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    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi View Post
    This is a beautiful post. I am in complete agreement with this paradoxical explanation of time.
    That is my experience also.
    I've witnessed (and am now witnessing) several speeds or levels of time simultaneously.
    While I don't have a computer language background, I do have a green language background,
    and I have THE background, and I completely understand and agree with the view of "base class"
    (I call it a foundation) and "writebacks", etc. For me one of the nearest examples we can relate to is
    how often people want something, a particular reality, and get frustrated in not getting it because they
    haven't seen and changed their true intent which is often subconscious - especially the intent of separation and time
    (which is another level/foundation of intent as well).
    I was also watching these fractal loops of time/reality today and witnessing myself casting dreams into the future/higher frequencies;
    I saw it as picking up anchors that have been grounded to this dream/reality and casting them into another dream.
    Then I simultaneously saw the future dream pulling in this dream/anchor like a kite on a string as if it was a memory/the past.
    So I was watching three foundations at once, or three positions (maybe two foundations with the kite being a 'bridge'.)
    So I witnessed the change in the direction of time, and also witnessed the flow of time from outside of it as a third person.
    So i get what you're saying.

    Yes, it takes one to know one.
    The Jnani sees everyone as Jnanis, and the ajnani sees everyone as ajnanis.
    Hi Solomon,

    I'm glad you appreciated my description. That has been more difficult than the practice itself as is evident in the work of many others.

    The language with which we try to understand these things first, represents whatever archetypes that we might use to explain what we see. So the "grounded anchors" for instance is a very useful archetype as it can further you long since one of the things one can do with anchors is to pull them in and cast them elsewhere. Further it's good a communicating things as it carries with it far more than what one explicitly states and it suggests future actions. Calling a disease something like "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" doesn't say anything about treating it, the answer isn't contained in the name. If it were called "Vitamin B12 deficiency - subset 7" for instance, it would be obvious that b12 has to be part of the answer and that the answer was likely quite complicated.. Object oriented language tries to use meaningful names so that it is clear what is being done by and to.

    The concept of the eternal instant and how that interacts with space-time is one of the more difficult ideas. If one has relatively accurate ideas of how things work then they can be more effective at using the system. I will get to that more in response to your other recent post.

    EJ Gold and others speak of setting up "the observer" and even "the observer of the observer". The observer is that which grows to become the self at the next higher major level. Some have termed bringing this "observer" into manifestation as the "birth of the Christ child". Some systems speak of 3 major levels of initiation, 3 major levels of self. As there are significant differences in language it is sometimes difficult to be sure what is meant.


    For me one of the nearest examples we can relate to is how often people want something, a particular reality, and get frustrated in not getting it because they haven't seen and changed their true intent which is often subconscious - especially the intent of separation and time (which is another level/foundation of intent as well).

    Of course they see the reflection of their true intent. That is one of THE SECRETs. that is rarely revealed. Instead the fantasy is that you can have your fantasy.
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    So now we come to that which so many have been waiting for, SEX. See how those simple 3 letters just grab the attention? And after all, this thread is titled A Modern Sexual Alchemy. So to get it started "Did you hear the one about ....?" (Insert favorite Monty Python sex joke here.).

    I use the sexual alchemy because I find it works well and repeatably. Learning of skills pays off. It can be taught and almost anybody that wants to can make progress. Most, when they get that first real look at themselves turn tail and run. Just thinking about their bodies is usually enough to scare them off. What keep's most trapped without waking up? That should be pretty easy, fear that causes the person to block out all that would be enlightenment. A sexual alchemy takes people straight to their fears of allowing more energy and information into themselves. Maybe some consider it too easy and that the way ought to be more difficult.

    So now that is out of the way and on to the business at hand. I am using the words "sex" and "sexual" instead of tantric because the word tantric has picked up too much baggage meaning all sorts of different things. Many might think "sacred sex" and very few "alchemy". I have nothing at all against sacred sex, it's a good thing. It will make one a better and more sensitive lover. However, it isn't alchemy. That confuses a tool for the thing itself. Further I am not reporting theory and practice from historical sources and trying to duplicate practice from 500-5000 years ago. I will certainly use those but I make no pretense of doing or teaching anything "orthodox" according to old sources.I use a modern language with lots of nuances available and well suited for puns whenever possible. I use methods from many schools, new and old. I don't have to use language to conceal what is being done sexually and pretend that it isn't being done. The cultural and personal situations are different now from any time in the past. That is always true no matter what "now" you are speaking from. The path through the maze is constantly shifting. I haven't seen anybody suffering sexual embarrassment from exposing their ankle lately. And nursing a baby in public has become controversial. Nudity in locker rooms is being banned in some places. As a culture we have become quite insane on sex.and nudity and it's getting worse again.

    I am usually not going to use euphemisms, so "sleeping with" means exactly that, SLEEPING, or attempting to.sleep, perhaps in the same bed or merely nearby. It took me a long time to be able to get used to having some body's energy right next to me. Until some months after I was married, and whenever we had a guest, even 30+ years later, I would go into erotic trance awareness with the person all or most of the night instead of sleeping as such

    Perhaps "sex" isn't the right word. "Erotic" might be better as explained in INDECENT PRACTICES. And that is right there part of the problem. Centuries ago when these old accounts and instructions were written many of those being instructed were young and completely inexperienced, had very little erotic learning and very little to unlearn. So the they went through a whole starting from scratch set of experiences including sleeping on the floor at the foot of the bed in which ones future partner was sleeping.working up through stages until they are sleeping nude and cuddling together all quite without anything of an outright sexual nature occurring. This built up the erotic energies, that yearning, opening, reaching out towards your partner set of energies. These days there is a whole lot to undo, to unlearn and relearn. For instance, teenage boys are "taught" via circumstances, to hurry up and get to that ejaculation. If they spend an hour learning to "edge" as current terminology puts it the chances that they will be caught and punished increases. Further if they do it in the shower, chances are the water has been ice cold for the last 25 minutes and they are in trouble for running out all the hot water. Further depending upon the household and numbers of people impatient family members want the toilet. Further they may already be developing incorrect ideas of all kinds by watching ridiculous pornagraphy on the internet. They have adopted the sexual curse of this generation; the needing of pornographic material with a higher and higher "charge" to it to get aroused. I watch trends that are going on all over society. One would think that erectile dysfunction is a middle-aged man's problem as neuropathies, deficiencies, diabetes,heart disease and a multitude of other problems assault the aging body. And yet the number of young guys reporting a specific type of problem is becoming far more common. They speak of loosing their erection as soon as intercourse starts.

    Instead of the old problem of premature ejaculation they have trained themselves and/or their bodies to expect something quite different. The internet makes it possible to carry on a dialog with such an anonymous person that would NEVER be carried on face to face. While the internet has offered this for 15 years or more, this version of the problem has been cropping up in much greater numbers the past few years only. The "why" I can only guess at. Perhaps the Viagra and Cialis advertising has made it possible to be talked about. Perhaps these young men have had access to pornography for their entire sexual life and they have trained themselves to have both high intensity arousing visual stimulation and more intense physical stimulation on certain key trigger spots that lead to quick ejaculation instead of a long slow ramp-up. Frequent high intensity physical stimulation decreases sensitivity thresholds. So these young guys are often ejaculating 2-4 times a day and can't function with their girlfriend once or twice a week. They do fine during some petting with both visual and high intensity physical stimulation but they can't even stay erect long enough to get the condom on.

    This is a different problem, this new younger generation has. You add to it the psychological burden of shame that is put upon the body and sex, and the mythology that a middle aged man should know how to do sex by that time and the problems of teaching this are quite different than they used to be. How many men would actually be willing to retrain their body's sexual response from the ground up? What about women? Are they more willing to retrain their body's sexual response? I think they are. In any case the exact methods of training have to change with the times as different things have to be taught.


    So now we come to THE SERPENT AND THE RAINBOW problem. The problem is one of a long and complicated, much confabulated recipe handed down via apprenticeship with no critical thinking done with one actual effective ingredient hidden amongst more than a hundred with specific directions for each ingredient. Of course when one adds critical thinking perhaps something ceases to be magik. So does knowing that the secret of the tantric meal are several specific nutrients in combination make it less effective? Does knowing that there are specific nutrients involved ruin the symbolic effect? There are other versions of magik TANTRIC meals which don't have the same effect or nutrient value. Does knowing the effects of specific nutrients make it science instead of magik? Does making it very predictably effective lessen the magik effect? Does learning about 10 or so specifically different forms of orgasm and how to do them effectively and at least reasonably repeatably make it less magik? Does that mean one can have 100 such experiences in a year instead of 1 or 2 such experiences each 5 years? What are the actual critical factors and what is confabulation baggage picked up on the way or even meant to hide completely that which is effective. The old alchemical writings hid whatever was being done under layers of jargon and convention along with intentional misdirects.

    Does having an MRI movie of intercourse that shows that the penis fits the vagina completely differently than centuries worth of "common knowledge" turned into a pseudo-scientific belief system has been telling it make it less wonderous or merely more understandable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVAdCKaU3vY for the movie and the full article is at http://www.bmj.com/content/319/7225/1596.full

    Does having an fMRI showing how the brain lights up during an orgasm of some variety change anything at all about the possible information content in the energy of the orgasm? Or does knowing that the entire penis is cradled in the erectile tissue of the full clitoris harm in any way the magik? Knowing all these things merely makes it easier to approach sexual alchemy with much more precision and makes specific training much easier as one can know what more of the actual critical factors are.

    The old "hairy palms" (Apologies to those children of the Palmer families whose parents just had to name them Harry Palmer) and insanity is caused by masturbation claims don't hold semen in an age of scientific knowledge. Maybe the admonishment was really at some point about sharing the energies so don't be selfish and do it alone. In a world with a million humans and 50% child mortality before age 5, sex for reproduction was critical to the survival of the species. Now much less reproduction is critical to the survival of the species. We know that physical semen can't go up the spinal column though of course energies can. The old explanations don't hold up at all under examination. Knowing that daily ejaculations from age 15-75 (how about prescriptions for physical therapy?) or whatever appears to reduce prostate cancer and to increase sperm quality producing better quality babies change anything? Does knowing that actual use increases hormone levels and capacities change anything? Does knowing that it takes practice to play the energies of the body as well as a musical instrument mean anything? Instead people are kept in fearful ignorance. Chances are that there may be something real being said, such as to avoid the practices of some of the young men that are taking them into the realm of non-functionality, but it probably has nothing to do with semen itself except in one circumstance iof which I can imagine. It is possible that in a starved for b12 vegetarian society that each ejaculation takes enough b12 out of the body that over time it makes a starvation situation worse, and severe b12 deficiency can cause insanity. As we are talking some hundreds to thousands of picograms of b12 per ejaculation and a good sublingual methylb12 can put billions of picograms of mb12 into the body, and even a steak can put 3 million picograms into the body, it won't make any difference in a meat eating society. For somebody on the edge nonfunctional deficiency the loss of hundreds of picograms per day could be significant. Of course once that leaves the body by ejaculation it is gone to the ejaculator and it can't be regained unless consumed orally or absorbed vaginally

    I could write lots of Alchemical sex information disguised as computer technology information. I could add 100 confabulations for each 1 piece of actual knowledge and maybe somehow encode that information so that one truly looking could find it and nobody else could see it. I know, we could have a secret society that says one thing to everybody and teaches the secrets to only it's real members, it's inner circle members. Then only those members, paying a goodly price, would get the key to understanding the information and throwing out the distractions.

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    Hi Solomon, Androgynus and others,

    Didn't you even get a chuckle out of my little satire? I was trying to demonstrate the understanding problem of the old disguised alchemical writings. Maybe I made my satire too obscure or dense? Or maybe nobody thought it was funny? Such are the risks of humor. Whether it was funny or not I hope I am communicating. Have fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by III View Post
    I was trying to demonstrate the understanding problem of the old disguised alchemical writings.
    I attempted something similar a while ago, in a different context - but noone appears to have 'gotten' it

    Quoting myself from another thread on this Forum:

    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    I think that many of these texts and pictograms require very special 'hacking' skills to get to their core, because everytime you think you've 'got it', you may well have unknowingly slammed into another firewall, and a 'Secret Fire' Wall, I might add, because you can have seemingly great results with what you've managed to hack so far, and never even be aware that there are even deeper levels behind invisible trapdoors.... And yet, sometimes you pick up a clue, and other times you're swept away by inspiration - but what if the Rabbit Hole is a bottomless pit?

    And there's also always the risk that in your journey through the Land of Oz, a journey nevertheless filled with small victories, you'll finally make it all the way to Emerald City, and even to the Wizard's most secret chambers - only to find out to your great dissapointment that there's nothing really there, and it's all been but a bunch of cheap tricks with lights, smoke and mirrors... And that the wizard is just a pathetic old man with a hot air balloon, and all there's left for you to do is click the red panic button and return to gloomy Kansas empty handed, with nothing but memories...

    How heart-breaking this could be...
    Analize this

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    Hi III.
    Yes, I get the satire and humor, I think. But i also feel something going over my head or that I am
    missing some part of the communication. I had a brief fast and my head is kind of spinning and hard to focus,
    so maybe I'll have more to say when I'm grounded.

    I don't say much on this topic anyway. In my experience, sexual alchemy is the same as pranayama
    but with the "seed on fire" from sexual arousal, which does make a difference.
    Pranayama, to me, is using breath and visualization to raise the energy from the base chakra to the crown.
    The same experience can happen with sex and more... sharing your partners energies, etc.
    But there are many books on that stuff.

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    I have a bit of humor of my own to add:

    Anu - god of heaven
    Anubis - god of underworld
    Anu-bis = twice Anu = Anus

    I could have just said Your-anus (Ouranus = heaven) but this was more inventive.
    And it actually has real alchemy applications:
    (Herm)Anubis is the mirror-reflection of Anu, his double, Mercurius duplicatus:




    Or we can take Re = sun
    Re-bis = what a frog says
    Frog = difda in Arabic = Deneb kaitos = tail of the whale/sea monster (Constellation of Cetus);
    sea monster = Typhon/Tiamat, etc... again heavenly mirrored in underworld - as above, so below...


    "My Son, from the beam extract its shadow."
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    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi View Post
    I have a bit of humor of my own to add:

    Anu - god of heaven
    Anubis - god of underworld
    Anu-bis = twice Anu = Anus

    I could have just said Your-anus (Ouranus = heaven) but this was more inventive.
    And it actually has real alchemy applications:
    (Herm)Anubis is the mirror-reflection of Anu, his double, Mercurius duplicatus:




    Or we can take Re = sun
    Re-bis = what a frog says
    Frog = difda in Arabic = Deneb kaitos = tail of the whale/sea monster (Constellation of Cetus);
    sea monster = Typhon/Tiamat, etc... again heavenly mirrored in underworld - as above, so below...


    "My Son, from the beam extract its shadow."

    Hi Solomon,

    Words can be so much fun. I try to not turn down a good straight line. So much can be said as the tension between opposing things that can't be spoken directly. And in the metaphysical practice there are times when one must balance the extremes.

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    I just noticed Aleilius' quote on the Sphinx protecting science and thought of my Anus post.
    How to get at the (c)hyle beyond the Sphinx!

    Words are so much fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    I attempted something similar a while ago, in a different context - but noone appears to have 'gotten' it

    Quoting myself from another thread on this Forum:
    I think that many of these texts and pictograms require very special 'hacking' skills to get to their core, because everytime you think you've 'got it', you may well have unknowingly slammed into another firewall, and a 'Secret Fire' Wall, I might add, because you can have seemingly great results with what you've managed to hack so far, and never even be aware that there are even deeper levels behind invisible trapdoors.... And yet, sometimes you pick up a clue, and other times you're swept away by inspiration - but what if the Rabbit Hole is a bottomless pit?

    And there's also always the risk that in your journey through the Land of Oz, a journey nevertheless filled with small victories, you'll finally make it all the way to Emerald City, and even to the Wizard's most secret chambers - only to find out to your great dissapointment that there's nothing really there, and it's all been but a bunch of cheap tricks with lights, smoke and mirrors... And that the wizard is just a pathetic old man with a hot air balloon, and all there's left for you to do is click the red panic button and return to gloomy Kansas empty handed, with nothing but memories...


    How heart-breaking this could be...


    Analize this
    Hi Androgynus,

    I hadn't come across this. Thank you for re-posting it here. If I had come across it I think I probably would have said "Well of course".

    even deeper levels behind invisible trapdoors.

    EJ Gold and friends describe this as being "All Nintendoed up". You have to burn a lot of bushes and blow up a lot of rocks to find all the goodies (Zelda). They have put out a series of computer games written in their game engine G.O.D.D. One of the levels of one of the games is a step by step journey through the Alchemists lab.

    In my practice I have found that every "Octave" there is a secret firewall that delivers the message "At last I have made IT"., Most likely don't look beyond that. Then there are all the trapdoors that have to be found and a series of progressively more complicated gates to make it through. Then when one thinks At Last...it starts all over again at the next larger scale. It is truely piled higher and deeper.

    Then when the tree has been climbed to the highest level in the iincubator there is a speed of light firewall that serves to keep most trapped in the illusion of this small piece of creation. A possible interpretation of the gnostic writings concerning the mad "demiurge" usurping the real God is that they couldn't see past that firewall and so thought that they had reached the "root node" of the tree instead of just this tiny snipped off portion of the tree which, because of inherent characteristics of an infinite binary tree, looks like the full tree instead of just one branch. It is the full tree in miniature, as above so below.

    To get through that requires an entirely different approach. The rabbit hole is endless going down. However there is a top. One must find the direction of convergence. Climbing the tree puts one into continual contest with increasingly divergent variations of ones self whereas descending the tree one is always the biggest kid on the block and is far easier and feels like always being on top. It is the petty ego's preferred direction.

    it's all been but a bunch of cheap tricks with lights, smoke and mirrors.

    Of course. As the ONLY way we can interpret any of this is via the archetypes that we automatically pull up most resembling what we think we see. As we expand our range of acceptable archetypes the special effects can get fancier and perhaps closer to a more accurate representation. So the ONLY sensory perceptions we can see are those that we can supply an archetype for. We might perceive other things but they don't make "sense" until we can describe and label them.

    And that the wizard is just a pathetic old man with a hot air balloon

    My wizard archetype rarely uses hot air balloons these days. Jaunting is a superior mode of transport.

    and all there's left for you to do is click the red panic button and return to gloomy Kansas empty handed, with nothing but memories...

    Our habits constitute the auto return mechanism. From the entirety of this current life you are leading all you have are memories. However, to the extent our experiences shape us, we return with whatever changes we have made in self.

    And there's also always the risk that in your journey through the Land of Oz, a journey nevertheless filled with small victories, you'll finally make it all the way to Emerald City, and even to the Wizard's most secret chambers - only to find out to your great disappointment that there's nothing really there

    Ah yes, Great Expectations can be so disappointing. In the metaphysical world the payoffs are knowlege and understanding and many things that are literally unspeakable.There is "no thing" to walk away with and no legs to walk and no ground to walk on. There are no great fanfares. When one is actually in a chamber where things can be changed, one must self recognize that as there are no flashing lights, fanfares or greeting committees or any thing else to signal such.

    return to gloomy Kansas empty handed, with nothing but memories...

    Before enlightenment; chop wood and carry water.
    After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.

    As Cunnard Lines used to advertise "Getting there is half the fun". In this pursuit getting there is ALL the fun.

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    III, it was a great pleasure to read your comments. Thank you

    Of course, what I wrote in the above quote is multi-levelled, and words that appear to represent 'bad' things are actually meant to allow for meaning exactly the opposite

    That was an attempt, not much unlike yours, to use an archetypal language of sorts, and then lay back and let the average reader's dualistic mindframe do all the fragmentation while interpreting.
    (I'm not saying this is your case )

    Thanks again!

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