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  1. #1
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    The Machine in the Ghost

    Chinese Alchemy

    This is a Phoenix-thread from the old site created by mescalinfusion.

    I've been toying with the idea of studying Chinese medical Qi Gong therapy alongside Hermetic alchemy, although I am uncertain as to whether to follow through or not, since both demand lifelong dedication and hard work. I wonder if it is better just to stick with Hermetic alchemy, rather than spreading myself too thin. I go back and forth.

    The inspiration to study Chinese alchemy and medical Qi Gong came from this one guy, a Westerner, Dr. Jerry Allan Johnson. His stuff is amazing! Whether or not I will end up studying Qi Gong, I would still very much like to meet him. So I feel like sharing the inspiration.

    Here are the first 2 of his 5-volume series of books, considered as the bibles of Qi Gong by many modern Chinese medicine practitioners. Read the product descriptions!

    Volume 1: Energetic Anatomy and Physiology

    Energetic Alchemy, Dao Yin Therapy and Qi Deviations

    Here is his website:
    and browse his other books available on the website
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    It is all very interesting... I'll bump these when I find the time into the resource page!

    I am sure m1thr0s has got a thing or two to say about Chinese Alchemy. Personally I have only skimmed the surface... but it is all very attractive!
    Quote Originally Posted by antonchanning
    Personally I think there are so many parallels between the various alchemical traditions that its almost certainly best to get as broad a knowledge of the different traditions as possible. What is more, I think some of the Eastern traditions, such as the Taoist alchemy you mention, have a much more developed sense of body alchemy then we find in the west. In Taoism for example, we have Tai Chi and Qi Gong.

    What is more, Taoist, Tantric, Hindu and Bhuddist alchemical traditions all maintain the importance of sexual alchemy. If we look at the symbols of the Hermetic tradition, we find that sexual alchemy is encoded in its symbols, but its importance has been greatly suppressed, probably as a result Hermeticism having had to survive under first Islam, then Christianity, neither of which are renowned for their sexual tolerance.
    Quote Originally Posted by deviadah
    Quote Originally Posted by harveydent
    Dosnt the author of that artice mean Taoist!

    This is the chinese concept of the Tao.

    He who follows the Tao is one with the Tao

    The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao;
    The name that can be named is not the eternal name.
    'Nothingness' is the beginning of heaven and earth.
    'Oneness' is the mother of everythings.
    Ever desireless, one can see the mystery.
    Ever desiring, one can see the manifestations.
    These two spring from the same source but differ in name; this appears as darkness.
    Darkness within darkness.
    The gate to all mystery.

    Tao Te Ching & Tai Chi Chuan & Dim Mak
    This is a Phoenix-thread from the old site, and I move threads/posts that weren't possible to be moved in their creators name!

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    The Golden Elixir website contains materials on Taoism and Taoist alchemy, including essays, selections from original texts, illustrations, and a choice of entries from The Encyclopedia of Taoism.
    Donít let the delusion of reality confuse you regarding the reality of the illusion.

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    While this is a pheonix thread, I still feel I should comment. Every path walked is a different path, very few paths are direct. Many times corresponding multiple paths and "understandings" allow "actual wisdom" to be attained much more quickly and efficiently than if one only walked the direct path.

    In Light.

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    Hui Ming Jing translated text.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avaar186 View Post
    Hui Ming Jing translated text.
    Is this a statement? A question? An inquiry? A search tip?

    (It's not a link, so I'm just asking/wondering)

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    US. Missouri.
    Google it!!

    Lol. It is a text. Talking of samadhi and the sacred art of physiological transformation.

    India has samadhi down to a science.

    Chinese literature speaks in depth of physiological practise. It has great accuracy in explanation.
    yet. I have not seen a practical method expounded upon.

    The xing.wind.spirit of breath. This I have complete understanding of.
    But how to properly work with Ming. To reverse the apana/flow of the kidneys. That is the secret untold.

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    Yogic philosophy and Chinese alchemy are the same.
    the Tao is to samadhi.
    and kundalini is to reversing the flow of Ming by using xing.
    IE reversing the kidney/bladder channel using breath.

    Now I know the kidney thing sounds fancy. Its not. The only way to know the flow is reversing. Is it becomes slightly hard to urinate with gained bladder control. Lust dissapeares. And in extreme the genitals become cold to the touch.

    Ejaculation causes this condition to vanish. Thus "kundalini" is a condition that can be streangthend.

    Anyway. Do enough research you shall see.
    To simply state. Kundalini is reversal of apana.current.
    it is the urinary apana that is reversed. Simply as that. Hence the dangerous creation of vajroli mustang.
    obviously someone understood what needed to be done. But didn't know how to do it. Lol.

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    Stumbled upon this accidentally, and thought some of you might find this interesting:

    Let us take as an example Chinese ginseng, also known as Ren Shen,

    When one is preparing to make a tincture with a chinese herb it very
    helpfull to review existing litterature on that particular herb such
    as phytochemicals in this particular plant. You can find this in
    Bensky, In the case of renshen one fids references in chinese
    medicinal wine and liquor books that mention using spirits or white
    alcohol (50 to 70 % alcohol) in proportions varying from 1:3 to 1:10.

    So in practice, this would mean putting 50 grams of renshen in 150 ml
    of 65 % alcohol and leave it in a warm place for about 3 weeks to 3
    months. This way you will get about 70 % of the good stuff from the

    Or, of course, one could use a process of percolation.

    So what about the rest ?

    If you do not have a lab, here is how they would proceed in China.
    Decant your tincture off the mark. Take the mark, add 150 ml of fresh
    menstrum and go outside your home find a heat source and
    until the the volume is reduced by half. Let it cool, add 75 ml of
    alcohol, stir and decant. Taste the mark; if there a strong taste,
    repeat the procedure exept that after the second simmering, use the
    luid you decanted at the end of the first. Just our you previously
    prepared tincture or fluid extract to the decanted decoction, mix
    and voila ! there is your tincture.

    If you have a lab, take your mark, wrap it in cheesecloth and put it in a flask with a wide neck. Add a sufficient amount of 50% alcohol menstruum and the appropriate condenser. circulate in balneum for 1 to 2 hours.
    Take the contents of the flask after a couple of hours. Add a helmet and evaporate in
    balneum at 60 C. The alcohol and water will evaporate, leaving
    phytochemicals. Just our you previously prepared
    tincture or fluid extract on the ginseng phytochemicals and
    mix well and voila ! there is your tincture.

    Addendum: I just ready more into that thread. The author of the text I quoted shares many little bits of other interesting info in general, and says he knew Manfred Junius personally. Sounds interesting.
    Last edited by Ezalor; 11-26-2012 at 08:18 AM.
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    I'm not well-versed in Chinese Alchemy at all. There's sure to be some learning from any descriptive texts however. I read into the source you provided, Ezalor. Looks promising! Thanks.

    Let me know if you attempt following it?

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    Luo Bou Ma

    I did a bit of research on the above mentioned term. The writer of the source you posted Ezalor keeps mentioning it.

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