the Caduceus. It shows the regular breathing of the Kosmos presided over by the eight great gods -- the seven from the primeval Mother, the One and the Triad.
    I found this little snippet in a document titled Symbolism of Numbers, taken from THEOSOPHY, Vol. 45, No. 2, December, 1956.
    Quote Originally Posted by The.Hermetic.Alchemist
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    This images from the site you supplied is great in its child-like simplicity:



    Also stumbled upon this images while looking for something else:

    mason symbol
    Quote Originally Posted by The.Hermetic.Alchemist
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    If it is this one you mean I can't give you an answer since the website I got it from tells nothing of what it represents, but I welcome your interpretation!
    you all are right and wrong about this picture. the black dot is in fact the earth, but because the earth is on fire, this represents the so called hell, where we are and are not at this moment. the masons are keeping this secret, the sun is to have solar flares, this is why the earth is represented as on fire. the two serpents represent the non stop battle between the two forces, good and evil. the vile is filling up representing our waters, meaning the sea level is to rise. the three crowns, which are represented in many other ways, is the three antichrists that are to come to earth before the real savior is to come. that is if you believe in this. another representation is of an old Greek statue of a father with two sons who are entwined in snakes, or serpents who are biting the heal of one of the sons. but to stick to the topic of Hermes, please tell me more of him, the story of how Hermes was a man who turned into a woman then back into a man is a new story to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Israel
    It is indeed similar to the patented Masonic symbol, but as I stated before - whoever put this up was not a Master Mason and so I don't think that it signifies any meeting place or any true understanding of Freemasonry (this is assuming that the image was found on its own without any similar designs around it).

    As regards to the assumption that the Masons hold some secret about the Earth being on Fire, I strongly disagree. First off, being a Mason, I have a bit of knowledge about it. Secondly, I have seen several designs showing that the element fire (which many alchemists relate to energy) being the furthest outside sphere, followed by the Ethereal air as the creative energy begins to coagulate, then the unstructured waters which eventually take form as described in Genesis, and finally Earth or solid bodies, on the inside. If you look at the design, you will see four distinct spheres, not just the Earth on Fire.
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    Quote Originally Posted by The.Hermetic.Alchemist
    ...is the three antichrists that are to come to earth before the real savior is to come. that is if you believe in this...
    Which I don't...and although you have valid points I still feel the most simple way to explain this picture is to say: the alchemical transmutation
    Quote Originally Posted by Israel
    If you look at the design, you will see four distinct spheres, not just the Earth on Fire.
    There is always 4 elements, and none more important than the other.

    Earth = root
    Fire = energy

    A burning Earth is not negative... but positive: Calcination
    Quote Originally Posted by The.Hermetic.Alchemist
    I wanted to go back and erase this quote. but now people have gone and posted a reply to it. Like all art the painter painted the picture, although the painter painted it for a specific purpose or to have a specific meaning, but the artist also knows that every person who views the painting is going to interpret it in their own way. this is why this artwork has several meanings, and not just one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The.Hermetic.Alchemist
    I wanted to go back and erase this quote. but now people have gone and posted a reply to it.
    That is one of the dangers of posting your thoughts/ideas on a messageboard!
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    A Caduceus in Geneva

    Found Hermes and his Ng-styled staff in Geneva the other day... outside some corporate headquarters alas... still nice statue!





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    I have this here in firenze to!
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    Those who carry the twisted chord...

    This image is from the Book of Gates:



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    On a door in Buenos Aires:



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    Painting by Alex Grey:



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