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    The Art is so delicate. Writers make it seem simple if you understand the code, like you just cook the matter, which you do, but you easily forget cooking involves industry, you put things in, take them out, remove excess. Exact quantites.
    Example, You remove the phelgm so that the gumm drinks its own water, the one thats holding it together. But you get the impression you seal it and don't unseal through all of the work.
    It makes me wonder how many "alchemists" knew this Art.

    And I read your post as if it were talking about the human organism itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibric View Post
    you get the impression you seal it and don't unseal through all of the work.
    That's why authors such as those in the ICH/Cyliani/Recreations lineage are so good. Multiple openings, closings, separations, imbibitions, all described quite clearly.

    A "Perfect" Matter Host is eventually arrived at. Slow and gradual preparation, rectification and exaltation. The "perfect" meal takes time and mastery to prepare...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibric View Post
    And I read your post as if it were talking about the human organism itself.
    That's the ultimate goal in some lineages... Alchemy is just a "Catalyst" and/or a "Mirror" of one's internal refinement/rectification.
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    Finally, we could say that the "Super-Magnet of the Sages" and the "Fully Baked Philosopher's Stone" are essentially one and the same Entity.

    The level of "purity" of "Incorporated Spiritus Mundi" is ultimately decided by the level of inner structural Perfection, Coherence and Unity of the Host Matter.

    There's so much more to it, but words are failing me at this point...

    Note & Disclaimer: All of the above is presented for contemplation purposes and is in no way to be regarded as any sort of "absolute truth".
    Hey Andro,

    I just wanted to say as one who does read probably 90+ % of the daily posts on here that I find you do a very good job of sorting your understandings and/or contemplation's into words for us to marinate upon. I appreciate yours as well as any other posters input here for giving something to stew upon. I also feel that at this point in this website the amount of content is overwhelming and the generosity of members leaving breadcrumbs is also very great in my opinion. I have recently refrained from jumping into the sharing space too much as I honestly have not felt that anything that I would write would bring us any closer and more specifically I mean that my own understanding is not refined and fixed enough to be converted into dialogue that would bring any additional clarity above what has already been offered.

    So to those with more alchemical discovery under their belt, and perhaps a better developed aspect of written expression, or simply more energy to put forth to others I thank you and there are many of you here.

    There is a web of interwoven aha's that I have had which makes me feel that at this point although there is much to discover I have been given a solid foundation thanks to this website its members and ultimately the SM that flows here.

    Cheers and great posts the last few weeks Sir.

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    J, thank you for the kind words. Much appreciated!

    I was fortunate enough to make some very interesting discoveries in my lab work & internal work over the years, as well as meet in person with several brilliant alchemists from all over the world, and also have powerful exchanges with students and practitioners of "High Magick" and other "systems" geared towards Liberation, of which Alchemy is the "Great Mirror" in the Realm of Matter.
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    precious fountain flow from the foot of this flourishing rose tree [or rose-garden for the original signifies either] from which only the philosophers have the good fortune to drain this celestial liquor.
    [but] it is a compacted Air, from which not only all the metals (note this well) but also all the mercuries of the metals are engendered
    Does blacknesss mean black?" Anything compounded with moisture is black?"
    Does blue mean blue? Or a cold fire that fixes. Like gumm fixes with no external fire.
    Does yellow mean yellow? Or not properly conjoined?
    Green mean green? Or humidity?

    The interior of the earth is humidity? Visit humidity?

    Common colors.
    When its compounded with water its black, when its fixed through internal heat its blue, a cold fire, when its humid and aerial its green, when its fixed through dryness its white then red.

    Its an easy trap, to look for colors. You can find them in nearly every substance. How far does this deception go? Why did you trust that blue meant blue and green meant green?

    An obvious point but how many are still looking for blackness to appear or whiteness in vessels?
    Like actual colors show up?

    The colors are decknames.
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    First, some general comments:

    What we refer to as "SM" or "Spiritus Mundi" is everywhere, and everything is formed from it.

    What we are looking for is this Spirit embodied in an ideally very thin/subtle material "carrier" or "envelope", so it can maintain and express its potency or Agency (i.e. the "active" quality).

    When it's too fixed/imprisoned via a "thick" material embodiment, it is quite useless as an Alchemical Agent, unless it is first Awakened by its own Active Agency, or at least by a chemical/chymical proxy thereof.

    We must therefore seek a plentiful Source AND a very subtle Material Envelope to embody it in, so it can serve as a potent Agency.

    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post
    It sounds like you are still under the impression that you can collect SM from the night air or a local river etc, etc.
    Practical experimentation has shown that common air (atmospheric gases) is indeed a Plentiful Source AND a Suitably Subtle Envelope.

    Additionally, any "living" water source (dew, rain, rivers, etc.) as well as any other "living" material source (including minerals) can give us a universal and relatively undetermined "Patient" or “Center" or "Prima Materia" or "Magnesia" or "Saturn" or "Antimony", wherein the active & volatile "seeds" can be “sown” and from where the Principles can be subsequently vivified, extracted, purified, exalted and eventually alchemically united. Most living material sources can also give us a readily available Agent fraction, but in lesser quantity and potency. So we have to "tip the scales of Nature" in our favor, to work with more agent and less patient, which is quite the opposite of how nature generally operates.

    Any good Air can and will provide us with a most excellent quality Spirit Agent. In fact, it can also provide us with the "Saturneous Earth", eventually.

    Dry air is the best, as aerial humidity % (water vapor) has been experimentally found to be inversely proportional to potency (i.e. expression of Agency). So we can either operate with desert air OR "dry" it artificially. The latter is likely the case for most practitioners.

    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post
    If you read the old Master Alchemists books they make it quite clear that if you are wanting to pursue the Great Work then you will have to acquire your SM from the mineral/metallic realm.
    This is a way, not the way. Also, this approach requires a chemical/chymical Medium for activation, extraction and transference of Agency by means of common distillation, which I'm personally not a fan of. But do whatever sinks your boat
    J

    Also, regarding the Mineral Kingdom, a case has been made for minerals "accumulating" Spiritus for countless years/centuries/millennia. This is not incorrect, but nature FIXES (most of) this Spirit and "puts it to sleep", or places it in “patient mode”. And just like "Sleeping Beauty", it requires a "kiss" from "Prince Charming" to "wake it up" and render it "active" again. This "Prince Charming" can be (for example) a chemical/chymical Medium, such as an "Acid Principle" menstruum or any other type of adequate surrogate proxy.

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    Only this way can you have sufficient quantity and quality.
    Comparative experimentation does not support this "only" model.

    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post
    If you are working the Agent and Patient path then the SM that you are using must be of a strong enough QUALITY to do what is required of it.
    ALL paths involve interplay on an Agent & Patient Axis/Continuum. There's just no way around it. Even if there is no apparent "patient" initially, it WILL manifest eventually, beyond a certain threshold of "agitation". I didn't make the rules of how nature operates in duality.

    The "Confession of Trithemius" gives us some truly extraordinary Keys to avoid unnecessary complications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    The "Confession of Trithemius" gives us some truly extraordinary Keys to avoid unnecessary complications.
    For reference, HERE is the full text of Trithemius.
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    I am aware of of the ideas presented in this thread about Spiritus Mundi but i wanna point out that sometimes modern alchemist see what they want to see in the old texts.

    On the very first page of Trithemius text which Andro provided the meaning is very clear and obvious to every christian familiar with he Sacred Heart of Jesus. Trithemius was also a christian abbot. Abbot is an ecclesiastical title given to the male head of a monastery in various Western religious traditions, including Christianity.

    Let's look at the Keywords:







    God had also appeared as the burning bush to Moses so let's not beat around the bush anymore and and let's get straight to the point! Alchemical fire is God itself which will calcine our matter like a burnt offering of ancient priests. It enters the hearts of christians through baptism and this flame also resides in certain stones hidden in the rosary. This stones were also called "fire stone" by Basil Valentine and it is his Antimony but it has nothing to do with element from periodic table called Antimony!
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    Quote Originally Posted by True Initiate View Post
    This stones were also called "fire stone" by Basil Valentine and it is his Antimony but it has nothing to do with element from periodic table called Antimony!
    Sparking Stones? Such as Quartz?

    Also, let's not forget the second part of Trithemius' text, which is far more (sort of) "practical" in nature. It talks about Fire -> Air -> Water -> Earth -> Fire
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