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    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    The Prime Paradox of Genesis
    Now that I read it back, this pretty much 'answers' the 'question' this thread poses... 'Where to begin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    Never got into his materials, so I can't say.
    You post in 2010 about referring to PON material identifying hexane is needed to extract horsetail but that you would try acetone first, perhaps you forgot. How did this go, is this what put you off the Bartlett and Albertus material? Dubuis stuff is along similar lines I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axismundi000 View Post
    You post in 2010 about referring to PON material identifying hexane is needed to extract horsetail but that you would try acetone first, perhaps you forgot.
    I only remember doing an acorn tincture experiment (as an alternative to mistletoe, which I think was given by Dubuis), but no hexane/acetone, just SV and also a variation with ether.
    I found this 'recipe' isolated on the Internet, not from working with the PON materials. I never studied those materials or worked with them.

    I don't recall posting anything about horsetail extraction with hexane/acetone, let alone ever working with these matters - could you please point me to where I allegedly posted it?

    EDIT: I just looked it up, it was Solomon Levi, not me who posted about this.
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    Anyway, the acorn extraction was quite unimpressive, to put it mildly.

    I had much better (and clearly noticeable) healing results with self-styled basic (low-level) Spagyrics with Hemp and Melissa (for example).

    High Level Spagyria (like some of the Paracelsus works, as Krisztian posted elsewhere) is a whole different territory.

    Quote Originally Posted by Axismundi000 View Post
    How did this go, is this what put you off the Bartlett and Albertus material? Dubuis stuff is along similar lines I think.
    I'm not familiar with Dubuis and his teachings, but I did experiment with Bartlett, back when I was in 'recipe' mode. I think his 'Real Alchemy' is the first Alchemy book I ever bought.
    Nothing outstanding came of any of those experiments, as the various spirits/salts/agents mentioned in Bartlett's works are lacking/missing several very important keys, without which the experiments have no real value other than becoming accustomed with basic laboratory instruments and practice, to which I was new at the time. It all seems like lifetimes ago now... And I really don't know if he left those keys out on purpose or simply doesn't/didn't know - and I certainly don't want to make assumptions about it.

    Albertus is a somewhat different story ('Inner Circle' level), which I am not at liberty to discuss. And he was also 'before my time'.

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    Sorry for my error about who posted what.

    Whilst I understand why people want to keep secrets about Alchemy. A lot of stuff that was once Alchemy is now applied through chemistry to warfare. I personally agree with Dubuis's writing where he clearly asserts that it (Alchemy) should all be published and generally available. This can be found in the forewords to the late Jean Dubuis various volumes that can be downloaded as free pdf's. The Novice level plant work at least is do-able solo and without being privy to any 'inner teachings'. As for the more advanced stuff, I will cross that bridge when I come to it.

    I am more then willing to listen to those wiser them myself. However 'inner circles' can stick their pontificating were the sun does not shine.

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    I have often pondered about the secrecy of Alchemy, but I think it is the path that is important not the destination and thus if people were to write shortcuts they would be doing an injustice as it would detract from the initial purpose, which is to travel the path.

    Also it may be a case of putting a dangerous tool in the hands of the novice, you don't give children guns; well some do, as in third world infighting, but I'm sure most would agree that it is not a good idea; for those with the guns as well as those they get pointed at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axismundi000 View Post
    Sorry for my error about who posted what.
    I suppose it's my turn to apologize for apparently not expressing myself clearly enough.

    In the Albertus context, I was referring to his 'inner circle' of closer acquaintances, as many people have such circles. It is an issue which includes aspects of a more personal nature.

    This is not to be confused with the 'Inner Circles' of Wisdom and the natural Hierarchies (and Orbits) of the perceived Universe & Reality.

    There has always been the Exoteric for the multitude and the Esoteric for the few. It is the Earth that orbits the Sun and the Moon which orbits Earth.

    It only takes a comparison between the Exoteric Bible and the Gnostic Gospels, for example. The Exoteric (OUTER circle) is designed to keep the masses in check under one 'divine' (yet personified & anthropomorphized) 'authority', have them make babies and basically keep them from killing/hurting each other. The Esoteric, on the other hand, tells a quite different/deeper story. But you go and try to explain to someone the concept of "making the male like the female and the female like the male" (for example). That should do the trick is assisting one to understand (first hand) the "Inner Circles" of Wisdom.

    There are Circles and Orbits everywhere. In nature, in the Celestial Bodies and in people as well. Some circles are more "inner" than others. Way it goes. Like throwing a stone in the water.

    Quote Originally Posted by Axismundi000 View Post
    I am more then willing to listen to those wiser them myself.
    Just out of curiosity, have you met/heard many such people?

    What would you say would be the ratio of 'more wise' to 'less wise' (than yourself) people in your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Axismundi000 View Post
    However 'inner circles' can stick their pontificating were the sun does not shine.
    Quoth Chemical Moonshine:

    The Philosophers have a Garden, wherein the Sun is without ceasing, morning an evening, Day and Night always.
    Now, more specifically to the topic of this thread, in my understanding we are entering any perceived reality in a certain 'Orbit', particular to each individual.

    Most people are content with learning to handle the tasks and experiences particular to their given 'Orbit', and have close to no actual drive to 'jump orbits' or to 'spiral in' towards Center.

    Those who actually take on a spiral, are consciously approaching/entering more 'inner' orbits/circles.

    This is a process of Initiation, which is usually triggered both by the innate internal drive/motivation and by factors perceived as 'external'.

    The Center, when (not 'if') reached, is the gateway to the next level.

    This process happens on its own anyway, naturally but at what may be perceived as a relatively 'slow' pace.

    This is one reason I am so fond of referring to Alchemy as a means to 'accelerated evolution'.

    So, again, 'where to begin'... We begin in our given orbits/circles. Not everyone enters the same orbit.

    Some enter closer, some farther, depending on various factors. Some more 'inner circle', some more 'outer circle' (relatively).

    The 'Entry Orbit' is not THE deciding factor for finding The Exit.

    Some enter 'farther', and jump more 'orbits'/'circles' in a lifetime than it takes others who enter 'closer' to jump in many lifetimes.

    The Inner Circles of Wisdom do not pontificate. The more common 'inner circles' of the orbit-bound, however, can surely do so, loud and often.
    Last edited by Andro; 04-13-2014 at 06:29 PM.

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    Hello,
    My advice is to observe nature. See how it works. As things occur and die. And there know how to proceed. Do not search books. Imagine that the first alchemist in the world had no books, only his eyes. It observed. It observed. And it said.
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