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Thread: Why Transmutation Is Not a Valid Test For The Philsopher's Stone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frater IA View Post
    -Philosopher's Stone, one of two ultimate creations an alchemist can make, other being the Elixer of Life? Am I correct, or way off the beaten path need to read alot more?
    Alchemists are the Masters of Nature, and thus should be able to produce anything one needs. There's the Philosopher's Stone, the Philosophic Stone, the Elixir of Life, the Powder of Projection, the Aurum Potable, etc. Some would say these all hearken to the same thing, but others would disagree & say they're different entities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frater IA View Post
    -If one thought they made a stone of great ability, whether it be the absolute most perfect stone, or 99.999999% perfect, would you not want to test it in many ways?
    Yes, test it with all possible methods, and then test some more! Find the strength, the limits, etc. Confirmation is a good thing! I don't like whole: "if I test it then I doubt it'll hold up, and I'll have to admit it's not the Stone." I suppose partially it's rooted in fear of false success.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frater IA View Post
    -Is the Philosopher's Stone specifically made out of one exact product or group of products and method, or could it be said that the absolute perfection of any substance through perfect method could potentially yield a stone of great ability?
    This is a tough question, and cannot readily be answered. This is where philosophy takes over for the most part. Those that know the truth of this only know it because they've performed the work, tested the product, and confirmed it. Otherwise it might just be an issue of personal beliefs & speculation.

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    Also awesome answers, Aleilus!!! Thank you very much for recieving my neophyte type questions.

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    These questions are very important.

    There is no such thing as neophyte questions in Alchemy IMO.
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    While transmutation may not be a "test" for the Stone, I would suggest that transmutations are a good subject to study for the student of alchemy, even if they do not directly correlate with many of the classical texts. The reason being that they relate to the growth of things, and they often involve natural or dynamic systems, which may teach us to look at what we are meant to be doing in the lab through different eyes.

    In the work of Ohsawa for instance, sodium was excited to a plasmic state by continuous electrical arcs in a vacuum, and then a molar amount of oxygen at normal temperature was introduced. Potassium was created in the process. This process was described in Adam McClean's Hermetic journal quite some time ago and is freely available on the web now in various forms. According to this paper by Pappas, a similar process may take place within the human cell. The same criterion are required here: electromagnetic excitation of at least one of the matters (the agent) and the introduction of a matter to be transformed (the patient). In the case of the human cell, the excitation is usually provided by the release of energy through activity (nervous or otherwise), examples would be physical activity (release of energy from Mg-ATP complex), heat, fever, etc.

    The work of Ighina (here for example) also fits into this paradigm -- he indicated transmutation of atoms occurred when a materia reached a specific frequency of oscillation. His laws:
    1) The light atoms, when they excite the observed atoms, give part of their motion to the latter.

    2) The observed atoms absorb part of the motion of the light atoms to speed up theirs.

    3) In order to excite an atom, you need it to get in touch with an atom of higher motion; the atom with the highest motion will attract the one with the lowest motion.

    4) The higher the atoms motion, the more luminous it will be and vice-versa.
    Now, the ones with a higher frequency we may perhaps say attract the others due to the harmonies between the two frequencies (eg ratio). For instance, by bombarding the sodium with electrical arcs to excite it to a plasmic state, introduction of the oxygen causes an equalization of potential between some of the oxygen introduced and the excited sodium, raising the oscillation of the oxygen material to a particular level co-incident with that of the lessening excitation of the sodium: bingo! transmutation, according to Ighina's theory.

    In yet another different example of transmutation, Schauberger had a vision of fructigens (a fatty, oleaginous, nourishing material containing a storehouse of energy) interacting with oxygenes (active energies emanating from material due to excitation of matter by the sun). Incidentally, Schauberger and Ighina were both big fans of the Emerald Tablet. Schauberger's vision emphasized the importance of the carbones and fructigenic ethericities, because he understood that people well enough comprehended the idea of fire or excitation but did not comprehend the concept of the fuel and its generation. This concept is reflected today in the idea that proper nutrition is essential for those attempting to raise their level of consciousness/vibration through spiritual practices, since the fire is available for free, but the materia must first of needs be obtained and prepared, even though the fire performs most of the work on the materia.

    This may seem like a bit of a digression, but what I am trying to point out here is that certain key important concepts apropos to Alchemy have been discussed and described in plain language by several "heretical" scientists, which can enlighten us on what is meant for instance by the "life preserving moisture" which the Rosicrucians and alchemists speak of with such reverence, as well as the mechanisms of evolution of matter (especially where Ighina and Ohsawa meet). For instance, armed with this information we may speculate on what effect the earth's magnetic field has on the process of the evolution of metals (such as where Sendivogius uses the concept of magnetism so prevalently, as does Philalethes in places), and how this might be improved. By properly understanding the growth process we can save a lot of mistakes in the lab working on futile materials or methods. This is in fact what I have endeavored to do for the last 12 years or so, so that when a lab is available or when it comes time to create the lab, we do not waste money on vain materials, and problems of the current world environment (where terrorism, meth labs, fertilizer bombs and so on are used as an excuse to reduce our freedom and liberty towards scientific experimentation and discovery) can be resolved through various ingenious methods.

    I cannot stress enough the importance of understanding the life principle, and comprehending "this absence where all presence reigns" (to quote Fulcanelli). Comprehending this process of putrefaction in nature where all potentials become equalized and locked, only to be woken again by some kind of force to unbalance the equation such as sunlight or a contaminant. It has certainly taught me a lot.

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    I am rather puzzled - the result of metal transmutation is yellow cadaver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by horticult View Post
    I am rather puzzled - the result of metal transmutation is yellow cadaver.
    Doesn't have to be a yellow cadavar. Could be a white cadaver. The sol & luna made via transmutation is more noble than vulgar sol & luna. They are not just "dead bodies," but seem to be the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vega33 View Post
    While transmutation may not be a "test" for the Stone, I would suggest that transmutations are a good subject to study for the student of alchemy, even if they do not directly correlate with many of the classical texts. The reason being that they relate to the growth of things, and they often involve natural or dynamic systems, which may teach us to look at what we are meant to be doing in the lab through different eyes.

    In the work of Ohsawa for instance, sodium was excited to a plasmic state by continuous electrical arcs in a vacuum, and then a molar amount of oxygen at normal temperature was introduced. Potassium was created in the process. This process was described in Adam McClean's Hermetic journal quite some time ago and is freely available on the web now in various forms. According to this paper by Pappas, a similar process may take place within the human cell. The same criterion are required here: electromagnetic excitation of at least one of the matters (the agent) and the introduction of a matter to be transformed (the patient). In the case of the human cell, the excitation is usually provided by the release of energy through activity (nervous or otherwise), examples would be physical activity (release of energy from Mg-ATP complex), heat, fever, etc.

    The work of Ighina (here for example) also fits into this paradigm -- he indicated transmutation of atoms occurred when a materia reached a specific frequency of oscillation. His laws:


    Now, the ones with a higher frequency we may perhaps say attract the others due to the harmonies between the two frequencies (eg ratio). For instance, by bombarding the sodium with electrical arcs to excite it to a plasmic state, introduction of the oxygen causes an equalization of potential between some of the oxygen introduced and the excited sodium, raising the oscillation of the oxygen material to a particular level co-incident with that of the lessening excitation of the sodium: bingo! transmutation, according to Ighina's theory.

    In yet another different example of transmutation, Schauberger had a vision of fructigens (a fatty, oleaginous, nourishing material containing a storehouse of energy) interacting with oxygenes (active energies emanating from material due to excitation of matter by the sun). Incidentally, Schauberger and Ighina were both big fans of the Emerald Tablet. Schauberger's vision emphasized the importance of the carbones and fructigenic ethericities, because he understood that people well enough comprehended the idea of fire or excitation but did not comprehend the concept of the fuel and its generation. This concept is reflected today in the idea that proper nutrition is essential for those attempting to raise their level of consciousness/vibration through spiritual practices, since the fire is available for free, but the materia must first of needs be obtained and prepared, even though the fire performs most of the work on the materia.

    This may seem like a bit of a digression, but what I am trying to point out here is that certain key important concepts apropos to Alchemy have been discussed and described in plain language by several "heretical" scientists, which can enlighten us on what is meant for instance by the "life preserving moisture" which the Rosicrucians and alchemists speak of with such reverence, as well as the mechanisms of evolution of matter (especially where Ighina and Ohsawa meet). For instance, armed with this information we may speculate on what effect the earth's magnetic field has on the process of the evolution of metals (such as where Sendivogius uses the concept of magnetism so prevalently, as does Philalethes in places), and how this might be improved. By properly understanding the growth process we can save a lot of mistakes in the lab working on futile materials or methods. This is in fact what I have endeavored to do for the last 12 years or so, so that when a lab is available or when it comes time to create the lab, we do not waste money on vain materials, and problems of the current world environment (where terrorism, meth labs, fertilizer bombs and so on are used as an excuse to reduce our freedom and liberty towards scientific experimentation and discovery) can be resolved through various ingenious methods.

    I cannot stress enough the importance of understanding the life principle, and comprehending "this absence where all presence reigns" (to quote Fulcanelli). Comprehending this process of putrefaction in nature where all potentials become equalized and locked, only to be woken again by some kind of force to unbalance the equation such as sunlight or a contaminant. It has certainly taught me a lot.
    Another very well thought out post vega33! Always love hearing what you have to say. Double kudos on this one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vega33 View Post
    This concept is reflected today in the idea that proper nutrition is essential for those attempting to raise their level of consciousness/vibration through spiritual practices, since the fire is available for free, but the materia must first of needs be obtained and prepared, even though the fire performs most of the work on the materia.
    IMO nutrition is not only limited to food intake, but also in everything else we 'consume' - Art, Relationships, Environment (social and geographical), etc... All these, I also view as 'nutrition'...

    Quote Originally Posted by vega33 View Post
    [...]so that when a lab is available or when a lab is available or when it comes time to create the lab, we do not waste money on vain materials, and problems of the current world environment (where terrorism, meth labs, fertilizer bombs and so on are used as an excuse to reduce our freedom and liberty towards scientific experimentation and discovery) can be resolved through various ingenious methods.
    What I have found out is that the more The Art is understood, the less the working environment will look like a classical laboratory. Most of my labware is now off-duty and on decorative display...
    However, The Work is still quite expensive, since there is rent to pay, clothes and food to buy (or grow), bills to pay as well... but these are the really significant expenses of The Work...
    (Unless of course one is a 'rich kid' from birth or just got some juicy inheritance )

    Quote Originally Posted by vega33 View Post
    I cannot stress enough the importance of understanding the life principle, and comprehending "this absence where all presence reigns" (to quote Fulcanelli).
    Comprehending this process of putrefaction in nature where all potentials become equalized and locked, only to be woken again by some kind of force to unbalance the equation such as sunlight or a contaminant.
    It has certainly taught me a lot.
    How very true! But it is Nature who un-balances the equation by contaminants... Alchemists should create this un-balance WITHOUT contamination (or with as little as possible )

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    Imho;

    The purpose of the Opus Minus or Lunar work is to be able to control the hermetic elements in order to attain specific realms and the projection of specific aspects of self . Control of the human energy body electromagnetic state is learnt by becoming all moon, by splitting or dumping or purging the electric from the magnetic albeit for a time to use a solely lunar and magnetic body ; to project past the ring past not or past the window on the edge of the universe, et cetera. After the Work of the Sun is completed the ongoing works of the moon manifest akasha.

    The purpose of the Magnum Opus or Solar work is to meet the Higher Self to project at will through the solar plexus to have K& C with the HGA and to bring fire to the body of the magician who is bipolar so that they enter a tetrapolar state; moving from a red right blue left body to a four hermetic limbed body
    red + yellow sun= orange arm
    blue + yellow sun = green leg
    and the transmutation that is sought is the healing of the Guardian Demon within by use of the Philosopher Stone. Which is not a powder that cures a dying plant but is a power which transmutes the soul to become everlasting in its obedience to Godhead, not perfect still sinning still human but it manifests an angel which projects from the body and heals and inspires and does the glorious work while we continue with the day to day operations of the physical world of illusions. After the ET is completed the ongoing works of the sun include manifestation of a golden sun energy.

    The Purpose of the Emerald Tablet is to begin to create the immortal light body or Greater Soul.It is not to prolong the life of a plant but it can replace life in itself while the body is still warm and when damage has not been too great. But its purpose is to become a Mahatma , a cosmic teaching spirit who transcends time and can help serve humanity and Godhead by their light. At the completion of the Emerald Tablet the magician learns that the path is infinite and eternal and that we have so much more to learn. The ET allows the magician to manifest the emerald air energy which is the element of ascension and affords the manifestation of the supernal emerald energy centre and the projection of the Guardian Angel within. After the ET comes a Ruby Obelisk and the path continues ad infinitum so that the magician builds up the light quotient and potential in subsequent and concurrent lives. Ongoing emerald works afford the manifestation of the Arch Angel within. Et cetera...

    The tests then for transmutation of the Philosopher Stones is the completion of the Emerald Tablet as evidenced by ;
    i. Projection of the Guardian Demon from the EarthStone or Belly core between the orange and red charkras; the transmuted GD will be a mirror of the GA with the face of the magician upon them. Previous to transmutation a beast faced horned , clawed, batwinged and tailed monster will appear wearing the face of the magician. Transmutation occurs through love and forgiveness and the healing elemental energy of the emerald air and ruby earth mined from the soul which cannot be found until the magician raises their light and sound vibration.

    ii. the energy body will clairvoyantly colour up for a time as emerald green from the shoulders to the hips including the forearms and thighs of the magician after this colouring increases in vibration it will change again though but the stages can be noted to occur in a predictable continuum

    iii. the heart of the magician will become clairvoyantly 8 chambered with the colours of ;
    aqua, rose, amber, purple
    chartreuse, salmon, orange, indigo

    iv.Until the ET is completed there will not be any evidence of emerald green in the energy body but afterwards ;
    *one of the larger supernal energy centres which will manifest is emerald green.
    *the tiny sepiroth are clairvoyantly visible and Netzach on the left hip will change to an emerald green
    *the big toe on the left foot will become emerald green on its first layer of energy
    *the index finger or Finger of John on the right hand will become emerald green on its secondary layer of energy
    Last edited by Aunt Clair; 04-20-2011 at 12:05 AM.

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    There are so many tests and tells and proofs and confirmations of the pathworking of the magickian.

    There is a predictable continuum which is accelerated when that magickian can invoke the works of their most capable past life.

    To invoke the vibration of the past life to become attuned to its vibration the magickian performs works. This work is done when the magickian projects as the Lunar Angel and performs the Lesser Work.

    At the culmination of the Lesser Work or Work of the Moon or Minus Opus, the magickian projects from their body through the watery blue moonstone or head and becomes the blue eagle winged guardian angel. This is the Lunar Angel and not the full potential of the guardian genus within. The angel will wear a face which is in the case of a neophyte in past lives empty like a blue silhouette that is human shaped but wears no features on the face. When that spirit has an earlier soul who has done the Work of the Moon, then the highest vibration of that work appears as a face upon the guardian angel. When the magickian has gone further in this life or another, beyond the Lunar Work, then their own face appears on the guardian angel. This proof can be seen in meditative trance in mystic projection by the magickian or in a dream or by a clairvoyant peer. The GA can be projected at will, the GA can be evoked by a capable peer and viewed clairvoyantly.


    The proof of the completion of the Great Work or Work of the Sun or Magnum Opus is that the magickian can project the Solar Angel from their firey chest or SunStone. It will manifest as a golden yellow lion maned in auric energy and it will bear the face of the highest of the past lives or when the magickian exceeds this work , it will wear their own face. Like the Lunar Angel the Solar Angel can be projected at will and evoked and can be viewed by the magickian in altered states or by a capably clairvoyant peer.

    The proofs of the completion of the Emerald Tablet are many. The magickian will not have any emerald limbs or phalanges or any emerald energy centres until they complete the ET. They will have emerald in their aura or in the nadis, they will have emerald kundalini cobras but the emerald green heaven stone they will not have, they will not have an emerald green left leg. They will not have the flat emerald tablet from shoulders to hips. The ET on the front of the magickian's body does not maintain it changes as they move beyond this work and becomes a cube then an obelisk. The magickian who has the superior emerald green Heaven Stone above their head will be able to project from it as the HS/GA this will be a splendid green angel with their face by definition. It will not wear the face of another life. They will have completed the alchemical marriage of the Solar Angel to the Lunar Angel. This can be done in many ways but one is obvious to project the yellow lion Solar Angel and the blue eagle winged Lunar Angel at once. And in this multiprojection of consciousness, have the blue walk into the yellow becoming green. Then speak to it, know it and when completed they will be three angels able to become as one again as you will. This green angel is the human face of the Hermetic Sphinx.

    But the path is not over , it continues eternally and infinitely. After the ET comes the Ruby Obelisk. It will manifest below the feet of the magickian extending to the right and left of the magickian. When the magickian has completed this work , they can project from the earth energy belly as the bull headed minotaur guardian demon. They will be selfish and not noble prone to moods of anger and rage over nothing. This aspect is not evil but it is a protector a righteous anger which rises to defend the innocent or the self. The Magickian can project from the red belly and from the yellow chest and these two will form an orange amber Lower Self which appears as a child at the time of trauma or in a healed magickian as the prime age of 25 to 31 or in some as the age that they are in the physical. It must be further transmuted by projecting the HS/GA from the HeavenStone and the Guardian Demon from the EarthStone. Then, the GD becomes kinder nobler obedient to the magickian and Godhead. But the combinations weakens the magickian for a time. The strength of the angel is exhausted by this transmutation. The combined projection of the HS/GA and the GD is muddy brown chocolate in colour it is the Dark Watcher. It begins the perilous curriculum of the Goetia who begin to appear without evocation in their season to teach their aspect of the curriculum.

    But this begins another work. Each work ends and a new one begins. The Helstone will manifest as a radiant silver black and it will be inferior to the spine.
    The magickian transmute the projection from the HelStone with the projection from the HeavenStone and this sacrifice as before will weaken the magickian but only for a time, then they will become stronger than ever. They will be able to project as any of their angelic aspects or as the demonic or the Goetic. The Goetic self will be given a horrible lesson. They will have nightmares performing these works. They will go to the dreams of the wicked and begin their works by warning them in the guise of their Goetic self. They will like the Ghosts of the Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens, appear in different guises to the ones who commit the evils they have been assigned to. One is assigned to pedophiles, another one assigned to wife beaters, another one assigned to a specific form of drug addict such as a needle or gear user. The lessons that come through them are not from them , they work as a servant to the light to improve us all. They are not judges per se. They are not punishers like the ancient Goetic forms. They are the mirror of the vice. They hold the mirror to the face of the wicked ones showing them the pain they cause themselves and those who love them and those who hate them and the pain they cause innocent victims. They are warned and told to change or shown what they will become.

    But the path continues from there. Always there is more work to do, always there are proofs.
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