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    The Separator

    About and from Codex Lugubrum (printed in 1535)
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    Note: According to the correction made by Teofrast40, the actual title of the book is:

    D. Hilarii Pictauorum episcopi Lucubrationes quotquot extant : olim per Des. Erasmum Roterod. haud mediocribus sudoribus emendateanno 1570
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    In this book, a new character appears. A character that is merely mentioned in only few old books. This character is called The Separator.
    It is said that when God ordered there to be Light from the Darkness, between the absolute darkness and absolute light there is a border. Like a border between countries. A 'No Man’s Land'.

    This Separator is an entity, is a character, that appears only in few works over the globe. Mostly in 11th and 12th century manuscripts.
    The people who wrote about him in their works were so haunted that they changed his name from The Separator to Anonymous.

    Here is a story of a Knight, actually an Assassin (around the 12th century) who was paid by diverse kings and aristocrats to kill their enemies.
    The Knight was known to be one of the best professionals of that epoch, he never failed and he killed anyone, anytime, anywhere - no matter how important the target was.
    King if you were, if he got the command - you were already as good as dead. He, however, did not pick his victims - he only picked the sum of money.
    He killed princes, duchesses, kings, heavy politicians and also big church figures.

    This mercenary has a revelation around the age of 50. At that time there weren’t many who lived up to that age. He realizes that one of the kings he had killed was a good man who was protecting his people and land.
    He changes his mentality completely. He starts to take revenge on all those who ordered him murders. One by one he starts to kill them. He wants to start doing ‘good’.

    As he kills them, he realizes that a very important character for the killer commanders was an old priest who was kept somewhere in the depths of the earth, in a prison full of water and rats;
    A kind of a monk with white beard, long hair, who had some theories which were inconvenient to some sections of the zone of those who ordered the crimes.
    Knowing that the monk hasn’t got much time to live and that the next day he will be caught and killed, he doesn’t have time to make a plan how he used to.

    He was a great name in that period. He was called Amantes and it was said he was of noble origin.

    Anyway... he rescues the priest in the night and takes the old man out of the prison... The old man is hurt, full of diseases, bitten by rats... but he will survive.
    But the fact that he will have to carry him on his back and pass the whole stronghold doesn’t assure him that perfection of moving like he was used to.

    He was hurt two times but the wounds were not deadly but being forced to carry the old man, he realized that the loss of blood will eventually cause his death. With no village around, he stops in a forest.
    The priest blesses him and the Knight responds to him that he doesn’t believe in any god. He says goodbye to the priest and tells him to leave him to die alone in the shadow of a tree. He stays there and waits to die.

    It is said that when the priest left, a hole opened in the ground and a very strong demon appeared (some say Lilith). The demon came to take the Knight to Hell.
    They even have a discussion, in which the demon tells him she came personally to collect him, being sent by Satan to take him with honors because he committed so much evil.

    After that, the Knight tells the demon that he will also kill all the demons in Hell and that he will rule over Hell. During this exchange of words, an angel of light appears (probably Anael).
    The angel says that the Knight belongs to God, because he did so much good in the last years that he exceeded the evil he made and that God had forgiven him and wanted him in Heaven.
    Then, the demon and the angel pull out their swords to fight over him. In that moment, suddenly there appears a character which the angels knew of, but had never seen him.

    According to the book, only two entities saw him: God and Lucifer. They had seen Him only once in their whole existence…
    It was The SeparatorAnonymous, who is that famous character with a hood.

    Behind his eyes there is nothing. He’s got a cloak, bound at the middle with a rope... his arms and feet can’t be seen.

    Tolkien was inspired by this character when making The Lord Of The Rings (The Nazgul).
    Also in Harry Potter, the Dementors are an illustration of this Separator.

    The Separator makes a single gesture and the two angels freeze; then he tells them that they’re both wrong, that the Knight had done something that never happened in the Universe.
    He had done good and evil in equal measure. And that because in this case there is a balance, none of them will have him.

    The two angels disappear because the power of The Separator is Absolute.

    He tells the Knight that he can rise up, because he doesn't have a wound anymore. The Knight rises and The Separator gives him one single message:

    “You will live as long as you want. If you do 'evil', it's OK because it will be balanced by the universal power, because others will be born to do good. If you will do 'good', it still doesn’t matter.
    There will be others who will do 'evil'. Do 'good', do 'evil', you don’t matter anymore, you no longer exist for this Universe. Live on Earth as much as you want, until humanity will disappear.
    You can transmute instantly anywhere you want with the power of your mind: on the Sun, on Stars, on other planets, in other universes, anywhere you want.
    When you will get tired of this, call me and I will explain to you what is our purpose.”

    The Separator made himself unseen, and according to legend, the Knight still lives today among us.
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    Last edited by Andro; 02-12-2012 at 04:46 AM.

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    Timely/wyrd for me to read this post as the subject of “balance” has come to the forefront for me the last 4 days or so. It was probably triggered by reading articles on the Eductive Future Group site, such as the two linked below [and a number of others in the “Archives” section]:

    http://eductivefuturegroup.com/desig...al-dimensions/

    http://eductivefuturegroup.com/what-...llusion-about/

    [I’m neither particularly endorsing the site nor inferring that the author’s concepts of “balance” are particularly akin to your own - just including the links because an idea or two therein might be useful to someone.]

    Since then, something about the nature of balance has been cycling into my awareness as a current theme of sorts. Just a few hours ago [about an hour before you submitted your post] I was feeling, for lack of a better phrase, a sort of identification with the edge between the two “halves” of the Yin/Yang symbol - which really isn’t anything at all - so it wasn’t a reification of identification with an image or shape as such.

    Sorry, this is vague. I’ve only slept 2 hours in the last 53 and so I’m in a “between” state in more ways than one. I just wanted to leave this note while it is fresh in my mind. Later, I’ll attempt to better comprehend your post on its own terms.

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    The Great State of In-Between is a Great State to Live In (Between)
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    In the above commentaries from that rare book, it is worth focusing on the 'Separator' character. The Separator is also mentioned by some Alchemical writers, the 'True Mason' included...

    He is wearing a cloak, nothing behind his eyes, no visible body parts.

    A cloak which makes him invisible to the Universe itself (like our main hero/assassin also becomes), not to mention invisible to Death as well.

    Note that, in a sense, we have a similar 'Cloak' effect during Lunar Eclipses (Spring and Autumn) and also during 'regular' Full Moons, to some extent.

    It is also worth focusing on our Hero/Assassin, who is in fact Our Alchemist, having gone to the extremes of Darkness and Light, ending up liberated from all fear, resting under a tree and awaiting his death, while the forces of duality battle with each other for 'ownership' of his Soul - when the Most Powerful Middle Path of the truly Omnipotent Separator is revealed to him in an almost Cyliani-style 'dream sequence'.

    And BTW, I could have posted the above book commentary in the Practical Alchemy section just as well...
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    Last edited by Andro; 02-02-2011 at 12:12 PM.

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    hi androgynous,
    please believe me when I say I don't want to offend you, but I have the suspect this text to be a false.
    a quick scan on worldcat reveals nothing (and if it has been printed it should be there).
    the more, the person who wrote it seems to ignore latin: the name of the character is a strange mix of an italian definite article (the) with a wrong latin term (separatio means separation, while separator would be, just like in english, separator).
    probably this won't upset you, as I often red from you citations of tv series/hollywood movies as alchemical sources (again, no disrespect in this: everyone is free to find inspiration wherever he wants), but I would not consider it to be part of the alchemical corpus.
    with humility
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    Quote Originally Posted by teofrast40 View Post
    Please believe me when I say I don't want to offend you, but I have the suspect this text to be a false.
    A quick scan on worldcat reveals nothing (and if it has been printed it should be there). The more, the person who wrote it seems to ignore latin: the name of the character is a strange mix of an italian definite article (the) with a wrong latin term (separatio means separation, while separator would be, just like in english, separator). Probably this won't upset you, as I often red from you citations of tv series/hollywood movies as alchemical sources (again, no disrespect in this: everyone is free to find inspiration wherever he wants), but I would not consider it to be part of the alchemical corpus.
    Please just look at the content. The rest I find completely irrelevant.

    Is your every day life experience part of the 'officially' sanctioned 'alchemical corpus'? Or a great song? Or a broken heart?

    Who is Death, and who is its approved publisher?
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    The claimed owner of the book is a passionate and well connected collector of extremely rare items. He is also not a native English or Latin speaker. The first post is his commentary, by the way.

    Is this particular item 'genuine'? I don't know.

    Do I care if it's 'genuine'? You know the answer.

    And it is (for me) very much in line with the 'alchemical corpus' more than oh-so-many other 'genuine' publications I have read over the years.

    It is like someone once said to me (on this forum) that my words mean less to him than the words of some grand master of some known order.

    And I am not in the least offended or upset

    I posted this on a public forum, and it is only natural to receive all sorts of comments.

    But - I sincerely suggest to read the text carefully insted on focusing on the surrounding technicalities.

    If you can't find the text in your searches, you can simply treat it as "The Text That Appeared On Alchemy Forums Out Of Nowhere", and use your own discerment to see if it rings a bell (or two) inside you.
    This has always been my M.O. - and so far, it has served me extremely well

    All this 'alchemical corpus' and 'source material' dogma will likely keep aspiring alchemists imprisoned in a relatively narrow world view, IMO.

    The Whole World, great and small alike, is the 'Alchemical Corpus' in the eyes of the Philosopher.

    And there is only ONE 'Source Material'.

    And we're ALL made of it

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    I expected a reply of this kind.
    I am not interested in starting a disputation with you on that matter. so please consider the following for what it is: just a personal opinion.
    Of course I red the content. To me it could be a good plot for the next ps3 blockbuster.
    I'm afraid no bells ringin' down here
    Instead I hear bells and whistles when I read cosmopolite, limojon and many others from the alchemical corpus.
    you are free to consider this as dogmatism, as I am free to consider the most of contemporary alchemy as deliriousness and ignorance of the sources

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    Hi Teo,

    Of course we are entitled to our own opinions and interpretations. No quarrel at all - it's the way of things!

    But if you wish to take the route of the 'alchemical corpus', as you call it - let us not forget that the Separator Archetype goes back to the Emerald Tablet, and is further mentioned by various other authors, like for example the author of 'Compass of the Wise'. And I personally find the original thread-starting text to be highly illuminating regarding the Separator's archetypal qualities. And being a potential blockbuster does not at all need to conflict with the alchemical qualities of the material.

    What makes a text 'orthodox'? What makes it Alchemical? The claimed date of publishing? The claimed Author? The cultural or traditional view of what it should be? The fact that it got more publicity than others, more obscure?
    Whether it does or does not mention the traditional keywords, such as stone, tincture, mercury, elixir, sun/moon, etc?

    Or is it the text's ability to convey to the analogical mind the roots and archetypal qualities of Creation?

    Or, taking another angle: Would you consider fairytales such as coming from Grimm and Andersen to be outside the alchemical corpus? What about Caroll and Swift?

    I fully agree that a text may resonate with some more than with others. A simple matter of compatibility and diversity

    On the other hand, I'm sure Constantine was very decisive as to what counts as 'true corpus' (in his own cultural/temporal/political vision) when he edited out/blacklisted the more alchemical gospels.
    These are still considered non-corpus for the majority of christians, up to this day.

    In the end, I believe it's not really a question of what is in accordance with Source Material or Alchemical Corpus, but rather of what truly, really works for you.

    And usually, we tend to post on these forums what works for us - mentally, emotionally, spiritually or physically in the lab.

    And this is what I did. I posted what works for me. MY OWN CORPUS. No more, no less.

    And by the way, contemporary true Alchemy is very much alive - just not in bookstores or on publicly accessible Internet forums. FYI.

    And no quarrel at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    Hi Teo,

    Of course we are entitled to our own opinions and interpretations. No quarrel at all - it's the way of things!

    But if you wish to take the route of the 'alchemical corpus', as you call it - let us not forget that the Separator Archetype goes back to the Emerald Tablet, and is further mentioned by various other authors, like for example the author of 'Compass of the Wise'. And I personally find the original thread-starting text to be highly illuminating regarding the Separator's archetypal qualities. And being a potential blockbuster does not at all need to conflict with the alchemical qualities of the material.
    Funny you should mention this, I was just rereading this section of Compass today. Boehme, who they were quoting, was a great author and while I don't claim to fully understand him by any stretch of the imagination, his explanation is very much on the mark. Definitely a text I'd recommend others reading.

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    Here are some video captures I managed to take of the mentioned book, as it is held and presented by the owner/collector:




















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    Quote Originally Posted by vega33 View Post
    I was just rereading this section of Compass today.
    Both 'Compass of the Wise' and the book I brought up in this thread, for some reason mention Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus (October 28, 1466 July 12, 1536).

    Vega, do you by any chance posses a copy of 'Compass of the Wise' in German, but printed with Latin letters (as opposed to the old German Script PDF version which I have) ?

    I am a German speaker, but the old 'Deutsche Schrift' is giving me a really hard time...

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