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    Quote Originally Posted by teofrast40 View Post
    hallo,
    in the thread on the Compass of the wise Green Lion makes the following statement:



    regarding Perard, I already mentioned the commentary on Hermes Devoilè

    http://www.france-secret.com/alchimie_art6.htm
    http://www.france-secret.com/alchimie_art7.htm

    regarding A.L. Gerber, could it be instead A.L.Gerbant?
    he's the author of the letter published on 'La Tourbe des Philosophes' N°18, 1982, I paste here the text.
    with humility
    Unfortunately the links leading to the commentaries of Dr. G. Perard on Hermes dévoilé are down. Does anyone have those and wouldn't mind sending them to me?
    Thanks!

    Aleilius posted a google translation here

    http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showt...1099#post11099

    Is that all? However I'd have nothing against the french original too (though my french is a bit "rûsty" )
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    Teofrast40 hasn't logged in for almost three years. Has anyone been in touch with him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    Unfortunately the links leading to the commentaries of Dr. G. Perard on Hermes dévoilé are down. Does anyone have those and wouldn't mind sending them to me?
    Thanks!
    https://web.archive.org/web/20131123...himie_art6.htm

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120414...himie_art7.htm

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    Thanks Greg!
    One can count on you!

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    It seems like those pages have been down for.. 6 years, and they still have the linked images!

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    The Alchemy of the Mason, Part I

    Double posting on different threads. See the main post here: The Alchemy of the Mason, Part I
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    There are 4 pages altogether, regarding the Cyliani-related correspondence. Here are the Google translated English versions:

    Part 1

    Part 2

    Part 3

    Part 4

    It's interesting what is suggested in the last part, that the "chalky place" and the "granite plate" actually indicate an existing geographical location, rather than being a hint about the "matter".

    Also, in Part 2, Cyliani's "Matter" is suggested to be a "saline-nitrous mineral" (see also the Golden Chain's "Prima Materia"), although in Part 1, the "Dragon" is referred to as an "excremental sulfurous or arsenical material"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    There are 4 pages altogether, regarding the Cyliani-related correspondence. Here are the Google translated English versions:

    Part 1

    Part 2

    Part 3

    Part 4

    It's interesting what is suggested in the last part, that the "chalky place" and the "granite plate" actually indicate an existing geographical location, rather than being a hint about the "matter".

    Also, in Part 2, Cyliani's "Matter" is suggested to be a "saline-nitrous mineral" (see also the Golden Chain's "Prima Materia"), although in Part 1, the "Dragon" is referred to as an "excremental sulfurous or arsenical material"
    It reminded me of the Chalcantum that some authors mention.
    In the dictionary by Martin Rulandus is here.

    Von Helmont mentions it here and in a few other places.

    The Consideratio Brevis also mentions it, but I am sure it is quoting Rulandus.

    Though is all cases it is a substance that can be found in different places (Cyprus, Rome, Sicily and Hungary if I unite all the sources).

    P.S, it's hard to give an etymology of the latin "Chalcantum"... The English "Chalc" comes from the Latin "Calx"... Maybe the latin "Chalcantum" comes from "Calx" too, but I am not sure (though it is certainly not an usual word in Latin, maybe a neologism).

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    It stems from old greek:
    Κάλαμος (kalamos) means "reed pen".

    The people living in the near east (persians, hebrews, assyrians) wrote on tanned leather with "copperwater"(=chalcantum). It's a very thick/viscous solution of iron and copper vitriol (sulfate).

    The places you mention all were famous for their vitriol, especially Cyprus and Hungary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    It stems from old greek:
    Κάλαμος (kalamos) means "reed pen".

    The people living in the near east (persians, hebrews, assyrians) wrote on tanned leather with "copperwater"(=chalcantum). It's a very thick/viscous solution of iron and copper vitriol (sulfate).

    The places you mention all were famous for their vitriol, especially Cyprus and Hungary.
    Amazing... So it's from χαλκός / chalkos / copper + [I don't know what].
    Where did you find this information on the chalcantum?? It would be useful for me right now (no, not really going to begin writing in some sort of oxidized copper, but it would be an useful note for a text I am translating).

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